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On October 12 2017 02:46 Damerion wrote:
##riot
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On October 12 2017 08:35 Damerion wrote:
Perhaps the best policy this game is to lynch Conversion first.
Nu-uh!
It's tradition to always lynch a newbie day 1. 
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My role PM says VT.
Case closed.
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Good day fecal feast.
How you doin on this fine day?
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Welcome to TL mafia krogan.
VT is indeed the best flavor.
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Being mafia is very stressful in your first game.
You become uptight, unsure of how to act.
Your opening posts signals to me that you're telling the truth.
I believe you are what you say you are.
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On October 13 2017 06:18 Holyflare wrote:
I'm not VT.
Don't worry, I'll be your bodyguard.
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On October 13 2017 06:19 happykrogan wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2017 06:14 ruXxar wrote:
Being mafia is very stressful in your first game.
You become uptight, unsure of how to act.
Your opening posts signals to me that you're telling the truth.
I believe you are what you say you are. Yes. I'd like to play mafia in a later game, but I'm happy that I can play normally my first time.
Hah, careful what you wish for...
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On October 13 2017 06:20 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2017 06:10 ruXxar wrote:
Good day fecal feast.
How you doin on this fine day? It's raining super hard so pretty good. I wish i wasn't at work though.
Rain is better than snow.
Which we are about to get too damn soon.
Everyone who hasn't posted is mafia
That math is a bit sketchy.
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On October 13 2017 06:25 Grackaroni wrote:
Hello hello I am the Grackaroni.
Dual wielding mafia games, you must have strong arms.
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On October 13 2017 06:22 Damdred wrote:
I am also not a VT.
Is that not convenient for how the game will go!
Don't pull a fast one on me damdred.
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On October 13 2017 06:29 Fecalfeast wrote:
Everyone who's not me is mafia except the noob who posted that hes vt
Can I be you?
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On October 13 2017 06:32 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2017 06:30 ruXxar wrote:On October 13 2017 06:29 Fecalfeast wrote:
Everyone who's not me is mafia except the noob who posted that hes vt Can I be you? I get asked that a lot but sadly no. You're trying too hard
Blasted.
I'll find a way to get into your pants.
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On October 13 2017 06:35 darthfoley wrote:I'm not not VT
Is there an echo in here?
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On October 13 2017 06:36 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2017 06:35 ruXxar wrote:On October 13 2017 06:32 Fecalfeast wrote:On October 13 2017 06:30 ruXxar wrote:On October 13 2017 06:29 Fecalfeast wrote:
Everyone who's not me is mafia except the noob who posted that hes vt Can I be you? I get asked that a lot but sadly no. You're trying too hard Blasted. I'll find a way to get into your pants. Wow things are escalating quickly here.
I can't help myself. His charm is irresistable.
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On October 13 2017 06:37 darthfoley wrote:
I can't believe my last game played was in August. I apologize to everyone for my glorious absence
I missed you foley.
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On October 13 2017 06:38 Damerion wrote:
Hello good people of TLMafia, it is pleasurable that we meet again.
Firstly I am going to approach this game slightly different than I did last game, I will do much more town hunting and see if I can POE a scum team into oblivion instead of finding a few slips early and pounding the ever living hell out of the person into submission.
Secondly as the setup is much different than last game, we should do our best not to talk about roles or claim them unless in supreme danger, especially the newer players should be aware of this. And that is the last thing I will say about roles.
My first to early townread is on FecalFeast, general tone and playful approach to the game points to a more than likely chance of being town at this point in time. If you look at his previous games his posts were a bit more guarded and just generally lacked the playful approach he has shown at this point.
The second thing is HappyKrogan postings are interesting, (I know I am already sliding backwards) in comparison to other people who have posted the posts feel forced and have this sense of wanting to fit in. It also draws my eyebrow upwards how he keeps referring to himself as just normal VT. My first game as scum I had an almost identical entrance post because I just did not know how to interact with the people in the game. I think he is worth watching especially as his reads develop or fail to achieve.
I also did not dislike RuxXar opening salvo of posts even if it is not super indicative at this moment in time, he was playful and did not seem angry at others having fun. So I have a good feeling about him at present.
You got 2 out of 3 right. Not bad!
Krogans post might look forced, but it's not indicative of mafia just yet.
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On October 13 2017 06:42 Damdred wrote:
To cool for school list:
Rux
Damerion
FF
Grackybaby
To awesome to ignore
df
But I like school...
No wait, I didn't. Carry on.
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On October 13 2017 06:42 Damdred wrote:
To cool for school list:
Rux
Damerion
FF
Grackybaby
To awesome to ignore
df
What is this category damdred?
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On October 13 2017 06:47 Damerion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2017 06:43 ruXxar wrote:On October 13 2017 06:38 Damerion wrote:
Hello good people of TLMafia, it is pleasurable that we meet again.
Firstly I am going to approach this game slightly different than I did last game, I will do much more town hunting and see if I can POE a scum team into oblivion instead of finding a few slips early and pounding the ever living hell out of the person into submission.
Secondly as the setup is much different than last game, we should do our best not to talk about roles or claim them unless in supreme danger, especially the newer players should be aware of this. And that is the last thing I will say about roles.
My first to early townread is on FecalFeast, general tone and playful approach to the game points to a more than likely chance of being town at this point in time. If you look at his previous games his posts were a bit more guarded and just generally lacked the playful approach he has shown at this point.
The second thing is HappyKrogan postings are interesting, (I know I am already sliding backwards) in comparison to other people who have posted the posts feel forced and have this sense of wanting to fit in. It also draws my eyebrow upwards how he keeps referring to himself as just normal VT. My first game as scum I had an almost identical entrance post because I just did not know how to interact with the people in the game. I think he is worth watching especially as his reads develop or fail to achieve.
I also did not dislike RuxXar opening salvo of posts even if it is not super indicative at this moment in time, he was playful and did not seem angry at others having fun. So I have a good feeling about him at present. You got 2 out of 3 right. Not bad! Krogans post might look forced, but it's not indicative of mafia just yet. I agree it is not quite mafia indicative as of yet, however it is worth watching how he develops as the game goes on. If he continues to be so forced it will be worth connecting, if he does not well it was just a newer person being a bit difficult. And I really wish that Damdred would post more than just a random list, I miss the days when I would look forward to reading his posts and mighty cases. Now he is just a sheep I must shepherd across the finish line who sometimes pouts and hides his head nobody listens to him.
I dont know. List posts vs phone posts... in russian...
I might prefer the list posts.
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I do enjoy talking to damdred though.
Always a lovely chap with time for everyone and not a hint of animosity.
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On October 13 2017 06:52 Damdred wrote:
Meh I will ignore your liytle jabs damerion because Ill just lynch you if you get to annoying.
As for tha category ruxy, I think his entrance was a bit eh, his follow up post did make me chuckle a d people who make me laugh are rarely scum.
No matter how old you get, never give up your inner child.
Words I live by every day.
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On October 13 2017 06:59 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2017 06:43 ruXxar wrote:
You got 2 out of 3 right. Not bad!
Krogans post might look forced, but it's not indicative of mafia just yet. dude what the heck, you townread him for the post then you now just waffled back to calling him mafia not just yet??? #vote rux
Good to see you too oats.
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Now what shall I have for pre-bed snack.
A banana or a ham and cheese sandwich.
Man.. we humans were just not built to deal with these kind of dilemmas.
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On October 13 2017 07:11 Fecalfeast wrote:
Ham banana cheese
Its going to be the next peanut butter jelly I tell ya.
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On October 13 2017 07:12 Holyflare wrote:
Damerion sounds like a robot from outer space trying to fit in with civil talk like us humans do.
He's like the batman. All too serious.
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On October 13 2017 07:31 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2017 07:04 ruXxar wrote:On October 13 2017 06:59 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 13 2017 06:43 ruXxar wrote:
You got 2 out of 3 right. Not bad!
Krogans post might look forced, but it's not indicative of mafia just yet. dude what the heck, you townread him for the post then you now just waffled back to calling him mafia not just yet??? #vote rux Good to see you too oats. Tell me why you suddenly think Krogan's post isnt townie
It's townie.
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On October 13 2017 07:52 Conversion wrote:
I'm basically a noob so
sup everyone
But you're my noob <3 <3
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On October 13 2017 07:52 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2017 07:06 ruXxar wrote:
Now what shall I have for pre-bed snack.
A banana or a ham and cheese sandwich.
Man.. we humans were just not built to deal with these kind of dilemmas. banana
I couldn't decide... so I ate both.
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On October 13 2017 07:54 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2017 07:53 ruXxar wrote:On October 13 2017 07:52 Conversion wrote:
I'm basically a noob so
sup everyone But you're my noob <3 <3 I still am salty at myself for lynching you even though you screamed town in that one game.. CCCP
The memory still pains me...
Nonetheless prepare to encounter a lot more salty moments.
There will be times when the game rides on a single vote, and you'll be sitting there voting the wrong guy.
Or you're sitting there with a gun shooting the wrong guy.
The key is to realize that the chance of being wrong is always higher than the chance of being right.
Being wrong is the norm, so don't beat yourself up over it.
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On October 13 2017 07:59 Fecalfeast wrote:
Damdred trying to pocket damerion, ruxxar ignoring oats calling him a liar. Relevant? We shall see.
I think damdred just has a crush on damerion. Not surprising to be honest.
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On October 13 2017 08:02 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2017 08:00 ruXxar wrote:On October 13 2017 07:54 Conversion wrote:On October 13 2017 07:53 ruXxar wrote:On October 13 2017 07:52 Conversion wrote:
I'm basically a noob so
sup everyone But you're my noob <3 <3 I still am salty at myself for lynching you even though you screamed town in that one game.. CCCP The memory still pains me... Nonetheless prepare to encounter a lot more salty moments. There will be times when the game rides on a single vote, and you'll be sitting there voting the wrong guy. Or you're sitting there with a gun shooting the wrong guy. The key is to realize that the chance of being wrong is always higher than the chance of being right. Being wrong is the norm, so don't beat yourself up over it. yeah I was in LYLO for my first game back before LS folded  what are your thoughts on oats placing a vote on you and calling you a liar?
It's typical oats.
Sees ghosts everywhere.
I don't attribute any malicious intent to it just yet.
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On October 13 2017 08:09 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2017 08:05 ruXxar wrote:On October 13 2017 07:59 Fecalfeast wrote:
Damdred trying to pocket damerion, ruxxar ignoring oats calling him a liar. Relevant? We shall see. I think damdred just has a crush on damerion. Not surprising to be honest. So you'll speak for damdred but not yourself...
Sometimes it's better to say nothing at all.
Give them a piece of rope and let them do the rest.
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On October 13 2017 10:38 MrLonelyClock wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2017 06:38 Damerion wrote:
Hello good people of TLMafia, it is pleasurable that we meet again.
Firstly I am going to approach this game slightly different than I did last game, I will do much more town hunting and see if I can POE a scum team into oblivion instead of finding a few slips early and pounding the ever living hell out of the person into submission.
Secondly as the setup is much different than last game, we should do our best not to talk about roles or claim them unless in supreme danger, especially the newer players should be aware of this. And that is the last thing I will say about roles.
My first to early townread is on FecalFeast, general tone and playful approach to the game points to a more than likely chance of being town at this point in time. If you look at his previous games his posts were a bit more guarded and just generally lacked the playful approach he has shown at this point.
The second thing is HappyKrogan postings are interesting, (I know I am already sliding backwards) in comparison to other people who have posted the posts feel forced and have this sense of wanting to fit in. It also draws my eyebrow upwards how he keeps referring to himself as just normal VT. My first game as scum I had an almost identical entrance post because I just did not know how to interact with the people in the game. I think he is worth watching especially as his reads develop or fail to achieve.
I also did not dislike RuxXar opening salvo of posts even if it is not super indicative at this moment in time, he was playful and did not seem angry at others having fun. So I have a good feeling about him at present. First half is garbage. Let people play how they want. Its early in the game so the reads I would say are kinda forced but that can be expected. However having 3 reads this early just seems like you want to throw out the "HEY IM POSTING A LOT, LOOK AT THIS TOWNIE". Also your posts kinda annoy me. It's as if I'm reading a novel and not actually having a conversation. Feels like talking (or typing) to a wall of sorts.
Bold post coming from a newbie.
Likely town.
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On October 13 2017 13:14 Onegu wrote:
Hey onegu here. I am smack dab in the middle of blue and yellow on the spectrum.
Ill check again in a bit.
Blue and yellow? Better go to the doctor.
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On October 13 2017 07:17 Holyflare wrote:
I literally just played with him. Sounds completely different to me.
Different how?
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On October 13 2017 15:59 Holyflare wrote:
In the way that I outlined in my only other post.
Could you be more specific?
I look at his opening post this game and the one from the last game and they look the same.
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On October 13 2017 17:28 Holyflare wrote:
More specific? I didn't feel like he was a robot that game and now I do.
I'm not seeing what you're seeing, or you're trying to portray something that isn't there.
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On October 13 2017 17:56 Holyflare wrote:
Whoever the newbie was being aggressive btw is super townie. Forget who it was.
So you like the guy who agrees with you about damerion.
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On October 13 2017 20:43 Conversion wrote:
can’t really read df or grack, but that’s not really suprising since I couldn’t before anyways. null
oats is a tad bit aggressive for my taste but I think that’s just how he plays from what I’m observing. can any vets confirm? ruxxar sort confirmed in my last question
damerion slayed last game so I’m gonna put him in the wary pile as I do with all great players
HF being HF... less fiery though (burnt out maybe?) sorry I still don’t and won’t fully 100% townread you (although I say that and always end up townreading :l) I do like that we had same thoughts about lonelyclock man
FF being fluffy and vague but last time I pushed for his lynch he flipped town.. don’t like his play really
There's something about you that really makes me like you Conversion.
I don't want to lynch you.
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Going to form a Poe list later tonight.
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On October 13 2017 22:38 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2017 13:14 Onegu wrote:
Hey onegu here. I am smack dab in the middle of blue and yellow on the spectrum.
Ill check again in a bit. also can someone tell me if this is generally how people like onegu/rels/etc. plays? like one post AFK then big posts later also none of the newbies really catch my eye besides lonelyclock man, so there's that anyone else I didn't mention I'm reserving further judgment until later
Onegu is a low activity poster.
Don't expect there to even be a big post later.
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On October 13 2017 20:43 Conversion wrote:
can’t really read df or grack, but that’s not really suprising since I couldn’t before anyways. null
oats is a tad bit aggressive for my taste but I think that’s just how he plays from what I’m observing. can any vets confirm? ruxxar sort confirmed in my last question
damerion slayed last game so I’m gonna put him in the wary pile as I do with all great players
HF being HF... less fiery though (burnt out maybe?) sorry I still don’t and won’t fully 100% townread you (although I say that and always end up townreading :l) I do like that we had same thoughts about lonelyclock man
FF being fluffy and vague but last time I pushed for his lynch he flipped town.. don’t like his play really
What do you mean by wary of damerion? Town lean, scum lean, null?
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On October 13 2017 19:31 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2017 18:53 ruXxar wrote:On October 13 2017 17:56 Holyflare wrote:
Whoever the newbie was being aggressive btw is super townie. Forget who it was. So you like the guy who agrees with you about damerion. I don't like the points he make too much (throwing out reads is ok) but I like him for his passion. His other posts are a bit too nervous looking for me though so I take it back. Minorly.
So... your current read of the guy is what?
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On October 13 2017 23:03 happykrogan wrote:
Just realized that ruxxar has the biggest filter of everyone, but as far as I can see doesn't really push the game forward. Just posting fluff, town leans and pretty harmless questions.
Don't underestimate the value of making people talk.
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On October 13 2017 23:08 happykrogan wrote:
You might very well be my first scunlean.
It's a very addicting feeling once you think you've caught a mafia.
A rush of emotions compelling you to lynch me.
Then comes the hard part of convincing others that you are right.
Why can't they just see and understand all the obvious telltale signs that you are seeing?
It's an eternal struggle. Don't give up if you truly believe it.
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On October 13 2017 23:15 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2017 22:43 ruXxar wrote:On October 13 2017 20:43 Conversion wrote:
can’t really read df or grack, but that’s not really suprising since I couldn’t before anyways. null
oats is a tad bit aggressive for my taste but I think that’s just how he plays from what I’m observing. can any vets confirm? ruxxar sort confirmed in my last question
damerion slayed last game so I’m gonna put him in the wary pile as I do with all great players
HF being HF... less fiery though (burnt out maybe?) sorry I still don’t and won’t fully 100% townread you (although I say that and always end up townreading :l) I do like that we had same thoughts about lonelyclock man
FF being fluffy and vague but last time I pushed for his lynch he flipped town.. don’t like his play really
What do you mean by wary of damerion? Town lean, scum lean, null? I'm just wary of people that are clearly leagues above me in playing forum mafia since they can seem super towny as I'm pretty bad at determining what is scummy behavior vs. what is overly aggressive town behavior etc. etc. from what I saw from Damerion last game he seems good enough to bamboozle me, so I'm just keeping him at a hard null like I usually do with HF
It's ok to be wary. No need to expend any more energy on him.
You don't need to lynch him right now.
If he's playing and contributing, leave him be for a couple days. Gather more information before you make up your mind.
Strong players are good at masking themselves, so whatever clues you think you see now could just be false positives.
You need to catch them by observing them over a longer period of time.
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On October 13 2017 23:19 happykrogan wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2017 23:16 ruXxar wrote:On October 13 2017 23:08 happykrogan wrote:
You might very well be my first scunlean. It's a very addicting feeling once you think you've caught a mafia. A rush of emotions compelling you to lynch me. Then comes the hard part of convincing others that you are right. Why can't they just see and understand all the obvious telltale signs that you are seeing? It's an eternal struggle. Don't give up if you truly believe it. lol It's just a scumlean not a scumread. But this post didn't help.
Mm.
So you think I'm possibly scum.
You should try asking me some questions to further determine my alignment.
Maybe pick a certain post that you felt was really scummy and make me explain it.
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Let me ask you a question Krogan.
Which is more scummy
To post fluff or
To not post anything at all
Where does mafia thrive?
What kind of environment in the game is optimal for mafia?
A lively game or a silent game.
I don't want an answer. I just want you to think about it.
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On October 13 2017 23:38 happykrogan wrote:
So you're my coach now?
II think the questions you asked conversion about conversion about damerion and holyflare about lonelyclock just have pretty obvious answers and could be just there for the reason that the people see that you ask questions.
flood control appeared and I have to wait...
I would have posted this immedieatly otherwise
It's a newbie game, so I'm taking the liberty of giving you some friendly advice.
By all means, do your own thing.
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See, the thing is that activity by itself is not a sole measure of towniness.
And if you asked me, I wouldn't say that I'm even trying very hard to solve the game right now.
Right now you're undermining the intelligence of the rest of the players in the game by assuming that they don't see that I'm posting fluff.
I'm pretty sure they do know.
And if they don't know, then I can confirm that is exactly what I'm doing.
Your post was a good idea, don't get get me wrong, but in my experience it's a terrible scum indicator.
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On October 13 2017 23:58 Holyflare wrote:
I can confirm you're posting irrelevant trash that has obvious answers and leads the game nowhere, Ruxxar.
Thanks HF, I knew I could count on you to back me up.
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On October 14 2017 00:01 Holyflare wrote:
Happy is my biggest town read by a country mile at the moment. His posts about Ruxxar are on point. It's a perfect mafia strategy to be active but not post content and just appear to be asking "relevant" questions. Which is what is happening.
I don't know what you're trying to achieve Ruxxar.
I'm not trying to achieve anything right now. Just small talk for the most part.
I don't have any friends to talk to, so this is all I got.
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On October 14 2017 00:06 happykrogan wrote:
Because of Holyflare's posts my lean is now a read BTW
Be careful letting other people manipulate you.
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On October 14 2017 00:03 Holyflare wrote:
It would be a completely different situation if you took what people were saying and formulated some kind of read based on their answers but the questions you ask don't lead to meaningful answers that let you draw these conclusions.
A very closed-minded thought.
There's more than one way to read people.
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On October 14 2017 00:03 Holyflare wrote:
And you then pretty much try and coach him out of a good read.
I'm giving him good advice, since it's a terrible read.
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On October 14 2017 00:15 Fecalfeast wrote:
Like I said early on, ruxxar is trying too hard
My dear. This is when the game becomes exciting.
I can feel the tension in the air.
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Come closer, I'll show you.
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On October 14 2017 01:40 Grackaroni wrote:
lol RuXxar what are you doing you're burying yourself here. The response to being pushed for babbling is not to continue babbling and giving out generic coaching tips.
You have to turn up the heat for people to drop their clothes.
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Let me entertain you with some reads.
Xenon
+ Show Spoiler +On October 13 2017 14:19 xenonn40 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2017 06:10 happykrogan wrote:Hi I'm really relieved that I'm just a normal VT in my first game. Exactly what I hoped for Sounds like something a mafia would say. This is a strong opening statement from a newbie. Expecting more timidness from a first timer scum.
Damerion
+ Show Spoiler +On October 13 2017 06:38 Damerion wrote:
Hello good people of TLMafia, it is pleasurable that we meet again.
Firstly I am going to approach this game slightly different than I did last game, I will do much more town hunting and see if I can POE a scum team into oblivion instead of finding a few slips early and pounding the ever living hell out of the person into submission.
Secondly as the setup is much different than last game, we should do our best not to talk about roles or claim them unless in supreme danger, especially the newer players should be aware of this. And that is the last thing I will say about roles.
My first to early townread is on FecalFeast, general tone and playful approach to the game points to a more than likely chance of being town at this point in time. If you look at his previous games his posts were a bit more guarded and just generally lacked the playful approach he has shown at this point.
The second thing is HappyKrogan postings are interesting, (I know I am already sliding backwards) in comparison to other people who have posted the posts feel forced and have this sense of wanting to fit in. It also draws my eyebrow upwards how he keeps referring to himself as just normal VT. My first game as scum I had an almost identical entrance post because I just did not know how to interact with the people in the game. I think he is worth watching especially as his reads develop or fail to achieve.
I also did not dislike RuxXar opening salvo of posts even if it is not super indicative at this moment in time, he was playful and did not seem angry at others having fun. So I have a good feeling about him at present. Strong and clear reads. Consistent meta from last game. On October 13 2017 06:47 Damerion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2017 06:43 ruXxar wrote:On October 13 2017 06:38 Damerion wrote:
Hello good people of TLMafia, it is pleasurable that we meet again.
Firstly I am going to approach this game slightly different than I did last game, I will do much more town hunting and see if I can POE a scum team into oblivion instead of finding a few slips early and pounding the ever living hell out of the person into submission.
Secondly as the setup is much different than last game, we should do our best not to talk about roles or claim them unless in supreme danger, especially the newer players should be aware of this. And that is the last thing I will say about roles.
My first to early townread is on FecalFeast, general tone and playful approach to the game points to a more than likely chance of being town at this point in time. If you look at his previous games his posts were a bit more guarded and just generally lacked the playful approach he has shown at this point.
The second thing is HappyKrogan postings are interesting, (I know I am already sliding backwards) in comparison to other people who have posted the posts feel forced and have this sense of wanting to fit in. It also draws my eyebrow upwards how he keeps referring to himself as just normal VT. My first game as scum I had an almost identical entrance post because I just did not know how to interact with the people in the game. I think he is worth watching especially as his reads develop or fail to achieve.
I also did not dislike RuxXar opening salvo of posts even if it is not super indicative at this moment in time, he was playful and did not seem angry at others having fun. So I have a good feeling about him at present. You got 2 out of 3 right. Not bad! Krogans post might look forced, but it's not indicative of mafia just yet. I agree it is not quite mafia indicative as of yet, however it is worth watching how he develops as the game goes on. If he continues to be so forced it will be worth connecting, if he does not well it was just a newer person being a bit difficult. And I really wish that Damdred would post more than just a random list, I miss the days when I would look forward to reading his posts and mighty cases. Now he is just a sheep I must shepherd across the finish line who sometimes pouts and hides his head nobody listens to him. Earnest and genuine request. Has a carefree and playful touch to it.
Oatsmaster
+ Show Spoiler +Is being his typical hard headed self. Straight to the point. No sugar coating, even abrasive to some.
Is lacking in reading comprehension,but puts himself way out there.
Unlikely to come from mafia.
MyLonelyLock
+ Show Spoiler +On October 13 2017 10:38 MrLonelyClock wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2017 06:38 Damerion wrote:
Hello good people of TLMafia, it is pleasurable that we meet again.
Firstly I am going to approach this game slightly different than I did last game, I will do much more town hunting and see if I can POE a scum team into oblivion instead of finding a few slips early and pounding the ever living hell out of the person into submission.
Secondly as the setup is much different than last game, we should do our best not to talk about roles or claim them unless in supreme danger, especially the newer players should be aware of this. And that is the last thing I will say about roles.
My first to early townread is on FecalFeast, general tone and playful approach to the game points to a more than likely chance of being town at this point in time. If you look at his previous games his posts were a bit more guarded and just generally lacked the playful approach he has shown at this point.
The second thing is HappyKrogan postings are interesting, (I know I am already sliding backwards) in comparison to other people who have posted the posts feel forced and have this sense of wanting to fit in. It also draws my eyebrow upwards how he keeps referring to himself as just normal VT. My first game as scum I had an almost identical entrance post because I just did not know how to interact with the people in the game. I think he is worth watching especially as his reads develop or fail to achieve.
I also did not dislike RuxXar opening salvo of posts even if it is not super indicative at this moment in time, he was playful and did not seem angry at others having fun. So I have a good feeling about him at present. First half is garbage. Let people play how they want. Its early in the game so the reads I would say are kinda forced but that can be expected. However having 3 reads this early just seems like you want to throw out the "HEY IM POSTING A LOT, LOOK AT THIS TOWNIE". Also your posts kinda annoy me. It's as if I'm reading a novel and not actually having a conversation. Feels like talking (or typing) to a wall of sorts. Strong accusations straight out of the gate. Honest and genuine tone. Does not filter or sugar coat his opinion. Can clearly see through to the intentions behind his post with no apparent malicious agenda. Not expected from newbie mafia.
