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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
February 07 2018 00:41 GMT
#441
Did I join a themed game or wtf? I'm just a boat man.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
February 07 2018 00:42 GMT
#442
On February 02 2018 00:35 Skynx wrote:
Slacking hard, I'll post my normal mini in an hour or so

Edit: [M][N] Vendée Globe 16' Mafia is open for signups!


No, it's normal.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
February 07 2018 00:42 GMT
#443
Literally says normal in the thread title. Maybe should have read that.
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
February 07 2018 00:43 GMT
#444
oh wow....that's why you think rels is town....if that is the read you're making, isn't that against the rules?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
February 07 2018 00:45 GMT
#445
What?
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
February 07 2018 00:49 GMT
#446
i believe df is using the nationality ascribed to his role and rels post to get a read.....altho i really don't think i should be posting about it cuz it feels icky.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
February 07 2018 00:58 GMT
#447
I'm not French so it means nothing. They're just random names from the actual event likely with a random role/alignment.
Conversion
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3308 Posts
February 07 2018 01:16 GMT
#448
I feel like a ton of people in a French boat race will be French but who knows.

I’m surprised rsoultin hasn’t visited the thread at all.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 07 2018 01:29 GMT
#449
On February 07 2018 09:42 Holyflare wrote:
Literally says normal in the thread title. Maybe should have read that.
LOL.. didnt realise that either.

##Disarm: rsoultin

lololol
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 07 2018 01:32 GMT
#450
On February 07 2018 09:30 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2018 09:26 Mocsta wrote:
On February 07 2018 08:59 darthfoley wrote:
On February 07 2018 08:54 Mocsta wrote:
On February 07 2018 08:49 darthfoley wrote:
On February 07 2018 08:36 Mocsta wrote:
Minor stream of consciousness incoming.

I am in the process of re-evaluating where my Day1 vote should go.

Maintaining on rsoultin pros:
1 - I expected her to brush off the case - but attempt to discern my motive further. Instead, IIRC she called me scum and then town for an absolutely stupid reaction test reason.
2 - The wagon hasnt picked up that much traction - which is a good Day1 heuristic to me. Mafia try to resist unfavourable wagons. At this point, Conversion is not a wagon.

Maintaining rsoultin cons:
1 - Ironically, that people are starting to see her as scum (for the same fucking reasons I posted). This makes me twitchy.
2 - I do need to give more credit that early game it is hard to work with people to illuminate reads. That component of my case should be reconsidered.

Some short thoughts on people with ritoky scale
Damdred: -5. I am considering him the best Day1 lynch option.
mderg: -2. subject to a meta dive. I never thought he was sitting in the background being a sheep last game. I dont have that vibe association with him this game.
df: +1 on ritoky scale (and continuing to drop as he continues his rigid thinking)
rsoultin: need to re-read game to confirm position.
conversion: I do see a general lack of care, but i dont see it mafia focused either - and nothing to do with rsoultin. I just dont think mafia would be so blatant about glossing over filters etc.. I am really inclined to default to SK.

other people I dont have a direct concern about at this point.


So you're now saying that "1 post" Damdred is the best lynch option after going after rsoultin hardcore all day phase? Now that reminds me of Mocsta vs. darthfoley last game
Again. why jump to worst-conclusions.
Im saying im considering it because I dont like people are joining me on rsoultin for my reasons - but treating it as their own.
The fact that multiple people are doing it, is the only thing that makes me comfortable (as in it indicates i communicated very poorly, vs. malicious intent).

Pray tell me though.
Do you see anything towny about damdred so far?
Flu or not.
Very delayed response that says extermely little. Even his first post last game was better.


I'm not jumping to worst conclusions. I just don't see why you decide Damdred is the best lynch, but Rels, for example, isn't. Or prplhz or Mderg.

Do you see anything town about Rels so far? Damdred was lynchbait last game and I haven't seen anything incriminating from him.

Regarding the bold. I'm not sure I understand... you're paranoid that other people are joining you on rsoultin but trying to claim credit for your reasoning. So...

1) When rsoultin flips mafia, you don't look as good?
2) When rsoultin flips town... they look worse?

I don't understand the motivation for mafia to join a wagon on town!rsoultin but try to steal the credit for the mislynch. Why make themselves look worse when they could just take the easy route and blame you?
I didnt even know Rels was in this game lol.

DF is really salty, and I was treating that as enjoying spotlight, but perhaps is just bitter prick about being scum twice in a row.

