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Darth and Ruxxar are probably worth taking a look at.
The feeling I get from rux is that he is asking people to justify or explain things that aren't that difficult to comprehend. It felt like he trying to give the illusion of activity.
On November 19 2017 20:49 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2017 07:57 Stanislav Petrov wrote:Lets just lynch Damdred for prodding Oats and backing off immediately  Kelsier & Ruxxar look like they're doing scummy stuff together. Though without confirming if Ruxxar's game history is true, I rather slightly liked Damdreds point on dumb-telling. But ofcourse Damdred would know if Ruxxar was town since Damdred would know all the scum through association. I dont like this post. Its cramming too many thoughts into one post where it ends up being unlegible garbage. I'm not even sure I know what stance you are taking with this. Show nested quote +On November 19 2017 08:10 Stanislav Petrov wrote:
Actually going to revise what I said, Kelsier was behaving suspiciously in his post at Ruxxar, not with Ruxxar.
Though nothing says they're opposite alignments either.
TLDR Kelsier bad, Ruxxar null. This followup isnt helping when I can't understand the argument you made in the first place.
This followed up by asking me to explain a feeling read, I don't know how you can explain feelings.
Then again I really didn't like anything darth posted and it felt like he was just trying to mimic thread opinion and almost try and pocket rux.
On November 20 2017 00:18 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2017 21:03 ruXxar wrote:On November 19 2017 19:40 KelsierSC wrote:
Maybe because it's the latest thing in the thread but Tumblewood's posts seemed really off and had a jarring effect on me.
"jarring effect"... The dude has barely posted 3 lines in total. Care to explain what you mean? Good guy Ruxx
On November 20 2017 00:39 darthfoley wrote:
I still don't think Kelsier's explanation of TWs posts have been explained or believable. Like 3 one liners is not enough material to be considered jarring IMO. Makes it sound like a much more solid read than it actually is.
Maybe I'm just roasting the dude over word choice, but word choice matters
On November 20 2017 00:37 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2017 00:31 Z-BosoN wrote:On November 20 2017 00:13 darthfoley wrote:
Ruxx and Boson are probably Town Is this “Ruxx is town” echo chamber related to his meta? O feel like Im missing something. I feel like Im missing something. Also, what are your thoughts on Tumblewood and holyflare? I think Damdred's point on ruxx is decent plus his questioning of Kelsier is what i know to be town!Ruxx. TW i always think is scummy and it's the same this game. I only remember one comment by HF about mafia number game setup mechanics which is scummy.
darth perhaps you can explain why I have to give a full explanation for my TW read which you don't think I have enough basis for, but you can also read TW as scummy.
I probably have darth as my top lynch. I doubt that mafia darth would link up with mafia rux that hard so perhaps rux is ok I just don't think his questions are that useful.
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Hapa you got anything else?
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On November 20 2017 07:53 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2017 03:51 KelsierSC wrote:Darth and Ruxxar are probably worth taking a look at. The feeling I get from rux is that he is asking people to justify or explain things that aren't that difficult to comprehend. It felt like he trying to give the illusion of activity. On November 19 2017 20:49 ruXxar wrote:On November 19 2017 07:57 Stanislav Petrov wrote:Lets just lynch Damdred for prodding Oats and backing off immediately Kelsier & Ruxxar look like they're doing scummy stuff together. Though without confirming if Ruxxar's game history is true, I rather slightly liked Damdreds point on dumb-telling. But ofcourse Damdred would know if Ruxxar was town since Damdred would know all the scum through association. I dont like this post. Its cramming too many thoughts into one post where it ends up being unlegible garbage. I'm not even sure I know what stance you are taking with this. On November 19 2017 08:10 Stanislav Petrov wrote:
Actually going to revise what I said, Kelsier was behaving suspiciously in his post at Ruxxar, not with Ruxxar.
Though nothing says they're opposite alignments either.
TLDR Kelsier bad, Ruxxar null. This followup isnt helping when I can't understand the argument you made in the first place. This followed up by asking me to explain a feeling read, I don't know how you can explain feelings. Then again I really didn't like anything darth posted and it felt like he was just trying to mimic thread opinion and almost try and pocket rux. On November 20 2017 00:18 darthfoley wrote:On November 19 2017 21:03 ruXxar wrote:On November 19 2017 19:40 KelsierSC wrote:
Maybe because it's the latest thing in the thread but Tumblewood's posts seemed really off and had a jarring effect on me.
