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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 02 2018 12:38 GMT
#2021
You forgot the quote where you let JAT lynch your hipster townread and Rels called you conf mafia.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 02 2018 12:39 GMT
#2022
On February 02 2018 21:00 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2018 20:56 Mocsta wrote:
jat.. koshi keeps appealing to your fear

im showing you facts.

koshi knew I was sided with mderg
koshi knew the final 3 with me + mderg is GG
koshi kills mderg knowing you will side with him

dont fall for this immature emotional bullshit

Koshi is literally doing the opposite. He was doing his best for me to lynch him.
I don't see why the other final 3 would be gg.
I also don't see why koshi would know that I will side with him when during the night I literally gave reasons for him to be mafia and not you.

I was making some jokes. Not trying you to lynch me.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 02 2018 12:39 GMT
#2023
Not tempting*
I had a good night of sleep.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 02 2018 13:00 GMT
#2024
On February 02 2018 21:38 Koshi wrote:
You forgot the quote where you let JAT lynch your hipster townread and Rels called you conf mafia.

And whats the scum motivation again??
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
February 02 2018 13:37 GMT
#2025
Read koshi too. Mocsta and flipped mafia will follow later in the day.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 02 2018 14:30 GMT
#2026
On February 02 2018 22:37 justanothertownie wrote:
Read koshi too. Mocsta and flipped mafia will follow later in the day.

Lucky you. Must have been amazing.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 02 2018 14:31 GMT
#2027
On February 02 2018 22:00 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2018 21:38 Koshi wrote:
You forgot the quote where you let JAT lynch your hipster townread and Rels called you conf mafia.

And whats the scum motivation again??

It's ok. We let JAT decide.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 02 2018 17:14 GMT
#2028
Man you put some serious effort in as mafia mocsta. The only thing I can say is that maybeee you dont have strong convictions you want to push on the thread.

Vut your global view on the game is amazing. So hard to do.
I had a good night of sleep.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
February 02 2018 20:35 GMT
#2029
Almost through mocstas filter.
Heavily leaning towards him being the mafia and am quite unlikely to change my mind about it.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
February 02 2018 20:36 GMT
#2030
But feel free to try.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
February 02 2018 20:36 GMT
#2031
I will elaborate when I have access to a pc.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
February 02 2018 22:29 GMT
#2032
Ok, first of all my opinion on the Kmatt/Koshi slot:

I never understood the cases on Kmatt. There was only one post in his filter that was somewhat scummy to me and now I can't even seem to find it anymore...
Koshi has been 100 % standard town koshi so far. If he is mafia he is doing an incredible job of faking that. The only reason he could be mafia is this stupid swag play after acting like my opinion about the game actually means something to him and the fact that he apparently disappeared before the rels lynch even though he was present for the flip.

I also think there are a few things that make this seem unlikely. I thought about Damerions claim and I seriously think it is a horrible play in a df/kmatt/damerion world. It literally resulted in most people putting kmatt in a 2 player poe pool with my slot. What is this supposed to achieve? Damerion as a claimed cop will never survive the game once kmatt is dead. If Mocsta is mafia on the other hand this claim makes sense either way. If it works mocsta is off the table due to the green check. If it doesn't then that is also fine since mocsta tried to distance from damerion quite a bit. Koshi also knows that it is a terrible idea to take me into the final 3. The only reason he would do that is to gain awards or some shit. Mocsta on the other hand could have deemed it a good idea (more on this when I explain why I think he is the mafia).

If I am wrong here Koshi will probably try to annoy me for all eternity and I will feel bad for failing HF a second time this game but I can't go against my own believe here.

Mocsta, I will summarize my reasons for thinking you are mafia later today which gives you a window of about 14 hours from now on to convince me I am wrong even though I doubt you will succeed with that. Afterwards I have social obligations to attend.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 02 2018 23:37 GMT
#2033
I knew you would know.
And I still like to win.
So good stuff JAT.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 02 2018 23:38 GMT
#2034
And I really thought Rels was mafia lol.
I had a good night of sleep.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
February 02 2018 23:58 GMT
#2035
Ok, on to Mocsta. First of all - you played a good game regardless of your alignment and would have quite likely won if there hadn't been the way too late replacement. That really sucks.

You have a very good filter to show with a lot of involvement from start to finish (fantastic if you are mafia really). But I think you planned a very active game before you knew your alignment. It is almost as if you are trying to use as many different and rare words and stylistic means as possible in the early game. Now, that is not scummy. But it is not towny either and it makes your content seem more voluminous than it really is.
If I take a look at how this content is divided though we get into problems. Yes, you and df go after each other early in the game. But it isn't really dangerous at all and not an inconceivable thing to think of this as a soft bus. And you constantly bring this up all game in a subtle way. Your filter is littered with "there are tons of interesting interactions of the flipped mafia on day1". You never show any of that but that's ok since the point of it is to make people think you are town for the df soft bus. Really smooth.
More important is the way you go about it when the day progresses. You don't ever try to really get df to show his colours. You just declare he is mafia and dismiss him. You do not spark discussion about him like you do with a lot of other people. He is just mafia and you aren't interested in talking about it. The same goes for Damerion later on too. It is really different how you treat those 2 compared to townies. You aren't trying to figure them out - you are just declaring them mafia without doing anything about it while your vote always magically ends up on a townie in the end. Damdred first, then prplhz. Your actions do not match your words.

Also, even after declaring him mafia you instantly believe damerions claim and only flip your read when he is about to go down. Why? If you thought he is mafia a healthy scepsis would have been warranted. Like I already mentioned a few times I also dislike your anger about the btdt rb thing. It seems to me like you were furious because someone you planned as a mislynch later on got cleared by something very stupid.