You are continuing to misconstrue everything I say. I havent decided Damdred is the best lynch.

hmmmm, im starting to see rsoultin/damdred/df team with conversion as SK.


I mean you literally write you are considering Damdred the best day 1 lynch. What I think you meant is you are considering whether he is the best day one lynch.
Yes, insert "whether"
To me, both are the same; i.e. I havent drawn a definitive conclusion.

Anyways, going to ignore the now, and focus on a 3rd person re-read.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 07 2018 02:25 GMT
#451
DF:
I'm not jumping to worst conclusions. I just don't see why you decide Damdred is the best lynch, but Rels, for example, isn't. Or prplhz or Mderg.

Do you see anything town about Rels so far? Damdred was lynchbait last game and I haven't seen anything incriminating from him.
I am curious why you lump (Damdred, prplhz, Rels, mderg) together, presumably as a log of 1-posters.

mderg doesnt belong in this category.
Rels doesnt belong in this category. His post is completely NAI, and any proposed lynch this way is a veiled policy lynch.
prplhz is playing within my expectation for either alignment.
Damdred remains by default.

DF:
Regarding the bold. I'm not sure I understand... you're paranoid that other people are joining you on rsoultin but trying to claim credit for your reasoning. So...

1) When rsoultin flips mafia, you don't look as good?
2) When rsoultin flips town... they look worse?

I don't understand the motivation for mafia to join a wagon on town!rsoultin but try to steal the credit for the mislynch. Why make themselves look worse when they could just take the easy route and blame you?
I don't care whom claims credit, I more care the points are a direct re-hash.

I dont agree with your dichotomy.
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
February 07 2018 02:35 GMT
#452
On February 07 2018 08:32 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2018 08:28 Koshi wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/528031-heroes-of-the-storm-mafia
Didn't play in it

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/525420-ms-paint-off-mafia
Was judge. Dnu how hard I scumread you but at worst I nominated you.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/522886-newbie-student-mafia-xxvi
didn't play init

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/519746-generic-mini-mafia
I was mafia in it. You were 15 times in my filter. 0 times I called you mafia.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/518289-im-a-cop-you-idiot-mafia-towns-revenge
didn't play init

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/514644-dota-2-mafia
I was mafia in this game. Not going to open my filter cuz I cba what I said when I was mafia at this point.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/512552-palmars-purge-crisis-and-turmoil-in-liquidia
I was mafia in this game. Not going to open my filter cuz I cba what I said when I was mafia at this point.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/509406-h-o-l-y-f-e-mafia
On May 25 2016 06:21 Koshi wrote:
damn so many posts. HF might have made some sense. I stopped reading JAT his posts. Too boring. Really. Insane how boring.

I think ritoky is town so I'll entertain his TW read. I am pretty sure ritoky is town btw.

Superbia I'll read later, around D3. I am skipping his posts as well. There is such a big difference in his posting town vs mafia it isn't even funny. And he is posting stuff.

On May 25 2016 06:29 Koshi wrote:
So I am rolling with
Kush town (never lynch till at least everybody made a clearly town post)
ritoky town
superbia 100% town
ls townish
hf made some sense and did really retarded shit which he does more as town than mafia

Damdred extremely bad or mafia.

Palmar afk
marv afk
Rels afk

JAT superduper boring


others are meh. I don't know about Tumble. Ritoky might have made a point but on the other hand... I can see him be mafia though. But I wouldn't lynch him D1. Cuz he did make a post that made way more sense if he is town over mafia.

On May 25 2016 20:47 Koshi wrote:
On May 25 2016 20:44 Rels wrote:
On May 25 2016 20:37 Koshi wrote:
On May 25 2016 20:23 Rels wrote:
On May 25 2016 06:29 Koshi wrote:
So I am rolling with
Kush town (never lynch till at least everybody made a clearly town post)

Why ?
On May 25 2016 06:29 Koshi wrote:
ritoky town

Why ?
On May 25 2016 06:29 Koshi wrote:
Damdred extremely bad or mafia.

Why ?

1) he said that marv was probably the best lynch. probably being the key word.

2) effort and then more effort when that is obviously not required. + his posts are pretty good, he is just imho wrong on TW. But his posts are quite obviously written by a townie.

3) not answering this one because you clearly didn't bother to read his filter. fuck off.

I have 0 read on kush so I won't fight this.

I disagree with the ritoky's read, he has put himself in a position where he does not need to do anything apart from responding to people. When someone types a code he responds to it. He didn't do anything that wasn't required. I agree his posts are good, he has good points on Tumble, he has good points on Superbia but the conclusion is stupid given his points, his post on SL is kinda useless.

