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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On November 21 2017 06:05 Stanislav Petrov wrote: So some are calling me mafia due to my suspicious 180 and others call me town because my suspicious 180 is just to suspicious for mafia to do. I feel like you don't understand what 180 means. A 180 for me would be saying I have townread on darthfoley and then saying I have a mafiaread on darthfoley. Or saying I have a mafiaread on damdred and then a townread on damdred. What you're actually referring to as my 180 is that I on page 5 wanted to lynch damdred because he was the most likely to be mafia with the information available at that time and in my next post on page 13. 8 pages later stating that I thought another person was a better candidate. I don't see anything in Stan's filter that could be construed as a 180. DF is lying, misleading or otherwise mistaken imo. | ||
Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
PS: I am not scumhunting | ||
VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
That pretty much explains the clusterfuck that Palmar was able to cobble together too, because everyone was pointing fingers at everyone else at the time. On a semi-related note, I think the breakdown in communication is that DF called what Stan did a 180, where he just voted for DF for no reason. There wasn't any flip in opinion, it was just verbiage that was misused and caused a bunch of confusion. | ||
VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
:/ I don't know I wish more people were here or cared. | ||
Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
On November 21 2017 20:36 VisceraEyes wrote: That pretty much explains the clusterfuck that Palmar was able to cobble together too, because everyone was pointing fingers at everyone else at the time. I am, after all, the grand master of blackmagicclusterfuckery and bullshit. | ||
Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On November 21 2017 21:43 Palmar wrote: I'm kinda okay with lynching into TW, Hapa, Kelsier, Chez and DF tomorrow I think I like this list. | ||
Stanislav Petrov
Russian Federation21 Posts
I'm going to be looking over the game some more later but from now I'm liking darthfoley & Hapahauli. for tomorrow's lynch. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- darthfoley Either he's genuinely clueless and doesn't actually understand what having scumreads means since he insists he has them when he does not. Or he's scum and intentionally lying and misleading. On November 21 2017 02:53 darthfoley wrote: 1) This is not a big deal. I write down my thoughts as I play and I wanted to ask Boson a question. This is also not an original point by you so whatever 2) Just false 3) Lol, not your original point and also not a good point. 4) Also false 1. It is a big deal, or atleast for day 1's. Townies want to pressure the people they believe are scum, not the people you believe to be town. It's an obvious contradiction that hints that darthfoley isn't actually looking for mafia, he's just talking fluff and making it appear as he's contributing. 2. You hadn't pressured at that time anybody without also making an excuse why you might be wrong. Mafiaplay to cover their back. 3. I agree the point isn't as strong as the first 2 but small stuff piles up aswell. And it is true and from this point on darthfoley despite admitting that it was weak but not false continues through the game lying or misleading claiming 3/4 reasons were false when he makes future references. 4. Might be considered false if he misunderstood what I ment, but more likely he choose to misunderstand what I ment for his own agenda. Pushing a scum lynch is not the same as posting a one liner on a person with little/no reasoning behind it, and that is the best scumhunting darthfoley offers the town. As a townie looking to be lynched your first priority should be finding a better target and getting that person nailed. If you absolutely can't do that you can try to defend yourself, but defense is worthless to determine town/scum since both have an interest to do so and the same material so unless someone has actually lied in their arguments against you and you can call that out it's not helpful. The first person he truly does pressure and votes on is me but it's shady. On November 21 2017 00:28 darthfoley wrote: Meh. Idk who is more scummy. Let's vote Petrov and see what the wind blows ##Vote: Stanislav Petrov It's a very meh vote and from this point on he slow grows more and more outspokenly confident that I'm mafia despite no new information being added on so where does his increased confidence come from? He continues to reference past statements that are false and wrong and reinforcing them as true. When he talks to oats about me on bottom of page 32. On November 21 2017 06:06 darthfoley wrote: Then he co-opted the wagon and pretended like it was his original ideas This is actually the furthest thing from what I did and it's unbelievable that he would genuinely believe that after the big center point in the accusation against me was that I sheeped without adding anything new. Additionally I specifically said in a post he quoted (first quote above) On November 21 2017 02:43 Stanislav Petrov wrote: The first 2 are the major points and they had been stated by others, It add's nothing for me to say it again or by rephrasing it slightly so it looks like my own thoughts. In the end he changes votes to tumbleweed who looks like a potential easy lynch switch. Then follows on holyflare on a very sketchy case which again makes me feel that his outspoken confidence that I am mafia is not genuine. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hapahauli. I liked his initial call-out on darthfoley. But his next thing with the test is mindbogglingly weird from a town perspective and feels a lot like a feign bus. He makes a case against me which is full of contradictions and incorrect conclusions (I'll explain how if you don't understand). I didn't call it out immediately because I thought he was baiting to see who would jump aboard something that on a glance looked like an okey case but if you took 2 minutes you'd see it was bullshit. After learning I wasn't a beginner he dropped the case like a stone and parked himself on the holyflare wagon again based on a fairly weak case and wasn't heard from again. | ||
darthfoley
United States8001 Posts
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darthfoley
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darthfoley
United States8001 Posts
It is a pretty swaggy play to lynch an AFK town!HF on D1 | ||
Damdred
15669 Posts
