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On January 18 2018 22:01 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote: Is meta that thing where people based early reads on a player's past games? Anyways, Bold doesn't make since sense everyone who thinks Darthfoley is scum is doing the same. Can you explain the word usage point more in detail with examples? Not exactly a hot take, but Twat is pretty town. I liked this point in particular. Damerion seems to be making everything Damdred does a part of his "damdred = scum" mindset. What Twat points out seems like confirmation bias imo. | ||
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On January 18 2018 18:56 beentheredonethat wrote: Its a normal start for HF, youre giving him too much credit. No reason to be disappointed. The whole thing feels weird. Tina is having a good start, I like her. I also like hfs cream joke since it feels genuine, but that's pretty nai. Im eager to call out afkers and place some votes upon them to get them playing. BTDT strikes me as someone who's sort of just drifted through the game so far. Granted his filter is only a few posts, but the posts themselves seem careful not to step on any toes. The progression in this post is scummy to me 1. It's a normal start for HF, you're giving him too much credit. 2. HF's cream joke "feels genuine" (implied town read) 3. But it's NAI (so why imply a town read 3 words beforehand?) It just feels like a whole lot of hedging on HF. Im eager to call out afkers and place some votes upon them to get them playing. This is basically the safest thing mafia can do ever lol. It doesn't ruffle any feathers. Have pressuring AFK people ever actually worked? They're AFK because... they aren't following the game. He also then ignores his own advice and throws a scum read on Mocsta. I'm not understanding his thought progression at all | ||
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On January 19 2018 01:21 Rels wrote: I also don't like BTDT's first post. Feels weird. I also don't like rsoul being the Damdred whisperer and being bothered with him but not poking him to get a proper read Oui mon ami, oui! | ||
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So basically I don't know. Mocsta can still be scum though. | ||
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Town: Twat/Rels | ||
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On January 19 2018 06:04 Holyflare wrote: So you're saying you like what I said but it's pretty nai? Oi shut up m8 | ||
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He has seen what I see and shares some similar opinions about specific things that would not be on a mafia's priorities list at this juncture in the game | ||
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Nah. On January 19 2018 01:21 Rels wrote: I also don't like BTDT's first post. Feels weird. I also don't like rsoul being the Damdred whisperer and being bothered with him but not poking him to get a proper read There ya go. | ||
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On January 19 2018 09:17 Mocsta wrote: @darthfoley Why call me out, ignore me and then throw this? I find it peculiar that you go into detail on why you dont 'understand' BDTD motives; yet, for me, its a simple (and backtrackable): scum alignment. What was this intention I haven't ignored you. I fell asleep last night and then by the time I was off work today, there were 7 pages of reading I did and I responded to them. What I said here On January 18 2018 12:58 darthfoley wrote: who is this mocsta character and why is he speaking so much? Is basically what HF said here On January 18 2018 17:18 Holyflare wrote: Cos I'm town. Also don't take mocsta's enthusiasm as towny. Looks pretty forced and says nothing. I agree with HF that you've posted a lot and yet I can't remember anything you've actually said. What do you think of the game currently? | ||
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On January 20 2018 04:27 rsoultin wrote: Seriously contemplating switching to darth foley just to see if that shakes anything up. Also still really like Rels' point. Can you stop talking about me and do it, if you're gonna do it? You've been trying to start a wagon on me for 3 pages without actually starting it. Either put up or shut up. I'm back btw | ||
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Kelsier sticks out as particularly odd in this progression On January 19 2018 19:29 KelsierSC wrote: I don't think a list like this is very good. In reality you have provided yourself a lot of outs to change opinion without putting forward anything new. Can you expand on df and explain why he is meh. This implies some sense of skepticism or town read on me. He then 180s more or less by giving a vague summary of my filter to justify the current hot-take in the thread. What is this reasoning? On January 19 2018 20:15 KelsierSC wrote: Fair enough, I don't remember ever playing with BTDT so I will take your word on it. He has been weak , I would prefer to lynch df at this point but if nothing else is forthcoming from BTDT then he becomes a better lynch. Why do you prefer to lynch DF > BTDT but if BTDT doesn't do anything, then BTDT > DF. How does this make any sense? Why would your lynch preference change if nothing changes? | ||