Conversion
+ Show Spoiler +Speaks his mind freely.
Conversation flows naturally.
Not guarded in speech and not afraid to step on peoples toes
Happykrogan
+ Show Spoiler +Was initially green. Moved down after this post. On October 14 2017 00:06 happykrogan wrote:
Because of Holyflare's posts my lean is now a read BTW Was having a lean on me, but afraid to commit without the backing/validation of another player
Holyflare
Grackaroni
Fecalfeast
Onegu
Damdred
coolTLname
darthfoley
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On October 14 2017 02:03 MrLonelyClock wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2017 22:34 ruXxar wrote:
Going to form a Poe list later tonight. Still waiting... Show nested quote +On October 13 2017 23:56 ruXxar wrote:On October 13 2017 23:38 happykrogan wrote:
So you're my coach now?
II think the questions you asked conversion about conversion about damerion and holyflare about lonelyclock just have pretty obvious answers and could be just there for the reason that the people see that you ask questions.
flood control appeared and I have to wait...
I would have posted this immedieatly otherwise
It's a newbie game, so I'm taking the liberty of giving you some friendly advice. By all means, do your own thing. -- See, the thing is that activity by itself is not a sole measure of towniness. And if you asked me, I wouldn't say that I'm even trying very hard to solve the game right now. Right now you're undermining the intelligence of the rest of the players in the game by assuming that they don't see that I'm posting fluff. I'm pretty sure they do know. And if they don't know, then I can confirm that is exactly what I'm doing. Your post was a good idea, don't get get me wrong, but in my experience it's a terrible scum indicator. This is all according to your logic: - activity doesn't make you town (therefore you fluff doesn't necessarily make you town) - not trying to solve the game (anti-town mentality, only useful for mafia) - agrees that has been posting fluff None of this is helpful to town in any way. I think rux is probably scum now. The only "useful" thing coming from him is that people are posting about him mostly, but there are better ways to get people involved.
1)
Activity is not a sole indicator of towniness. But more often than not, active people are town, with some exceptions.
Mafia has no need to drive the game from day 1 unless they are feeling pressured.
With the town to mafia ratio being the way it is, town is most likey to lynch one of their own, while mafia can throw out weak sheeps or town reads of the lynch target to get post flip karma.
2)
To me there's two ways to solve the game.
There's the active way, were you make reads, pressure and push people.
This is what people refer to when they say "Solving the game". Aka what oats is doing.
Then there's the passive way, where you make yourself vulnerable and allow people to push you.
This requires you to make yourself a target that people want to engage with, by performing actions that people find dubious.
The end result of both methods is the same, you usually end up in a heated debate with some people where emotions shine through and you're able to get a better read on them.
No matter if I'm pushing people or the one being pushed by people, I'm getting information that I can use to form reads and in the end I will be able to make a better informed decision when choosing my lynch target.
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On October 14 2017 03:42 Conversion wrote:
I think the biggest problem with activity-based indicators on scum is that half or more of TL mafia's meta is to just go AFK for 12 hours and then make a no-substance post, then go AFK again until half or more of the cycle is gone. either that or you have people like HF (not necessarily in this game) just being the shining beacon of activity whether he's scum or not, so I'd be wary of that. case in point like half of this game is AFK right now.
that really screws with reading people based on activity, and it makes it harder for me to read people who are active because I am inclined to believe anyone who is posting (within their respective time zone) is town, but that's just because I'm bad
ruxx what's your opinion on grack saying oats looks more forced than the previous 2 games he just played as town?
1) It's not a two way equality.
Active posters are more likely to be town than mafia. think of it as an "activity bonus".
If you're inactive then the inactivity has no bearing on your alignment, which means you have to look at other things.
2) I don't agree with gracks opinion. I didn't read the games he posted, but from previous engagements with oats I have no reason to believe his meta to be any different now from when he was town.
I think he's entering a blind alley, but I'd like to see him push it further.
If he's just going to throw out that 1 post and fish for feedback, then It's going to affect my opinion of him negatively.
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On October 14 2017 03:50 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 03:24 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 03:10 Grackaroni wrote:I'm going to give a read that I don't think too many people will agree with but I think Oatsmaster is mafia. In this game he seems less chill compared to Hurricane and I get the sense in a few posts that he's questioning things that look unusual rather than things that I think he would normally find scummy. On October 13 2017 11:42 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 13 2017 07:59 Fecalfeast wrote:
Damdred trying to pocket damerion, ruxxar ignoring oats calling him a liar. Relevant? We shall see. whats the point of this post? On October 13 2017 11:43 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 13 2017 09:10 Damdred wrote:
But seriously pocmeting people is super impkrtant in the long run for survival Can you explain why a townie wants to pocket people to survive? I left links so you can decide for yourself between the first two pages of each game, but it seems to me like he cares more about his image in this game than the other one. (he was town in hurricane.) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/527379-newbie-student-mafia-xxvii?user=Oatsmasterhttp://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/526614-hurricane-shelter-mafia?user=Oatsmaster to me he just looks like he pushes his own agenda and doesn't give a shit really http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/526062-names-are-hard-2?user=OatsmasterI'm not seeing what you're seeing, so can you explain how he looks different in the first two games compared to this one? I'm going to guess that Oats is town in that game you linked and check before I post. Yeah ok HF/Damdred/Onegu were scum but obviously town is always a more likely guess since more people roll town. I do think he looks pretty different in both of those games in the way that he accuses people. In those 2 he throws out accusations without much fanfare. Hurricane: Show nested quote +On September 29 2017 11:51 Oatsmaster wrote:On September 29 2017 11:23 Damerion wrote:
Hello, I am glad to be here playing with you fine people. Damdred speaks highly of everyone here, and I hope the game is enjoyable.
I have two things that came to mind when I read what little of the game there is.
1) Grackaroni opening post, to put it bluntly is trash. At the same time he says nothing of value and tries to buddy fecalfeast (I assume) into making an alliance when it is impossible for him to know alignments.
Unless he is mafia, which associative read incoming means FecalFeast is more likely town for the way Grackaroni interacted with him.
2) I have come up with a pretty simple plan how to approach d1.
Step one: The marksman (vig), should claim as soon as town agrees with this plan (which they should).
Step two: We should use this power as a second lynch and have a vote in thread to direct the power.
Step three: Mafia is more than likely forced into a situation where they must let the Vigilante shoot and kill him, or roleblock him. The simplest solution is to put the watcher on the Vigilante N1.
Step Four: The medic should be off doing medic things more than likely on another target, if the mafia send the godfather and kill the Vigilante nothing is lost, if they roleblock him we instantly have a one and one trade.
Step Five: I assume medic cannot protect multiple nights in a row, therefore if the Vigilante survives the medic should protect him here and the Watcher should look elsewhere.
This plan gives us the most information that we can control and boxes the mafia into only a few moves they can make early in the game.
I think we should follow this plan. mafia Show nested quote +On September 29 2017 15:20 Oatsmaster wrote:On September 29 2017 12:21 Damerion wrote:
I am unsure why you have me as mafia Oatsmaster, could you expound on why you think that?
Vivax why is directing blues in that way not pro-town? We would gain a good bit of information by controlling multiple lynches or kp, and have confirmed town for multiple days leading the town towards a strong circle.
mainly because having a second lynch really doesnt matter. Show nested quote +On September 29 2017 16:37 Oatsmaster wrote:
filter links plz
i think its pretty scumy Show nested quote +On September 30 2017 01:23 Oatsmaster wrote:On September 29 2017 22:48 Vivax wrote:
I really have no idea what is wrong with my statement. It didn't bother me much when Oats pointed it out since his read on me is always shit, but to both of you it should be obvious that it simply means claiming afk = claiming scum and if two mafias claimed scum already, then the game will be too easy and boring.
With HF there's a decent chance he actually just said it cause he did it as mafia just last game and he thinks it's funny to mess with the reads on him. But for Koshi I see no such excuse. lol Names are Hard 2: Show nested quote +On August 26 2017 02:18 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 25 2017 05:47 Tumblewood wrote:On August 25 2017 05:44 Koshi wrote:
I am pretty unhappy TW, LS and Damdred left the thread. nope i'm still here i just haven't cared enough to say anything else mafia On August 25 2017 06:21 geript wrote:On August 25 2017 06:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
geript are you town? I'm the towniest of all. Also, I'm pretty sure that Koshi is mafia. His post towards you and asking about Damdred's townread is pretty out of place. As Town, you love to lynch stupid; it's like your kryptonite. But as mafia you have much less of a hardon for stupid from what I've seen and just push 85% bullshit. Koshi not getting this after the last two games is pretty odd; especially since Tina brought it up in generic and Koshi was bussing her at various points. mafia geript doesnt actually care about getting koshi lynched. He just wants to sidetrack town. Show nested quote +On August 26 2017 02:24 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 25 2017 06:10 LightningStrike wrote:
I was giving rayn his time to talk to Skynx while watching Impractical Jokers. Skynx being a bit combative towards rayn hmm. Is this normal behavior from Skynx as either alignment for those who got good amount of experience playing with him? Useless question. On August 25 2017 08:37 LightningStrike wrote:On August 25 2017 08:06 geript wrote:On August 25 2017 07:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 25 2017 06:44 Tumblewood wrote:
because that is the same meta geript uses on me all the time I am not sure if i believe this so this is a reminder to myself to check something on this tomorrow. It's not exactly true... From Generic: On July 14 2017 03:12 geript wrote:
I remember TW when he was a newbie. I remember his not being boring/dull/. Like he had some good observations (wrong but good) then. His scum game IIRC was much lower activity and struggled to post almost anything. He's likely a good lynch too. The thing is that during the last abortion of a game, when I was reading TW (in MS Paint Judge mafia) I was comparing him to older games to get can idea of any other meta reads I could use to push him. It's something that I noticed from his town play and something that HF picked up and agreed with in the game. On August 25 2017 06:21 Koshi wrote:On August 25 2017 06:14 geript wrote:I kinda like TW for town. Mostly because of this post: On August 25 2017 05:47 Tumblewood wrote:On August 25 2017 05:44 Koshi wrote:
I am pretty unhappy TW, LS and Damdred left the thread. nope i'm still here i just haven't cared enough to say anything else In part for flippant in part because Town!TW says what he thinks.
Everyone passing around the LS townread when they should know better is a bit weird.1/20 If you want to make 20 posts. It is better that you explain everything you claim. The bolded is completely unexplained and gives us nothing. LS is easy to read. I don't see why it is weird and I townread Damdred and Vivax for seeing it and calling it early. It generates discussion and easy townreads make mafia nervous. Mafia doesn't like easy townreads you see. Then they make comments like you just did. A few things here: 1. Only bad mafia hate early townreads. Like it's often quite easy to call someone town, move them into a situation where they look bad, rescind the townread and push them for lynch. I am not bad mafia. 2. LS in at least 1 game (though as far as I remembered multiple games) as scum has mimicked his "town puppy" persona to get townread and survived until endgame on it. Passing around a bad read is on the other hand makes it easy for scum to blend in. Hell, last game I basically literally just took what town was already thinking, repackaged it into nicer, newer, and better thinking and sold it as my own. On August 25 2017 06:55 Koshi wrote:
I dislike he scumreads me. Especially because he scumreads me because I don't meta townread rayn for a reason I would not meta read rayn town for. On August 25 2017 07:21 Koshi wrote:
For the record. I recognize the points made against Skynx. I do not know if it makes him mafia.
I think there is a chance still that he is town that made a very bad post.
geript on the other hand came in with a typical lazy mafia post. As town something in the thread would have triggered him, something about Koshi, rayn, HF or Vivax. Even Damdred maybe. But because he is mafia and lazy nothing really did, so he made an easy TW comment because he is "helping". When rayn confronted him he had to make something up and called rayn town and in the same breath called Koshi mafia because he isn't calling rayn town.
I do not believe town!geript makes that koshi read only after surrendering a town!rayn read. I think town!geript would have made that Koshi read while catching up and would have posted that instead of the TW town read.
I do believe mafia geript played lazy and showed face.
This is my read. Accept it. Who's getting mad about early townreads now Koshi? Koshi is scumreading me for scumreading him for not townreading rayn. Silliness aside. Hold with me, it's a bit circuitous but it's here. I've made it quite obvious on numerous occasions that I fucking hate playing scum when HF is town; as such, when I'm scum I basically become his thread bitch because I don't know how else to buy time in order to gain control of the thread until I get to NK HF. But the same is not true of Rayn. I know how to fuck with Rayn's head as mafia; I know what he looks at and looks for and can throw out a hook to get him super distracted. 1. As mafia, I gain nothing by giving Rayn an early townread and actually surrender thread control; which btw, I don't do as mafia (except for HF or maybe Marv but Marv because he's a fucking sexy beast). So his argument is not only bad, it's also incorrect. Vivax I haven't really played with in a while and I haven't had a correct read on him for a long time. Damdred I read town for how he reads people with "Damdred" reads and how he shows specific lines of thinking as town that he doesn't as scum. HF I read based on what he's pushing and why he's pushing; it's kinda a feels read but mostly based on him pushing "good things." Rayn I read based on what he's pushing and how he pushes; he likes to lynch bad as town and picks up on completely different things as mafia (example the Judge game where almost every time he came in the thread he pushed stupid shit that was bad). 2. When I make a read on Rayn for doing town!Rayn things, it's me being scum. When I don't comment on things about Vivax, HF, or Damdred because I'm either lacking any way to accurately read them (Vivax), I haven't seen them do things to read them town yet (Damdred), or I'm getting mixed vibes from (HF), then I'm scum. When I post about Koshi, I'm both scum for something not triggering me to post something about him AND scum for posting what I posted. Like, that's a pretty fucking weird argument for Koshi to be making at the same time; he's usually a bit more lazy as scum, and arguing both sides of the coin in the same post is pretty fucking weird for Town!Koshi to do. 3. Come at me bro 3/20 Yes I know I fooled people in the past in 2 of my scum games but Damdred usually gets me right except a few times when he either almost gets me mislynched or actually got me lynched on shannies. Damdred helped me a bit on my scum game I will tell you that as he was in a scum team with me where we almost won had it not been for sicklucker not giving a shit for a couple of cells (Cell Millionaire). Trust Damdred's read on me. Its interesting(scummy) how he says "trust" damdred's read when he doesnt know damdred's alignment. Or does he??? On August 25 2017 08:39 LightningStrike wrote:
Side note I think Damdred could be town this game as well as rayn and Koshi just need them to stop fighting each other. Also this is a pretty big "side" note that LS just brushes under. He isnt trying to find mafia, hes just going with the status quo and waiting for things to happen. Show nested quote +On August 26 2017 02:25 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 25 2017 18:21 Vivax wrote:On August 25 2017 18:12 Holyflare wrote:On August 25 2017 17:58 Vivax wrote:
And geript ACTUALLY posted a townie seal, why is he even up for discussion. 100 % confirmed town. No, 90% for adding a lot of text I will read later. But it really wasn't necessary with the seal. Has he ever posted it before? No idea but the idea is so abstruse to think of as mafia that I have to take it at face value. Uneccesary town read without an alternative. possible mafia. In this game I get the sense that he's putting on more of a show of pressuring people and looking useful.
I don't see it grack. His tone is no different this game than from those games you quoted.
Is your main issue that he doesn't use the word "Mafia" when calling out people?
Because I think that is a weak argument when the message is still delivered with the same intention, tone and intensity.
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On October 14 2017 04:10 happykrogan wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 03:36 ruXxar wrote:On October 14 2017 02:03 MrLonelyClock wrote:On October 13 2017 22:34 ruXxar wrote:
Going to form a Poe list later tonight. Still waiting... On October 13 2017 23:56 ruXxar wrote:On October 13 2017 23:38 happykrogan wrote:
So you're my coach now?
II think the questions you asked conversion about conversion about damerion and holyflare about lonelyclock just have pretty obvious answers and could be just there for the reason that the people see that you ask questions.
flood control appeared and I have to wait...
I would have posted this immedieatly otherwise
It's a newbie game, so I'm taking the liberty of giving you some friendly advice. By all means, do your own thing. -- See, the thing is that activity by itself is not a sole measure of towniness. And if you asked me, I wouldn't say that I'm even trying very hard to solve the game right now. Right now you're undermining the intelligence of the rest of the players in the game by assuming that they don't see that I'm posting fluff. I'm pretty sure they do know. And if they don't know, then I can confirm that is exactly what I'm doing. Your post was a good idea, don't get get me wrong, but in my experience it's a terrible scum indicator. This is all according to your logic: - activity doesn't make you town (therefore you fluff doesn't necessarily make you town) - not trying to solve the game (anti-town mentality, only useful for mafia) - agrees that has been posting fluff None of this is helpful to town in any way. I think rux is probably scum now. The only "useful" thing coming from him is that people are posting about him mostly, but there are better ways to get people involved. 1) Activity is not a sole indicator of towniness. But more often than not, active people are town, with some exceptions. Mafia has no need to drive the game from day 1 unless they are feeling pressured. With the town to mafia ratio being the way it is, town is most likey to lynch one of their own, while mafia can throw out weak sheeps or town reads of the lynch target to get post flip karma. 2) To me there's two ways to solve the game. There's the active way, were you make reads, pressure and push people. This is what people refer to when they say "Solving the game". Aka what oats is doing. Then there's the passive way, where you make yourself vulnerable and allow people to push you. This requires you to make yourself a target that people want to engage with, by performing actions that people find dubious. The end result of both methods is the same, you usually end up in a heated debate with some people where emotions shine through and you're able to get a better read on them. No matter if I'm pushing people or the one being pushed by people, I'm getting information that I can use to form reads and in the end I will be able to make a better informed decision when choosing my lynch target. Ok that's interesting. I don't know yet if I believe you but it sounds logical. I unvote for now and observe if your posts get better. I'm not a fan of your list post though. I actually hope you are town. You made me laugh with your defense. BTW does anyone else think it's mafia indicative that Holyflare's posts raised my confidence? Ok wait while writing I changed my opinion. My vote is in a good place. You did'nt get better. I let the post how it is you can follow my thought process.
What was it that HF posted that changed your lean into a read?
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On October 14 2017 04:33 happykrogan wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 04:26 ruXxar wrote:On October 14 2017 04:10 happykrogan wrote:On October 14 2017 03:36 ruXxar wrote:On October 14 2017 02:03 MrLonelyClock wrote:On October 13 2017 22:34 ruXxar wrote:
Going to form a Poe list later tonight. Still waiting... On October 13 2017 23:56 ruXxar wrote:On October 13 2017 23:38 happykrogan wrote:
So you're my coach now?
II think the questions you asked conversion about conversion about damerion and holyflare about lonelyclock just have pretty obvious answers and could be just there for the reason that the people see that you ask questions.
flood control appeared and I have to wait...
I would have posted this immedieatly otherwise
It's a newbie game, so I'm taking the liberty of giving you some friendly advice. By all means, do your own thing. -- See, the thing is that activity by itself is not a sole measure of towniness. And if you asked me, I wouldn't say that I'm even trying very hard to solve the game right now. Right now you're undermining the intelligence of the rest of the players in the game by assuming that they don't see that I'm posting fluff. I'm pretty sure they do know. And if they don't know, then I can confirm that is exactly what I'm doing. Your post was a good idea, don't get get me wrong, but in my experience it's a terrible scum indicator. This is all according to your logic: - activity doesn't make you town (therefore you fluff doesn't necessarily make you town) - not trying to solve the game (anti-town mentality, only useful for mafia) - agrees that has been posting fluff None of this is helpful to town in any way. I think rux is probably scum now. The only "useful" thing coming from him is that people are posting about him mostly, but there are better ways to get people involved. 1) Activity is not a sole indicator of towniness. But more often than not, active people are town, with some exceptions. Mafia has no need to drive the game from day 1 unless they are feeling pressured. With the town to mafia ratio being the way it is, town is most likey to lynch one of their own, while mafia can throw out weak sheeps or town reads of the lynch target to get post flip karma. 2) To me there's two ways to solve the game. There's the active way, were you make reads, pressure and push people. This is what people refer to when they say "Solving the game". Aka what oats is doing. Then there's the passive way, where you make yourself vulnerable and allow people to push you. This requires you to make yourself a target that people want to engage with, by performing actions that people find dubious. The end result of both methods is the same, you usually end up in a heated debate with some people where emotions shine through and you're able to get a better read on them. No matter if I'm pushing people or the one being pushed by people, I'm getting information that I can use to form reads and in the end I will be able to make a better informed decision when choosing my lynch target. Ok that's interesting. I don't know yet if I believe you but it sounds logical. I unvote for now and observe if your posts get better. I'm not a fan of your list post though. I actually hope you are town. You made me laugh with your defense. BTW does anyone else think it's mafia indicative that Holyflare's posts raised my confidence? Ok wait while writing I changed my opinion. My vote is in a good place. You did'nt get better. I let the post how it is you can follow my thought process. What was it that HF posted that changed your lean into a read? It just gave me confidence that a he townread me, said my read was good and saw the same things like me (You trying to coach me away from my read for example).
And what do you make of the fact that he called your scum read on me "the best read in the game", but he himself is neither calling me scum nor voting for me?
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On October 14 2017 04:56 happykrogan wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 04:47 ruXxar wrote:On October 14 2017 04:33 happykrogan wrote:On October 14 2017 04:26 ruXxar wrote:On October 14 2017 04:10 happykrogan wrote:On October 14 2017 03:36 ruXxar wrote:On October 14 2017 02:03 MrLonelyClock wrote:On October 13 2017 22:34 ruXxar wrote:
Going to form a Poe list later tonight. Still waiting... On October 13 2017 23:56 ruXxar wrote:On October 13 2017 23:38 happykrogan wrote:
So you're my coach now?
II think the questions you asked conversion about conversion about damerion and holyflare about lonelyclock just have pretty obvious answers and could be just there for the reason that the people see that you ask questions.
flood control appeared and I have to wait...
I would have posted this immedieatly otherwise
It's a newbie game, so I'm taking the liberty of giving you some friendly advice. By all means, do your own thing. -- See, the thing is that activity by itself is not a sole measure of towniness. And if you asked me, I wouldn't say that I'm even trying very hard to solve the game right now. Right now you're undermining the intelligence of the rest of the players in the game by assuming that they don't see that I'm posting fluff. I'm pretty sure they do know. And if they don't know, then I can confirm that is exactly what I'm doing. Your post was a good idea, don't get get me wrong, but in my experience it's a terrible scum indicator. This is all according to your logic: - activity doesn't make you town (therefore you fluff doesn't necessarily make you town) - not trying to solve the game (anti-town mentality, only useful for mafia) - agrees that has been posting fluff None of this is helpful to town in any way. I think rux is probably scum now. The only "useful" thing coming from him is that people are posting about him mostly, but there are better ways to get people involved. 1) Activity is not a sole indicator of towniness. But more often than not, active people are town, with some exceptions. Mafia has no need to drive the game from day 1 unless they are feeling pressured. With the town to mafia ratio being the way it is, town is most likey to lynch one of their own, while mafia can throw out weak sheeps or town reads of the lynch target to get post flip karma. 2) To me there's two ways to solve the game. There's the active way, were you make reads, pressure and push people. This is what people refer to when they say "Solving the game". Aka what oats is doing. Then there's the passive way, where you make yourself vulnerable and allow people to push you. This requires you to make yourself a target that people want to engage with, by performing actions that people find dubious. The end result of both methods is the same, you usually end up in a heated debate with some people where emotions shine through and you're able to get a better read on them. No matter if I'm pushing people or the one being pushed by people, I'm getting information that I can use to form reads and in the end I will be able to make a better informed decision when choosing my lynch target. Ok that's interesting. I don't know yet if I believe you but it sounds logical. I unvote for now and observe if your posts get better. I'm not a fan of your list post though. I actually hope you are town. You made me laugh with your defense. BTW does anyone else think it's mafia indicative that Holyflare's posts raised my confidence? Ok wait while writing I changed my opinion. My vote is in a good place. You did'nt get better. I let the post how it is you can follow my thought process. What was it that HF posted that changed your lean into a read? It just gave me confidence that a he townread me, said my read was good and saw the same things like me (You trying to coach me away from my read for example). And what do you make of the fact that he called your scum read on me "the best read in the game", but he himself is neither calling me scum nor voting for me? He could be mafia trying to influence me so that I am loud and set you up for a mislynch while staying in the background. He could also think it is a good read but want to wait until he decides. There is over a day left. You could be mafia trying to manipulate me against holyflare. I don't know and I'm looking forward to find out
You're in the right state of mind. Very good answer.
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I'm moving you back up to my town list krogan.
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On October 14 2017 05:17 Holyflare wrote:
happykrogan
MyLonelyLock
Conversion <-- could be being buddied, will return later with an update
darthfoley
ruXxar
xenonn40
Damerion
Oatsmaster
Grackaroni
Fecalfeast
Onegu
Damdred
coolTLname
that is all
Explain darth foley.
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On October 13 2017 07:11 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2017 06:59 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 13 2017 06:43 ruXxar wrote:
You got 2 out of 3 right. Not bad!
Krogans post might look forced, but it's not indicative of mafia just yet. dude what the heck, you townread him for the post then you now just waffled back to calling him mafia not just yet??? #vote rux I think this is a good catch.I also feel wary about Damerion, though his Fecalfeast read is very likely correct.
On October 14 2017 03:10 Grackaroni wrote:
I'm going to give a read that I don't think too many people will agree with but I think Oatsmaster is mafia.
In this game he seems less chill compared to Hurricane and I get the sense in a few posts that he's questioning things that look unusual rather than things that I think he would normally find scummy.
So Grack. You called this a good catch from oats then right after you called him mafia.
That doesn't add up in my head. It seems too drastic a flip without even questioning oats about any of this posts.
