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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7463 Posts
November 21 2017 04:48 GMT
#717
HEY GUYS!!!!

I'm Chezinu!

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*cries* the betrays... Darth said he would lunch me and now boson no likes me cause I work?


I am thankful that the mafia won't kill me tonight and that they will respect Brown Day.
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7463 Posts
November 21 2017 05:09 GMT
#718
HF is bye bye.
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7463 Posts
November 21 2017 05:19 GMT
#719
On November 21 2017 09:05 Z-BosoN wrote:
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On November 21 2017 09:01 Oatsmaster wrote:
Chez really?


Elimination I guess. He may have been busy irl, but today was a total no show for him.

He also went through the trouble of finding a particular post I made in 2013 where I was defending him. That can be interpreted either way, either as a mafia brag or as just a random thing that any Chez would do.

He mentioned he was telling me this so as to not get shot by mafia and not to look too townie, but his non-factor today would have been enough for that. Dunno.

It's ok Boson!!!! I'm going make tonight. You have to make the mafia think you want to lynch in the morrow. I can crazy by myself!! I can make them think they can lynch me. I love you boson!!! Wounds from friends can be trusted. I see you accuse me to protects me.. I understand.. You're a great friend.

On July 26 2013 07:56 Z-BosoN wrote:
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On July 26 2013 07:47 Lazermonkey wrote:
Z-boson, you think Koshi and Malango are scum because their play is very bad for town. I can agree with this in some ways. However, a big part of my problems with both Koshi and Malango being scum is that their play is really bonkers if they are scum. Try to analyze their actions from scum PoV and not only town PoV and see if you see what I see!


No, I think Malongo's play is very bad for town, and I haven't read koshi's filter yet.

Like I said, I originially thought Malongo's play to be weird-as-fuck to make from a scum POV.
However, remember Chezinu from nuclear mafia? Nuking MZ,a townie looking dude, for little reason? I thought that same thing, and disregarded any anti-town play coming up from chezinu. You can't base too much off of one action.

What I do know is that Malongo's play is 100% anti-town, and thus town will benefit from killing him, regardless of his alignment. And who knows, he might actually flip scum.

Think gumshoe from Nuclear, WIFOM ninja-voting. I do not regret that lynch. Same logic imo.

I've played in a game once where it ended up with grush and BillMurray (two vets who are pretty trolly and useless) in the endgame, with DarthPunk as scum. It was sad to see town ignore an uncounterclaimed cop's reads leading to the endgame and then losing, despite the game already been solved. Don't you agree, ShiaoPi? (he was the cop)

Anyways, my point is that D1 is likely a mislynch, so lets mislynch someone who we know is bad for town.

This will be the case unless Malongo decides to post and contribute with anything useful.


If I were a bunker, I would be a bank.
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7463 Posts
November 21 2017 05:45 GMT
#720
On August 22 2012 04:41 Z-BosoN wrote:
@Stutters
He has been fishing roles all game? I don't remember this, can you please find where? The only thing I can recall is him interpreting a dubious thrawn quote to say why he thinks thrawn is blue.

You basically said what's been said all game. YH uses WIFOM, is inconsistent, keeps changing his mind without specifying why. This to me is very scummy, as I've made clear for quite some time. But I will one-up this argument, I think I found something that, in my opinion will give a strong case against him.




Case against YourHarry

I will not go over again how stupid and confusing and useless his posting is, how that looks scummy, etc.
Ladies and gentlemen, the first thing YH says:

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On August 15 2012 11:48 YourHarry wrote:
My meta:

My first game, Mafia XX, where I was vanilla town

My second game XXI. Again, vanilla townie.

My third game. First half of the game, I am mafia goon. The game restarted and I drew vanilla townie.

To summarize my meta, in the first 2.5 games, I am quick to make accusations and switch my vote players with little explanation. I decided to change my meta in game 3 where I drew vanilla townie. I played more conservative to avoid suspicion.

I am not sure which meta I will choose this game


I am not sure which meta I will choose this game .
I am not sure which meta I will choose this game .
I am not sure which meta I will choose this game .

He clearly indicated that he wants to follow a certain meta. Apparently, he has already decided which one it is. He is thriving on confusion. Look at some of his quotes from previous games:

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Release, I am not Grush.

I didn't particularly find lazer monkey's post scummy. This is a newbie game. He is simply providing some guidelines on what townies should avoid - since (I assume) that his previous games have been tainted by vanilla towns claiming power roles.