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On January 20 2018 04:39 rsoultin wrote: But since you're here, where are you on mocsta? I tried reading through your pages long back and forth with Mocsta but it ended up becoming minute detail drivel that I couldn't follow. Everything he's said has seemingly been super nitpicky or in the weeds. I don't see him really interacting with anyone except to focus on very specific little moments that he then goes to great lengths to overanalyze. I call this the Shapelog syndrome. Basically looooots of words with very little content. Like I still don't know where his head is besides the fact that he is obsessed with talking about someone else's conversation with you on Damdred. Wut. So yea he's still on my scum list. Also ##Vote: BTDT | ||
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Basically. + Show Spoiler + At this point i'd lynch between mderg, maybe df then prplhz,kmatt and btdt need to put more into the thread. On January 19 2018 20:13 KelsierSC wrote: btdt is weak I would agree. I think df was one of the first people to call him out on that which gives me pause because df is also scummy to me. his post about costa talking to much , I guess his town read of rels makes sense in retrospect if they both think btdt is scummy. but is that enough for a town read...maybe. df twice talked about the damerion/damdred thing, didnt commit to one side and then tried to get an alternate lynch going. First one he said damerion was being too aggressive or confirmation biased and then said btdt was scum. then he said he wasn't sure on damdred/damerion and needed to reread, but costa was scum. basically not committing to anyside and trying to get some alternative lynch going. The costa one especially felt bad. I think df or btdt is scum though. Now that people seem to be warming to the idea of DF/BTDT wagons, mderg is conveniently forgotten even though he doesn't provide any explanation. Like he goes through all this effort to basically summarize my whole filter as some justification to vote me. On January 19 2018 20:39 KelsierSC wrote: I guess BTDT works as a lynch . I suppose he has a high chance of flipping scum. Mderg you are here , what do you think about a BTDT lynch? BTDT has a higher chance of flipping scum after he just spent a whole post talking about how i'm scummy. And then votes on BTDT. At least it's very unlikely that he and BTDT are teamed if they're mafia | ||
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On January 20 2018 04:57 rsoultin wrote: You came up with a vague opinion. Minute drivel, where is it? Point it out. Read what he wrote about me, mderg, and HF again and tell me if he actually says an opinion in any of his reads. | ||
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On January 20 2018 05:00 mderg wrote: The lack of reponse to Mocsta's posts doesn't make sense as either alignment unless it's an unlucky coincidence. I'm definitely top tier scum when the stars align every 200 years. I would generally advice against meta reading me, though. Y'all talking about how I didn't respond to Mocsta's big post after I called him out. I went to bed after I made that post and he responded like an hour later. How is that alignment indicative? | ||
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On January 20 2018 05:03 Rels wrote: That ain't true, there was this post posted before the one you quoted: "Ok that makes some sense" lol | ||
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On January 20 2018 05:03 Damdred wrote: Let me make this clear then, it is extremely difficult for my style so early to find meaninful conclusions when so much of the thread is about me. I still think the game comes down to DF/moc and then some form of combination afterwards. I do not believe btdt is scum, his play is to off the cuff and free imo. If I had to lay a idea down thw btdt v damdred wagon is t v t and i wont vote him to save myself. DF and moc are name dropping each other a bit to create distance but its just shadow games and soft pushes at this point. Moc vote on me was suoer opportunistic, his vote is over explained and well for just an ok case my damer as he calls it he sure does go in hard. DF is a little to clean here to me and isnt rwally digging anywhere worthwhile. RS, Kel, btdt are never scum to me. After that I really have small inklings, twat doing his vote and never making another contriubtion at this point is head acratching but he could be busy. Same for damer. HF could go either way and rels. So eh? Why is Kelscier never scum to you? | ||