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On October 14 2017 08:55 Holyflare wrote:
I haven't seen anything really really good to sheep yet. Is that a problem?
So what is this all about?
On October 13 2017 23:35 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2017 23:03 happykrogan wrote:
Just realized that ruxxar has the biggest filter of everyone, but as far as I can see doesn't really push the game forward. Just posting fluff, town leans and pretty harmless questions. Best read of the game imo. On October 14 2017 00:01 Holyflare wrote:
Happy is my biggest town read by a country mile at the moment. His posts about Ruxxar are on point. It's a perfect mafia strategy to be active but not post content and just appear to be asking "relevant" questions. Which is what is happening.
I don't know what you're trying to achieve Ruxxar. On October 14 2017 00:03 Holyflare wrote:
It would be a completely different situation if you took what people were saying and formulated some kind of read based on their answers but the questions you ask don't lead to meaningful answers that let you draw these conclusions.
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I've been on the edge of calling HF mafia since the interaction between him and krogan.
The backseat mafia driving is ringing bells in my head.
There's no congruence between his words and actions.
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He calls krogans read on me the best read in the game, yet he makes no effort at all to push it any further.
After the strong salvo of encouragement for krogan, he just let it drop and appears to have lost all interest.
I'm parking my vote on HF as the most likely mafia for the moment.
In any case I hope it makes him wake up and show some interest in the game.
##vote Holyflare
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I'm also adding Grack to my town list.
I feel like his activity and engagement in this game is sharp and focused.
He's taking an active part in calling out oats, and he's not backing down when challenged.
Current list:
Xenon
+ Show Spoiler +On October 13 2017 14:19 xenonn40 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2017 06:10 happykrogan wrote:Hi I'm really relieved that I'm just a normal VT in my first game. Exactly what I hoped for Sounds like something a mafia would say. This is a strong opening statement from a newbie. Expecting more timidness from a first timer scum.
Damerion
+ Show Spoiler +On October 13 2017 06:38 Damerion wrote:
Hello good people of TLMafia, it is pleasurable that we meet again.
Firstly I am going to approach this game slightly different than I did last game, I will do much more town hunting and see if I can POE a scum team into oblivion instead of finding a few slips early and pounding the ever living hell out of the person into submission.
Secondly as the setup is much different than last game, we should do our best not to talk about roles or claim them unless in supreme danger, especially the newer players should be aware of this. And that is the last thing I will say about roles.
My first to early townread is on FecalFeast, general tone and playful approach to the game points to a more than likely chance of being town at this point in time. If you look at his previous games his posts were a bit more guarded and just generally lacked the playful approach he has shown at this point.
The second thing is HappyKrogan postings are interesting, (I know I am already sliding backwards) in comparison to other people who have posted the posts feel forced and have this sense of wanting to fit in. It also draws my eyebrow upwards how he keeps referring to himself as just normal VT. My first game as scum I had an almost identical entrance post because I just did not know how to interact with the people in the game. I think he is worth watching especially as his reads develop or fail to achieve.
I also did not dislike RuxXar opening salvo of posts even if it is not super indicative at this moment in time, he was playful and did not seem angry at others having fun. So I have a good feeling about him at present. Strong and clear reads. Consistent meta from last game. On October 13 2017 06:47 Damerion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2017 06:43 ruXxar wrote:On October 13 2017 06:38 Damerion wrote:
Hello good people of TLMafia, it is pleasurable that we meet again.
Firstly I am going to approach this game slightly different than I did last game, I will do much more town hunting and see if I can POE a scum team into oblivion instead of finding a few slips early and pounding the ever living hell out of the person into submission.
Secondly as the setup is much different than last game, we should do our best not to talk about roles or claim them unless in supreme danger, especially the newer players should be aware of this. And that is the last thing I will say about roles.
My first to early townread is on FecalFeast, general tone and playful approach to the game points to a more than likely chance of being town at this point in time. If you look at his previous games his posts were a bit more guarded and just generally lacked the playful approach he has shown at this point.
The second thing is HappyKrogan postings are interesting, (I know I am already sliding backwards) in comparison to other people who have posted the posts feel forced and have this sense of wanting to fit in. It also draws my eyebrow upwards how he keeps referring to himself as just normal VT. My first game as scum I had an almost identical entrance post because I just did not know how to interact with the people in the game. I think he is worth watching especially as his reads develop or fail to achieve.
I also did not dislike RuxXar opening salvo of posts even if it is not super indicative at this moment in time, he was playful and did not seem angry at others having fun. So I have a good feeling about him at present. You got 2 out of 3 right. Not bad! Krogans post might look forced, but it's not indicative of mafia just yet. I agree it is not quite mafia indicative as of yet, however it is worth watching how he develops as the game goes on. If he continues to be so forced it will be worth connecting, if he does not well it was just a newer person being a bit difficult. And I really wish that Damdred would post more than just a random list, I miss the days when I would look forward to reading his posts and mighty cases. Now he is just a sheep I must shepherd across the finish line who sometimes pouts and hides his head nobody listens to him. Earnest and genuine request. Has a carefree and playful touch to it.
Oatsmaster
+ Show Spoiler +Is being his typical hard headed self. Straight to the point. No sugar coating, even abrasive to some.
Is lacking in reading comprehension,but puts himself way out there.
Unlikely to come from mafia.
MyLonelyLock
+ Show Spoiler +On October 13 2017 10:38 MrLonelyClock wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2017 06:38 Damerion wrote:
Hello good people of TLMafia, it is pleasurable that we meet again.
Firstly I am going to approach this game slightly different than I did last game, I will do much more town hunting and see if I can POE a scum team into oblivion instead of finding a few slips early and pounding the ever living hell out of the person into submission.
Secondly as the setup is much different than last game, we should do our best not to talk about roles or claim them unless in supreme danger, especially the newer players should be aware of this. And that is the last thing I will say about roles.
My first to early townread is on FecalFeast, general tone and playful approach to the game points to a more than likely chance of being town at this point in time. If you look at his previous games his posts were a bit more guarded and just generally lacked the playful approach he has shown at this point.
The second thing is HappyKrogan postings are interesting, (I know I am already sliding backwards) in comparison to other people who have posted the posts feel forced and have this sense of wanting to fit in. It also draws my eyebrow upwards how he keeps referring to himself as just normal VT. My first game as scum I had an almost identical entrance post because I just did not know how to interact with the people in the game. I think he is worth watching especially as his reads develop or fail to achieve.
I also did not dislike RuxXar opening salvo of posts even if it is not super indicative at this moment in time, he was playful and did not seem angry at others having fun. So I have a good feeling about him at present. First half is garbage. Let people play how they want. Its early in the game so the reads I would say are kinda forced but that can be expected. However having 3 reads this early just seems like you want to throw out the "HEY IM POSTING A LOT, LOOK AT THIS TOWNIE". Also your posts kinda annoy me. It's as if I'm reading a novel and not actually having a conversation. Feels like talking (or typing) to a wall of sorts. Strong accusations straight out of the gate. Honest and genuine tone. Does not filter or sugar coat his opinion. Can clearly see through to the intentions behind his post with no apparent malicious agenda. Not expected from newbie mafia.
Conversion
+ Show Spoiler +Speaks his mind freely.
Conversation flows naturally.
Not guarded in speech and not afraid to step on peoples toes
Happykrogan
+ Show Spoiler +Thinks critically about the game.
Puts himself in a very vulnerable spot.
Not backing down, not afraid to explain his thoughs.
Grackaroni
+ Show Spoiler +Taking a more active and enaged role in the game.
Not afraid to be bold and throw out unorthodox reads.
Doesn't back down when challenged
Holyflare
+ Show Spoiler +No congruence between his words and his actions.
Backseat mafia driving and manipulation.
Not committed to anything.
Doesn't need to take an active role since currently only town is up for lynch.
Fecalfeast
Onegu
Damdred
coolTLname
darthfoley
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On October 14 2017 07:17 darthfoley wrote:Okay, so i really like happykrogan guy. Which makes me also like HF, because he drew the same conclusion that I did: I doubt a newbie like krogan would be this active and not be afraid to call someone out as first time mafia. I think ruxxar is town, but I can understand why people-- especially new players-- might interpret his play as mafia. I also think Oats is more likely town than not. He was one of the first players to get the game moving, and I like his pressure on the LonelyClock dude. Still waiting for an answer on this, I think Show nested quote +On October 13 2017 15:34 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 13 2017 14:49 MrLonelyClock wrote:
I agreed about ruxxar posting fluff. Me voting on ruxxar != me thinking he is mafia atm. But I can see how you could come to that conclusion now. I guess we will have to disagree on the counterpoints validity.
So why are you voting for him? Don't like Damdred or FF right now. FF: Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 00:15 Fecalfeast wrote:
Like I said early on, ruxxar is trying too hard Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 01:52 Fecalfeast wrote:
Tbh i think ruxxar not giving a shit seems towny This progression is odd and without any sort of explanation. The first post also doesn't say anything. People can try hard from either alignment. Also strikes me as odd that he's scum reading Damerion for unearned town read on FF... Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 03:31 Fecalfeast wrote:On October 14 2017 02:45 MrLonelyClock wrote:
fecal if you think ruxxar is towny then who do you think currently is the most scummy then (can be 1 or more)? Damerion for giving me a town read for basocally no reason. Seems tmi to me When Damdred has somehow managed to townread like 6 people and put them into "no lynch" pile just 24h into the game. Yet no mention of Damdred. It's like he doesn't exist. Speaking of Damdred Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 03:21 Damdred wrote:
Ok, so I feel a little guilty at this point in time and I will try to be tge old Damdred this game.
Fact check away on my reads this train aint got no breaks and i aint got time to quote on phone.
Town Reads:
Damerion, he has this thing he does as town where he will have this skrt of mission statement about how he will approach the game. He has checked that, he gives clear concise reada with hard reasoning behind it, done. He also seems to try to draw people into conversation instead of existing.
Rux rux baby: Off the cuff read, the eay he responds to the pressure is town. Does t care, tries to be helpful and then establishes where he wants to be in the game. I think hes just going to be town for the tone and the lressure, but his reads were not bad.
If anyone tries to lynch rux at least today I will let slip the dogs of war and create chaos.
FF: Hey buddy we should work together, care free attitude. Gives some opinions still a bit weak on a few points, overall would not kynch today.
Gracky: Posts his thoughts, goes against thread sentiment a post or two ago. Seems to be looking where others dont, no lynch today.
Oats: Seemed to be reading the game a d his lressure wasnt horrid. It is defi ately not top town worthy but enough for a pass.
Xenon and nylonelylock are both town i feel for how they approached the game as newbs. Meh they were soitting fire earlier
Everyone else is in this null range besides hf who I love dearly but am ignoring until he wants cuddles. Besides the fact that Damdred has only given vague town/null leans on virtually every active player, one read sticks out to me as more scummy than others. Damdred's read on FF feels fabricated. FF "gives some opinions" but FF is "weak on a few points" yet Damdred would still not lynch him today. He never specifies what points he's weak on, doesn't try to follow up with FF and clarify those "weak points." Talk about an unearned town read. So I have no idea why FF isn't scum reading Damdred considering his self imposed criteria regarding Damerion.
I like this post. Good nuanced observations that mafia wouldn't pick up on.
Especially the damerion vs damdred comparison on fefe.
Fefe is really close to entering my scum pile.
Damdred still null.
Darth foley goes on town pile for solid display of attention to fine details.
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On October 14 2017 19:57 Holyflare wrote:
Why would I vote you when you're on my town pile?
???
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On October 14 2017 21:15 Holyflare wrote:
Do you think my list is most scummy to least scummy or something?
Why would I think that?
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On October 14 2017 21:37 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 21:21 ruXxar wrote:On October 14 2017 21:15 Holyflare wrote:
Do you think my list is most scummy to least scummy or something? Why would I think that? Then why are you confused that I'm not voting you?
Because you intentionally made your list post confusing.
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On October 14 2017 22:11 Holyflare wrote:
No I didn't. All the good people are in tiers and then there's a collection of trash at the bottom.
What are the tiers, and why are people in them?
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On October 14 2017 22:20 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 22:14 ruXxar wrote:On October 14 2017 22:11 Holyflare wrote:
No I didn't. All the good people are in tiers and then there's a collection of trash at the bottom. What are the tiers, and why are people in them? You're just gonna have to figure that out, sweetcheeks.
Nah, I'm good thanks.
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Fefe, can I get a list post from you?
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On October 15 2017 00:37 Holyflare wrote:
Voted xennon. Ruxxar why aren't you trying to get me hammered into the ground?
Because it's not going to work.
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On October 14 2017 12:32 xenonn40 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 11:06 MrLonelyClock wrote:
Hey xennon I see you voted for oatsmaster. Any reason? You haven't posted anything for a while and nothing worthwhile. Why the vote without explanation? Because I think Rex is town, and Oatsmaster is the only alternative at the moment, and the first to vote for Rex.
Hey xenon.
Can you please explain your thought process behind this post.
What do you mean when you say that oats is the only alternative?
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On October 15 2017 02:06 Holyflare wrote:
Also duly noted that Ruxxar is still voting me after saying he doesn't think I'm that mafia-y anymore and criticising me for not voting earlier.
Quote the post where I said that you aren't mafia.
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Lynching damerion is the absolutely dumbest thing we can do right now.
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On October 15 2017 02:09 xenonn40 wrote:
Wow, a lot has happened since I went to bed. I will start explaining my thoughts. Will take a second to find the relevant posts.
Thanks. Much appreciated.
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On October 15 2017 02:27 Holyflare wrote:
nobody gives a shit about your unqualified and terrible opinion though
Apparently you do since you're so scared of them you feel the need to call them terrbile.
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On October 15 2017 02:30 Fecalfeast wrote:
oh yeah darthfoley seems more towny than conversion, contrary to what HF thinks
I agree with this sentiment.
Darthfoley is either clearly town or/and more experienced than conversion.
Darth foley came out of that interaction looking way better than conversion.
I felt conversion was squirming around clamoring to any defense he could muster up.
I think you need to calm down conversion and refocus your effort. I feel like right now your reads are all over the place and you're having trouble staying above water.
Take a short breather and clear your mind.
I was on the edge of changing my vote to conversion seeing as how that went down, but I'm holding back a bit after you bounced back a bit with the list post.
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The secondary red flag is xenon. His post explaining his vote was terrible. I'm awaiting his explanation before pursuing further action.
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On October 15 2017 02:42 Holyflare wrote:
NOW you think xenonn is looking bad??????????
he looks so fucking new now
Yes he's lynchbait, but lets give him a chance to explain his vote shall we?
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On October 15 2017 02:29 Fecalfeast wrote:
scumish
oats - seems mafia, tone read i guess
Can you expound on this? I want to know what you're refering to.
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On October 15 2017 03:01 xenonn40 wrote:
I did not think Ruxxar was Mafia, a kind of arbitrary opinion at this point, to be honest, but I did think the fact that there were three votes for him immediately seemed suspicious. I felt like only people who have real information (mafia) would have a reason to gang up on someone at this point. If this is right, and we lynched one of Oatsmaster, MrLonelyClock , or happykrogan, we could have a good idea that one of the other two, if not both were mafia, which would give us very helpful information. Since Oatsmaster was the only other person voted for at the time, he was "the only other option" to.
This is exactly what I was looking for and makes me understand where you're coming from.
I feel good about you now.
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On October 15 2017 02:29 Damdred wrote:
Well good doctor sir, I think in the mess Damerion posted he did have a good point about Oats, which was masked by his inability to get over a macro read.
So I am willing to listen towards Oats, but the way the sith is acting towards conv is a bit diaconcerting.
I don't like this post of yours damdred.
Damerion was in fact pushing for a grack lynch, not an oats lynch.
Why are you misrepresenting his message?
On October 15 2017 00:57 Damerion wrote:
The meat of the post was about how Grackaroni acted and treated Oatsmaster.
I will admit it is possible a light bus this early is possible, but I will make a decision on that at a later date.
Right now thoughts about Grackaroni would be appreciated as I see him coming more from scum than town in his aplroach at the moment.
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I will gladly admit that one of the strongest reason I don't want to lynch damerion is because he played like a champ last game.
I feel like this bias is clouding my judgement on him, but it's hard to not want to give him 1 more day at least.
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On October 15 2017 03:16 Onegu wrote:
Just so you guys know I am reading this entire game writeing my thoughts as I am reading for one big post. Then will give you my overall thoughts.
Before the deadline please.
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On October 15 2017 03:18 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 03:16 ruXxar wrote:
I will gladly admit that one of the strongest reason I don't want to lynch damerion is because he played like a champ last game.
I feel like this bias is clouding my judgement on him, but it's hard to not want to give him 1 more day at least.
that's not how you should ever play this game, you lynch people that are playing like mafia and he is playing like mafia
You're right, let me eat my dinner then re-evaluate.
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On October 15 2017 03:18 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 03:16 ruXxar wrote:
I will gladly admit that one of the strongest reason I don't want to lynch damerion is because he played like a champ last game.
I feel like this bias is clouding my judgement on him, but it's hard to not want to give him 1 more day at least.
Is he playing like a champ this game?
He's playing very subpar so far on a relative scale.
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On October 15 2017 03:20 Holyflare wrote:
but I'm mafia ruxxar so why am I right?
Mafia says:
"that's not how you should ever play this game, you lynch people that are playing like mafia and he is playing like mafia"
Town says:
"that's not how you should ever play this game, you lynch people that are playing like mafia and he is playing like mafia"
Your mother says:
"that's not how you should ever play this game, you lynch people that are playing like mafia and he is playing like mafia"
There's no cirumstance where that sentence is ever wrong...
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After re-reading damerions posts, I don't feel a strong need to defend him anymore.
His response to getting asked for scum reads is losing him a lot of town points.
On October 15 2017 00:58 Damerion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 00:53 darthfoley wrote:
Do you plan on ever calling someone scum, or are you just gonna keep saying stuff is "interesting?" While I appreciate your thoughts on that matter if you would turn your attention to what I actually wrote and give a word or two om that it would be appreciated.
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I also dislike the people who have been giving fecalfeast easy town reads, because he has done absolutely nothing to deserve such a thing.
Those people being:
Damerion:
On October 13 2017 06:38 Damerion wrote:
My first to early townread is on FecalFeast, general tone and playful approach to the game points to a more than likely chance of being town at this point in time. If you look at his previous games his posts were a bit more guarded and just generally lacked the playful approach he has shown at this point.
Damdred:
On October 14 2017 03:21 Damdred wrote:
FF: Hey buddy we should work together, care free attitude. Gives some opinions still a bit weak on a few points, overall would not kynch today.
Maybe someone else, but those are the two I remember.
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On October 15 2017 03:57 Holyflare wrote:
Ruxxar still thinks I'm mafia eh?
The people voting conversion are town as hell. if it comes to deadline, those are who I want to be voting with.
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On October 15 2017 04:09 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 04:08 ruXxar wrote:On October 15 2017 03:57 Holyflare wrote:
Ruxxar still thinks I'm mafia eh? The people voting conversion are town as hell. if it comes to deadline, those are who I want to be voting with. What do you expect to happen between now and deadline that you dont want to commit???
I'm hoping damerion will show up and say something.
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On October 15 2017 04:16 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 04:11 ruXxar wrote:On October 15 2017 04:09 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 15 2017 04:08 ruXxar wrote:On October 15 2017 03:57 Holyflare wrote:
Ruxxar still thinks I'm mafia eh? The people voting conversion are town as hell. if it comes to deadline, those are who I want to be voting with. What do you expect to happen between now and deadline that you dont want to commit??? I'm hoping damerion will show up and say something. you can do something else?? You dont even want to vote damerion anyway, why does it matter if he shows up? I really dont understand what your line of play is here
Damerion looks slightly worse than conversion.
Conversion is at least fighting to stay alive, and I have a soft spot for people fighting when their life is on the line.
My heart is telling me to vote damerion, my head is telling me to vote conversion.
I haven't made up my mind yet.
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On October 15 2017 05:17 Holyflare wrote:
either way I hate the fact that I can't ctrl + f the word vote in Ruxxar's filter because of his stupid fucking signature thing
My signature is pimp as hell. Back off.
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On October 15 2017 04:54 Onegu wrote:
On openings. There are 2 I didnt like.
Ruxxar and Damerion. Ruxxar seemed way to happy. Like way to happy, seemed off to me.
And Damerion was like lets not talk about roles but here is what you should do. Also to wordy. Seemed like he wrote it proof read it thought about it and posted it. Not really a way town thinks./ plays.
Like damdred feeling off about ruxxar says people who make him laugh but the fact he said something first I like.
Boom Oats comes in and slams Rux. I like oats.
HF says the same about Damer I like HF
Damdreds hard defend of Damer I find odd. Like he agrees he is playing different from the previous game but not enough different feels really off now with this defense.
Boom MrLonelyClock hits on Damerion. I like this newbie. He is somewhere inbetween the blue and yellow also!
Ugg but then he just is ok on Damer after one small post. TT why you do this. You null now.
Then votes with oats on Ruxx. Which I do like at this point.
I also like happykrogen at the moment. his response to damer is nice.
Yeah I like HF at the moment. Normally I just ignore him at this point. but meh.
Conversion giveing a town read and then like not saying why and its the same post other people said about Clock and the defense of Damer in the same post. dont like dont like...
Ruxxar like conversion. Makes me like conversion even less...
Ruxxar shits on me. Like Ruxxar even less.
Krogan voteing Rux. I like I like.
My god I like Rux less and less as I read. Like coaching the newbies to look helpful. Bleh I just dont like him at all.
Krogran picks up on it. My HERO!!!
Ruxxar going to try to lynch me I can feel it.
FF giveing Ruxxar a out is meh really.
I really feel weird about people 13 pages in only having town reads. Like not even scum leans its null or town thats it.
Ruxxar with the coaching again. Like I guess its a defense of him self but the way he does it in like a coaching way. Activity is town blah blah blah just rubs me the wrong way.
Grack is forgettable... bleh
HF is back to ignore... The whole krogan/ruxxar thing and HF response to it is making my response ignore HF.
DF I am ok with for now. His post about agreeing with HF on Krogan is bleh. I mean who isnt town reading Krogan right now? And that is a reason to give HF a pass? And I dont really like his Ruxxar town read. But his post isnt bringing any more red flags other than those.
But then the next post is within HF scum range... Lol ok... Still ok with DF.
Oats TMI post is meh. Still like his pushes though....
The whole thing on pocketing people is stupid and I am dumber for reading it.
HUH xenon thinks rux is town so he votes Oats? That cant be a scum play right> Like it just cant. I mean right? Huh?
Oats points out my thought on xenonn but I think 60% lynch bait 40% scum because really?
So I am running out of time so I am going to post this. I am still reading but I am also about to Top 8 a large MTGO tourny. Sooooo.
So you're going to leave without giving an opinion on the two current wagons.
How helpful you are.
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So... was damerion going to show up and defend himself or?
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On October 15 2017 05:52 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 05:35 ruXxar wrote:On October 15 2017 04:54 Onegu wrote:
On openings. There are 2 I didnt like.
Ruxxar and Damerion. Ruxxar seemed way to happy. Like way to happy, seemed off to me.
And Damerion was like lets not talk about roles but here is what you should do. Also to wordy. Seemed like he wrote it proof read it thought about it and posted it. Not really a way town thinks./ plays.
Like damdred feeling off about ruxxar says people who make him laugh but the fact he said something first I like.
Boom Oats comes in and slams Rux. I like oats.
HF says the same about Damer I like HF
Damdreds hard defend of Damer I find odd. Like he agrees he is playing different from the previous game but not enough different feels really off now with this defense.
Boom MrLonelyClock hits on Damerion. I like this newbie. He is somewhere inbetween the blue and yellow also!
Ugg but then he just is ok on Damer after one small post. TT why you do this. You null now.
Then votes with oats on Ruxx. Which I do like at this point.
I also like happykrogen at the moment. his response to damer is nice.
Yeah I like HF at the moment. Normally I just ignore him at this point. but meh.
Conversion giveing a town read and then like not saying why and its the same post other people said about Clock and the defense of Damer in the same post. dont like dont like...
Ruxxar like conversion. Makes me like conversion even less...
Ruxxar shits on me. Like Ruxxar even less.
Krogan voteing Rux. I like I like.
My god I like Rux less and less as I read. Like coaching the newbies to look helpful. Bleh I just dont like him at all.
Krogran picks up on it. My HERO!!!
Ruxxar going to try to lynch me I can feel it.
FF giveing Ruxxar a out is meh really.
I really feel weird about people 13 pages in only having town reads. Like not even scum leans its null or town thats it.
Ruxxar with the coaching again. Like I guess its a defense of him self but the way he does it in like a coaching way. Activity is town blah blah blah just rubs me the wrong way.
Grack is forgettable... bleh
HF is back to ignore... The whole krogan/ruxxar thing and HF response to it is making my response ignore HF.
DF I am ok with for now. His post about agreeing with HF on Krogan is bleh. I mean who isnt town reading Krogan right now? And that is a reason to give HF a pass? And I dont really like his Ruxxar town read. But his post isnt bringing any more red flags other than those.
But then the next post is within HF scum range... Lol ok... Still ok with DF.
Oats TMI post is meh. Still like his pushes though....
The whole thing on pocketing people is stupid and I am dumber for reading it.
HUH xenon thinks rux is town so he votes Oats? That cant be a scum play right> Like it just cant. I mean right? Huh?
Oats points out my thought on xenonn but I think 60% lynch bait 40% scum because really?
So I am running out of time so I am going to post this. I am still reading but I am also about to Top 8 a large MTGO tourny. Sooooo.
So you're going to leave without giving an opinion on the two current wagons. How helpful you are. Read idiot I dont like damerion. Conversion I have no real thought on. You are scum though.
So vote for damerion.
Any other vote is a waste and looks scummy.
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On October 15 2017 05:53 darthfoley wrote:
so who wants to start some shenanigans?