His play might be scum but explain why you do a feign bus onto someone who at the time has 0 chance of being lynched? | ||
Damdred
15669 Posts
On November 22 2017 01:13 darthfoley wrote: I need to go back and look at the HF lynch. I'm still not really sure why the HF lynch got so much steam so quickly Palmar+saving you was 3/4 the reasoning | ||
Damdred
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darthfoley
United States8001 Posts
On November 22 2017 00:48 Stanislav Petrov wrote: The case on me was so bad and it's insane to me that it picked up as much momentum as it did. I feel like anyone who voted for me or accepted me as a lynch either must have not bothered to check the case in the slightest which is odd since I had like 7 posts and it would had taken 60 seconds to know every single statement against me was straight up untrue or were quotes of me with an incorrect analysis. Alternatively they purposefully bent facts to forge the case or they were scum who saw a chance to blend into the town misplay. I'm going to be looking over the game some more later but from now I'm liking darthfoley & Hapahauli. for tomorrow's lynch. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- darthfoley Either he's genuinely clueless and doesn't actually understand what having scumreads means since he insists he has them when he does not. Or he's scum and intentionally lying and misleading. 1. It is a big deal, or atleast for day 1's. Townies want to pressure the people they believe are scum, not the people you believe to be town. It's an obvious contradiction that hints that darthfoley isn't actually looking for mafia, he's just talking fluff and making it appear as he's contributing. 2. You hadn't pressured at that time anybody without also making an excuse why you might be wrong. Mafiaplay to cover their back. 3. I agree the point isn't as strong as the first 2 but small stuff piles up aswell. And it is true and from this point on darthfoley despite admitting that it was weak but not false continues through the game lying or misleading claiming 3/4 reasons were false when he makes future references. 4. Might be considered false if he misunderstood what I ment, but more likely he choose to misunderstand what I ment for his own agenda. Pushing a scum lynch is not the same as posting a one liner on a person with little/no reasoning behind it, and that is the best scumhunting darthfoley offers the town. As a townie looking to be lynched your first priority should be finding a better target and getting that person nailed. If you absolutely can't do that you can try to defend yourself, but defense is worthless to determine town/scum since both have an interest to do so and the same material so unless someone has actually lied in their arguments against you and you can call that out it's not helpful. The first person he truly does pressure and votes on is me but it's shady. It's a very meh vote and from this point on he slow grows more and more outspokenly confident that I'm mafia despite no new information being added on so where does his increased confidence come from? He continues to reference past statements that are false and wrong and reinforcing them as true. When he talks to oats about me on bottom of page 32. This is actually the furthest thing from what I did and it's unbelievable that he would genuinely believe that after the big center point in the accusation against me was that I sheeped without adding anything new. Additionally I specifically said in a post he quoted (first quote above) In the end he changes votes to tumbleweed who looks like a potential easy lynch switch. Then follows on holyflare on a very sketchy case which again makes me feel that his outspoken confidence that I am mafia is not genuine. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hapahauli. I liked his initial call-out on darthfoley. But his next thing with the test is mindbogglingly weird from a town perspective and feels a lot like a feign bus. He makes a case against me which is full of contradictions and incorrect conclusions (I'll explain how if you don't understand). I didn't call it out immediately because I thought he was baiting to see who would jump aboard something that on a glance looked like an okey case but if you took 2 minutes you'd see it was bullshit. After learning I wasn't a beginner he dropped the case like a stone and parked himself on the holyflare wagon again based on a fairly weak case and wasn't heard from again. Lol so you basically made a wall of text post about me without adding anything new. C'mon man To recap: 1. I don't care how my early D1 play looks. This point is still trash. It was contradictory because I had contradictory thoughts close together a few hours into the game. Oh well 2. I've been scumhunting MUCH more than you dude. You have one page of filter a day into the game. Your ENTIRE filter in the last 12-16 hours has revolved around defending yourself, and attacking me with the same shit points over and over and over. You have hardly interacted with anyone. I write one liners because I write stream of consciousness. I haven't given caveats to every scum read. This is also just wrong. 3. Another non point that still fails to have any relevancy 4. I had a lynch pool of THREE people (You, Oats, TW). I am on the block with 6 votes. Of course i'm going to factor in my chance of survivability into which of the three I eventually go after. I wanted to see more from Oats because I think he's a good town when he's town. You point out that I voted for TW "who looked like an easy potential lynch target." Dude, you were leading in votes 6-5-1 at the time. By voting for TW, I tied up the voting again which made me the lynch. Sick mafia strats bro. I followed onto the HF lynch 5 minutes before deadline without really wanting to because the alternative was me dying. The fact that you try to paint that as scummy is just laughable. You call me a liar for saying you have no original points on me. Please quote the original points that YOU added to the case on me. You keep criticizing me for not having new reads/scum reads, yet you have shown that you're incapable of forming new organic reads. You refuse to talk about anyone else. You're a one hit wonder. | ||
darthfoley
United States8001 Posts
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darthfoley
United States8001 Posts
On November 22 2017 01:46 Damdred wrote: Now the fact that we could onky get 5 votes for stan and managed to get every single person on stan to move+hapa/palmar not wanting to move is interesting. Exactamundo. Most we ever had on Stan was 6, then I moved off to TW. Never could get over 5 after that. Wonder why | ||
darthfoley
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