I just read the whole game, it's true he didn't do much recently but the first impression was super good. I understood every thoughts of him and I agreed with his lynch list at the time it was posted.

ritoky obvious town. pls.

On May 25 2016 20:49 Koshi wrote:
1. Holyflare obvious town
2. Damdred obvious trash
3. ritoky obvious town
4. Rels nullish town
5. LightningStrike pretty town
7. Palmar anti town trash
8. marvellosity afk
9. justanothertownie boring turtle
10. sicklucker obvious town
11. Superbia wounded animal
12. Tumblewood obvious town
13. nnn_thekushmountains nullish town

On May 25 2016 22:04 Koshi wrote:
On May 25 2016 22:00 Tumblewood wrote:
Koshi why is rit town

Cuz I can see a town write the words he wrote. If a townie writes a case on a townie it will be false, but it is still a townie who wrote it.

AND THE KICKER IS

YOU WERE MAFIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Eventually I figured it out though:
On May 26 2016 08:26 Koshi wrote:
ritoky broke his gameplan to defend HF which he had no business to defend. Proof? The reason he used. Nothing in the thread indicated fear lynching. Both marv and Palmar had reasoning and some other guy as well. And JAT and myself lynched HF for the retarded piece of shit selfvote.

While his push on Rels wasn't horrible when I read it, and it kinda was a very long shot for an attempt to save a scumbuddy, the fact he ended up on HF is ridiculous. Why would he end up on HF and not just stick on his Rels read? There was no reason for him to eventually end up on HF. Nothing. Nada.

I will reread ritoky and his case on Rels and other cases but in this moment I am 100% sure he is mafia. And I am so sure I am sure I will not change my point of view bar some really really really damning evidence on somebody else.


HF was also mafia. And I was shot N1. Goddamn I was good in 2017





These were all your games for 18 months. Went back to May 2016 and your filter doesn't go more back.
So I really don't know why you are such a whiny bitch atm.
I didn't scumread you in 1.5 years.


I don't think mafia!Koshi goes through all this effort

It's more like proving someone wrong than anything else which is something Koshi loves. Doesn't point either way for me.
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
February 07 2018 02:35 GMT
#453
On February 07 2018 09:35 Holyflare wrote:
Has anyone in this game thrown out rsoultin being town other than koshi?

Hey, I did!
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 07 2018 02:45 GMT
#454
On February 06 2018 23:13 prplhz wrote:
I town read ritoky because our reads sort of overlap as well as their timing.

I don't like Trfel but I guess I'm the only one. His play seems kind of sideliney and too cautious, everybody agreeing with him seems to calm him down rather than fire him up.

Show nested quote +
On February 06 2018 12:46 Trfel wrote:
Ritoky, may I ask why you're so confident in Holyflare being town?

I'm pretty sure I see what you're getting at but Holflare tends to destroy hopes and dreams as mafia, I'm just curious as to how you're so confident so quickly.

Also, how serious is your read on Koshi?

I also don't like this question about Koshi because ritoky's read on Koshi was obviously based one just one single post with no real content, of course it wasn't serious or anything.

Not reading too much into the rsoultin/raynpelikoneet thing. For now they're both town.
so ritoky is town because he shares similar reads and timing; but trfel you dont like?

Did you know trfel indicated ritoky is town because they also shared similar reads at similar points in time?

It appears you are aware of this because you add the tidbit about trfel should be firing up.

I would like to know what about trfel indicates he should fire up - because everything you are stating indicates trfel/ritoky should both be town.



Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 07 2018 02:53 GMT
#455
trfel
Why did you vote rsoultin?

You were leaning town yesterday?
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 07 2018 02:54 GMT
#456
On February 07 2018 07:42 Trfel wrote:
Could lynch rsoultin, darthfoley, maybe Koshi. Darthfoley has been extremely underwhelming but I don't think that makes him mafia; more concerned that he is suspicious and willing to lynch a ton of people and it doesn't look like he's thinking about it at all.

With Koshi, I don't like how he's voting for mderg but hasn't said any reason why. He did however say why he doesn't like prplhz (which pending explanation I don't think was a good reason). If he wants to lynch mderg, why wouldn't he explain why? Or if he is suspicious enough of prplhz to explain it, why doesn't he vote for him?