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On January 20 2018 05:13 rsoultin wrote: I'm down with a darth foley lynch. @df...still want my answers. I dream of lynching scum day 1. If you insist on calling one of the most townread townies in the game scum, have at it, but even if you think I'm scum, if you're town it may help sway others -shrugs- I don't care how you or other people react to my reads lol. I hope I have time later before deadline but I'm gonna be busy. I'm not sure what I didn't answer? Mocsta sided with the majority of people who thought Damdred was scum at a time when it was easy and low risk to do so. His other "reads" are vague and don't take any real stands. He reminds me of 30 page scum!Shapelog | ||
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On January 20 2018 05:29 rsoultin wrote: How is any of this vague? If this a genuine opinion from you, I need you to explain it. Because right now it seems like you decided to keep calling him scum and hastily constructed an answer that you yourself can't support without making vague claims that I see no factual grounds for. Yes he gives a little nibble here or there of a conclusion but he leaves so much wiggle room for backing off. I don't know why this point is so hard for you to understand and why you disagree so vehemently. It looks like typical light shade throwing without much commitment. For example, "mderg used hyperbole" I think can be read either way. Town use hyperbole all the time but in different ways than mafia. I'm moving on from this because I've explained myself and if you still don't get it then I guess we just fundamentally disagree on the issue at hand. | ||
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On January 20 2018 05:52 rsoultin wrote: You know this constant blather about "easy to back out of" reads is irritating to me. It's flatout wrong. There is no statement or read that isn't easy to back out of. Town changes their minds. Scum can say they've changed their minds. Overwhelming certainty based on little evidence I find suspicious. And you're right that we fundamentally disagree. I FUNDAMENTALLY believe that what he wrote was not vague. It had specifics for his stances, and clear stances even if they weren't necessarily strong. You FUNDAMENTALLY seem to believe people need to be egomaniacal narcissists to be town, apparently. I just think you're bullshitting to defend a read you didn't have reasons for when I asked. And I'm fundamentally done talking to you for now. | ||
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On January 20 2018 05:59 mderg wrote: The wiggle room tuff would make me scum in 90% of my games, which makes me dislike that reasoning I think you guys are misunderstanding my point on Mocsta. I don't believe that "because Mocsta is unsure of things on D1 he must be scum." Obviously by definition town are not going to know things and be unsure of stuff. My point is that when you read Mocsta's filter, it's very focused on what other people think of the game. He loves to ask questions and then overanalyze their responses. His "reads" to me don't seem like someone unsure of themselves and trying to follow up with said people to figure it out. He voted Damdred at an opportune time, and hasn't really done much since. He mentions me/HF/you as sort of in the realm of possibility, sort of maybe sus but doesn't really commit to it. That isn't the biggest issue: the biggest issue is that he doesn't seem to be interested in finding answers to any of the questions and queries he posts. | ||
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On January 20 2018 06:16 rsoultin wrote: Not what you said at all earlier but the first thing that rings possibly true to me. Did you perhaps consider time differences when coming to this conclusion, or...? Not particularly, no. I don't think time differences really matter. I often leave questions during NA night time for EU people when they wake up | ||
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On January 20 2018 06:38 rsoultin wrote: Doesn't seem so, looking through his filter. I don't recall him having much of an opinion on anything but damdred. Yes, this is also my problem with him. Being this gung-ho on one person is one thing, but a lack of communication with the rest of the game is something more | ||
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On January 20 2018 06:40 Holyflare wrote: You're also doing irrelevant Damerion questioning. There's two people up for lynch afaik. Damdred and df. I would like a little more focus on that. Or even mocsta. Why are people voting df? I'm pretty sure it's 3way between btdt, me and damdred. a real kinky affair | ||
