EPT[M][N] Vendée Globe 16' Mafia - Page 125
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12970 Posts
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
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Calix
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Longer days might also work. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
edit: think i wouldnt mind trying something like rayn suggested. but fyi: will be on a two week vacation in two weeks, so i'll prolly wait until after that to play again. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
If i was to lynch people who weren't being logical i would have lynched Conversion and Damdred. Ironically though, i didn't get Damdred as scum because i did the opposite.  | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On February 09 2018 13:35 Mocsta wrote: I REALLY HATE THIS exchange On February 07 2018 16:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: while mderg lacks a bit of enthusiasm he had last game i think the last game was best i have ever seen mderg play. Also i think he is focusing on the right things (aka rsoultin). On February 07 2018 20:29 mderg wrote: Be honest, you're only townreading me because I'm on the same page as you on rsoultin. I haven't done shit this game. I just see no value in stating this to a town player. The only motive I think that is acceptable is scum distancing. On February 09 2018 20:03 Mocsta wrote: seriously, im more than happy to lynch rayn first will benefit thread regardless. i dont care how tunneled you are.. even DF dropped his scum read on me after the mderg wagon. rayn on the other hand.. this play makes sense to me as scum for 2 reasons (1) He wants to shit up town atmosphere and thinks I will bite back (2) Senses there are some ppl that would consider my lynch (e.g. ritoky and conversion) its quite a safe play (very similar to what i decided to do with Holyflare on day2 of previous game). I mean, you took a post that mderg made, made a conclusion that i am mafia BECAUSE of what mderg said, and then looked for something that will fit your conclusion. I think it's a wrong way to look at things. The fact that i didn't even remember mderg making that post can be seen as scummy, but you turned the situation upside down and to me it looked like after that you were just trying to find stuff that supports your conclusion in a way that you just made up reasons why anything i did was scummy. Because honestly the points (1) and (2) are quite bad. I never did (1), and there was never any indication of (2) before i called you mafia. Also it's not a safe play to call someone who everyone townreads, mafia..... Also i am still very confused about the tags thing, i know you have explained it multiple times but i still don't understand.  | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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justanothertownie
16324 Posts
On February 15 2018 00:22 disformation wrote: yeah i think that is why artanis mentioned post restriction imo. cause more time just means the active ones are posting more. post restriction might provide an incentive for me to think more before posting, but I also can see how post restriction can be a huge turn off. edit: think i wouldnt mind trying something like rayn suggested. but fyi: will be on a two week vacation in two weeks, so i'll prolly wait until after that to play again. A post restriction actually does nothing to solve the problem. The problem is the disparity of some people just not doing anything (prplhz) or very little and some doing quite a lot even though they are also short on time. You do not combat that by introducing a post restriction. | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
On February 14 2018 19:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Could host a post-restricted game with longer days and nights so that people can play without needing to put as much time in if people are interested. On February 15 2018 01:39 justanothertownie wrote: A post restriction actually does nothing to solve the problem. The problem is the disparity of some people just not doing anything (prplhz) or very little and some doing quite a lot even though they are also short on time. You do not combat that by introducing a post restriction. What about a modified version of BH's Twitterverse mafia? 5 posts/140 characters and normal cycles is extremely low but I think a few tweaks to that and it may not be a horrible idea. (for starters, plurality and not majority lynch and Palmar had some seemingly good ideas in that postgame) At least reading that prior game it didn't look too horrible. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On February 15 2018 02:00 Half the Sky wrote: What about a modified version of BH's Twitterverse mafia? 5 posts/140 characters and normal cycles is extremely low but I think a few tweaks to that and it may not be a horrible idea. (for starters, plurality and not majority lynch and Palmar had some seemingly good ideas in that postgame) At least reading that prior game it didn't look too horrible. The problem with post restrictions is that during certain situations it limits the players chances of doing shit (regardless of affiliation). Like if you have to prove you are not mafia and someone (or worse, like 4-5 players) ask you questions you cannot answer them all since you don't have necessarily posts to counter the arguments. Artificially "helping" the problem with things like "for the last three hours of day phase you are allowed to post as much as you like" kind of defeats the whole idea in the first place and it treats people with different standards because not everyone can be around at fixed times. Basically post restrictions are just bad. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
The tone of some (or most) people is something we have talked about on TL mafia for years now as it used to be a lot different. However, it's probably not something that anybody can do anything about, and if you look at the post game, people liked your posts. You were universally town read (got a save from me on n1 and killed n2), that's not bad. | ||
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
I think it would be a fun idea, if you don't like those games then you could just not sign up for it. | ||
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Vivax
22237 Posts
Means no breaks allowed from paying attention to the game but it should be quick and rather intense momentum wise. I believe post restrictions are an advantage for mafia, they'd be for me at least :> | ||
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justanothertownie
16324 Posts
On February 15 2018 02:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: The problem with post restrictions is that during certain situations it limits the players chances of doing shit (regardless of affiliation). Like if you have to prove you are not mafia and someone (or worse, like 4-5 players) ask you questions you cannot answer them all since you don't have necessarily posts to counter the arguments. Artificially "helping" the problem with things like "for the last three hours of day phase you are allowed to post as much as you like" kind of defeats the whole idea in the first place and it treats people with different standards because not everyone can be around at fixed times. Basically post restrictions are just bad. Exactly. The twitter stuff is even worse than general post restrictions. Which are already bad. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
Perhaps your ace logic can be put to good use by reflecting how YOU can improve; after all, you were ?flawless? in your obs warrior quest prior?. My own thoughts on post-restrictions, is that I have played one game many years ago (hosted by Ver) and the outcome did not match the predicted result - for many reasons including what Rayn already highlighted. I also think with different timezones, 48hrs is required to allow at least some meaningful interactions to occur. One post-restriction nights may be something that can force people to reflect on the game -> thus improving analytical content. Further, with the limited pool of players, people are overall more familiar with each others meta. I suspect this tends towards games increasingly becoming town-favored. Perhaps a slight setup change is required (beyond adding an SK). I don't know enough about theory to understand what roles could be added to town/mafia to make it a bit more engaging. However, I do also understand the argument that this would never work given prplhz interaction as medic this game. A ? for now. Ciao guys and gals, its been a blast, and in particular these 2 games were a nice walk down memory lane. It is truly a shame that the community has depleted like this, and I sincerely hopes a way is found to keep newbies involved - for that, I don't have any deep insight. I assume the current protocol relies on: [A] People to find TL Mafia - i.e. a very small % of a small pond that drys out further each year; and, [B] TL Mafia is maintained by a group of "volunteers" (e.g. shout out to Kitaman and co); which effectively places a handicap on the ability to proactively market new demographics. Therefore, I imagine the simplest means of marketing would be to play cross-community games HOSTED on TL Mafia to show case why the TL Mafia atmosphere can be fun to play in. I don't know if this effort has taken place prior, aside from championship games which is a whole different kettle of fish (read: ego-stroke). But if i take the time to reflect, after the first round of championship games 4-5years ago, I left TL to play Daily Mafia. Why cant it work in reverse today. On that note: Good luck. P.S. Artanis you are a lucky man. I truly was impressed by rsoultin last game. To me, it doesnt matter whether she solved the game or not, she created a town atmosphere where people were truly interacting and getting enjoyment out of trying to solve the game TOGETHER, leading to a game that solves itself over the course. Its those (extremely) rare games that make me go, this is what I enjoy about mafia - even though unfortunately, I was on the other side | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
Taking accountability to better ones self is much more difficult. Your commentary above indicates a long journey ahead. Take care, have fun. P.S. obs last game. | ||
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