I'll follow you.
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Yes it's most likely tvt unfortunately 
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On October 15 2017 05:57 Onegu wrote:Yeah no. Wrong choice. Ruxxar is the correct one.
- Hasn't read the game
- Wants to run the shenny lynch.
Get out of here.
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On October 15 2017 06:08 darthfoley wrote:
LETS FUCKING GO
fuck everyone who doubted it
He says as he unvoted at the last minute LOL.
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So me and damdred are confirmed town.
High five damdy baby <3
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On October 15 2017 08:39 Holyflare wrote:If Damerion is scum and couldn't vote Conversion then his other alternative would be the third highest wagon which is Ruxxar. Ruxxar was on 2 votes and Damerion didn't vote him but then when he returned (to afk again lolololol) who did he end up with his vote on? Oatsmaster. Now, I guess it's not so suspicious UNTIL you read Damerion's posts: Show nested quote +On October 13 2017 06:38 Damerion wrote:
I also did not dislike RuxXar opening salvo of posts even if it is not super indicative at this moment in time, he was playful and did not seem angry at others having fun. So I have a good feeling about him at present. ^ This is an excerpt from his opening post that I really disliked. Notice how it says absolutely NOTHING. He mentioned a bunch of town reads which I wouldn't necessarily have a problem with if this wasn't thrown in at the end. It's a little mention of Ruxxar that says he didn't dislike Ruxxar's post but it hasn't got any relevance to an alignment. It's tacked on and sticks out like a sore thumb, it's irrelevant. Then, you go through his other substantial posts in the game (there aren't many, let's be real) and who does he town read? Show nested quote +As for my read on Oatsmaster is that he is towny, his catch/pressure on RuxXar seems like it comes from town. It reads as if he is paying attention looking for little details that would make someone scum, and acts on it. His major read in this post is that OATSMASTER IS TOWN. Show nested quote +
Now, his approach and tone towards Oatsmaster has completely changed. He is speaking to him and with him as if he is town and is trying to figure out common ground that they can work on.
Grackaroni vote is still on Oatsmaster, he has tried to convince people that Oatsmaster is scum. But the approach he takes towards him does not make sense for someone with a scum read on said person.
Oatsmaster nonresponse to Grackaroni posts is interesting as well. But its not quite uo to the level I just pointed out.
Show nested quote +The meat of the post was about how Grackaroni acted and treated Oatsmaster.
I will admit it is possible a light bus this early is possible, but I will make a decision on that at a later date.
Right now thoughts about Grackaroni would be appreciated as I see him coming more from scum than town in his aplroach at the moment. and Grack is mafia! so why does he vote oatsmaster? Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 06:00 Rels wrote:
Final Day 1 Votecount
Conversion (4): darthfoley, MrLonelyClock, happykrogan, Damdred, ruXxar
Damerion (4): Holyflare, Fecalfeast, Oatsmaster, Conversion
ruXxar (2): Oatsmaster, MrLonelyClock, happykrogan, Onegu, Grackaroni
Oatsmaster (2): Grackaroni, xenonn40, Damerion
Fecalfeast (1): darthfoley
Holyflare (0): ruXxar
xenonn40 (0): happykrogan, Holyflare, Damdred
Not Voting (1): coolTLname
Conversion is the lynch! He was the third highest lynch that wasn't his partner!
Absolutely idiotic conclusion.
One of damerion and conversion was getting lynched, it didn't matter who he voted for.
If he is mafia, then mafia would've been lynched either way.
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On October 15 2017 09:40 Holyflare wrote:
So now it means that both wagons were mafia and the game opens up!
You're putting the cart before the horse.
How about you just ask the guy when he comes back? Pressure him, get some answers.
Why would you need to vig him anyway? If he's so mafia like you claim, you can lynch him tomorrow, what are you afraid of?
Also, please stop with the exclamation marks. You're making me sick with the fake enthusiasm. 
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Earth calling holy flare...
Earth calling holy flare...
-looks like we lost him boys.
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On October 15 2017 10:08 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 09:54 ruXxar wrote:On October 15 2017 09:40 Holyflare wrote:
So now it means that both wagons were mafia and the game opens up! You're putting the cart before the horse. How about you just ask the guy when he comes back? Pressure him, get some answers. Why would you need to vig him anyway? If he's so mafia like you claim, you can lynch him tomorrow, what are you afraid of? Also, please stop with the exclamation marks. You're making me sick with the fake enthusiasm. This might be the worst post of the entire game.
Almost as bad as when you unvoted the mafia last minute.
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On October 15 2017 10:40 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 10:25 ruXxar wrote:On October 15 2017 10:08 darthfoley wrote:On October 15 2017 09:54 ruXxar wrote:On October 15 2017 09:40 Holyflare wrote:
So now it means that both wagons were mafia and the game opens up! You're putting the cart before the horse. How about you just ask the guy when he comes back? Pressure him, get some answers. Why would you need to vig him anyway? If he's so mafia like you claim, you can lynch him tomorrow, what are you afraid of? Also, please stop with the exclamation marks. You're making me sick with the fake enthusiasm. This might be the worst post of the entire game. Almost as bad as when you unvoted the mafia last minute. I dare you to call me scum
Now that would be illogical and stupid.
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A little tidbit from conversion.
Reading this chain of interaction I find it very likely that oats is solid town.
On October 14 2017 08:05 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 08:01 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 14 2017 06:40 Grackaroni wrote:On October 14 2017 06:38 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 14 2017 04:28 Grackaroni wrote:Happykrogan is almost certainly town. RuXxar is also the only player silly enough to think that drawing suspicion to himself would be a good town plan. + Show Spoiler +On October 14 2017 03:36 ruXxar wrote:
Then there's the passive way, where you make yourself vulnerable and allow people to push you.
This requires you to make yourself a target that people want to engage with, by performing actions that people find dubious.
Have you seen any of ruxxs mafia games? I think I've skimmed some of them from when I played with him as town but I don't think I've ever seen him play mafia. so why do you use a meta read to townread someone when you have no idea how they would play as mafia??? TMI??!? Grack wasn’t metareading ruxxar as town there, he was jut statig ruxxar was the only one silly enough to vouch drawing suspicion as a good town play. Not really seeing where you saw him draw a metaread conclusion On October 14 2017 08:10 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 08:08 Oatsmaster wrote:
He didnt say "mafia wont do that", he specifically said "rux will only do that as town" I mean.. I don’t think he specifically SAID those exact words, but semantics. On October 14 2017 08:44 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 08:10 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 08:08 Oatsmaster wrote:
He didnt say "mafia wont do that", he specifically said "rux will only do that as town" I mean.. I don’t think he specifically SAID those exact words, but semantics. do you have a point that you want to make about gracks read on rux? Because right now it looks like you are arguing about it for the sake of arguing On October 14 2017 09:11 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 08:44 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 14 2017 08:10 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 08:08 Oatsmaster wrote:
He didnt say "mafia wont do that", he specifically said "rux will only do that as town" I mean.. I don’t think he specifically SAID those exact words, but semantics. do you have a point that you want to make about gracks read on rux? Because right now it looks like you are arguing about it for the sake of arguing Grack isn’t making any real read besides on you, which was based on a meta read he wasn’t trying to convince me or ruxxar.. so idk I just find it interesting you ignored that fact and slammed him on something he wasn’t intending to imply
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Also spewing MrLonelyClock town,but that's already pretty much agreed upon.
On October 15 2017 04:22 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 04:21 MrLonelyClock wrote:On October 15 2017 04:17 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 15 2017 04:14 MrLonelyClock wrote:
I feel like this is a pretty strong wagon on damerion that I don't agree with. Early on in the game I didn't like his posts but his posts haven't changed much imo. It just seems like some people realized its a possible wagon and just jumped on it. So if you didnt like his posts and he continued to post things that you disliked, why dont you think he is mafia? I took peoples word for his weird playstyle and how he was good in the previous game and am leaving him Day 1. Nothing jumps out as scum but I just don't like his posting language he uses. uhh.. two people have said that, one of them being me. I'm just gonna grill you right now because your logic is all over the place, and you're accusing me of being all over the place. why would you take my word that damerion should be kept alive if you believe I'm scum? so you are now 100% believing ruxxar on that point. is ruxxar your town god read?
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@Damerion, why did you not vote for conversion to save yourself?
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On October 16 2017 06:01 darthfoley wrote:RIP gg, gl town + Show Spoiler +sorry for the late post. my clock says 4:58 EDT
Well played my friend.
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On October 16 2017 06:18 Holyflare wrote:
Dem medic dodges?
Ha.. ha.. ha... ha
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On October 16 2017 06:29 Holyflare wrote:
Anyone that does not vote Damerion needs to be in the newbie section with a coach. This is bull shit mafia all over it. It's like when I was being lynched in Carol of the bells as obvious mafia and my team didn't want to lynch me so they voted off wagon instead of saving themselves. It's stupid and obvious mafia.
Mate, if damerion is mafia, he would be an idiot not to kill you after the tirade you are on trying to get him lynched.
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On October 16 2017 07:10 Holyflare wrote:
are you stupid? I'm healed almost every single n1 in every game
So he's gonna medic dodge instead of killing the one guy thats capable of lynching him? Not happening.
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Right, better let you lynch him and be down to 1 mafia after 2 days. That's surely a masterful play.
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On October 16 2017 07:14 Holyflare wrote:
I also don't know if you know this but I most assuredly claimed I'm not a vt at the start of the game
I remember that very clearly.
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On October 16 2017 07:16 Holyflare wrote:
ruxxar instead of doing some bull shit plays like you normally do how about you talk to me
If Damerion had no time to play and he didn't read the thread when he returned then why was oatsmaster his preferred lynch target when he previously said oatsmaster was TOWN for being aggressive?
If he had no time why would he simply just not save himself? That's the biggest unanswered question. He simply said "votes were moving and I had no time" but that doesn't explain for a single second why he didn't try and stay alive.
It doesn't make much sense from either alignment.
If he's town he should be voting conversion to save himself.
If he's mafia he should be voting conversion to at least get a sliver of town cred for voting mafia.
In the end I found his explanation very unsatisfactory, but he's also a new player who might be evaluating the game differently.
What I do know, is that survival instinct is very high on the list for mafia.
You are a huge threat do damerion, and I am very certain that he can not have missed that he was a hairs breadth away from being lynched by you.
If not him, then his partners must've observed it.
There was also no sign that you werent going for a damerion lynch today.
No sane mafia person with 24 hours to evaluate, would not kill you even at the chance of a medic save.
I do feel as if there's a shell surrounding damerion. A facade if you will, filtering away all emotion.
He is as you say "robotic" and very unengaged in the natural game flow.
It makes him hard to read, but I don't know if that necessarily makes him mafia.
Conversion as you saw on the other hand was very engaged in the game and was having a flowing conversation with people. So I'm not sure how convinced I am of it being a mafia indicator for damerion.
Especially taking into account how I saw him play last game.
We still have 48 hours to figure this out, so let's keep at it.
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On October 16 2017 07:17 Holyflare wrote:
Why does he think Onegu is mafia but didn't vote to save his partner conversion? Why doesn't that play into his read in the slightest? His entire read on Onegu is based on CONVERSION'S filter instead of Onegu's filter. If Damerion is town why on earth would he ever think that someone that scum read him and DIDN'T vote him to save his partner would be mafia? That's entirely the opposite conclusion anyone in that position should think.
This is a very good point and I agree.
From damerions point of view, where he should be considering himself town, there's absolutely no reason why he should expect onegu not to vote for him if conversion and onegu are mafia partners.
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On October 16 2017 07:42 Grackaroni wrote:
Ok look at when Damerion town reads Oats. It is at the start of the game when he is asked by Mr Lonelyclock what he though of Oats, and the read is based off of series of posts where he questions Ruxxar, which were posts that I also liked from Oats. He gave this read before I pointed out things about Oats' tone. Later on he does seem to walk back his Oats read a bit saying that he found it interesting that Oats ignored my accusation.
I think it's way more likely that his read changed without him updating it as town and believed the lynch to be TvT than that he panicked and voted off wagon because he was too afraid to bus when one of the two of them was very likely to die anyway.
Plus his posts have been way townier in this game than the other one imo. His thought process seems much more in depth whereas the other one I would have scum read him if I wasn't scum. That game it looked like he just chose a scum read and then went through the motions of asking people to kill him every so often rather than actually making an attempt to solve the game.
What in the...
##vote grackaroni.
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On October 16 2017 07:46 Damerion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2017 07:43 ruXxar wrote:On October 16 2017 07:17 Holyflare wrote:
Why does he think Onegu is mafia but didn't vote to save his partner conversion? Why doesn't that play into his read in the slightest? His entire read on Onegu is based on CONVERSION'S filter instead of Onegu's filter. If Damerion is town why on earth would he ever think that someone that scum read him and DIDN'T vote him to save his partner would be mafia? That's entirely the opposite conclusion anyone in that position should think. This is a very good point and I agree. From damerions point of view, where he should be considering himself town, there's absolutely no reason why he should expect onegu not to vote for him if conversion and onegu are mafia partners. But with how Conversion was flopping around, what happens if Onegu saves him in that situation? Once Conversion flips (after I flip town), he is instantly connected with Conversion and has a much greater chance to flip afterwards.
That's not how it works.
People vote for town all the time and get away with it.
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On October 16 2017 07:46 Damerion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2017 07:43 ruXxar wrote:On October 16 2017 07:17 Holyflare wrote:
Why does he think Onegu is mafia but didn't vote to save his partner conversion? Why doesn't that play into his read in the slightest? His entire read on Onegu is based on CONVERSION'S filter instead of Onegu's filter. If Damerion is town why on earth would he ever think that someone that scum read him and DIDN'T vote him to save his partner would be mafia? That's entirely the opposite conclusion anyone in that position should think. This is a very good point and I agree. From damerions point of view, where he should be considering himself town, there's absolutely no reason why he should expect onegu not to vote for him if conversion and onegu are mafia partners. But with how Conversion was flopping around, what happens if Onegu saves him in that situation? Once Conversion flips (after I flip town), he is instantly connected with Conversion and has a much greater chance to flip afterwards.
You see, if onegu voted for you and you flipped town, and then later conversion flips as mafia, I wouldn't be looking at onegu.
I would be looking at the guy(Holyflare) that's screaming at the top of his lungs that we should be lynching you and not conversion.
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On October 16 2017 07:53 Holyflare wrote:
I may have made a huge mistake where I didn't realise Conversion was voting Damerion.
Mistake how?
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On October 16 2017 22:41 Fecalfeast wrote:
Holyflare is giving me the scum vibes for what that's worth
He gave me scum vibes day 1 in how he was deflecting away from conversion.
Day 2 he has been towny as hell.
His reasoning is on point, and he's constantly re-evaluating things.
It's not often I say this, but I really like the direction he's going in right now.
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On October 16 2017 20:17 happykrogan wrote:
I have to admit I'm very unsure who to vote right now.
Maybe Damdred. His only real read on his whole filter is that damerion is town. And I don't think he gave good reasons for that.
Also he asked for it so why not. I can still change my vote.
BTW I really think it's annoying how Holyflare pushes a case calling everyone stupid who doesn't follow him.
I don't understand why you are voting for damdred.
Damdred hammered conversion(was one of the people to make conversion a majority lynch).
Do you think he voted for his own mafia buddy?
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There is no possible way damdred is mafia here unless the mafia team is exactly Damdred, Conversion, Damerion.
If damdred is mafia he:
1) Voted for his own partner who was not obviously getting lynched
2) Didn't try to save conversion by voting for damerion.
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Holyflare, do you think it's possible Damdred made a calculated play by wanting to distance himself from conversion by leaving his vote on him while not expecting him to get lynched?
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No that seems stupid. The vote was too close.
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On October 17 2017 02:02 happykrogan wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2017 01:21 ruXxar wrote:On October 16 2017 20:17 happykrogan wrote:
I have to admit I'm very unsure who to vote right now.
Maybe Damdred. His only real read on his whole filter is that damerion is town. And I don't think he gave good reasons for that.
Also he asked for it so why not. I can still change my vote.
BTW I really think it's annoying how Holyflare pushes a case calling everyone stupid who doesn't follow him. I don't understand why you are voting for damdred. Damdred hammered conversion(was one of the people to make conversion a majority lynch). Do you think he voted for his own mafia buddy? Well could be a bus, but as I mentioned above I was not sure. Actually the thread convinced that it's not very likely. I just wanted to put my vote on someone becuase it can potentially make people play. I just had not the time today to really look into filters. I will try to do that in a few hours.
Can you name the 3 people you like the least in the game right now and why?
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Honestly we should just lynch FF.
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@MLC you can edit your post in the vote thread and leave it blank.
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On October 17 2017 02:30 Fecalfeast wrote:
My only defense is that I'd care more about being lynched as mafia
It's the classic mafia burnout.
I've been there before.
Rolling scum two games in a row really sucks.
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On October 17 2017 03:15 Holyflare wrote:
Why are people lynching damdred though?
I have been asking the same question
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On October 17 2017 03:57 xenonn40 wrote:
I am parking my vote on Oats. I want to even up the vote a bit (see my last post) and see how this plays out.
Do you think he is mafia?
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On October 16 2017 15:11 Oatsmaster wrote:
Fecalfeast, on a scale of 1-10, how interested are you in playing this game?
Cause it looks like a 0. Same with onegu
On October 17 2017 03:47 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2017 23:15 Damdred wrote:
I would like Oats to explain in detail how I am serving scum exactly.
I lynched scum yesterday, in fact I believe Ruxxy and myself hammered scum.
Have I been clear in my reads? probably not
The only way I could see myself being scum is if Conversion, Damerion, Damdred ia the team which makes 0 sense for eod.... Youve ever heard of a bus? You aren't scumhunting， you aren't town hunting, you aren't doing anything but coming in here and posting some inane rubbish
What you said to damdred is the exact same for fefe.
All other things being equal, you want to lynch the guy that lynched mafia?
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@Oats.
Who is your 3rd pick for mafia?
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On October 17 2017 06:49 Oatsmaster wrote:
Where did everyone go. What the heck man
What do you want oats?
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So here's my thoughts:
1)
Something obviously went wrong for the mafia team.
You can scream bus bus bus all you want, but to assume that they actually wanted to flip conversion is retarded.
Following this assumption, I'm not lynching people on the conversion wagon.
2)
If conversion and damerion are scum together, their vote pattern is completely illogical.
Instead of voting together on a 3rd wagon together with the 3rd mafia to save themselves, conversionended up almost hammering damerion, while damerion voted off wagon.
There was basically no coordinated effort to save each other.
Following this assumption I'm not voting for damerion.
3)
Maybe it's just my mind playing games, but I've seen it quite often happen recently that mafia are voting off wagon to gain town cred when a town flip happens.
It's the happy medium between bussing (which is risky for your partner) and lynching town with the majority (no town cred gained).
I remember a game not long ago where the counter wagon to the mafia lynch was all town.
This really fucked with my mind since I was convinced there had to be mafia on the counter wagon.
Turned out that mafia was voting off wagon.
Keeping that in mind, I'm highly suspect of the people voting off wagon and I'm counting on there being at least 1 mafia in
Grack, onegu and xenon40.
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On October 17 2017 07:25 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2017 07:03 ruXxar wrote:On October 17 2017 06:49 Oatsmaster wrote:
Where did everyone go. What the heck man What do you want oats? Let's talk about damdred. Why do you think he is town other than voting for scum?
Not only did damdred vote for scum, he could've voted off wagon and nobody would've blamed him.
He literally called both conversion and damerion town, so why would he bus either of them and risk their lynch when he couldve voted for anyone else.
Damdred is not stupid. He set himself up in a perfect situation to avoid voting for either conversion or damerion.
There was basically 0 towncred to gain for damdred when you take into account that if damdred is mafia, he does NOT want a conversion flip, and if conversion doesn't flip, there is no towncred to be gained.
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On October 17 2017 08:12 Oatsmaster wrote:
What I'm saying is that if he is town, there should be other supporting evidence other than the vote, but all the supporting evidence shows that he's mafia.
What I'm saying is that if he's scum, he's helped us to lynch scum, aka he's helping town.
If he keeps helping town getting our preferred lynches through, then I don't see a reason why you wouldn't want keep him around.
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On October 17 2017 13:07 Damdred wrote:
If you mean the general case of I am sort of lazy this game. Yes, but that doesnt make me scum. It makes me lazy or doing things for a reason.
I havent publizied a read list today, and i really do t have a real want of doing it. Lot of people fit this mold actually, doesnt make anyone scum. Just need to figure where people stand on others.
As for the charge i am not figuring the game out, i figured it out enough to vote scum out. So score one for me bitches. (most loving manner possible)
I dont really have much else to say on this case, just feels like grasping atm.
I'd really like to hear who you want to lynch today damdred.
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On October 17 2017 22:47 Fecalfeast wrote:
So since I'm probably not going to make people see that I'm town how about we do a little thought experiment. In they hypothetical world where I flip town today, who would you all want to lynch afterward?
"Hypothetical world where you flip town"
So you're only hypothetically town?!
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Nvm, scum slips don't happen.
I probably just misinterpreted that.
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I still want to hear from damdred who his scum reads are.
He's been claiming since day 1 that he thinks fefe is town, so who will he lynch now?
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On October 18 2017 00:12 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2017 23:23 ruXxar wrote:
Nvm, scum slips don't happen.
I probably just misinterpreted that. The fact that you couldn't tell that was supposed to be tongue in cheek is insane to me
Not scummy, just insane.
Ill take it.
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@MLC
Are you really a newbie? I get the feeling that you've played this game before.
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You actually remind me of a certain someone..
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Just want to say that you're making a good figure of yourself anyway.
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On October 18 2017 02:47 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2017 01:51 Holyflare wrote:On October 18 2017 01:13 Damdred wrote:
Honestly I think FF will probably flip town today just the way the wagon has went the lack of real push agaibst it, unless oats+ff is the team at least.
Let me reas a few filters rux and ill post something in a few minutes. If he's mafia who the fuck is gonna save him? What if his partner is just the afk guy? You looking really bad for doing the same thing you did with dame tbh. Let me tell you, I really care about how I look. I give my thoughts, maybe ff is scum just giving up its possible. I guess even more so if it is afk dude. Gracky is being weird today a bit, Oats is being suoer aggro and a few people are afk. So sorry I dont get the warm fuzzies from a run away wagon
Who is scum?
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So i fell asleep at 9 pm.
I wouldn’t have changed my vote anyway so that doesn’t matter.
First off I want to say that this game is really annoying.
Half the people aren’t playing, getting modkilled for being afk and not voting.
At this point I don’t even want to lynch active people since else this game would turn to shit.
This means no lynching of oats and holyflare.
As for fefe; he might as well not been in the game.
I can’t remember a single thing he has done.
I’ll just pretend we started the game with 1 less player.
Now as for the next lynch, the pool of people are shrinking.
First off, the people left on damerion can very well be town.
I’m not lynching oats and I’m not lynching holyflare.
If they are mafia, they’re never getting lynched this game so Gg mafia.
Lonely clock is still town
Same with krogan.
Onegu failing to vote I’m going to take as a town sign cause fuck it.
I have to be honest, I really don’t like how damdred is playing.
Like.. really don’t.
Same goes for the xenon guy who’s logic for doing things is ??????
grack is also not particularly impressive, and his one post about how damerion was really town this game compared to the previous gave me mafia vibes.
Damerion is going on about oats and grack and not even seeing the whole picture in the game.
Those are my first in the morning thoughts without re-reading anything.
Initial lynch pool today is damdred, damerion, grack, xenon.
More thoughts later when I’ve read stuff.
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On October 18 2017 16:15 Grackaroni wrote:
I think it's because at the start of the post he is complaining about afks and nonvoters.
Failing to vote when you’re in a mafia team is a real dick move and disrespectful to your partners.
I don’t think onegu is the type that would ditch his team like that.
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I’m hoping we have some power roles that can clear stuff up after tonight.
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On October 15 2017 01:19 Grackaroni wrote:
I don't think Conversion is a good lynch he seems very relaxed to me.
This was when he was being pressured by DF and flailing around.
On October 15 2017 02:18 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 02:16 Damdred wrote:
Im going backslide a bit, if there is a scum between conversion and df its df.
Hot take Seconded. But I figured you meant to say Lonelylock/Conversion was town v town, which I would absolutely agree with.
He thought conversion was more towny than DF.
Im voting grack tomorrow.
Scum team could just be damdred/grack to be honest.
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I actually feel very confident in a grack/damdred team.
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On October 18 2017 16:49 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 03:07 ruXxar wrote:Conversion+ Show Spoiler +Speaks his mind freely.
Conversation flows naturally.
Not guarded in speech and not afraid to step on peoples toes Yeah ok I'm the scummer.
On October 14 2017 03:07 ruXxar wrote:Conversion+ Show Spoiler +Speaks his mind freely.
Conversation flows naturally.
Not guarded in speech and not afraid to step on peoples toes
On October 15 2017 01:19 Grackaroni wrote:
I don't think Conversion is a good lynch he seems very relaxed to me.
Notice the time stamp.
Grack called Conversion relaxed after DF started pushing him.
Here's conversions posts between my read, and gracks read.
He's definitely not "relaxed" here.
+ Show Spoiler +On October 15 2017 01:13 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 01:07 darthfoley wrote:On October 15 2017 01:00 Conversion wrote:On October 15 2017 00:58 darthfoley wrote:On October 15 2017 00:53 Conversion wrote:On October 15 2017 00:49 darthfoley wrote:On October 14 2017 21:35 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 07:19 darthfoley wrote:
I'll give attention to Conversion and Damerion in a bit, but I remember liking Conversion's post on first read through Can I get these some time? I thought you were relatively townie until I read your filter. You're basically just being a thread policeman and debate moderator. Which I don't like. It's actually pretty impressive at how many questions you've asked without actually saying anything yourself. + Show Spoiler +On October 13 2017 23:51 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2017 23:42 happykrogan wrote:On October 13 2017 23:40 Conversion wrote:On October 13 2017 23:38 happykrogan wrote:
So you're my coach now?