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On January 20 2018 06:43 rsoultin wrote: For me it's a static mocsta scumread. His reasoning, that mocsta is focusing on minutiae (first explanation) and/or making vague reads (second explanation) and/or whatever the third explanation was that I should look back up or won't both struck me as inaccurate and being adapted to match the static read. Could be wrong but not going to vote Damdred over him for 1) erroneously applied meta for how Damdred plays day 1 or 2) he admitted to using the word 'like' -_- Lol my reasoning on Mocsta hasn't changed. I just fleshed it out more fully. I was phone posting from school and then I had my planning period and was able to get on the PC. 1. Minutiae 2. Vague reads 3. Not being inquisitive and not pushing the game forward in any way On January 20 2018 05:20 darthfoley wrote: I don't care how you or other people react to my reads lol. I hope I have time later before deadline but I'm gonna be busy. I'm not sure what I didn't answer? Mocsta sided with the majority of people who thought Damdred was scum at a time when it was easy and low risk to do so. His other "reads" are vague and don't take any real stands. He reminds me of 30 page scum!Shapelog I guess I shouldn't have made this reference but anyone who's seen Shapelog play mafia knows that all three of my points are how he plays and I was comparing Shapelog to Mocsta. (Obviously Mocsta isn't spamming in terms of post count) | ||
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And all the other people who are on me have conveniently fucked off. | ||
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Town Twat Kmatt HF Rels Mderg rsoultin prphlz Damerion Damdred Kelscier Mocsta BTDT Mafia | ||
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On January 20 2018 23:26 Mocsta wrote: I shall illuminate my top 2 reads in further detail to connect how and more importantly why they are a scum pairing. Please refer to my 4000 word case below. Why is DF scum Read DF Filter, and dont tell me you dont see this.... + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://lolasrecoverysite.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/outsidelookingin.jpg) Why is HF scum Read HF Filter, and dont tell me you dont see this... + Show Spoiler + and... wait for it. ![[image loading]](https://media1.tenor.com/images/bd7e85e963017a2ae67c845649af98e6/tenor.gif?itemid=7658718) Why does it work together + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://image.ibb.co/kNKc8b/Capture.png) yawn | ||
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On February 04 2018 09:12 kitaman27 wrote: lol this one probably deserves a funniest moment nomination :D Yea lol I completely forgot about that post but in retrospect it did look quite funny  Also nominating Damdred for best/most memorable performance 2k18 for calling out the full mafia team D1 before being lynched. Overall I think the game was well played. Knew the setup probably included a vig considering we only had a roleblocker, which was one of the reasons why I tried to go hard against Mocsta. Knew there was a very real change the vig would shoot into me/btdt after N1, and it gave Mocsta some cred going into the latter stages. I think one of my issues this game was that I was unable to figure out how to respond to Damerion's big play on Damdred. Wasn't really my preferred strategy and I was left in a weird bind where I felt like I couldn't pick either side. I think i've died N1 four out of my last five games either by NK or vigi shot lol. Hopefully I roll town in the next game and have a long and prosperous life Shout out to Mocsta for try harding all the way to the end. Was rooting for you bud. | ||
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On February 04 2018 12:20 Mocsta wrote: Pinpoint on day1 is meaningless. No flips. Its more important to convince others of your reads, than to have correct reads You know this rayn.. ##vote: rayn Convincing others of your reads when they're shit doesn't do anything but lose. Correct reads are always more important unless your primary goal is to just be an alpha. Damdred called us out D1 and never really backed off of it, even in the obs QT iirc. | ||
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On February 04 2018 09:36 justanothertownie wrote: Well, damdreds reads were surely impressive but nominating the day1 mislynch for best town performance is... special. I mean like no one nominated anyone for anything last year so if you don't agree, how about... you just don't vote for it? Obviously there will be other nominations in the next 10 months. Problem solved! | ||
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