"jarring effect"... The dude has barely posted 3 lines in total. Care to explain what you mean? Good guy Ruxx On November 20 2017 00:39 darthfoley wrote:
I still don't think Kelsier's explanation of TWs posts have been explained or believable. Like 3 one liners is not enough material to be considered jarring IMO. Makes it sound like a much more solid read than it actually is.
Maybe I'm just roasting the dude over word choice, but word choice matters On November 20 2017 00:37 darthfoley wrote:On November 20 2017 00:31 Z-BosoN wrote:On November 20 2017 00:13 darthfoley wrote:
Ruxx and Boson are probably Town Is this “Ruxx is town” echo chamber related to his meta? O feel like Im missing something. I feel like Im missing something. Also, what are your thoughts on Tumblewood and holyflare? I think Damdred's point on ruxx is decent plus his questioning of Kelsier is what i know to be town!Ruxx. TW i always think is scummy and it's the same this game. I only remember one comment by HF about mafia number game setup mechanics which is scummy. darth perhaps you can explain why I have to give a full explanation for my TW read which you don't think I have enough basis for, but you can also read TW as scummy. I probably have darth as my top lynch. I doubt that mafia darth would link up with mafia rux that hard so perhaps rux is ok I just don't think his questions are that useful. Your read was bad and your defense of it was bullshit. Your first reaction to getting pressured was trying to pull up excuses and try to keep your image from being tarnished. Playing dumb is not going to win any townie points in my book.
This will probably be a futile effort to help you understand but let me just go through what actually happened and then maybe you can calm down a little bit.
My impression of TW was just i didn't like his posts when I was reading through the thread, it didn't feel like a natural entry. it's simply a feeling I had. I don't know how i can find evidence or data for a feeling , so you badgering me to explain it is pretty pointless.
I'm not "throwing scum on him" and trying to get the guy lynched. You seem pretty focused on something which is totally irrelevant and going way too aggressive . Ask yourself am I really making a hard. terrible read of TW and trying to force it down people's throat ?
As for this trying to "keep my image being tarnished nonsense", I think your just going off the deep end and making a fool of yourself.
I don't really know what to do with the koshi posts.
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On November 20 2017 08:32 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2017 05:37 Oatsmaster wrote:On November 20 2017 05:24 Z-BosoN wrote:On November 20 2017 05:20 Oatsmaster wrote:On November 20 2017 05:19 Z-BosoN wrote:On November 20 2017 05:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
ZBoson I find darth scummy. Of particular note there was a sequence where he called you town and then immediately was like "I still want ZBoson to explain this completely trivial matter though." in case anyone else found you scummy. WHAT SAY YOU?!?! I found it scummy as fuck, but it looks like it is TOO scummy knowwhatimsayin? Uncertain as fuck though. I’d rather lynch a more quiet fellow Who? Dunno man, I’m just Q&A here atm, on phone. Holyflare and tumbleweed are very tempting. Stan .... maybe. He just posted when I was randomly accusing him and was yet to be seen. It's almost 24 hours and you don't really have any reads?!? Why HF and TW? Over like conversion I've called out Conversion in one of his only posts of the game and you called me mafia but then when someone wants to lynch me you ask why not conversion? wut
This is ok
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On November 20 2017 08:53 Stanislav Petrov wrote:
##Vote: darthfoley
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On November 20 2017 08:57 KelsierSC wrote:...and
Was going to wait for some kind of qualifier but i have to sleep.
If no explanation is forthcoming i'll probably lynch Stan instead.
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On November 20 2017 18:07 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2017 14:18 Damdred wrote:On November 19 2017 12:28 Z-BosoN wrote:On November 19 2017 12:20 Damdred wrote:
Chez
Boson
Rux
is the start of an amazing if not marginally insane town circle.
Conversion, does anything give you pause or make you wonder yet?
Boson I would agree that his defensiveness moves him up/down in neutral. I am more interested in seeing him really defend the position on the lynch order.
Just for curiosity, why is Rux on this list? I've strong town vibes from Chezinu unless his mafia is an evil best not spoken of. Rux is... ? Is this a meta read? As to his lynch order, it would be more relevant how he pursues it I'd say. Though I do want to understand why you and KeslierSC are at the top of his list. Seems kind of arbitrary. You know those dumb reads you sonetimes get and just know they are right? Rux is playful and doesnt seem to have much in the way of motives.Plus what I said earlier about us joking around and about the number of scum etc., its dumb and suoer early but his attitude and all make me not want to lynch him today and think of him as town. Complete polar opposite to how he looks to me.