When HF was lynched you supposedly would have preferred a kmatt lynch. But you never did anything to actually make it happen. You even voted HF yourself. Does not look like you had a problem with it at all. Same goes for the Rels lynch. You still claimed you would rather lynch koshi. But still you weren't going after your #1 scumread in earnest. In a weird twist of events you even voted "confirmed town" mderg in the end. Mind boggling if you are town. In general I do not get how a townie can declare mderg (and rels before) town as confidently as you did while still claiming that btdt could be mafia despite the rb claim. You townread yourself into a corner with this too because you could never have gone after mderg in final 3 (so it technically doesn't really make a difference to you if you shoot him or me). You always had to lynch Koshi. And for some reason you seem to have thought I would let you do that which will be your biggest mistake this game if i am right. I think (and some of your comments do allude to this) you expected me to not give a shit or try in LYLO which is something Koshi would never ever have assumed.

The btdt kill also makes sense to me now. Your whole "JAT is blue" stuff during the night made no sense to me from a town point of view. But you tried to use it specifically to make Koshi look bad via the "he only read the qt" story. I think you hedged by shooting him so either he is actually the doc and dies OR I am actually the blue and you can claim to have made this awesome play and that Koshi is mafia for it.

tldr: The Kmatt/Koshi slot seems very town to me, you treated the flipped mafia palyers very differently than townies and in a world where you are mafia everything including the weird nightkills makes at least some sense.

##Vote: Mocsta
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
February 03 2018 00:01 GMT
#2036
On February 03 2018 08:37 Koshi wrote:
I knew you would know.
And I still like to win.
So good stuff JAT.

Tbh. in addition to all of the things I wrote the game is somewhat irrelevant to me if you should be mafia since Kita just replaced the last mafia on the day he was going to be lynched,

And this seemed really honest btw. (and understandably so):
On January 30 2018 08:10 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2018 04:28 justanothertownie wrote:
This really late replacement in general is really screwing over someones game. Either the mafia game of some poor fella just got a lot harder or a secure mafia loss was just stopped by host intervention if it is your slot.
Truest statement of the game.

justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
February 03 2018 00:11 GMT
#2037
I think mafia Mocsta thought he has a better chance at convincinga previously rather inactive JAT who was never really scumreading him this game and even gave him a tentative townlean early on than mderg who posted this stuff before he died and was generally unlynchable for Mocsta.
On January 31 2018 20:31 mderg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2018 20:18 mderg wrote:
Taking a look at Mocsta now

Not the most impressive day1, some pressure on df but latched onto the damdred wagon. I don't particularly like his reasons for voting damdred. Took a very strong stance on df being scum in night1, though.

Lots of long-winded explanations throughout the whole game which often made me struggle to see where he's going.

On January 31 2018 21:03 mderg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2018 20:48 mderg wrote:
On January 31 2018 20:31 mderg wrote:
On January 31 2018 20:18 mderg wrote:
Taking a look at Mocsta now

Not the most impressive day1, some pressure on df but latched onto the damdred wagon. I don't particularly like his reasons for voting damdred. Took a very strong stance on df being scum in night1, though.

Lots of long-winded explanations throughout the whole game which often made me struggle to see where he's going.

Did have more proper reads than I remembered, it's just the votes that go to the easy wagons to jump on.
Day2 was talking about lots of things but put his vote on prplhz without talking that much about him. Not that there was much to be said about prlphz, little content, looked pretty scummy.

Day3 was hard to follow his thought process, lots of theorizing, some defending of Damerion but not really committing to it. Was convinced of Damerion's scumminess by jat.
"Sheeped" Hf on kmatt. I kind of liked him going against the thread to lynch kmatt over hf. Didn't particularly like the "everyone who cares is probably" town line of reasoning.

On January 31 2018 21:13 mderg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2018 21:03 mderg wrote:
On January 31 2018 20:48 mderg wrote:
On January 31 2018 20:31 mderg wrote:
On January 31 2018 20:18 mderg wrote:
Taking a look at Mocsta now

Not the most impressive day1, some pressure on df but latched onto the damdred wagon. I don't particularly like his reasons for voting damdred. Took a very strong stance on df being scum in night1, though.

Lots of long-winded explanations throughout the whole game which often made me struggle to see where he's going.

Did have more proper reads than I remembered, it's just the votes that go to the easy wagons to jump on.
Day2 was talking about lots of things but put his vote on prplhz without talking that much about him. Not that there was much to be said about prlphz, little content, looked pretty scummy.

Day3 was hard to follow his thought process, lots of theorizing, some defending of Damerion but not really committing to it. Was convinced of Damerion's scumminess by jat.
"Sheeped" Hf on kmatt. I kind of liked him going against the thread to lynch kmatt over hf. Didn't particularly like the "everyone who cares is probably" town line of reasoning.

Day4 was kind of dead, Mocsta wanted kmatt over hf lynch. Not sure why he voted hf, though.


Overall a decent amount of prodding, some good posts and thoughts, often missing direction, difficult to follow his thought process.
The things he said were townie, the things he did a bit less so.

Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 03 2018 00:59 GMT
#2038
Is your mind made up by the vote
Or is it now a countdown?

Its saturday. A family day. And im not going to put in further effort unless there is a chance to change the outcome.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 03 2018 01:00 GMT
#2039
P.s.
Mdeeg in no way shape or form indicates im the best lynch in LYLO

You are making connections to suit your theory
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
February 03 2018 01:08 GMT
#2040
On February 03 2018 10:00 Mocsta wrote:
P.s.
Mdeeg in no way shape or form indicates im the best lynch in LYLO

You are making connections to suit your theory

Well, good thing I never said this then.
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