In addition, he went from leaning town to green, bold town on rsoultin for seemingly no reason. The reasons he gave to fully townread rsoultin were present from the very start of the game, when Koshi left rsoultin out of his first set of townreads and only later made her even a town lean. Rsoultin didn't say much at all in between these posts, certainly little to warrant a read switch like that.

But I know that it's Koshi. What do others think about him?
Like.. what you are slamming Koshi for, is just as applicable to you..
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 07 2018 04:52 GMT
#457
On February 07 2018 09:31 Holyflare wrote:
Also I'm officially at peak this wagon is going too fast levels.
Nothing from rsoultin, no one really pushing anything else...

@Mocsta, I was slightly town on rsoultin, as seen here. I was convinced by Conversion's reasoning, what he said made a lot of sense to me. Koshi posted his new read change with old reasoning from the start of the game. To me that's suspicious. You can think of me what you want, I'm just curious what you think of Koshi.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 07 2018 05:04 GMT
#458
On February 06 2018 15:00 Conversion wrote:
Right, but making arguments such as "Conversion is trying to get others to vote for rsoultin," and then quoting something that isn't clearly me trying to get others to pile on to rsoultin is just that. I'm not mad or frustrated, I just don't get why it goes from good point about something -> far fetched argument, saying I'm inconsistent in saying that I wasn't trying to get others to vote rsoultin when I really wasn't.

I'm going to get some sleep anyways. I want to see what others have to say.

Ending the night with decent confidence in you and Mocsta being town isn't bad for me at all.
I have read this trfel/conversion exchange a few times and think both are town (possibly conversion moreso than trfel).

I agree trfel overplayed that point.
(However, this is only applicable to trfel who at this point is coming across as a super-deep analytical player whom should know better).
The way conversion handled it by pointing it out but not shitting on trfel is what makes me feel good about the exchange.

TLDR: I think a mafia conversion that is town reading trfel would simply answer the question.
& conversion odd filter comments could legitimately be tiredness. Heck as mafia i dont check my filter, so perhaps its more a personality thing than alignment thing.


Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 07 2018 05:09 GMT
#459
On February 07 2018 13:52 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2018 09:31 Holyflare wrote:
Also I'm officially at peak this wagon is going too fast levels.
Nothing from rsoultin, no one really pushing anything else...

@Mocsta, I was slightly town on rsoultin, as seen here. I was convinced by Conversion's reasoning, what he said made a lot of sense to me. Koshi posted his new read change with old reasoning from the start of the game. To me that's suspicious. You can think of me what you want, I'm just curious what you think of Koshi.
This type of comment makes me paranoid as it seems very preemptive.

I pinged you about rsoultin because you "snuck" a vote in, but nothing was stated in thread.

I cant recall anythign Koshi has posted other than some old filters I ignored.
Will update opinion once I conclude re-read.

Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 07 2018 05:23 GMT
#460
On February 07 2018 14:09 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2018 13:52 Trfel wrote:
On February 07 2018 09:31 Holyflare wrote:
Also I'm officially at peak this wagon is going too fast levels.
Nothing from rsoultin, no one really pushing anything else...

@Mocsta, I was slightly town on rsoultin, as seen here. I was convinced by Conversion's reasoning, what he said made a lot of sense to me. Koshi posted his new read change with old reasoning from the start of the game. To me that's suspicious. You can think of me what you want, I'm just curious what you think of Koshi.
This type of comment makes me paranoid as it seems very preemptive.

I pinged you about rsoultin because you "snuck" a vote in, but nothing was stated in thread.

I cant recall anythign Koshi has posted other than some old filters I ignored.
Will update opinion once I conclude re-read.

I said that because I don't really care to talk much about my alignment, just wanted to make sure that you knew that was all I had to say on the matter.

What do you think about ritoky, as well? I'm not sure I'm townreading him strongly any more but even though he's been pretty lazy I still kinda think he's town. I don't like that he seems so self-focused, spends so much time talking about himself instead of the game, but his reads seem to show actual thought, which I do like.

I don't really like how Koshi is townreading rsoultin but not really doing anything at all about the lynch. Heck, I'd say Holyflare and you are doing more to avoid a rsoultin lynch despite scumreading her than Koshi is and he's townreading her. Like if I was happily confident in a small pool where mafia were, and was voting for one, and had a strong townread who was being lynched, I'd be much more passionate about it than what Koshi is doing. Feels like he's setting up a potential "I told you so" after the flip.

And if it's not clear I'm not a big fan of the rsoultin lynch right now... Not sure what is better, if anything. Not that I'm not suspicious of rsoultin but the way the day has been playing out makes me very hesitant.
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