BTW, I am not OMGUSing Jingle. I just find it difficult to understand why he finds me scummy, since I think I explained myself and answered all of his questions. When someone is focusing his accusation on a player based on reasonable evidence, that someone could be town or scum.

But when someone is stubborn about his accusation on a player, even after the accused player adequately explained himself, I think that someone is likely to be scum. Maybe he is not satisfied with my answers. If so, Jingle, please tell me what you still think I am scum.

Here, someone may question whether my initial vote against Hopeless also makes me scummy for above reason. But as I explained, I don't particularly find him scummy and my initial attempt to incite responses from him and others did partially succeed - mostly in the forms of accusations toward me.

##Unvote

##Vote Jingle

Release:

I maintain that it was not an OMGUS battle, at least from my perspective. I had valid reason, at least from what little was available at the time, to suspect Jingle. And if Jingle is scum, my quick reconciliation is not necessarily scummy. At best, it's WIFOM. One can argue that scums would be hesitant to dismiss each other's scuminess, in fear that 1) obvious buddying may make both of them suspicious, exactly how you are suspecting both of us 2) other's scum flip will incriminate them.

Either way, my actions on end of day 1 to place the one of the deciding votes on Hopeless (especially when I previously expressed my opinion that I didn't think hopeless was particularly scummy, I could have easily justified my vote against someone else) and my willingness to vote against Jingle now should make me unlikely to be scum.

Also, in regards to miller providing a difficulty for town victory: miller counters mafia role cop and detective is soft countered by miller. Mafia role cop is gone and detective is still alive. So, miller's value to town is at extreme minimum. Of course, if detective was nonexistant, miller would be as good as vanilla townie.


The reason why medic shouldn't claim is obvious. Night2, the scum would roleblock medic and nightkill the detective. Medic role claiming does not allow us to gather any additional information on alignment of other players. However, this means that we must come up with a consensus on who we want to lynch way prior to the deadline so that medic does have a chance to roleclaim if somehow he gets picked to be lynched.

The reason for power role claiming immediately if they received the positive result is also evident. This is because what we will do today would be clearly decided: lynch whoever received the positive result. This also allows medic to anonymously protect the powerrole who got the positive result.

The reason for claiming in order is because we don't want two power roles to reveal their identity unless it gives us additional information. This prevents second power role role claiming just in case they targeted the same player at night. I think detective claiming first makes sense, because it is a more important role - so this allows medic to protect him at night.




This is some quotes from his previous game as townie. Notice the difference? He still throws information around a bit, but notice how it is toned down and how much more reasonable he seems.

One of the first things I have said in this game is that analyzing meta is weak and doesn't constitute arguments. However, YourHarry has been constantly playing the meta game, and even said so himself in the beggining of the game. He has decided he wants to be as confusing as possible, as random, as wishy-washy as he can.

Another thing that I noticed is generally not done is analyzing the nk's. Oh, Jhuyt just died, but he was such a strong scum suspect. O well, WIFOM, scum wants us to think that blah blah blah. Not in YourHarry's case. The only consistent thing he's done is be confusing. I'm sure we can all agree with that.

I raise now two points:
1) Why would this be the meta to go for a town YourHarry? Isn't it weird how much better his play was as townie in past games? Why would town Harry want to be as confusing as possible?
2) Jhuyt nk was confusing as hell. This entirely fits YH's profile this game. I cannot for the life of me come up with a better reason to kill JHuyt other than just try to confuse town. Since YH right now is confusion in person, this raises an uncanny coincidence.

But Z-BosoN! 2) is WIFOM and analyzing meta is weak!
Well, imaginary doubting friend, I don't think that this applies here. YH is strictly playing a meta game, and not ONCE did he abandon it. He's drowning in WIFOM, but I doubt that he would have considered this when deciding who a scum YH would want to kill, because up until now, all we've done is analyze the garbage he jams on his keyboard, but not the overall picture. Let's stop wasting time trying to think what a scum Harry would do, and think more about how a scum Harry would act.

So there it is folks, I think this makes a lot of sense, and should give you one more powerful reason as to why YH is SCUM!. Think about it and tell me what you guys think. I think this is the best option right now, I can't think of a stronger reason to lynch someone else.