II think the questions you asked conversion about conversion about damerion and holyflare about lonelyclock just have pretty obvious answers and could be just there for the reason that the people see that you ask questions.
flood control appeared and I have to wait...
I would have posted this immedieatly otherwise
? No need to be so defensive. I'm just explaining my thoughts, on my opinion, in my brain, as to why you can be scummy see how that works? I don't care if you post immediately. wasn't there a way to request flood control be turned off for new players in mafia? The "you're my coach now" was a question to ruxxar. I actually liked your post and see it as a tip. ah okay. sorry if I sounded like a dick.. been trying to rein that in latelyShow nested quote +On October 14 2017 09:11 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 08:44 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 14 2017 08:10 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 08:08 Oatsmaster wrote:
He didnt say "mafia wont do that", he specifically said "rux will only do that as town" I mean.. I don’t think he specifically SAID those exact words, but semantics. do you have a point that you want to make about gracks read on rux? Because right now it looks like you are arguing about it for the sake of arguing Grack isn’t making any real read besides on you, which was based on a meta read he wasn’t trying to convince me or ruxxar.. so idk I just find it interesting you ignored that fact and slammed him on something he wasn’t intending to imply Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 21:36 Conversion wrote:On October 13 2017 06:38 Damerion wrote:
Hello good people of TLMafia, it is pleasurable that we meet again.
Firstly I am going to approach this game slightly different than I did last game, I will do much more town hunting and see if I can POE a scum team into oblivion instead of finding a few slips early and pounding the ever living hell out of the person into submission.
Secondly as the setup is much different than last game, we should do our best not to talk about roles or claim them unless in supreme danger, especially the newer players should be aware of this. And that is the last thing I will say about roles.
My first to early townread is on FecalFeast, general tone and playful approach to the game points to a more than likely chance of being town at this point in time. If you look at his previous games his posts were a bit more guarded and just generally lacked the playful approach he has shown at this point.
The second thing is HappyKrogan postings are interesting, (I know I am already sliding backwards) in comparison to other people who have posted the posts feel forced and have this sense of wanting to fit in. It also draws my eyebrow upwards how he keeps referring to himself as just normal VT. My first game as scum I had an almost identical entrance post because I just did not know how to interact with the people in the game. I think he is worth watching especially as his reads develop or fail to achieve.
I also did not dislike RuxXar opening salvo of posts even if it is not super indicative at this moment in time, he was playful and did not seem angry at others having fun. So I have a good feeling about him at present. are you going to townread and PoE more?
are you around? Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 21:37 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 12:48 MrLonelyClock wrote:On October 14 2017 12:32 xenonn40 wrote:On October 14 2017 11:06 MrLonelyClock wrote:
Hey xennon I see you voted for oatsmaster. Any reason? You haven't posted anything for a while and nothing worthwhile. Why the vote without explanation? Because I think Rex is town, and Oatsmaster is the only alternative at the moment, and the first to vote for Rex. Why do you think ruxxar (im assuming thats rex) is town? Likewise why is oatsmaster the only alternative compared to everyone else? Let me know what prompted you to come to these conclusions. +1 don't ninja vote without participating in the thread. doesn't help town at all Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 21:41 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 17:46 ruXxar wrote:
He calls krogans read on me the best read in the game, yet he makes no effort at all to push it any further.
After the strong salvo of encouragement for krogan, he just let it drop and appears to have lost all interest.
I'm parking my vote on HF as the most likely mafia for the moment.
In any case I hope it makes him wake up and show some interest in the game.
##vote Holyflare How I read the quote is that krogan made the best read of the game in terms of content, but it might not be good enough to sheep onto? idk also coolTLName is pulling a Rels D1? he hasn't posted yet Bolded quotes just seem way too passive and without direction. No conclusions. Soft ball questions that don't really probe anything There's also this On October 13 2017 20:43 Conversion wrote:
can’t really read df or grack, but that’s not really suprising since I couldn’t before anyways. null
oats is a tad bit aggressive for my taste but I think that’s just how he plays from what I’m observing. can any vets confirm? ruxxar sort confirmed in my last question
damerion slayed last game so I’m gonna put him in the wary pile as I do with all great players
HF being HF... less fiery though (burnt out maybe?) sorry I still don’t and won’t fully 100% townread you (although I say that and always end up townreading :l) I do like that we had same thoughts about lonelyclock man
FF being fluffy and vague but last time I pushed for his lynch he flipped town.. don’t like his play really
Pretty sure i've played one game with you... ever. First sentence seems like an unnecessary qualifier to back up a null read really early in the game. Maybe you shouldn't have reminded me to look back over your filter and this matters why? I've played one game with Grack too, does that mean I should confidently say that I can read every single person I've played one game with? I've played like 4 games on TL. If you want to read my filter because I reminded you and scumread me for it, then go ahead.. why would I discourage anyone to not read my filter? I'm keeping you at a hard null because you did nothing with your posts as you say I did myself, and I can barely read anyone correctly (re: 0% scum lynch rate unless I sheep someone/they admit to it) My point is that no one will have a "good read" on someone else after only playing one game with them. You claiming that you don't have a good read on me or grack makes it sound like it's some historical trend, when it was just one game-- and a super themed game at that. Your evasion of my legitimate questions and concerns are noted though. I've done much more with my posts than you have, but even if I hadn't, that's irrelevant to you not doing anything with your posts-- an idea you haven't denied I'm not evading your legitimate questions or concerns? You posted your thoughts, the thread can interpret it as they see fit. There's nothing else for you to note, you already think I'm scummy and you can move on with that and evaluate my behavior. Also on what measuring stick are you 'doing more' with your posts? 80% of your filter is fluff, except your one big post on an interaction/opinion piece on FF/Damdred... go reread your own filter and tell me what objectively you are doing more than I am You aren't defending yourself from my accusation, you're throwing it back at me with "no you!" OMGUS. I don't care about how the thread "interprets it as they see fit," I care about your explanations for you effectively playing mafia moderator without ever injecting original thoughts. You keep +1'ing or piggybacking on other people. Even this post is so passive and lacking direction. You aren't trying to determine my alignment. You're telling me to reread my filter. @ thread: i'm fine with a Conversion/Damdred/FF lynch pool for now. I mean.. if you want a read you're town. You're throwing the same accusations as you did when we played in CCCP. The jist of it is that Conversion just exists, doesn't do much, etc. The problem with you reading me is that.. this is how I play. and I flipped town in CCCP when you accused me of being mafia even until end game. I flipped town even when people accused me of being mafia because I was wishy washy/my entrance was terrible/I'm not pushing much. so enlighten me as to what's different about this game compared to that one? If I'm understanding your case correctly, it's that I'm passive, not really taking a side, not really pushing anything, I haven't even done that as town On October 15 2017 01:04 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 00:58 Damerion wrote:On October 15 2017 00:53 darthfoley wrote:On October 15 2017 00:48 Damerion wrote:Once again hello and like the proverbial Santa Clause I have brought a most interesting gift that I wish the thread to take a stance on and give their thoughts, and gut leanings. Firstly I read the Grackaroni and Oatsmaster exchanges and did not think much on it but as I was checking filters something very interesting popped out on me. The interesting thing is how Grackaroni treats Oatsmaster to start with and how he ends up treating him. On October 14 2017 03:10 Grackaroni wrote:I'm going to give a read that I don't think too many people will agree with but I think Oatsmaster is mafia. In this game he seems less chill compared to Hurricane and I get the sense in a few posts that he's questioning things that look unusual rather than things that I think he would normally find scummy. On October 13 2017 11:42 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 13 2017 07:59 Fecalfeast wrote:
Damdred trying to pocket damerion, ruxxar ignoring oats calling him a liar. Relevant? We shall see. whats the point of this post? On October 13 2017 11:43 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 13 2017 09:10 Damdred wrote:
But seriously pocmeting people is super impkrtant in the long run for survival Can you explain why a townie wants to pocket people to survive? I left links so you can decide for yourself between the first two pages of each game, but it seems to me like he cares more about his image in this game than the other one. (he was town in hurricane.) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/527379-newbie-student-mafia-xxvii?user=Oatsmasterhttp://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/526614-hurricane-shelter-mafia?user=Oatsmaster We first have his original read on Oats, it was novel at the time. He has something original to show the thread and does so, it gains him some surface town credit from several members of the town. On October 14 2017 03:58 Grackaroni wrote:On October 14 2017 03:55 ruXxar wrote:On October 14 2017 03:50 Grackaroni wrote:I'm going to guess that Oats is town in that game you linked and check before I post. Yeah ok HF/Damdred/Onegu were scum but obviously town is always a more likely guess since more people roll town. I do think he looks pretty different in both of those games in the way that he accuses people. In those 2 he throws out accusations without much fanfare. Hurricane: On September 29 2017 11:51 Oatsmaster wrote:On September 29 2017 11:23 Damerion wrote:
Hello, I am glad to be here playing with you fine people. Damdred speaks highly of everyone here, and I hope the game is enjoyable.
I have two things that came to mind when I read what little of the game there is.
1) Grackaroni opening post, to put it bluntly is trash. At the same time he says nothing of value and tries to buddy fecalfeast (I assume) into making an alliance when it is impossible for him to know alignments.
Unless he is mafia, which associative read incoming means FecalFeast is more likely town for the way Grackaroni interacted with him.
2) I have come up with a pretty simple plan how to approach d1.
Step one: The marksman (vig), should claim as soon as town agrees with this plan (which they should).
Step two: We should use this power as a second lynch and have a vote in thread to direct the power.
Step three: Mafia is more than likely forced into a situation where they must let the Vigilante shoot and kill him, or roleblock him. The simplest solution is to put the watcher on the Vigilante N1.
Step Four: The medic should be off doing medic things more than likely on another target, if the mafia send the godfather and kill the Vigilante nothing is lost, if they roleblock him we instantly have a one and one trade.
Step Five: I assume medic cannot protect multiple nights in a row, therefore if the Vigilante survives the medic should protect him here and the Watcher should look elsewhere.
This plan gives us the most information that we can control and boxes the mafia into only a few moves they can make early in the game.
I think we should follow this plan. mafia On September 29 2017 15:20 Oatsmaster wrote:On September 29 2017 12:21 Damerion wrote:
I am unsure why you have me as mafia Oatsmaster, could you expound on why you think that?
Vivax why is directing blues in that way not pro-town? We would gain a good bit of information by controlling multiple lynches or kp, and have confirmed town for multiple days leading the town towards a strong circle.
mainly because having a second lynch really doesnt matter. On September 29 2017 16:37 Oatsmaster wrote:
filter links plz
i think its pretty scumy On September 30 2017 01:23 Oatsmaster wrote:On September 29 2017 22:48 Vivax wrote:
I really have no idea what is wrong with my statement. It didn't bother me much when Oats pointed it out since his read on me is always shit, but to both of you it should be obvious that it simply means claiming afk = claiming scum and if two mafias claimed scum already, then the game will be too easy and boring.
With HF there's a decent chance he actually just said it cause he did it as mafia just last game and he thinks it's funny to mess with the reads on him. But for Koshi I see no such excuse. lol Names are Hard 2: On August 26 2017 02:18 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 25 2017 05:47 Tumblewood wrote:On August 25 2017 05:44 Koshi wrote:
I am pretty unhappy TW, LS and Damdred left the thread. nope i'm still here i just haven't cared enough to say anything else mafia On August 25 2017 06:21 geript wrote:On August 25 2017 06:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
geript are you town? I'm the towniest of all. Also, I'm pretty sure that Koshi is mafia. His post towards you and asking about Damdred's townread is pretty out of place. As Town, you love to lynch stupid; it's like your kryptonite. But as mafia you have much less of a hardon for stupid from what I've seen and just push 85% bullshit. Koshi not getting this after the last two games is pretty odd; especially since Tina brought it up in generic and Koshi was bussing her at various points. mafia geript doesnt actually care about getting koshi lynched. He just wants to sidetrack town. On August 26 2017 02:24 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 25 2017 06:10 LightningStrike wrote:
I was giving rayn his time to talk to Skynx while watching Impractical Jokers. Skynx being a bit combative towards rayn hmm. Is this normal behavior from Skynx as either alignment for those who got good amount of experience playing with him? Useless question. On August 25 2017 08:37 LightningStrike wrote:On August 25 2017 08:06 geript wrote:[quote] It's not exactly true... From Generic: [quote] The thing is that during the last abortion of a game, when I was reading TW (in MS Paint Judge mafia) I was comparing him to older games to get can idea of any other meta reads I could use to push him. It's something that I noticed from his town play and something that HF picked up and agreed with in the game. [quote] A few things here: 1. Only bad mafia hate early townreads. Like it's often quite easy to call someone town, move them into a situation where they look bad, rescind the townread and push them for lynch. I am not bad mafia. 2. LS in at least 1 game (though as far as I remembered multiple games) as scum has mimicked his "town puppy" persona to get townread and survived until endgame on it. Passing around a bad read is on the other hand makes it easy for scum to blend in. Hell, last game I basically literally just took what town was already thinking, repackaged it into nicer, newer, and better thinking and sold it as my own. [quote] [quote] Who's getting mad about early townreads now Koshi? Koshi is scumreading me for scumreading him for not townreading rayn. Silliness aside. Hold with me, it's a bit circuitous but it's here. I've made it quite obvious on numerous occasions that I fucking hate playing scum when HF is town; as such, when I'm scum I basically become his thread bitch because I don't know how else to buy time in order to gain control of the thread until I get to NK HF. But the same is not true of Rayn. I know how to fuck with Rayn's head as mafia; I know what he looks at and looks for and can throw out a hook to get him super distracted. 1. As mafia, I gain nothing by giving Rayn an early townread and actually surrender thread control; which btw, I don't do as mafia (except for HF or maybe Marv but Marv because he's a fucking sexy beast). So his argument is not only bad, it's also incorrect. Vivax I haven't really played with in a while and I haven't had a correct read on him for a long time. Damdred I read town for how he reads people with "Damdred" reads and how he shows specific lines of thinking as town that he doesn't as scum. HF I read based on what he's pushing and why he's pushing; it's kinda a feels read but mostly based on him pushing "good things." Rayn I read based on what he's pushing and how he pushes; he likes to lynch bad as town and picks up on completely different things as mafia (example the Judge game where almost every time he came in the thread he pushed stupid shit that was bad). 2. When I make a read on Rayn for doing town!Rayn things, it's me being scum. When I don't comment on things about Vivax, HF, or Damdred because I'm either lacking any way to accurately read them (Vivax), I haven't seen them do things to read them town yet (Damdred), or I'm getting mixed vibes from (HF), then I'm scum. When I post about Koshi, I'm both scum for something not triggering me to post something about him AND scum for posting what I posted. Like, that's a pretty fucking weird argument for Koshi to be making at the same time; he's usually a bit more lazy as scum, and arguing both sides of the coin in the same post is pretty fucking weird for Town!Koshi to do. 3. Come at me bro 3/20 Yes I know I fooled people in the past in 2 of my scum games but Damdred usually gets me right except a few times when he either almost gets me mislynched or actually got me lynched on shannies. Damdred helped me a bit on my scum game I will tell you that as he was in a scum team with me where we almost won had it not been for sicklucker not giving a shit for a couple of cells (Cell Millionaire). Trust Damdred's read on me. Its interesting(scummy) how he says "trust" damdred's read when he doesnt know damdred's alignment. Or does he??? On August 25 2017 08:39 LightningStrike wrote:
Side note I think Damdred could be town this game as well as rayn and Koshi just need them to stop fighting each other. Also this is a pretty big "side" note that LS just brushes under. He isnt trying to find mafia, hes just going with the status quo and waiting for things to happen. On August 26 2017 02:25 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 25 2017 18:21 Vivax wrote:On August 25 2017 18:12 Holyflare wrote:
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Has he ever posted it before? No idea but the idea is so abstruse to think of as mafia that I have to take it at face value. Uneccesary town read without an alternative. possible mafia. In this game I get the sense that he's putting on more of a show of pressuring people and looking useful. I don't see it grack. His tone is no different this game than from those games you quoted. Is your main issue that he doesn't use the word "Mafia" when calling out people? Because I think that is a weak argument when the message is still delivered with the same intention, tone and intensity. Well you're either going to see it or you won't. I do think there is a noticeable difference in Oats' posting and it's not just that he didn't say mafia like he did in those other two games. I have choosen to show the larger quote of the conversation between RuxXar and Grackaroni. Grackaroni is sure about his read on Oatsmaster and tries to convince based off of past tonal differences and approach to the game. At this point I do not see anything really bad about the approach. On October 14 2017 06:40 Grackaroni wrote:On October 14 2017 06:38 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 14 2017 04:28 Grackaroni wrote:Happykrogan is almost certainly town. RuXxar is also the only player silly enough to think that drawing suspicion to himself would be a good town plan. + Show Spoiler +On October 14 2017 03:36 ruXxar wrote:
Then there's the passive way, where you make yourself vulnerable and allow people to push you.
This requires you to make yourself a target that people want to engage with, by performing actions that people find dubious.
Have you seen any of ruxxs mafia games? I think I've skimmed some of them from when I played with him as town but I don't think I've ever seen him play mafia. On October 14 2017 08:57 Grackaroni wrote:On October 14 2017 08:46 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 14 2017 08:36 Grackaroni wrote:On October 14 2017 08:05 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 08:01 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 14 2017 06:40 Grackaroni wrote:
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I think I've skimmed some of them from when I played with him as town but I don't think I've ever seen him play mafia. so why do you use a meta read to townread someone when you have no idea how they would play as mafia??? TMI??!? Grack wasn’t metareading ruxxar as town there, he was jut statig ruxxar was the only one silly enough to vouch drawing suspicion as a good town play. Not really seeing where you saw him draw a metaread conclusion This. I wasn't calling him town in that post. I was saying that only he could possibly think that doing that would be a good idea. but "good town plan" implies that you think hes town. Like come on dude. Stop waffling. Otherwise it would be "xx scum plan". I don't know why I always have to have these arguments with you when they always revolve around you not being able to understand a post. Here's what he said: + Show Spoiler +"To me there's two ways to solve the game.
There's the active way, were you make reads, pressure and push people.
This is what people refer to when they say "Solving the game". Aka what oats is doing.
Then there's the passive way, where you make yourself vulnerable and allow people to push you.
This requires you to make yourself a target that people want to engage with, by performing actions that people find dubious."
I said that he would be the only one who could possibly think that this would be pro-town because it's a silly way to play and not pro-town. On October 14 2017 09:27 Grackaroni wrote:On October 14 2017 09:15 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 14 2017 08:57 Grackaroni wrote:
I said that he would be the only one who could possibly think that this would be pro-town because it's a silly way to play and not pro-town.
but if hes mafia he doesnt think its protown and therefore you think hes town because you believe that he thinks he is doing something protown It could be that he's town and think it's smart town play or he could be mafia and still think that it's pro-town or maybe he just got a lot of attention as mafia and thinks that is a passable excuse. I think no matter what he thinks it's a reasonable sentence, but I wasn't really trying to place any particular inference onto the post. On October 14 2017 15:41 Grackaroni wrote:
Oats do you like your Ruxxar vote? Now, his approach and tone towards Oatsmaster has completely changed. He is speaking to him and with him as if he is town and is trying to figure out common ground that they can work on. Grackaroni vote is still on Oatsmaster, he has tried to convince people that Oatsmaster is scum. But the approach he takes towards him does not make sense for someone with a scum read on said person. Oatsmaster nonresponse to Grackaroni posts is interesting as well. But its not quite uo to the level I just pointed out. Do you plan on ever calling someone scum, or are you just gonna keep saying stuff is "interesting?" While I appreciate your thoughts on that matter if you would turn your attention to what I actually wrote and give a word or two om that it would be appreciated. To me it just seems like Grack is not confident in his read, as no one seems to really be backing him up Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 09:38 Grackaroni wrote:On October 14 2017 09:11 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 08:44 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 14 2017 08:10 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 08:08 Oatsmaster wrote:
He didnt say "mafia wont do that", he specifically said "rux will only do that as town" I mean.. I don’t think he specifically SAID those exact words, but semantics. do you have a point that you want to make about gracks read on rux? Because right now it looks like you are arguing about it for the sake of arguing Grack isn’t making any real read besides on you, which was based on a meta read he wasn’t trying to convince me or ruxxar.. so idk I just find it interesting you ignored that fact and slammed him on something he wasn’t intending to imply I did try to convince you/Ruxxar but that's not an easy thing to do. Right now a lot of what I'm working off of is just a feel for whose posting seems weird to me out of the people I've played with before. That won't be worth much in convincing people unless other people who have played with him also feel that his posting is different, which it seems like they don't. I don't know how scum Grack plays, but it seems pretty bad to pin someone as scum and do a soft "I'm might be backing out of this read b/c now I'm unsure with no one agreeing with me" On October 15 2017 01:00 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 00:58 darthfoley wrote:On October 15 2017 00:53 Conversion wrote:On October 15 2017 00:49 darthfoley wrote:On October 14 2017 21:35 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 07:19 darthfoley wrote:
I'll give attention to Conversion and Damerion in a bit, but I remember liking Conversion's post on first read through Can I get these some time? I thought you were relatively townie until I read your filter. You're basically just being a thread policeman and debate moderator. Which I don't like. It's actually pretty impressive at how many questions you've asked without actually saying anything yourself. + Show Spoiler +On October 13 2017 23:51 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2017 23:42 happykrogan wrote:On October 13 2017 23:40 Conversion wrote:On October 13 2017 23:38 happykrogan wrote:
So you're my coach now?
II think the questions you asked conversion about conversion about damerion and holyflare about lonelyclock just have pretty obvious answers and could be just there for the reason that the people see that you ask questions.
flood control appeared and I have to wait...
I would have posted this immedieatly otherwise
? No need to be so defensive. I'm just explaining my thoughts, on my opinion, in my brain, as to why you can be scummy see how that works? I don't care if you post immediately. wasn't there a way to request flood control be turned off for new players in mafia? The "you're my coach now" was a question to ruxxar. I actually liked your post and see it as a tip. ah okay. sorry if I sounded like a dick.. been trying to rein that in latelyShow nested quote +On October 14 2017 09:11 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 08:44 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 14 2017 08:10 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 08:08 Oatsmaster wrote:
He didnt say "mafia wont do that", he specifically said "rux will only do that as town" I mean.. I don’t think he specifically SAID those exact words, but semantics. do you have a point that you want to make about gracks read on rux? Because right now it looks like you are arguing about it for the sake of arguing Grack isn’t making any real read besides on you, which was based on a meta read he wasn’t trying to convince me or ruxxar.. so idk I just find it interesting you ignored that fact and slammed him on something he wasn’t intending to imply Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 21:36 Conversion wrote:On October 13 2017 06:38 Damerion wrote:
Hello good people of TLMafia, it is pleasurable that we meet again.
Firstly I am going to approach this game slightly different than I did last game, I will do much more town hunting and see if I can POE a scum team into oblivion instead of finding a few slips early and pounding the ever living hell out of the person into submission.
Secondly as the setup is much different than last game, we should do our best not to talk about roles or claim them unless in supreme danger, especially the newer players should be aware of this. And that is the last thing I will say about roles.
My first to early townread is on FecalFeast, general tone and playful approach to the game points to a more than likely chance of being town at this point in time. If you look at his previous games his posts were a bit more guarded and just generally lacked the playful approach he has shown at this point.
The second thing is HappyKrogan postings are interesting, (I know I am already sliding backwards) in comparison to other people who have posted the posts feel forced and have this sense of wanting to fit in. It also draws my eyebrow upwards how he keeps referring to himself as just normal VT. My first game as scum I had an almost identical entrance post because I just did not know how to interact with the people in the game. I think he is worth watching especially as his reads develop or fail to achieve.
I also did not dislike RuxXar opening salvo of posts even if it is not super indicative at this moment in time, he was playful and did not seem angry at others having fun. So I have a good feeling about him at present. are you going to townread and PoE more?
are you around? Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 21:37 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 12:48 MrLonelyClock wrote:On October 14 2017 12:32 xenonn40 wrote:On October 14 2017 11:06 MrLonelyClock wrote:
Hey xennon I see you voted for oatsmaster. Any reason? You haven't posted anything for a while and nothing worthwhile. Why the vote without explanation? Because I think Rex is town, and Oatsmaster is the only alternative at the moment, and the first to vote for Rex. Why do you think ruxxar (im assuming thats rex) is town? Likewise why is oatsmaster the only alternative compared to everyone else? Let me know what prompted you to come to these conclusions. +1 don't ninja vote without participating in the thread. doesn't help town at all Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 21:41 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 17:46 ruXxar wrote:
He calls krogans read on me the best read in the game, yet he makes no effort at all to push it any further.
After the strong salvo of encouragement for krogan, he just let it drop and appears to have lost all interest.
I'm parking my vote on HF as the most likely mafia for the moment.
In any case I hope it makes him wake up and show some interest in the game.