Just out of curiosity did this come after a filter dive of Damdred or just as you were reading the thread.
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On November 20 2017 18:28 Stanislav Petrov wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2017 14:46 Tumblewood wrote:
@hf: why is the df wagon okay despite no one trying to stop it? your reasons seem to amount to "he looks scummy", which is fine i guess, but if it's just that he's scummy are you even considering how the wagon forms? like, what would it take to change your mind, or do you just not actually care? You're trying to stop it right now. The 'nobody is trying to stop it so therefore the accused is innocent' argument sound good in theory but has rarely proved accurate in my experience. And that's without considering how disastrous it would be to let that become meta. The facts are darthfoley is the most suspicious person, so we should lynch him.
I'm somewhat concerned that darthfoley is "factually" the most suspicious person to you. Perhaps you can elaborate on why he is suspicious to you and how you reconcile this with your other reads.
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On November 20 2017 14:43 Tumblewood wrote:
no real scumreads so i'm gonna try the thing where you ask people questions
How's that going for you
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I'm probably going to not be around at deadline as it conflicts with my gym schedule but I'll give where i'm at right now and come to a decision before I leave
The group i'd want to lynch out of would be . df,tumble,stan,conversion,oats and ruxxar. I'm not going to consider anyone else for D1,
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First outcome would be I don't want to lynch oats, I had his name down because it had come up in the thread a few times but I actually like the vibe I get from him and he posted a few things that I found myself nodding to so he's ok.
I don't want to lynch stan, I initially didn't like how he just came out of nowhere and voted darth when the pressure was on darth. But thinking about it more and reading Stan I get the impression that he isn't trying to make friends or hang back and blend in . He was pretty aggressive early on and then just comes out of nowhere with no justification and puts the vote out there.If i'm mafia in that situation I probably say something like
"oh kelsier was scummy but seems ok now and I like the pressure people have put on df so have him as scum"
Yeh I like Stan as town the more I think about it.
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On November 21 2017 01:07 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2017 00:57 KelsierSC wrote:
I'm probably going to not be around at deadline as it conflicts with my gym schedule but I'll give where i'm at right now and come to a decision before I leave
The group i'd want to lynch out of would be . df,tumble,stan,conversion,oats and ruxxar. I'm not going to consider anyone else for D1,
Why Conversion or Ruxx? I understand Stan, Oats, and TW to an extent
This is good as I can answer you and conversion in the same post.
With conversion I didn't like the early play
On November 19 2017 19:40 KelsierSC wrote:
Good Morning,
Giving some thoughts on this early game.
Boson seems town , I feel like he is trying to perform keyhole surgery with a chainsaw but I appreciate the effort. I have played games with Chez before , it was a long time ago but he feels active and like he wants to play so i'm leaning town on him. I also liked how he pinged out conversion, who I don't really like, and then line he took with that.
With Conversion it felt like he just made some random questions/comments , didn't get any answer and retreated away. He asked why stan was mafia and don't know if he got a response. Then some weird comment about oats but said it was neutral. and just how he responded to questions, can't put my finger on why I didn't like them but not a big fan.
Maybe because it's the latest thing in the thread but Tumblewood's posts seemed really off and had a jarring effect on me.
Since then he's tried to push this Stan vote and not really done anything else but call me lazy. I haven't seen anything that counts as pressure.
As for ruxxar it's what HF and I posted about earlier with the randomness and weird focus of his play, I can give a more detailed answer if you need.
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On November 21 2017 01:15 Conversion wrote:first off, @Kelsier,.I feel like voting on the largest wagon without explaining why they're scummy, saying they're instantly the most suspicious person with 0 references in their filter to said person is the textbook definition of hanging back and trying to blend in. Show nested quote +On November 19 2017 07:57 Stanislav Petrov wrote:Lets just lynch Damdred for prodding Oats and backing off immediately Kelsier & Ruxxar look like they're doing scummy stuff together. Though without confirming if Ruxxar's game history is true, I rather slightly liked Damdreds point on dumb-telling. But ofcourse Damdred would know if Ruxxar was town since Damdred would know all the scum through association. Z-bozon I like what you're doing, let's get along muchacho! also, trying not to make friends? he has like 5 posts and you're trying to do some deeep reading that I'm not seeing from reading his filter. then all of a sudden you don't like me even though I'm clearing pressuring someone who's play looks scummy? wtf lol
This seems to be a popular yet incorrect opinion so let me respond.