##Vote YourHarry


You were right that he was mafia.
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7463 Posts
November 21 2017 05:47 GMT
#721
SOOO OP SAYS mafia has to kill someone and in the event that no hit is sent, the host will choose a random townie. What if there is no mafia? What if the host will just randomly kill us each round...
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7463 Posts
November 21 2017 05:52 GMT
#722
"Let us not dwell on what scum Z-Boson would do, and think more about how a scum Z-Boson would act."

-derived from a great message by Z-Boson

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This should scares the mafia away!
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7463 Posts
November 22 2017 02:06 GMT
#864
Damdred: (0) Stanislav Petrov
KelsierSC: (0) ruXxar, Conversion
Darthfoley: (5) hapahauli, Oatsmaster, VisceraEyes, Chezinu, Stanislav Petrov, Koshi
Stanislav Petrov: (1) Conversion, Darthfoley, Damdred, hapahauli, tumblewood, ruxxar, darthfoley
Tumblewood: (1) KelsierSC, darthfoley
Koshi: (0) Ruxxar
Holyflare: (7) Z-BosoN, hapahauli, Palmar, Damdred, Conversion, darthfoley, Tumblewood

Not Voting: Holyflare


So, mafia killed Z-Boson.

Hapa started darthfoley lynch and seconded HF after voting Stan.

All Stan voters went to HF except Rux. Palmer votes HE.

Oats and VE maintain powerhouse on darth. Stan defends self by vote. Koshi inactivity sheeps powerhouse.

Kel votes random tumblewood, standing and making himself a target. Mafia did not kill Kel. Instead gives info with Z-Boson.

I still need to make my web association of likes as I noted to myself earlier. Ill now need to due it in honor of one who was well liked. I trusted your wounds my dear particle, I trusted the wounds. Now to face those who multiple kisses..
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7463 Posts
November 22 2017 04:47 GMT
#871
Ysy!! I love the eyes that see!


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To be honest, I was thinking about the fact that it has almost 10 years since I started playing mafia on this site... and I have yet to figure out how to scumhunt like a normal player. You have really cheered me up. Thanks.
I needed that.
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7463 Posts
November 22 2017 04:54 GMT
#873
Now that I think about it... Are we going to have a celebration event for 10 years of TL Mafia?
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7463 Posts
November 22 2017 05:00 GMT
#874
February 08 2008 21:55 CST



TL MAFIA 10 Year Aniversity

MeGa Game!


CHEZINU FINALLY HOSTS A GAME!
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7463 Posts
November 22 2017 07:06 GMT
#876
Wow. I just went back to the first Mafia game. It all started from people playing mafia at www.staredit.net. People did not have deep personas. The regular speech in those games was kind of refreshing to read. Reading it seemed like it was a bunch of people in real life just relaxing and having a good time. A game pretty much free from vulgarities. Mafia was not exempt from regular teamliquid bans. They use to be extremely strict back then. As a result, people behaved well. Once people got competitive, we had a few individuals get ugly during the games. They were scolded by hosts for this back then. Some members left the community. Others justified it as saying it was part of the game. During these times, some of us started focusing on having fun over competitive winning (as school for me in real life was competitive enough - I wanted to have fun when playing mafia and not lose sight of why I started playing). People enjoyed my trolling which I was hesitant at first. Some pretended to hate it in the game and I believed them. Then find out post game they were just saying that because they were mafia. I slowly started to troll more and more when realizing people wanted me to troll. There came a point where I tried playing normal again, but then habitually started trolling again. I also found I played better when playing the trolling act. Thus, the house of brown formed, which order is explained elsewhere. There is so much history to cover in TL MAFIA. From beginning as clue games to having no clues, which people at first thought it wasn't possible to read people from text only, until some great players proved otherwise in an experimental game without clues. Clue games creating red herring eventually became unheard of. After many rounds of normal games, the community craved something new rather than rehashing the same games which were becoming predictable. At this time, new players were more likely to get lynch and the big names ruled the town. The size of a typical game became 30 players and day and night was still 24 hours each. The 48 hour days came later and I developed a habit of trolling the first 24 hours. Anyways, the community wanted something new. Theme games came, at first very sparsely. Then at one point, normal games were rare. The trolls and insanity increased in correlation with theme games. Because they were themed, they weren't real mafia - thus less competition and less fighting. Big names, who use to run town and way back became mayors, were retiring. RL took them as they acquired jobs and focused on their careers. Some attempted to stay playing less well as their former glory. Skilled players half heartedly playing the game torn between responsibilities. Those who left became but a memory. Those who stayed became trolls. Inactivity tarnished the reputation of those who once rule. But with that the next generation of players emerges. Those still in school with ample time to play and still find excitement in winning and fear of dying. Most long term players developed apathy towards death and winning. The game became the journey and the style in which one played.