##vote Holyflare How I read the quote is that krogan made the best read of the game in terms of content, but it might not be good enough to sheep onto? idk also coolTLName is pulling a Rels D1? he hasn't posted yet Bolded quotes just seem way too passive and without direction. No conclusions. Soft ball questions that don't really probe anything There's also this On October 13 2017 20:43 Conversion wrote:
can’t really read df or grack, but that’s not really suprising since I couldn’t before anyways. null
oats is a tad bit aggressive for my taste but I think that’s just how he plays from what I’m observing. can any vets confirm? ruxxar sort confirmed in my last question
damerion slayed last game so I’m gonna put him in the wary pile as I do with all great players
HF being HF... less fiery though (burnt out maybe?) sorry I still don’t and won’t fully 100% townread you (although I say that and always end up townreading :l) I do like that we had same thoughts about lonelyclock man
FF being fluffy and vague but last time I pushed for his lynch he flipped town.. don’t like his play really
Pretty sure i've played one game with you... ever. First sentence seems like an unnecessary qualifier to back up a null read really early in the game. Maybe you shouldn't have reminded me to look back over your filter and this matters why? I've played one game with Grack too, does that mean I should confidently say that I can read every single person I've played one game with? I've played like 4 games on TL. If you want to read my filter because I reminded you and scumread me for it, then go ahead.. why would I discourage anyone to not read my filter? I'm keeping you at a hard null because you did nothing with your posts as you say I did myself, and I can barely read anyone correctly (re: 0% scum lynch rate unless I sheep someone/they admit to it) My point is that no one will have a "good read" on someone else after only playing one game with them. You claiming that you don't have a good read on me or grack makes it sound like it's some historical trend, when it was just one game-- and a super themed game at that. Your evasion of my legitimate questions and concerns are noted though. I've done much more with my posts than you have, but even if I hadn't, that's irrelevant to you not doing anything with your posts-- an idea you haven't denied I'm not evading your legitimate questions or concerns? You posted your thoughts, the thread can interpret it as they see fit. There's nothing else for you to note, you already think I'm scummy and you can move on with that and evaluate my behavior. Also on what measuring stick are you 'doing more' with your posts? 80% of your filter is fluff, except your one big post on an interaction/opinion piece on FF/Damdred... go reread your own filter and tell me what objectively you are doing more than I am On October 15 2017 00:55 Conversion wrote:
like, not to OMGUS you but literally this entire thread so far has been non-accusatory except grack on oats, ruxxar vs krogan, and then Xen being on the mafia pedestal due to his shitty posts.. and I think he's a bad lynch because he's a newbie, so feel free to contribute On October 15 2017 00:53 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 00:49 darthfoley wrote:On October 14 2017 21:35 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 07:19 darthfoley wrote:
I'll give attention to Conversion and Damerion in a bit, but I remember liking Conversion's post on first read through Can I get these some time? I thought you were relatively townie until I read your filter. You're basically just being a thread policeman and debate moderator. Which I don't like. It's actually pretty impressive at how many questions you've asked without actually saying anything yourself. + Show Spoiler +On October 13 2017 23:51 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2017 23:42 happykrogan wrote:On October 13 2017 23:40 Conversion wrote:On October 13 2017 23:38 happykrogan wrote:
So you're my coach now?
II think the questions you asked conversion about conversion about damerion and holyflare about lonelyclock just have pretty obvious answers and could be just there for the reason that the people see that you ask questions.
flood control appeared and I have to wait...
I would have posted this immedieatly otherwise
? No need to be so defensive. I'm just explaining my thoughts, on my opinion, in my brain, as to why you can be scummy see how that works? I don't care if you post immediately. wasn't there a way to request flood control be turned off for new players in mafia? The "you're my coach now" was a question to ruxxar. I actually liked your post and see it as a tip. ah okay. sorry if I sounded like a dick.. been trying to rein that in latelyShow nested quote +On October 14 2017 09:11 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 08:44 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 14 2017 08:10 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 08:08 Oatsmaster wrote:
He didnt say "mafia wont do that", he specifically said "rux will only do that as town" I mean.. I don’t think he specifically SAID those exact words, but semantics. do you have a point that you want to make about gracks read on rux? Because right now it looks like you are arguing about it for the sake of arguing Grack isn’t making any real read besides on you, which was based on a meta read he wasn’t trying to convince me or ruxxar.. so idk I just find it interesting you ignored that fact and slammed him on something he wasn’t intending to imply Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 21:36 Conversion wrote:On October 13 2017 06:38 Damerion wrote:
Hello good people of TLMafia, it is pleasurable that we meet again.
Firstly I am going to approach this game slightly different than I did last game, I will do much more town hunting and see if I can POE a scum team into oblivion instead of finding a few slips early and pounding the ever living hell out of the person into submission.
Secondly as the setup is much different than last game, we should do our best not to talk about roles or claim them unless in supreme danger, especially the newer players should be aware of this. And that is the last thing I will say about roles.
My first to early townread is on FecalFeast, general tone and playful approach to the game points to a more than likely chance of being town at this point in time. If you look at his previous games his posts were a bit more guarded and just generally lacked the playful approach he has shown at this point.
The second thing is HappyKrogan postings are interesting, (I know I am already sliding backwards) in comparison to other people who have posted the posts feel forced and have this sense of wanting to fit in. It also draws my eyebrow upwards how he keeps referring to himself as just normal VT. My first game as scum I had an almost identical entrance post because I just did not know how to interact with the people in the game. I think he is worth watching especially as his reads develop or fail to achieve.
I also did not dislike RuxXar opening salvo of posts even if it is not super indicative at this moment in time, he was playful and did not seem angry at others having fun. So I have a good feeling about him at present. are you going to townread and PoE more?
are you around? Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 21:37 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 12:48 MrLonelyClock wrote:On October 14 2017 12:32 xenonn40 wrote:On October 14 2017 11:06 MrLonelyClock wrote:
Hey xennon I see you voted for oatsmaster. Any reason? You haven't posted anything for a while and nothing worthwhile. Why the vote without explanation? Because I think Rex is town, and Oatsmaster is the only alternative at the moment, and the first to vote for Rex. Why do you think ruxxar (im assuming thats rex) is town? Likewise why is oatsmaster the only alternative compared to everyone else? Let me know what prompted you to come to these conclusions. +1 don't ninja vote without participating in the thread. doesn't help town at all Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 21:41 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 17:46 ruXxar wrote:
He calls krogans read on me the best read in the game, yet he makes no effort at all to push it any further.
After the strong salvo of encouragement for krogan, he just let it drop and appears to have lost all interest.
I'm parking my vote on HF as the most likely mafia for the moment.
In any case I hope it makes him wake up and show some interest in the game.
##vote Holyflare How I read the quote is that krogan made the best read of the game in terms of content, but it might not be good enough to sheep onto? idk also coolTLName is pulling a Rels D1? he hasn't posted yet Bolded quotes just seem way too passive and without direction. No conclusions. Soft ball questions that don't really probe anything There's also this On October 13 2017 20:43 Conversion wrote:
can’t really read df or grack, but that’s not really suprising since I couldn’t before anyways. null
oats is a tad bit aggressive for my taste but I think that’s just how he plays from what I’m observing. can any vets confirm? ruxxar sort confirmed in my last question
damerion slayed last game so I’m gonna put him in the wary pile as I do with all great players
HF being HF... less fiery though (burnt out maybe?) sorry I still don’t and won’t fully 100% townread you (although I say that and always end up townreading :l) I do like that we had same thoughts about lonelyclock man
FF being fluffy and vague but last time I pushed for his lynch he flipped town.. don’t like his play really
Pretty sure i've played one game with you... ever. First sentence seems like an unnecessary qualifier to back up a null read really early in the game. Maybe you shouldn't have reminded me to look back over your filter and this matters why? I've played one game with Grack too, does that mean I should confidently say that I can read every single person I've played one game with? I've played like 4 games on TL. If you want to read my filter because I reminded you and scumread me for it, then go ahead.. why would I discourage anyone to not read my filter? I'm keeping you at a hard null because you did nothing with your posts as you say I did myself, and I can barely read anyone correctly (re: 0% scum lynch rate unless I sheep someone/they admit to it) On October 15 2017 01:13 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 01:07 darthfoley wrote:On October 15 2017 01:00 Conversion wrote:On October 15 2017 00:58 darthfoley wrote:On October 15 2017 00:53 Conversion wrote:On October 15 2017 00:49 darthfoley wrote:On October 14 2017 21:35 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 07:19 darthfoley wrote:
I'll give attention to Conversion and Damerion in a bit, but I remember liking Conversion's post on first read through Can I get these some time? I thought you were relatively townie until I read your filter. You're basically just being a thread policeman and debate moderator. Which I don't like. It's actually pretty impressive at how many questions you've asked without actually saying anything yourself. + Show Spoiler +On October 13 2017 23:51 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2017 23:42 happykrogan wrote:On October 13 2017 23:40 Conversion wrote:On October 13 2017 23:38 happykrogan wrote:
So you're my coach now?
II think the questions you asked conversion about conversion about damerion and holyflare about lonelyclock just have pretty obvious answers and could be just there for the reason that the people see that you ask questions.
flood control appeared and I have to wait...
I would have posted this immedieatly otherwise
? No need to be so defensive. I'm just explaining my thoughts, on my opinion, in my brain, as to why you can be scummy see how that works? I don't care if you post immediately. wasn't there a way to request flood control be turned off for new players in mafia? The "you're my coach now" was a question to ruxxar. I actually liked your post and see it as a tip. ah okay. sorry if I sounded like a dick.. been trying to rein that in latelyShow nested quote +On October 14 2017 09:11 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 08:44 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 14 2017 08:10 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 08:08 Oatsmaster wrote:
He didnt say "mafia wont do that", he specifically said "rux will only do that as town" I mean.. I don’t think he specifically SAID those exact words, but semantics. do you have a point that you want to make about gracks read on rux? Because right now it looks like you are arguing about it for the sake of arguing Grack isn’t making any real read besides on you, which was based on a meta read he wasn’t trying to convince me or ruxxar.. so idk I just find it interesting you ignored that fact and slammed him on something he wasn’t intending to imply Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 21:36 Conversion wrote:On October 13 2017 06:38 Damerion wrote:
Hello good people of TLMafia, it is pleasurable that we meet again.
Firstly I am going to approach this game slightly different than I did last game, I will do much more town hunting and see if I can POE a scum team into oblivion instead of finding a few slips early and pounding the ever living hell out of the person into submission.
Secondly as the setup is much different than last game, we should do our best not to talk about roles or claim them unless in supreme danger, especially the newer players should be aware of this. And that is the last thing I will say about roles.
My first to early townread is on FecalFeast, general tone and playful approach to the game points to a more than likely chance of being town at this point in time. If you look at his previous games his posts were a bit more guarded and just generally lacked the playful approach he has shown at this point.
The second thing is HappyKrogan postings are interesting, (I know I am already sliding backwards) in comparison to other people who have posted the posts feel forced and have this sense of wanting to fit in. It also draws my eyebrow upwards how he keeps referring to himself as just normal VT. My first game as scum I had an almost identical entrance post because I just did not know how to interact with the people in the game. I think he is worth watching especially as his reads develop or fail to achieve.
I also did not dislike RuxXar opening salvo of posts even if it is not super indicative at this moment in time, he was playful and did not seem angry at others having fun. So I have a good feeling about him at present. are you going to townread and PoE more?
are you around? Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 21:37 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 12:48 MrLonelyClock wrote:On October 14 2017 12:32 xenonn40 wrote:On October 14 2017 11:06 MrLonelyClock wrote:
Hey xennon I see you voted for oatsmaster. Any reason? You haven't posted anything for a while and nothing worthwhile. Why the vote without explanation? Because I think Rex is town, and Oatsmaster is the only alternative at the moment, and the first to vote for Rex. Why do you think ruxxar (im assuming thats rex) is town? Likewise why is oatsmaster the only alternative compared to everyone else? Let me know what prompted you to come to these conclusions. +1 don't ninja vote without participating in the thread. doesn't help town at all Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 21:41 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 17:46 ruXxar wrote:
He calls krogans read on me the best read in the game, yet he makes no effort at all to push it any further.
After the strong salvo of encouragement for krogan, he just let it drop and appears to have lost all interest.
I'm parking my vote on HF as the most likely mafia for the moment.
In any case I hope it makes him wake up and show some interest in the game.
##vote Holyflare How I read the quote is that krogan made the best read of the game in terms of content, but it might not be good enough to sheep onto? idk also coolTLName is pulling a Rels D1? he hasn't posted yet Bolded quotes just seem way too passive and without direction. No conclusions. Soft ball questions that don't really probe anything There's also this On October 13 2017 20:43 Conversion wrote:
can’t really read df or grack, but that’s not really suprising since I couldn’t before anyways. null
oats is a tad bit aggressive for my taste but I think that’s just how he plays from what I’m observing. can any vets confirm? ruxxar sort confirmed in my last question
damerion slayed last game so I’m gonna put him in the wary pile as I do with all great players
HF being HF... less fiery though (burnt out maybe?) sorry I still don’t and won’t fully 100% townread you (although I say that and always end up townreading :l) I do like that we had same thoughts about lonelyclock man
FF being fluffy and vague but last time I pushed for his lynch he flipped town.. don’t like his play really
Pretty sure i've played one game with you... ever. First sentence seems like an unnecessary qualifier to back up a null read really early in the game. Maybe you shouldn't have reminded me to look back over your filter and this matters why? I've played one game with Grack too, does that mean I should confidently say that I can read every single person I've played one game with? I've played like 4 games on TL. If you want to read my filter because I reminded you and scumread me for it, then go ahead.. why would I discourage anyone to not read my filter? I'm keeping you at a hard null because you did nothing with your posts as you say I did myself, and I can barely read anyone correctly (re: 0% scum lynch rate unless I sheep someone/they admit to it) My point is that no one will have a "good read" on someone else after only playing one game with them. You claiming that you don't have a good read on me or grack makes it sound like it's some historical trend, when it was just one game-- and a super themed game at that. Your evasion of my legitimate questions and concerns are noted though. I've done much more with my posts than you have, but even if I hadn't, that's irrelevant to you not doing anything with your posts-- an idea you haven't denied I'm not evading your legitimate questions or concerns? You posted your thoughts, the thread can interpret it as they see fit. There's nothing else for you to note, you already think I'm scummy and you can move on with that and evaluate my behavior. Also on what measuring stick are you 'doing more' with your posts? 80% of your filter is fluff, except your one big post on an interaction/opinion piece on FF/Damdred... go reread your own filter and tell me what objectively you are doing more than I am You aren't defending yourself from my accusation, you're throwing it back at me with "no you!" OMGUS. I don't care about how the thread "interprets it as they see fit," I care about your explanations for you effectively playing mafia moderator without ever injecting original thoughts. You keep +1'ing or piggybacking on other people. Even this post is so passive and lacking direction. You aren't trying to determine my alignment. You're telling me to reread my filter. @ thread: i'm fine with a Conversion/Damdred/FF lynch pool for now. I mean.. if you want a read you're town. You're throwing the same accusations as you did when we played in CCCP. The jist of it is that Conversion just exists, doesn't do much, etc. The problem with you reading me is that.. this is how I play. and I flipped town in CCCP when you accused me of being mafia even until end game. I flipped town even when people accused me of being mafia because I was wishy washy/my entrance was terrible/I'm not pushing much. so enlighten me as to what's different about this game compared to that one? If I'm understanding your case correctly, it's that I'm passive, not really taking a side, not really pushing anything, I haven't even done that as town
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Just a little observation on where people stood in the conversion vs darth foley.
Thinks DF is town / Conversion scum:
On October 15 2017 02:30 Fecalfeast wrote:
oh yeah darthfoley seems more towny than conversion, contrary to what HF thinks On October 15 2017 02:39 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 02:30 Fecalfeast wrote:
oh yeah darthfoley seems more towny than conversion, contrary to what HF thinks I agree On October 15 2017 02:40 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 02:30 Fecalfeast wrote:
oh yeah darthfoley seems more towny than conversion, contrary to what HF thinks I agree with this sentiment. On October 15 2017 04:12 MrLonelyClock wrote:
I'm still not liking conversion. He has flip flopped on so many of his points and seemed to be grasping at straws and trying to push things that weren't there when the initial votes went on him. On October 15 2017 01:42 happykrogan wrote:
I was the one on xennon and my read already got weaker as others argumented against it. Then darthfoley was convincing and I decided to switch.
It's that easy.
Thinks conversion is town:
On October 15 2017 02:16 Damdred wrote:
Im going backslide a bit, if there is a scum between conversion and df its df.
Hot take On October 15 2017 02:18 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 02:16 Damdred wrote:
Im going backslide a bit, if there is a scum between conversion and df its df.
Hot take Seconded.
No opinion:
On October 15 2017 03:00 Oatsmaster wrote:
that whole thing between conversion and thelonelycock/darth foley was an entire waste of time and thread space........................ On October 15 2017 05:52 Onegu wrote:
Read idiot I dont like damerion. Conversion I have no real thought on. Xenon40
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On October 18 2017 21:27 Holyflare wrote:
I didn't think conversion was mafia. I don't even know why he got lynched :p I did think he might have buddied me early game to get on my good side though but put never really checked back on him.
The point was that you thought that DF was more towny than conversion, which I believe anyone who was objectively evaluating would realize.
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I can lynch either of damdred / grack. Don’t care which one.
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On October 18 2017 21:48 Holyflare wrote:
happykrogan
MyLonelyLock
Oatsmaster
xenonn40
ruXxar
Grackaroni
Onegu
Damerion
Damdred
New list.
Good list.
I can see where you’re coming from.
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Don’t think I ever played a game where you’ve been this pleasant HF.
It’s a totally new experience for me.
I think it was something wrong with me that caused us to fight so much.
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On October 18 2017 21:31 Holyflare wrote:
The thing that makes damdred stick out to me is the fact he voted xenonn. He's supposed to have amazing tone reads and even I could pick up the screaming I'm new and lost vibes but his vote was on him for ages. Also how he says 0 words after town reading conversion into voting him.
There's only one thing that I think damdred might do though that makes me hesitate. I'm not gonna give it to him though.
Xenon is a really obvious lynch bait.
His posts and logic all make me go ??????.
But it’s very consistent throughout.
It doesn’t feel to me as if he’s acting newbish on purpose to gain sympathy points.
It feels like he’s genuinely new and has his own way of thinking about the game that is very different from what I’m used to and which I don’t always understand or agree with.
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On October 18 2017 22:09 Holyflare wrote:Perhaps when you auto voted me for dumb reasons 3 games in a row Also, I've just demoted you in the list for buddying.
Rather that than fighting.
I’m done chasing you blindly.
The dumb auto voting never even worked anyway.
I had this discussion with damdred when we were hosting the other game where I told him that my biggest weakness was being paranoid of the big players. I felt like they were given too much respect and if they were alive after day 1 they should always be lynched.
I realized that there’s no point even going into that battle because:
1) I’m most likely wrong.
2) it’s not going to work.
3) it’s going to backfire and make me look bad.
So I’ve given up that stupid idea and I feel in such a better mood right now.
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On October 19 2017 01:38 Holyflare wrote:I've got a juicy read for you guys tomorrow. Mafia better be killing me 
No fair, I want to be NKed for once.
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On October 19 2017 03:56 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2017 22:09 ruXxar wrote:On October 18 2017 21:31 Holyflare wrote:
The thing that makes damdred stick out to me is the fact he voted xenonn. He's supposed to have amazing tone reads and even I could pick up the screaming I'm new and lost vibes but his vote was on him for ages. Also how he says 0 words after town reading conversion into voting him.
There's only one thing that I think damdred might do though that makes me hesitate. I'm not gonna give it to him though. Xenon is a really obvious lynch bait. His posts and logic all make me go ??????. But it’s very consistent throughout. It doesn’t feel to me as if he’s acting newbish on purpose to gain sympathy points. It feels like he’s genuinely new and has his own way of thinking about the game that is very different from what I’m used to and which I don’t always understand or agree with. So you think he's town or mafia?
My mafia reads are damdred and grack.
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On October 19 2017 04:15 Oatsmaster wrote:
Also onegu mentions that rux likes conversion which makes him dislike conversion but he never mentions that part again when talking about him later.
The dude had only read half the game.
I didn’t put any value into anything he said.
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On October 19 2017 04:37 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2017 04:23 ruXxar wrote:On October 19 2017 04:15 Oatsmaster wrote:
Also onegu mentions that rux likes conversion which makes him dislike conversion but he never mentions that part again when talking about him later.
The dude had only read half the game. I didn’t put any value into anything he said. Yeah but don't you think it's weird though.
I honestly think onegu just isn’t interested.
He seemed entirely wrapped up in his mtg tourney.
Do I think it’s inconsistent? Yes.
Do I think he’s scummy? After his failure to vote I’m leaning towards no.
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On October 19 2017 04:55 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2017 04:46 ruXxar wrote:On October 19 2017 04:37 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 19 2017 04:23 ruXxar wrote:On October 19 2017 04:15 Oatsmaster wrote:
Also onegu mentions that rux likes conversion which makes him dislike conversion but he never mentions that part again when talking about him later.
The dude had only read half the game. I didn’t put any value into anything he said. Yeah but don't you think it's weird though. I honestly think onegu just isn’t interested. He seemed entirely wrapped up in his mtg tourney. Do I think it’s inconsistent? Yes. Do I think he’s scummy? After his failure to vote I’m leaning towards no. He's literally not even posted since after day 1.
Exactly.
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On October 19 2017 06:02 Damdred wrote:
Hard claiming blue, so look elsewhere babes
Claiming what?
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Don’t trust damdreds claim at all but w/e.
I can lynch grack first.
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On October 19 2017 06:30 Damdred wrote:
Explain what you dont like rux
I don't like the fact that you don't claim what role you are.
This gives you a cop out in the way that:
1) We can't argue if the role you claim is even likely to exist in the game.
2) You don't allow yourself to be counterclaimed by someone who actually has the role you claim to be.
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On October 19 2017 06:35 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2017 06:25 ruXxar wrote:
Don’t trust damdreds claim at all but w/e.
I can lynch grack first. I mean, there are a minimum of 2 blue roles so unless you want to counterclaim him, he's definitely blue. And there might even be 3, who knows?!?!?
That's the point.
Right now without claiming his role, it looks like he is trying to bait out a counterclaim of a real blue.
Here's 2 scenarios:
1)
Let's say damdred is mafia and claims "blue".
Now lets say a medic counter claims and says thats not right "I'm medic".
Damdred now says, "oh but I'm vig".
Damdred mafia runs away no problem.
2)
Let's say damdred is mafia and claims "medic"
Now let's say a medic counter claims and says thats not right "Im medic".
Damdred says "no you're right".
Fighting ensues and we catch 1 mafia.
I want scenario 2 to happen. Without damdred claiming a role, only scenario 1 can happen.
If he was really a blue as he claims, he should want us to gain his trust by revealing what role he claims to be.
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I'm voting damdred until he reveals what role he is.
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On October 19 2017 06:52 Holyflare wrote:
Ruxxar hammered mafia, town read by a lot, not dead.
Far too agreeable.
This makes me mafia how?
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On October 19 2017 10:45 Damdred wrote:
Hard claiming medic
Thanks.
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On October 19 2017 11:45 Oatsmaster wrote:
I didn't really mean to post that only lol.
Why aren't you lynching damerion rux? What puts grack above him
I find the way grack reads this game to be ingenuine.
3 examples of the top of my head:
1) he calls you mafia for a toneread which I disagree with.
2) he thought conversion was more towny than DF.
3) he called damerion more townie this game compared to last game. Which I also disagree with.
Ill look for some more clues tomorrow.
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Now with damdred as blue I’m missing a scum read.
I’ll have to do some more digging.
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Btw, if damdred is not nked I’m 100% lynching damdred.
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Xenon. I need some answers from you.
You voted for Oats two days in a row, yet I have a hard time deciphering why did so.
Here's your reasoning for voting oats day 1:
On October 14 2017 12:32 xenonn40 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 11:06 MrLonelyClock wrote:
Hey xennon I see you voted for oatsmaster. Any reason? You haven't posted anything for a while and nothing worthwhile. Why the vote without explanation? Because I think Rex is town, and Oatsmaster is the only alternative at the moment, and the first to vote for Rex.
This was early day 1. You had plenty of time to change your vote before the lynch but you didn't.
On October 15 2017 03:01 xenonn40 wrote:
I did not think Ruxxar was Mafia, a kind of arbitrary opinion at this point, to be honest, but I did think the fact that there were three votes for him immediately seemed suspicious. I felt like only people who have real information (mafia) would have a reason to gang up on someone at this point. If this is right, and we lynched one of Oatsmaster, MrLonelyClock , or happykrogan, we could have a good idea that one of the other two, if not both were mafia, which would give us very helpful information. Since Oatsmaster was the only other person voted for at the time, he was "the only other option" to me.
This was your explanation pre-lynch for why you were voting oatsmaster day 1, but no consideration for ever changing your vote.
I also find it really strange that you're talking in past tense(!!) when the lynch hasn't even been through yet as if there's nothing you can do to change your vote.
You follow up with this:
On October 15 2017 03:34 xenonn40 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 03:32 Onegu wrote:On October 15 2017 03:30 xenonn40 wrote:On October 15 2017 03:29 Onegu wrote:On October 15 2017 03:28 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 15 2017 03:16 Onegu wrote:
Just so you guys know I am reading this entire game writeing my thoughts as I am reading for one big post. Then will give you my overall thoughts. I just really hate these kinds of posts. The annoucement of a future annoucement Up to you but thats how I play. As a new player, I don't understand the point of all the talking before votes start, and before actions happen. What do you mean? I should just post my post and vote before talking? I mean, we have 27 pages already, and almost no actions to base our discussion on. I like the idea of a post on your thoughts at the end, and not 10000 posts of fluff in between.
Okay, but why are you still voting for oatsmaster?
The day ends and you don't mention a word to anyone about your thoughts, why you made a bad call on oats or why you kept voting for oats.
On October 15 2017 06:18 xenonn40 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 05:55 Damerion wrote:
Here I am, I lost track of time and these day phases are very short.
I see conversion and myself are up for lynch. I do not know if I believe that conversion is scum at this point in time.
In fact with how apathetic the thread is I am decently certain it is going to be town v town. Damerion's vote at the end seems very suspicious to me. He votes for Oats over a vote for Conversion to make himself safe from the lynch. He is last minute scrambling to target someone else. Seems like a desperate attempt to save a fellow mafia. I am not sure if Godfather shows up as town when lynched, if so, perhaps Damerion is Godfather.
That's it. No mention of your vote.
Day 2 this is what we get:
On October 16 2017 18:52 xenonn40 wrote:
I was leaning towards voting Damerion, because if he is not Mafia, I think it is pretty likely that the other mafia are among Holyflare, Fecalfeast, Oatsmaster.