All of his posts are calling people scummy and trying to get a lynch.
Plus coming back hours later with nothing in between and having to put in bold your vote like that doesn't blend in. Obviously it doesn't because everyone noticed it and was like wtf. I don't feel like mafia does that. Like you hedge your bets as mafia in that position.
I haven't liked you from the start of the game so I don't know what your last sentence is.
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On November 21 2017 01:16 Conversion wrote:I'm just going to ignore the fact that you haven't really pressured anyone either and mirror Damdred's sentiment here Show nested quote +On November 21 2017 01:11 Damdred wrote:On November 21 2017 01:09 KelsierSC wrote:
First outcome would be I don't want to lynch oats, I had his name down because it had come up in the thread a few times but I actually like the vibe I get from him and he posted a few things that I found myself nodding to so he's ok.
I don't want to lynch stan, I initially didn't like how he just came out of nowhere and voted darth when the pressure was on darth. But thinking about it more and reading Stan I get the impression that he isn't trying to make friends or hang back and blend in . He was pretty aggressive early on and then just comes out of nowhere with no justification and puts the vote out there.If i'm mafia in that situation I probably say something like
"oh kelsier was scummy but seems ok now and I like the pressure people have put on df so have him as scum"
Yeh I like Stan as town the more I think about it.
I need you to show how this is true from stans filter
As people mentioned it isn't a long filter, but it felt like every post was calling someone scummy or calling for a lynch.
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On November 21 2017 01:19 Conversion wrote:then we can agree to disagree there Show nested quote +On November 20 2017 03:51 KelsierSC wrote:Darth and Ruxxar are probably worth taking a look at. The feeling I get from rux is that he is asking people to justify or explain things that aren't that difficult to comprehend. It felt like he trying to give the illusion of activity. On November 19 2017 20:49 ruXxar wrote:On November 19 2017 07:57 Stanislav Petrov wrote:Lets just lynch Damdred for prodding Oats and backing off immediately Kelsier & Ruxxar look like they're doing scummy stuff together. Though without confirming if Ruxxar's game history is true, I rather slightly liked Damdreds point on dumb-telling. But ofcourse Damdred would know if Ruxxar was town since Damdred would know all the scum through association. I dont like this post. Its cramming too many thoughts into one post where it ends up being unlegible garbage. I'm not even sure I know what stance you are taking with this. On November 19 2017 08:10 Stanislav Petrov wrote:
Actually going to revise what I said, Kelsier was behaving suspiciously in his post at Ruxxar, not with Ruxxar.
Though nothing says they're opposite alignments either.
TLDR Kelsier bad, Ruxxar null. This followup isnt helping when I can't understand the argument you made in the first place. This followed up by asking me to explain a feeling read, I don't know how you can explain feelings. Then again I really didn't like anything darth posted and it felt like he was just trying to mimic thread opinion and almost try and pocket rux. On November 20 2017 00:18 darthfoley wrote:On November 19 2017 21:03 ruXxar wrote:On November 19 2017 19:40 KelsierSC wrote:
Maybe because it's the latest thing in the thread but Tumblewood's posts seemed really off and had a jarring effect on me.
"jarring effect"... The dude has barely posted 3 lines in total. Care to explain what you mean? Good guy Ruxx On November 20 2017 00:39 darthfoley wrote:
I still don't think Kelsier's explanation of TWs posts have been explained or believable. Like 3 one liners is not enough material to be considered jarring IMO. Makes it sound like a much more solid read than it actually is.
Maybe I'm just roasting the dude over word choice, but word choice matters On November 20 2017 00:37 darthfoley wrote:On November 20 2017 00:31 Z-BosoN wrote:On November 20 2017 00:13 darthfoley wrote:
Ruxx and Boson are probably Town Is this “Ruxx is town” echo chamber related to his meta? O feel like Im missing something. I feel like Im missing something. Also, what are your thoughts on Tumblewood and holyflare? I think Damdred's point on ruxx is decent plus his questioning of Kelsier is what i know to be town!Ruxx. TW i always think is scummy and it's the same this game. I only remember one comment by HF about mafia number game setup mechanics which is scummy. darth perhaps you can explain why I have to give a full explanation for my TW read which you don't think I have enough basis for, but you can also read TW as scummy. I probably have darth as my top lynch. I doubt that mafia darth would link up with mafia rux that hard so perhaps rux is ok I just don't think his questions are that useful. can I ask you why you have darth as your top lynch at this point in time, yet you wouldn't vote to pressure him?