..yeah I'm totally not mafia as my nostalgia is giving me more interest than this game where everyone leaves when I'm here.
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7463 Posts
November 23 2017 18:57 GMT
#977
Happy Brown Day!!!!
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7463 Posts
November 24 2017 00:11 GMT
#1052
Looks like a blue died on Brown Day. How fitting.
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7463 Posts
November 24 2017 00:14 GMT
#1053
I have another 5 hour drive tomorrow. Activity should pick up after that.

Going to filter dive hapa now
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7463 Posts
November 24 2017 00:18 GMT
#1054
That was short..

don't think Stan is mafia


I know it's night, but even with this I don't think mafia will kill stan. So, I'll assume that's a check.

Dear Hapa,

I see your summons. My innermost thoughts are classified.
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7463 Posts
November 24 2017 00:27 GMT
#1056
On November 22 2017 11:06 Chezinu wrote:
Damdred: (0) Stanislav Petrov
KelsierSC: (0) ruXxar, Conversion
Darthfoley: (5) hapahauli, Oatsmaster, VisceraEyes, Chezinu, Stanislav Petrov, Koshi
Stanislav Petrov: (1) Conversion, Darthfoley, Damdred, hapahauli, tumblewood, ruxxar, darthfoley
Tumblewood: (1) KelsierSC, darthfoley
Koshi: (0) Ruxxar
Holyflare: (7) Z-BosoN, hapahauli, Palmar, Damdred, Conversion, darthfoley, Tumblewood

Not Voting: Holyflare


So, mafia killed Z-Boson.

Hapa started darthfoley lynch and seconded HF after voting Stan.

All Stan voters went to HF except Rux. Palmer votes HE.

Oats and VE maintain powerhouse on darth. Stan defends self by vote. Koshi inactivity sheeps powerhouse.

Kel votes random tumblewood, standing and making himself a target. Mafia did not kill Kel. Instead gives info with Z-Boson.

I still need to make my web association of likes as I noted to myself earlier. Ill now need to due it in honor of one who was well liked. I trusted your wounds my dear particle, I trusted the wounds. Now to face those who multiple kisses..



Damdred: (0) Stanislav Petrov
KelsierSC: (0) ruXxar, Conversion
Darthfoley: (5) hapahauli, Oatsmaster, VisceraEyes, Chezinu, Stanislav Petrov, Koshi
Stanislav Petrov: (1) Conversion, Darthfoley, Damdred, hapahauli, tumblewood, ruxxar, darthfoley
Tumblewood: (1) KelsierSC, darthfoley
Koshi: (0) Ruxxar
Holyflare: (7) Z-BosoN, hapahauli, Palmar, Damdred, Conversion, darthfoley, Tumblewood

Not Voting: Holyflare


Typical mafia strategy is to scatter votes when multiple townies are lynched.

Rux, you still around?
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7463 Posts
November 24 2017 00:29 GMT
#1057
On November 24 2017 09:21 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2017 09:14 Chezinu wrote:
I have another 5 hour drive tomorrow. Activity should pick up after that.

Going to filter dive hapa now

More like paddle than dive

Hey, did you ever hear of the I die you die tactic when was a mad detective in mini mafia 2? Anyways, make the shot count tonight.
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7463 Posts
November 24 2017 00:33 GMT
#1058
Rux accused you oats.. he took the bait. As if he knew you knew.
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7463 Posts
November 24 2017 04:35 GMT
#1060
On November 24 2017 13:26 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2017 09:29 Chezinu wrote:
On November 24 2017 09:21 Oatsmaster wrote:
On November 24 2017 09:14 Chezinu wrote:
I have another 5 hour drive tomorrow. Activity should pick up after that.

Going to filter dive hapa now

More like paddle than dive

Hey, did you ever hear of the I die you die tactic when was a mad detective in mini mafia 2? Anyways, make the shot count tonight.

Hey

Don't worry we got Stan!
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7463 Posts
November 25 2017 04:41 GMT
#1105
Oh geez. I was sleeping both BE and oats as I thought they were powerhouse town. Now I actually have to scumhunt myself..
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