Honestly, I could be swayed to vote for any of these 4 at at this point.
And it does make sense, as some people have pointed out, that the situations where it makes sense for Damerion to be Mafia are very improbable. On October 17 2017 03:57 xenonn40 wrote:
Okay, so you think damerion is mafia then?
I am parking my vote on Oats. I want to even up the vote a bit (see my last post) and see how this plays out.
Why????????
This guy is:
1) Not re-evaluating any reads.
2) Not giving good reasons for any of his reads.
3) Not engaging in any conversations or taking a stance on anythhing.
4) Not calling anyone scum at all. He just votes oats because ???
He definitely seems smart enough to undestand what's going on, and maybe the first day he didn't understand too much, but by now there's no excuse anymore.
Here's what I want to know
1) Why did you not re-evaluate your vote day 1? You had plenty of time to understand how the game functioned before the lynch. There was a lot of discussion going on pre-lynch, and you were there, posting, but just simply ignoring it.
2) Why did you vote for oats day 2? I don't understand your explanation, it makes no sense from my point of view.
When you vote someone two days in a row, it indicates to me that you think they're mafia.
But not once have you given any explanation for why oats is scum or worthy of a lynch.
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On October 20 2017 06:43 xenonn40 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2017 00:51 ruXxar wrote:Xenon. I need some answers from you. You voted for Oats two days in a row, yet I have a hard time deciphering why did so. Here's your reasoning for voting oats day 1: On October 14 2017 12:32 xenonn40 wrote:On October 14 2017 11:06 MrLonelyClock wrote:
Hey xennon I see you voted for oatsmaster. Any reason? You haven't posted anything for a while and nothing worthwhile. Why the vote without explanation? Because I think Rex is town, and Oatsmaster is the only alternative at the moment, and the first to vote for Rex. This was early day 1. You had plenty of time to change your vote before the lynch but you didn't. On October 15 2017 03:01 xenonn40 wrote:
I did not think Ruxxar was Mafia, a kind of arbitrary opinion at this point, to be honest, but I did think the fact that there were three votes for him immediately seemed suspicious. I felt like only people who have real information (mafia) would have a reason to gang up on someone at this point. If this is right, and we lynched one of Oatsmaster, MrLonelyClock , or happykrogan, we could have a good idea that one of the other two, if not both were mafia, which would give us very helpful information. Since Oatsmaster was the only other person voted for at the time, he was "the only other option" to me.
This was your explanation pre-lynch for why you were voting oatsmaster day 1, but no consideration for ever changing your vote. I also find it really strange that you're talking in past tense(!!) when the lynch hasn't even been through yet as if there's nothing you can do to change your vote. You follow up with this: On October 15 2017 03:34 xenonn40 wrote:On October 15 2017 03:32 Onegu wrote:On October 15 2017 03:30 xenonn40 wrote:On October 15 2017 03:29 Onegu wrote:On October 15 2017 03:28 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 15 2017 03:16 Onegu wrote:
Just so you guys know I am reading this entire game writeing my thoughts as I am reading for one big post. Then will give you my overall thoughts. I just really hate these kinds of posts. The annoucement of a future annoucement Up to you but thats how I play. As a new player, I don't understand the point of all the talking before votes start, and before actions happen. What do you mean? I should just post my post and vote before talking? I mean, we have 27 pages already, and almost no actions to base our discussion on. I like the idea of a post on your thoughts at the end, and not 10000 posts of fluff in between. Okay, but why are you still voting for oatsmaster? The day ends and you don't mention a word to anyone about your thoughts, why you made a bad call on oats or why you kept voting for oats. On October 15 2017 06:18 xenonn40 wrote:On October 15 2017 05:55 Damerion wrote:
Here I am, I lost track of time and these day phases are very short.
I see conversion and myself are up for lynch. I do not know if I believe that conversion is scum at this point in time.
In fact with how apathetic the thread is I am decently certain it is going to be town v town. Damerion's vote at the end seems very suspicious to me. He votes for Oats over a vote for Conversion to make himself safe from the lynch. He is last minute scrambling to target someone else. Seems like a desperate attempt to save a fellow mafia. I am not sure if Godfather shows up as town when lynched, if so, perhaps Damerion is Godfather. That's it. No mention of your vote. Day 2 this is what we get: On October 16 2017 18:52 xenonn40 wrote:
I was leaning towards voting Damerion, because if he is not Mafia, I think it is pretty likely that the other mafia are among Holyflare, Fecalfeast, Oatsmaster.
Honestly, I could be swayed to vote for any of these 4 at at this point.
And it does make sense, as some people have pointed out, that the situations where it makes sense for Damerion to be Mafia are very improbable. On October 17 2017 03:57 xenonn40 wrote:
Okay, so you think damerion is mafia then?
I am parking my vote on Oats. I want to even up the vote a bit (see my last post) and see how this plays out. Why????????
This guy is: 1) Not re-evaluating any reads. 2) Not giving good reasons for any of his reads. 3) Not engaging in any conversations or taking a stance on anythhing. 4) Not calling anyone scum at all. He just votes oats because ??? He definitely seems smart enough to undestand what's going on, and maybe the first day he didn't understand too much, but by now there's no excuse anymore.
Here's what I want to know 1) Why did you not re-evaluate your vote day 1? You had plenty of time to understand how the game functioned before the lynch. There was a lot of discussion going on pre-lynch, and you were there, posting, but just simply ignoring it. 2) Why did you vote for oats day 2? I don't understand your explanation, it makes no sense from my point of view. When you vote someone two days in a row, it indicates to me that you think they're mafia. But not once have you given any explanation for why oats is scum or worthy of a lynch. a) Life has had some unexpected turns the last few days. I have had less time than expected. b) Day one, I was quite unsure how to play, and honestly I didn't have a clue who to vote for. I wasted my vote, because I did not see anything better to vote for. c) After the day one votes, I was quite certain either Damerion was mafia or two of Holyflare, Fecalfeast, Oatsmaster where mafia. I had been convinced it was unlikely Damerion was mafia. (the Scenerios where this made sense were very unlikely.) d) This brings us to Holyflare, Fecalfeast, and Oatsmaster. When I cast my vote, Fecal had 3-4 votes, Holy none, and Oats 1. I wanted to even up the vote, so that there was some competition to force decisions to be made. As it was, Fecal won by a lot, so this did not happen. It did not matter if I changed my vote at the end, and I was somewhat happy as the majority was on one of the three. e) I am still highly suspicious of Holy and Oats, and the fact that they both voted for the same person (Damerion) day 3 makes me inclined to believe they want to push an agenda as we get down to the last few people. I am likely to vote Oats again.
This is what I don't understand:
You say: "I wanted to even up the vote, so that there was some competition to force decisions to be made"
Then you say: "I am likely to vote Oats again"
So if you're just voting oats to even up the votes, how do you know already now that you're likely to vote oats again?
Oats doesn't have any votes on him. Are you expecting him to get votes?
Why do you want to vote for oats right now anyway?
What have you read that people have said or that he has said that makes you want to vote him.
Forget about the votes for a moment and just think of what people have been saying.
Can you put together an argument based on what people/oats have been posting to make him the #1 lynch in your mind?
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On October 19 2017 06:50 Grackaroni wrote:
Onegu/Xennon/Ruxxar/HF is my lynch group. I'll figure out which one I want in a little bit.
Right now I'm playing sc2 and apparently I'm autistic because I beat some dude in a starcraft game. I'm learning so much about myself today.
So grack, I’m interested in hearing why me and HF are in your lynch pool.
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Every... freaking... game...
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I'm going floating after work today. Maybe a stroke of genius will hit me.
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On October 20 2017 23:04 Holyflare wrote:
just... floating on water?
Yep.
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However refreshing and relaxing the float felt, I didn’t have an enlightenment in regards to who mafia is.
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Can people who haven’t voted pleas vote...
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There is no pushback against a damerion lynch.
This means 1 of 2 things:
1) Damerionia not mafia.
2) Damerion is mafia and his partner is not holyflare or oats.
I say this because holyflare and oats would absolutely fight to protect their partner.
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Besides, holyflare has been pushing damerion all game. I can’t imagine them being partners.
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My gut tells me that damerion is town, but he’s the highest information flip regardless and hasn’t been playing particularly well this game.
If damerion is mafia, were going to have an easy game on our hands as the potential scum pool will be very small.
If damerion is town, then I’m afraid we’ll have a hard game on our hands.
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Damerion please show up and defend yourself.
I don’t like seeing people go down without a fight:/
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On October 21 2017 03:42 Oatsmaster wrote:
It looks like you are looking for any reason at all to get off damerion rux
Get off? Objectively I don’t mind if he dies, but I get very emotional when people go down without fighting.
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While we’re at it we could remove onegu from the game as well.
How are you supposed to have an informed decision on someone who doesn’t interact with the thread.
I feel like we’re just shooting blindly right now.
I don’t think I’ve ever been so uncertain about lynching people as I have been this game.
If you asked me who I want to remove from the game I’d say onegu, xenon and damerion, regardless of if they are scum or town.
I don’t think it’s ever possible to discern their real alignment from the info they’re giving us and if feels pretty shitty to lynch people just because they’re not doing shit.
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On October 21 2017 03:56 Grackaroni wrote:
I can really feel the emotion.
I think you need another float.
Eat my shorts.
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On October 21 2017 04:09 Grackaroni wrote:
What happened to you killing me??
You dont answer questions that people are asking of you, so I lost my motivation to push you.
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On October 21 2017 04:06 Damerion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2017 03:37 ruXxar wrote:
My gut tells me that damerion is town, but he’s the highest information flip regardless and hasn’t been playing particularly well this game.
If damerion is mafia, were going to have an easy game on our hands as the potential scum pool will be very small.
If damerion is town, then I’m afraid we’ll have a hard game on our hands. This is not good reasoning at all and almost gives me scum vibes from you RuxXar. If your gut feeling is that you think I will flip town, than what is the point of flipping me at all? In your mind/gut you already have the informatiom and should be able to read the end of day one with that already in mind. That aside RuxXar posting lately has been interesting, seems to be trying to justify where his vote is and where his vote might be going next (Xennon). I probably do not have time before lynch to make an accurate call on that. As for day one I sincerely believe that there was more than likely two scum on my wagon and one off distancing or trying Shenanigans. Well that is just from memory, I will spend the remainder of the day trying to get a last will in order because I will not escape the noose this day. Before I start my read my list looks something lime this, Onegu, Grackaroni, Oatsmaster (Oats is never scum with Grackaroni or vice versa), RuxXar, Holyflare, Xennon, HappyKrogan, Damdred. Will update as I finish filters
1) The point of flipping you is that it's going to tell us if the people on your day 1 wagon were more likely town or mafia.
2) I have no preference whether we lynch you, xenon, onegu or grack. At this point the game has gone so stale I don't care and you're all equally good lynches.
3) You say that there is more than likely two scum on your wagon, but not once have you mentioned holyflare potentially being scum, nor have you ever mentioned oatsmaster being scum due to him voting for you.
That doesn't add up at all.
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On October 21 2017 04:23 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2017 03:32 ruXxar wrote:
There is no pushback against a damerion lynch.
This means 1 of 2 things:
1) Damerionia not mafia.
2) Damerion is mafia and his partner is not holyflare or oats.
I say this because holyflare and oats would absolutely fight to protect their partner. so it's not just that his partner could easily be one of the 5 afk voters that didn't give a shit about the game?
That is what #2 means.
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On October 21 2017 05:10 Damerion wrote:
Point one is insa e to the extreme. My flip might reveal information to the thread, but a personal interpretation is just as good as a flip at this point.
Also the narrative that it was scum v scum is just something people have been able to hide behind without doing much work.
For example look how Holyflare approached me during the night one, being sure I was scum and then back tracking on it signficantly to push FecalFeast during the day two process.
The same can be said of Oatsmaster who has yelled and abused people in the thread for not pushing lynches. Yet when there is little interest with time still to go he very easily flows onto town wagons this game.
So no I think your first point is a cop out a d just gives mafia grounds to stand on.
If there is mafia between Oatsmaster and HolyFlare I believe it to be Oatsmaster.
Also your point two is a cop out, Onegu will be dealt with by the mods I hope at least.
I have given my thoughts this game even if my ability to be here has been spastic.
Point three is decent, but could be I just have not fleshed anything out.
All in all the three points for lynching me you provided (or your approach) is how town loses games.
I am to vlame for my lynch, should not of signed up for a game before I got my schedule. But I am almost done with my will in any case.
1) My personal interpretation is that you're all looking equally bad.
2) You didn't make it any easier on yourself by voting for oats and failing to adequately explain why.
3) Everyone went onto the FF wagon, why do you particularly point out those two, and why now when there's just half an hour to your lynch and the chances of changing the vote is close to 0%.
4) You have given thoughts on like two people, grack and oatsmaster. You are way to tunnelvisioned and not giving reads where you are evaluating the whole game.
It's very hard to trust anything of what you're saying when theres no coherence to to the rest of the people in the game, nor any engagement in a naturally flowing conversation.
5) You've had an abudance of time to to figure out day 1 votes.
I haven't heard a single theory from you regarding holyflare and oats votes.
The "Not enough time" excuse is bullshit.
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On October 21 2017 05:27 Grackaroni wrote:OK I read a bunch of filters and I'm going with a Ruxxar lynch. He thought Damerion's posts were townie and had a weak reason to reconsider voting for Damerion at the end of the day, which was a push being made by his scum read HF. Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 03:07 ruXxar wrote:Let me entertain you with some reads. Xenon+ Show Spoiler +On October 13 2017 14:19 xenonn40 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2017 06:10 happykrogan wrote:Hi I'm really relieved that I'm just a normal VT in my first game. Exactly what I hoped for Sounds like something a mafia would say. This is a strong opening statement from a newbie. Expecting more timidness from a first timer scum. On October 13 2017 06:38 Damerion wrote:
Hello good people of TLMafia, it is pleasurable that we meet again.
Firstly I am going to approach this game slightly different than I did last game, I will do much more town hunting and see if I can POE a scum team into oblivion instead of finding a few slips early and pounding the ever living hell out of the person into submission.
Secondly as the setup is much different than last game, we should do our best not to talk about roles or claim them unless in supreme danger, especially the newer players should be aware of this. And that is the last thing I will say about roles.
My first to early townread is on FecalFeast, general tone and playful approach to the game points to a more than likely chance of being town at this point in time. If you look at his previous games his posts were a bit more guarded and just generally lacked the playful approach he has shown at this point.
The second thing is HappyKrogan postings are interesting, (I know I am already sliding backwards) in comparison to other people who have posted the posts feel forced and have this sense of wanting to fit in. It also draws my eyebrow upwards how he keeps referring to himself as just normal VT. My first game as scum I had an almost identical entrance post because I just did not know how to interact with the people in the game. I think he is worth watching especially as his reads develop or fail to achieve.
I also did not dislike RuxXar opening salvo of posts even if it is not super indicative at this moment in time, he was playful and did not seem angry at others having fun. So I have a good feeling about him at present. Strong and clear reads. Consistent meta from last game. On October 13 2017 06:47 Damerion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2017 06:43 ruXxar wrote:On October 13 2017 06:38 Damerion wrote:
Hello good people of TLMafia, it is pleasurable that we meet again.
Firstly I am going to approach this game slightly different than I did last game, I will do much more town hunting and see if I can POE a scum team into oblivion instead of finding a few slips early and pounding the ever living hell out of the person into submission.
Secondly as the setup is much different than last game, we should do our best not to talk about roles or claim them unless in supreme danger, especially the newer players should be aware of this. And that is the last thing I will say about roles.
My first to early townread is on FecalFeast, general tone and playful approach to the game points to a more than likely chance of being town at this point in time. If you look at his previous games his posts were a bit more guarded and just generally lacked the playful approach he has shown at this point.
The second thing is HappyKrogan postings are interesting, (I know I am already sliding backwards) in comparison to other people who have posted the posts feel forced and have this sense of wanting to fit in. It also draws my eyebrow upwards how he keeps referring to himself as just normal VT. My first game as scum I had an almost identical entrance post because I just did not know how to interact with the people in the game. I think he is worth watching especially as his reads develop or fail to achieve.
I also did not dislike RuxXar opening salvo of posts even if it is not super indicative at this moment in time, he was playful and did not seem angry at others having fun. So I have a good feeling about him at present. You got 2 out of 3 right. Not bad! Krogans post might look forced, but it's not indicative of mafia just yet. I agree it is not quite mafia indicative as of yet, however it is worth watching how he develops as the game goes on. If he continues to be so forced it will be worth connecting, if he does not well it was just a newer person being a bit difficult. And I really wish that Damdred would post more than just a random list, I miss the days when I would look forward to reading his posts and mighty cases. Now he is just a sheep I must shepherd across the finish line who sometimes pouts and hides his head nobody listens to him. Earnest and genuine request. Has a carefree and playful touch to it. Is being his typical hard headed self. Straight to the point. No sugar coating, even abrasive to some.
Is lacking in reading comprehension,but puts himself way out there.
Unlikely to come from mafia.
On October 13 2017 10:38 MrLonelyClock wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2017 06:38 Damerion wrote:
Hello good people of TLMafia, it is pleasurable that we meet again.
Firstly I am going to approach this game slightly different than I did last game, I will do much more town hunting and see if I can POE a scum team into oblivion instead of finding a few slips early and pounding the ever living hell out of the person into submission.
Secondly as the setup is much different than last game, we should do our best not to talk about roles or claim them unless in supreme danger, especially the newer players should be aware of this. And that is the last thing I will say about roles.
My first to early townread is on FecalFeast, general tone and playful approach to the game points to a more than likely chance of being town at this point in time. If you look at his previous games his posts were a bit more guarded and just generally lacked the playful approach he has shown at this point.
The second thing is HappyKrogan postings are interesting, (I know I am already sliding backwards) in comparison to other people who have posted the posts feel forced and have this sense of wanting to fit in. It also draws my eyebrow upwards how he keeps referring to himself as just normal VT. My first game as scum I had an almost identical entrance post because I just did not know how to interact with the people in the game. I think he is worth watching especially as his reads develop or fail to achieve.
I also did not dislike RuxXar opening salvo of posts even if it is not super indicative at this moment in time, he was playful and did not seem angry at others having fun. So I have a good feeling about him at present. First half is garbage. Let people play how they want. Its early in the game so the reads I would say are kinda forced but that can be expected. However having 3 reads this early just seems like you want to throw out the "HEY IM POSTING A LOT, LOOK AT THIS TOWNIE". Also your posts kinda annoy me. It's as if I'm reading a novel and not actually having a conversation. Feels like talking (or typing) to a wall of sorts. Strong accusations straight out of the gate. Honest and genuine tone. Does not filter or sugar coat his opinion. Can clearly see through to the intentions behind his post with no apparent malicious agenda. Not expected from newbie mafia. Speaks his mind freely.
Conversation flows naturally.
Not guarded in speech and not afraid to step on peoples toes Was initially green. Moved down after this post. On October 14 2017 00:06 happykrogan wrote:
Because of Holyflare's posts my lean is now a read BTW Was having a lean on me, but afraid to commit without the backing/validation of another player Holyflare Grackaroni Fecalfeast Onegu Damdred coolTLname darthfoley Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 02:26 ruXxar wrote:
Lynching damerion is the absolutely dumbest thing we can do right now. Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 03:39 ruXxar wrote:After re-reading damerions posts, I don't feel a strong need to defend him anymore. His response to getting asked for scum reads is losing him a lot of town points. On October 15 2017 00:58 Damerion wrote:On October 15 2017 00:53 darthfoley wrote:
Do you plan on ever calling someone scum, or are you just gonna keep saying stuff is "interesting?" While I appreciate your thoughts on that matter if you would turn your attention to what I actually wrote and give a word or two om that it would be appreciated. If anyone bussed this game I guarantee that it was Ruxxar who wrote out a post to say that he has changed his read on Conversion after FF/DF/Mr. Lonelyclock pushed him and that he is open to considering lynching him. The bus was never going to be Damdred, who town read both Damerion/Conversion, didn't make any effort to shennany, and then voted off Conversion without any setup for his vote. To me this looks like a bus post. Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 02:40 ruXxar wrote:On October 15 2017 02:30 Fecalfeast wrote:
oh yeah darthfoley seems more towny than conversion, contrary to what HF thinks I agree with this sentiment. Darthfoley is either clearly town or/and more experienced than conversion. Darth foley came out of that interaction looking way better than conversion. I felt conversion was squirming around clamoring to any defense he could muster up. I think you need to calm down conversion and refocus your effort. I feel like right now your reads are all over the place and you're having trouble staying above water. Take a short breather and clear your mind. I was on the edge of changing my vote to conversion seeing as how that went down, but I'm holding back a bit after you bounced back a bit with the list post. -- The secondary red flag is xenon. His post explaining his vote was terrible. I'm awaiting his explanation before pursuing further action. Also in that post he makes an attempt to push Xennon, who he was also town reading earlier, but he doesn't defend the scum read when HF questions him on it. Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 02:45 ruXxar wrote:On October 15 2017 02:42 Holyflare wrote:
NOW you think xenonn is looking bad??????????
he looks so fucking new now Yes he's lynchbait, but lets give him a chance to explain his vote shall we? And he questions FF about an Oats lynch when he completely shut down my Oats tone push earlier in the day, Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 02:55 ruXxar wrote:On October 15 2017 02:29 Fecalfeast wrote:
scumish
oats - seems mafia, tone read i guess
Can you expound on this? I want to know what you're refering to. Plus from Conversion's filter Ruxxar seems like the most likely partner to me. So that's my vote.
Yes, I hard bussed and hammered my mafia partner day 1 /facepalm
All of what you wrote makes me look even more town.
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On October 21 2017 05:43 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2017 05:37 ruXxar wrote:On October 21 2017 05:27 Grackaroni wrote:OK I read a bunch of filters and I'm going with a Ruxxar lynch. He thought Damerion's posts were townie and had a weak reason to reconsider voting for Damerion at the end of the day, which was a push being made by his scum read HF. On October 14 2017 03:07 ruXxar wrote:Let me entertain you with some reads. Xenon+ Show Spoiler +On October 13 2017 14:19 xenonn40 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2017 06:10 happykrogan wrote:Hi I'm really relieved that I'm just a normal VT in my first game. Exactly what I hoped for Sounds like something a mafia would say. This is a strong opening statement from a newbie. Expecting more timidness from a first timer scum. On October 13 2017 06:38 Damerion wrote:
Hello good people of TLMafia, it is pleasurable that we meet again.
Firstly I am going to approach this game slightly different than I did last game, I will do much more town hunting and see if I can POE a scum team into oblivion instead of finding a few slips early and pounding the ever living hell out of the person into submission.
Secondly as the setup is much different than last game, we should do our best not to talk about roles or claim them unless in supreme danger, especially the newer players should be aware of this. And that is the last thing I will say about roles.
My first to early townread is on FecalFeast, general tone and playful approach to the game points to a more than likely chance of being town at this point in time. If you look at his previous games his posts were a bit more guarded and just generally lacked the playful approach he has shown at this point.
The second thing is HappyKrogan postings are interesting, (I know I am already sliding backwards) in comparison to other people who have posted the posts feel forced and have this sense of wanting to fit in. It also draws my eyebrow upwards how he keeps referring to himself as just normal VT. My first game as scum I had an almost identical entrance post because I just did not know how to interact with the people in the game. I think he is worth watching especially as his reads develop or fail to achieve.
I also did not dislike RuxXar opening salvo of posts even if it is not super indicative at this moment in time, he was playful and did not seem angry at others having fun. So I have a good feeling about him at present. Strong and clear reads. Consistent meta from last game. On October 13 2017 06:47 Damerion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2017 06:43 ruXxar wrote:On October 13 2017 06:38 Damerion wrote:
Hello good people of TLMafia, it is pleasurable that we meet again.
Firstly I am going to approach this game slightly different than I did last game, I will do much more town hunting and see if I can POE a scum team into oblivion instead of finding a few slips early and pounding the ever living hell out of the person into submission.
Secondly as the setup is much different than last game, we should do our best not to talk about roles or claim them unless in supreme danger, especially the newer players should be aware of this. And that is the last thing I will say about roles.
My first to early townread is on FecalFeast, general tone and playful approach to the game points to a more than likely chance of being town at this point in time. If you look at his previous games his posts were a bit more guarded and just generally lacked the playful approach he has shown at this point.
The second thing is HappyKrogan postings are interesting, (I know I am already sliding backwards) in comparison to other people who have posted the posts feel forced and have this sense of wanting to fit in. It also draws my eyebrow upwards how he keeps referring to himself as just normal VT. My first game as scum I had an almost identical entrance post because I just did not know how to interact with the people in the game. I think he is worth watching especially as his reads develop or fail to achieve.
I also did not dislike RuxXar opening salvo of posts even if it is not super indicative at this moment in time, he was playful and did not seem angry at others having fun. So I have a good feeling about him at present. You got 2 out of 3 right. Not bad! Krogans post might look forced, but it's not indicative of mafia just yet. I agree it is not quite mafia indicative as of yet, however it is worth watching how he develops as the game goes on. If he continues to be so forced it will be worth connecting, if he does not well it was just a newer person being a bit difficult. And I really wish that Damdred would post more than just a random list, I miss the days when I would look forward to reading his posts and mighty cases. Now he is just a sheep I must shepherd across the finish line who sometimes pouts and hides his head nobody listens to him. Earnest and genuine request. Has a carefree and playful touch to it. Is being his typical hard headed self. Straight to the point. No sugar coating, even abrasive to some.
Is lacking in reading comprehension,but puts himself way out there.
Unlikely to come from mafia.
On October 13 2017 10:38 MrLonelyClock wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2017 06:38 Damerion wrote:
Hello good people of TLMafia, it is pleasurable that we meet again.
Firstly I am going to approach this game slightly different than I did last game, I will do much more town hunting and see if I can POE a scum team into oblivion instead of finding a few slips early and pounding the ever living hell out of the person into submission.