In general I don't vote early , i'm going to consider my options then make my vote.
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On November 20 2017 23:01 ruXxar wrote:
I don’t want to lynch kelsier anymore.
Despite his shitty reaction earlier, he’s making up for it by being active and aggressive.
I had both Stan and Kelsey as mafia, don’t think they both are. If one between them then it’s Stan.
Don’t like tumblewood so far. Too passive and apathetic for my taste. Seems disinterested.
Koshi looks real bad so far. I’ve seen his scum before and this is the same behavior.
At the least he should be pressured to stop whatever bullshit he’s got going right now.
For a self declared town leader with god reads in previous games he hasn’t got much to show for it.
Like this is the sort of blend in post that mafia makes when you have to go against a previous read and try to get a new wagon started.
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On November 21 2017 01:04 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2017 00:47 Holyflare wrote:On November 21 2017 00:36 darthfoley wrote:
VE, Ruxx, Conversion maybe HF town
HF can you explain how Ruxx is "looking in the wrong places" or whatever you said? Examples etc Didn't like his questioning on stan or whatever his name is. Was quite obvious he meant that damdred, if mafia, would have a good town read on ruxxar. Then his posts he picks out throughout the game just seem really odd. He presses the kelsier point far too much and like I said in my post earlier to you, what is mafia kelsier's motive to lie about a post that stuck out from the thread? Seems really fucking stupid to do and a stupid line of questioning. He's just picking on things that don't align in my mind with what a towny would pick on. His scum list is basically that he couldn't understand a basic stan read and kelsier bs. ok i know you said rux was town for dumbtelling, but that seems to have disappeared and you also called ve conftown for the same thing. why is rux not conftown in your mind?
This is weird when hf has already said why he doesn't like rux.
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On November 21 2017 01:17 darthfoley wrote:
Good guy Conversion
Why is conversion town?
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I think i'd rather lynch tumble,conv or ruxxar at this point over df
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On November 21 2017 01:40 Damdred wrote:
Kel I require you nit to ignore me and expand right now on your stan read with examples. Because it reads like total bullshit
Just for you baby girl. I will bold parts where he is aggressive and calling people scum
On November 19 2017 07:57 Stanislav Petrov wrote:Lets just lynch Damdred for prodding Oats and backing off immediately Kelsier & Ruxxar look like they're doing scummy stuff together. Though without confirming if Ruxxar's game history is true, I rather slightly liked Damdreds point on dumb-telling. But ofcourse Damdred would know if Ruxxar was town since Damdred would know all the scum through association. Z-bozon I like what you're doing, let's get along muchacho!
On November 19 2017 08:10 Stanislav Petrov wrote:
Actually going to revise what I said, Kelsier was behaving suspiciously in his post at Ruxxar, not with Ruxxar.
Though nothing says they're opposite alignments either.
TLDR Kelsier bad, Ruxxar null.
On November 19 2017 08:45 Stanislav Petrov wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2017 08:39 Z-BosoN wrote:On November 19 2017 07:57 Stanislav Petrov wrote:Lets just lynch Damdred for prodding Oats and backing off immediately Kelsier & Ruxxar look like they're doing scummy stuff together. Though without confirming if Ruxxar's game history is true, I rather slightly liked Damdreds point on dumb-telling. But ofcourse Damdred would know if Ruxxar was town since Damdred would know all the scum through association. Z-bozon I like what you're doing, let's get along muchacho! If you can tell us your mafia buddies, I will be more than glad to just chill and get along. Ignore the other person that called you retarded, he's just that mean. Cooperating with us is in your best interests. Btw, let's not get too deep into these web of associations this early on. Who would you choose as scum out of KelsierSC/Ruxxar/Damdred? One pick. I'd love to be able to oblige you but since I'm not mafia I can't. Truly saddens me. Right now the order I'd like to lynch in is Damdred->KelsierSC->One of the lurkers
On November 20 2017 08:53 Stanislav Petrov wrote:
##Vote: darthfoley
I've already explained my reasoning but he is pretty aggressive early on and then just to vote out of the blue with no qualifier. IMO mafia doesn't do that.
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