Secondly as the setup is much different than last game, we should do our best not to talk about roles or claim them unless in supreme danger, especially the newer players should be aware of this. And that is the last thing I will say about roles.
My first to early townread is on FecalFeast, general tone and playful approach to the game points to a more than likely chance of being town at this point in time. If you look at his previous games his posts were a bit more guarded and just generally lacked the playful approach he has shown at this point.
The second thing is HappyKrogan postings are interesting, (I know I am already sliding backwards) in comparison to other people who have posted the posts feel forced and have this sense of wanting to fit in. It also draws my eyebrow upwards how he keeps referring to himself as just normal VT. My first game as scum I had an almost identical entrance post because I just did not know how to interact with the people in the game. I think he is worth watching especially as his reads develop or fail to achieve.
I also did not dislike RuxXar opening salvo of posts even if it is not super indicative at this moment in time, he was playful and did not seem angry at others having fun. So I have a good feeling about him at present. First half is garbage. Let people play how they want. Its early in the game so the reads I would say are kinda forced but that can be expected. However having 3 reads this early just seems like you want to throw out the "HEY IM POSTING A LOT, LOOK AT THIS TOWNIE". Also your posts kinda annoy me. It's as if I'm reading a novel and not actually having a conversation. Feels like talking (or typing) to a wall of sorts. Strong accusations straight out of the gate. Honest and genuine tone. Does not filter or sugar coat his opinion. Can clearly see through to the intentions behind his post with no apparent malicious agenda. Not expected from newbie mafia. Speaks his mind freely.
Conversation flows naturally.
Not guarded in speech and not afraid to step on peoples toes Was initially green. Moved down after this post. On October 14 2017 00:06 happykrogan wrote:
Because of Holyflare's posts my lean is now a read BTW Was having a lean on me, but afraid to commit without the backing/validation of another player Holyflare Grackaroni Fecalfeast Onegu Damdred coolTLname darthfoley On October 15 2017 02:26 ruXxar wrote:
Lynching damerion is the absolutely dumbest thing we can do right now. On October 15 2017 03:39 ruXxar wrote:After re-reading damerions posts, I don't feel a strong need to defend him anymore. His response to getting asked for scum reads is losing him a lot of town points. On October 15 2017 00:58 Damerion wrote:On October 15 2017 00:53 darthfoley wrote:
Do you plan on ever calling someone scum, or are you just gonna keep saying stuff is "interesting?" While I appreciate your thoughts on that matter if you would turn your attention to what I actually wrote and give a word or two om that it would be appreciated. If anyone bussed this game I guarantee that it was Ruxxar who wrote out a post to say that he has changed his read on Conversion after FF/DF/Mr. Lonelyclock pushed him and that he is open to considering lynching him. The bus was never going to be Damdred, who town read both Damerion/Conversion, didn't make any effort to shennany, and then voted off Conversion without any setup for his vote. To me this looks like a bus post. On October 15 2017 02:40 ruXxar wrote:On October 15 2017 02:30 Fecalfeast wrote:
oh yeah darthfoley seems more towny than conversion, contrary to what HF thinks I agree with this sentiment. Darthfoley is either clearly town or/and more experienced than conversion. Darth foley came out of that interaction looking way better than conversion. I felt conversion was squirming around clamoring to any defense he could muster up. I think you need to calm down conversion and refocus your effort. I feel like right now your reads are all over the place and you're having trouble staying above water. Take a short breather and clear your mind. I was on the edge of changing my vote to conversion seeing as how that went down, but I'm holding back a bit after you bounced back a bit with the list post. -- The secondary red flag is xenon. His post explaining his vote was terrible. I'm awaiting his explanation before pursuing further action. Also in that post he makes an attempt to push Xennon, who he was also town reading earlier, but he doesn't defend the scum read when HF questions him on it. On October 15 2017 02:45 ruXxar wrote:On October 15 2017 02:42 Holyflare wrote:
NOW you think xenonn is looking bad??????????
he looks so fucking new now Yes he's lynchbait, but lets give him a chance to explain his vote shall we? And he questions FF about an Oats lynch when he completely shut down my Oats tone push earlier in the day, On October 15 2017 02:55 ruXxar wrote:On October 15 2017 02:29 Fecalfeast wrote:
scumish
oats - seems mafia, tone read i guess
Can you expound on this? I want to know what you're refering to. Plus from Conversion's filter Ruxxar seems like the most likely partner to me. So that's my vote. Yes, I hard bussed and hammered my mafia partner day 1 /facepalm All of what you wrote makes me look even more town. You didn't hard bus though you pushed Conversion after he was taking a lot of pressure, which is pretty standard for mafia to jump on a bandwagon around the 3rd or 4th vote.
I wrote this:
On October 15 2017 04:33 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 04:16 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 15 2017 04:11 ruXxar wrote:On October 15 2017 04:09 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 15 2017 04:08 ruXxar wrote:On October 15 2017 03:57 Holyflare wrote:
Ruxxar still thinks I'm mafia eh? The people voting conversion are town as hell. if it comes to deadline, those are who I want to be voting with. What do you expect to happen between now and deadline that you dont want to commit??? I'm hoping damerion will show up and say something. you can do something else?? You dont even want to vote damerion anyway, why does it matter if he shows up? I really dont understand what your line of play is here Damerion looks slightly worse than conversion. Conversion is at least fighting to stay alive, and I have a soft spot for people fighting when their life is on the line. My heart is telling me to vote damerion, my head is telling me to vote conversion. I haven't made up my mind yet.
I had ample excuse to vote for either damerion or conversion.
If I wanted to save conversion I would have.
Your reasoning is piss poor.
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On October 21 2017 05:50 happykrogan wrote:
I will definetly lynch ruxxar tomorrow if damerion flips mafia.
I sincerely hope he flips mafia. I really do.
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On October 21 2017 05:49 Damdred wrote:
meh hes getting lynched but hes going to flip town i think
You should vote me to save him then.
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On October 21 2017 05:54 Damdred wrote:
Nah I havent really parsed your filter yet, and it looks like damer gave you the fu vote.. So kinda not assed to help him tbh
At last he's showing some kind of emotion.
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Are you going to vote damdred or what?
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Like there's literally enough afks in the game for mafia to win by just voting out the afks.
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I bet onegu didn't give a shit cuz he didn't believe his team could win.
So his team mate probably one of the newbies or something.
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Good morning my little sun rays.
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On October 22 2017 00:27 Holyflare wrote:
It's just fucking boring to play these games because it's the same every damn time, either I'm mafia and play non-stop to win or other people are mafia and afk the shit out of the game and make any kind of analysis absolutely irrelevant and it's a colossal waste of my time. Onegu just afked at the start of the game and didn't even save his team mate and likely his other team mate is the newbie or grack and didn't even vote for damerion to save conversion.
Then the rest of the game who aren't even mafia can't even be fucked to vote when they have 48 hours to place a vote and instead they wait until 47.5 hours to place a vote. The whole point of the game is to vote, analyse what they post and find contradictions but instead we just have people that could be mafia or are just lazy town just voting because they HAVE to to avoid modkill.
It's really not fun and please think twice about signing up if you're not going to play.
+1
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Pretty sure xenon is last mafia.
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I think its very disrespectful to the other players in the game when you don't invest the minimum time required to make the game enjoyable for everyone.
How are you supposed to judge who is mafia and who is town when you have like 2 posts from each person per cycle.
It's really hard, and on top of it all, it's boring and sucks.
I'm thinking, what if we tried a different kind of mafia game.
Where day is 1 hour and night is 30 minutes.
Then you could play a game out in 1 day on a weekend in say like 5-6 hours tops and everyone could be active and enjoy themselves.
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I’m just going to follow the simplest explanation
I’m going with xenon, grack then holyflare or oats.
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As much as I want to flip grack, I think I'll go with the newbie first.
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On October 24 2017 05:32 Grackaroni wrote:
If I get lynched my final advice is that Holyflare should be an auto lynch if he makes it to LYLO.
I don't believe in auto lynches.
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I don’t think grack is mafia.
Grack was part of the shenanigans on day 1.
If he was mafia he could’ve easily hammered damerion when it was 4-4.
Let’s assume he’s mafia and decided to not hammer damerion.
If that’s the case then he as mafia should’ve considered that option as a way to get town cred.
The fact that grack is not using that as a hard defense of himself right now points to the fact that it was not a deliberate decision such as what a mafia would make.
If mafia gave up their team mate for town cred, they would be shouting it from the roof tops.
On top of that, it’s highly unusual for mafia to vote together off wagon. Especially day 1. It doesn’t accomplish anything as only ties them further together. A total disaster if one of them were later to be flipped.
Its not logical at all.
I also have to say that there is a tone difference with grack compared to last game he played. Right now he’s more alert, more bold in his statements. He’s done “stupid” stuff that I don’t expect mafia to make.
The play that sticks out the most was attacking oats day 1.
It was risky, was backed up with bad arguments and very uncharacteristic for a mafia play.
Oats is not a person you attack lightly as mafia. It can backfire quickly.
All in all I am heavily leaning towards grack being town.
More thoughts coming tomorrow.
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I am fully expecting krogan to be killed tonight.
You’ll see.
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On October 24 2017 11:53 Oatsmaster wrote:
I dont think mafia would be shouting it from the rooftops though, the way that Grack and Onegu went around doing it was more like they were avoiding suspicion rather than looking for towncred.
I see no reason why they would vote together day 1 and leave Conversion hanging.
Maybe they vote off-wagon, sure, but together?
If they wanted to lynch someone why didn’t they stack up on oats who already had 2 votes?
There were 2 people on oats.
Grack had basically set up the whole day 1 to justify a lynch on oats, yet he decided to lynch me with onegu. Resulting in nothing.
No, if grack is mafia his vote goes either on oats or damerion.
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On October 24 2017 16:07 Holyflare wrote:
Ruxxar already claimed mafia lol this game is over
If I am scum, I would be an idiot to defend grack when everyone wants to lynch him.
Mafia plan is simple:
1) kill krogan tonight.
2) lynch grack tomorrow.
It’s an easy win for mafia.
There is no way mafia would defend grack here.
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On October 24 2017 18:00 Holyflare wrote:
Yeh you slipped when you said they're gonna kill krogan instead of the guy who hammered mafia :D
Why would they kill me when I have been one of the strongest pushers for killing grack the whole game?
But no, as soon I start even hinting at grack being town I am mafia? The logical conclusion should be the opposite.
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On October 24 2017 19:17 Holyflare wrote:
Nop I'm going to lynch you and you can try and twist it to me being mafia all you like but I'm still just going to vote you.
We're not lynching anybody tomorrow. It's Mylo.
On October 24 2017 19:18 Holyflare wrote:
No townie makes assumptions about night kills on people with unknown alignments like you just did. It was a really bad post.
I'm making some observations about the game because the mafia game plan is very obvious.
Either
1) Grack is mafia and he's in a bad spot.
or
2) Mafia wants to lynch grack, because of town sentiment
If 2) Then:
- Mafia wants to get rid krogan because he is universally town read.
If mafia for any reason need to pivot to another target, they need options.
Only options are holyflare, oats and me. Krogan will not be lynched.
Mafia getting rid of anyone other than krogan is going to limit their target pool and be against their own self-interest.
I'm going to include myself as a likely night kill now as well after I've outed my town read on grack.
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On October 25 2017 02:17 Oatsmaster wrote:
My bad. I did not clearly read the rules.
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I would be utterly impressed if Krogan is mafia this game.
His gameplay has been super solid all throughout for a newbie.
I was particularly fond of his day 1 reflections and his ability to re-evaluate without bias when presented with credible logic.
I find it highly unlikely that krogan is mafia.
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I won't be around for deadline, so here's my list before bed. Most likely > least likely mafia.
Holyflare
Oats
Grack
Krogan
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On October 25 2017 06:19 Grackaroni wrote:
Holyflare what is your role?
He is the mafia role blocker.
Damdred was a veteran(not a medic).
There has been a night kill every night.
The only way a veteran dies is if the last mafia is the roleblocker.
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On October 25 2017 06:11 Oatsmaster wrote:
##vote rux
Why do you vote for me oats? What have I done that makes you think I’m the scummiest person in the game?
If you notice, every single person that voted for Conversion day 1 has been killed by mafia
Darth foley,
MrLonelyLock,
Damdred.
Happy krogan.
Now there is only me left, and I was the hammer on conversion.
You want to lynch the guy that absolutely hammered mafia when there was no reason to.
Remember this post?
On October 15 2017 04:33 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 04:16 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 15 2017 04:11 ruXxar wrote:On October 15 2017 04:09 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 15 2017 04:08 ruXxar wrote:On October 15 2017 03:57 Holyflare wrote:
Ruxxar still thinks I'm mafia eh? The people voting conversion are town as hell. if it comes to deadline, those are who I want to be voting with. What do you expect to happen between now and deadline that you dont want to commit??? I'm hoping damerion will show up and say something. you can do something else?? You dont even want to vote damerion anyway, why does it matter if he shows up? I really dont understand what your line of play is here Damerion looks slightly worse than conversion. Conversion is at least fighting to stay alive, and I have a soft spot for people fighting when their life is on the line. My heart is telling me to vote damerion, my head is telling me to vote conversion. I haven't made up my mind yet.
If I am mafia, I have enough reason to lynch damerion.
If I was on a team with conversion(who actually plays the game) and onegu(who just afks and don’t give a shit) I’m absolurely not going to bus my only teammate that is actually trying to play the game.
That is absurd.
Also if I’m scum, why do I go defending grack when he’s a lock mafia lynch for everyone in the game?
It’s the dumbest of dumb mafia moves when I was smooth sailing towards a grack lynch.
On the other side you have holyflare, who was begging people to lynch damerion over Conversion:
On October 15 2017 05:30 Holyflare wrote:
Everyone not voting Damerion right now I want you to write your reasons in this handy format:
All mighty Holyflare, I am sorry I am not sheeping your amazing top tier read on Damerion but I do not agree with it because (insert reasons here). Again, I am sorry that I do not support your read but acknowledge you are really, really good at this game and will listen the next time you make a read and have a full debate with you over the points that you raise. Good day, sir.
You can bet that holyflare also didnt want to lose his teammate conversion when the alternative is afk onegu.
Hammering my active partner so I can play with an afk onegu is the last thing in the world I would want.
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It’s also not like town holyflare to tunnel someone as hard as he’s done this game.
Town holyflare calls everyone scum and shifts his reads around all the time.
Here it is straight from the horses mouth.
On July 27 2017 02:14 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2017 02:07 ruXxar wrote:
Sure, but when people flip their reads from town to scum to town as quick as the bat of an eye, it doesn't feel like their reads carry any weight.
This generates the feeling of light town/scum lean hedging where you always leave yourself an escape route as scum. Which is the complete opposite of my mafia meta of hounding people till they get lynched :D
I’ve been a scum partner with holyflare before and that is definitely how he plays as mafia.
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On October 25 2017 17:54 Oatsmaster wrote:
yeah dude, literally saying that "mafia dont bus so im not mafia" isnt gonna help.
+ Show Spoiler +If I wanted to bus I did a damn bad job about it.
I didn't actively push conversion day 1.
In fact I called him town early and said that I liked his tone and spirit.
After town reading him for such a large part of the day, I suddenly at the end of day say that I am "unsure" and finally 5 minutes before deadline throw my vote on him and hammering him.
I could've just as easily voted off-wagon like grack or voted out damerion like you and holy flare and still be alive as much as you are.
Add to the fact that onegu was voting me together with grack.
The scenario you're trying to portray here is that:
I bussed conversion.
Onegu bussed me.
Meanwhile I left my team mate conversion kicking and screaming trying to fight to stay alive and I just stood by and did nothing.
Worse still, I spat him in the face and voted him off.
I would feel disgusted with myself if I ever did such a thing and I'll have you know I'm very fond of conversion as a person.
I would never do such a thing to him.
On October 25 2017 17:55 Oatsmaster wrote:
Since when was grack a "smooth sailing lynch"?
+ Show Spoiler +Since krogan made this post: On October 22 2017 21:30 happykrogan wrote:I think I vote grack today. Conversion gave him a townrad after damerions push Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 01:04 Conversion wrote:On October 15 2017 00:58 Damerion wrote:On October 15 2017 00:53 darthfoley wrote:On October 15 2017 00:48 Damerion wrote:Once again hello and like the proverbial Santa Clause I have brought a most interesting gift that I wish the thread to take a stance on and give their thoughts, and gut leanings. Firstly I read the Grackaroni and Oatsmaster exchanges and did not think much on it but as I was checking filters something very interesting popped out on me. The interesting thing is how Grackaroni treats Oatsmaster to start with and how he ends up treating him. On October 14 2017 03:10 Grackaroni wrote:I'm going to give a read that I don't think too many people will agree with but I think Oatsmaster is mafia. In this game he seems less chill compared to Hurricane and I get the sense in a few posts that he's questioning things that look unusual rather than things that I think he would normally find scummy. On October 13 2017 11:42 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 13 2017 07:59 Fecalfeast wrote:
Damdred trying to pocket damerion, ruxxar ignoring oats calling him a liar. Relevant? We shall see. whats the point of this post? On October 13 2017 11:43 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 13 2017 09:10 Damdred wrote:
But seriously pocmeting people is super impkrtant in the long run for survival Can you explain why a townie wants to pocket people to survive? I left links so you can decide for yourself between the first two pages of each game, but it seems to me like he cares more about his image in this game than the other one. (he was town in hurricane.) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/527379-newbie-student-mafia-xxvii?user=Oatsmasterhttp://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/526614-hurricane-shelter-mafia?user=Oatsmaster We first have his original read on Oats, it was novel at the time. He has something original to show the thread and does so, it gains him some surface town credit from several members of the town. On October 14 2017 03:58 Grackaroni wrote:On October 14 2017 03:55 ruXxar wrote:On October 14 2017 03:50 Grackaroni wrote:I'm going to guess that Oats is town in that game you linked and check before I post. Yeah ok HF/Damdred/Onegu were scum but obviously town is always a more likely guess since more people roll town. I do think he looks pretty different in both of those games in the way that he accuses people. In those 2 he throws out accusations without much fanfare. Hurricane: On September 29 2017 11:51 Oatsmaster wrote:On September 29 2017 11:23 Damerion wrote:
Hello, I am glad to be here playing with you fine people. Damdred speaks highly of everyone here, and I hope the game is enjoyable.
I have two things that came to mind when I read what little of the game there is.
1) Grackaroni opening post, to put it bluntly is trash. At the same time he says nothing of value and tries to buddy fecalfeast (I assume) into making an alliance when it is impossible for him to know alignments.
Unless he is mafia, which associative read incoming means FecalFeast is more likely town for the way Grackaroni interacted with him.
2) I have come up with a pretty simple plan how to approach d1.
Step one: The marksman (vig), should claim as soon as town agrees with this plan (which they should).
Step two: We should use this power as a second lynch and have a vote in thread to direct the power.
Step three: Mafia is more than likely forced into a situation where they must let the Vigilante shoot and kill him, or roleblock him. The simplest solution is to put the watcher on the Vigilante N1.
Step Four: The medic should be off doing medic things more than likely on another target, if the mafia send the godfather and kill the Vigilante nothing is lost, if they roleblock him we instantly have a one and one trade.
Step Five: I assume medic cannot protect multiple nights in a row, therefore if the Vigilante survives the medic should protect him here and the Watcher should look elsewhere.
This plan gives us the most information that we can control and boxes the mafia into only a few moves they can make early in the game.
I think we should follow this plan. mafia On September 29 2017 15:20 Oatsmaster wrote:On September 29 2017 12:21 Damerion wrote:
I am unsure why you have me as mafia Oatsmaster, could you expound on why you think that?
Vivax why is directing blues in that way not pro-town? We would gain a good bit of information by controlling multiple lynches or kp, and have confirmed town for multiple days leading the town towards a strong circle.
mainly because having a second lynch really doesnt matter. On September 29 2017 16:37 Oatsmaster wrote:
filter links plz
i think its pretty scumy On September 30 2017 01:23 Oatsmaster wrote:On September 29 2017 22:48 Vivax wrote:
I really have no idea what is wrong with my statement. It didn't bother me much when Oats pointed it out since his read on me is always shit, but to both of you it should be obvious that it simply means claiming afk = claiming scum and if two mafias claimed scum already, then the game will be too easy and boring.
With HF there's a decent chance he actually just said it cause he did it as mafia just last game and he thinks it's funny to mess with the reads on him. But for Koshi I see no such excuse. lol Names are Hard 2: On August 26 2017 02:18 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 25 2017 05:47 Tumblewood wrote:
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nope i'm still here i just haven't cared enough to say anything else mafia On August 25 2017 06:21 geript wrote:
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I'm the towniest of all. Also, I'm pretty sure that Koshi is mafia. His post towards you and asking about Damdred's townread is pretty out of place. As Town, you love to lynch stupid; it's like your kryptonite. But as mafia you have much less of a hardon for stupid from what I've seen and just push 85% bullshit. Koshi not getting this after the last two games is pretty odd; especially since Tina brought it up in generic and Koshi was bussing her at various points. mafia geript doesnt actually care about getting koshi lynched. He just wants to sidetrack town. On August 26 2017 02:24 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 25 2017 06:10 LightningStrike wrote:
I was giving rayn his time to talk to Skynx while watching Impractical Jokers. Skynx being a bit combative towards rayn hmm. Is this normal behavior from Skynx as either alignment for those who got good amount of experience playing with him? Useless question. On August 25 2017 08:37 LightningStrike wrote:
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Yes I know I fooled people in the past in 2 of my scum games but Damdred usually gets me right except a few times when he either almost gets me mislynched or actually got me lynched on shannies. Damdred helped me a bit on my scum game I will tell you that as he was in a scum team with me where we almost won had it not been for sicklucker not giving a shit for a couple of cells (Cell Millionaire). Trust Damdred's read on me. Its interesting(scummy) how he says "trust" damdred's read when he doesnt know damdred's alignment. Or does he??? On August 25 2017 08:39 LightningStrike wrote:
Side note I think Damdred could be town this game as well as rayn and Koshi just need them to stop fighting each other. Also this is a pretty big "side" note that LS just brushes under. He isnt trying to find mafia, hes just going with the status quo and waiting for things to happen. On August 26 2017 02:25 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 25 2017 18:21 Vivax wrote:
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No idea but the idea is so abstruse to think of as mafia that I have to take it at face value. Uneccesary town read without an alternative. possible mafia. In this game I get the sense that he's putting on more of a show of pressuring people and looking useful. I don't see it grack. His tone is no different this game than from those games you quoted. Is your main issue that he doesn't use the word "Mafia" when calling out people? Because I think that is a weak argument when the message is still delivered with the same intention, tone and intensity. Well you're either going to see it or you won't. I do think there is a noticeable difference in Oats' posting and it's not just that he didn't say mafia like he did in those other two games. I have choosen to show the larger quote of the conversation between RuxXar and Grackaroni. Grackaroni is sure about his read on Oatsmaster and tries to convince based off of past tonal differences and approach to the game. At this point I do not see anything really bad about the approach. On October 14 2017 06:40 Grackaroni wrote:On October 14 2017 06:38 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 14 2017 04:28 Grackaroni wrote:Happykrogan is almost certainly town. RuXxar is also the only player silly enough to think that drawing suspicion to himself would be a good town plan. + Show Spoiler +On October 14 2017 03:36 ruXxar wrote:
Then there's the passive way, where you make yourself vulnerable and allow people to push you.
This requires you to make yourself a target that people want to engage with, by performing actions that people find dubious.
Have you seen any of ruxxs mafia games? I think I've skimmed some of them from when I played with him as town but I don't think I've ever seen him play mafia. On October 14 2017 08:57 Grackaroni wrote:On October 14 2017 08:46 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 14 2017 08:36 Grackaroni wrote:On October 14 2017 08:05 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 08:01 Oatsmaster wrote:
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so why do you use a meta read to townread someone when you have no idea how they would play as mafia???
TMI??!?
Grack wasn’t metareading ruxxar as town there, he was jut statig ruxxar was the only one silly enough to vouch drawing suspicion as a good town play. Not really seeing where you saw him draw a metaread conclusion This. I wasn't calling him town in that post. I was saying that only he could possibly think that doing that would be a good idea. but "good town plan" implies that you think hes town. Like come on dude. Stop waffling. Otherwise it would be "xx scum plan". I don't know why I always have to have these arguments with you when they always revolve around you not being able to understand a post. Here's what he said: + Show Spoiler +"To me there's two ways to solve the game.
There's the active way, were you make reads, pressure and push people.
This is what people refer to when they say "Solving the game". Aka what oats is doing.
Then there's the passive way, where you make yourself vulnerable and allow people to push you.
This requires you to make yourself a target that people want to engage with, by performing actions that people find dubious."
I said that he would be the only one who could possibly think that this would be pro-town because it's a silly way to play and not pro-town. On October 14 2017 09:27 Grackaroni wrote:On October 14 2017 09:15 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 14 2017 08:57 Grackaroni wrote:
I said that he would be the only one who could possibly think that this would be pro-town because it's a silly way to play and not pro-town.
but if hes mafia he doesnt think its protown and therefore you think hes town because you believe that he thinks he is doing something protown It could be that he's town and think it's smart town play or he could be mafia and still think that it's pro-town or maybe he just got a lot of attention as mafia and thinks that is a passable excuse. I think no matter what he thinks it's a reasonable sentence, but I wasn't really trying to place any particular inference onto the post. On October 14 2017 15:41 Grackaroni wrote:
Oats do you like your Ruxxar vote? Now, his approach and tone towards Oatsmaster has completely changed. He is speaking to him and with him as if he is town and is trying to figure out common ground that they can work on. Grackaroni vote is still on Oatsmaster, he has tried to convince people that Oatsmaster is scum. But the approach he takes towards him does not make sense for someone with a scum read on said person. Oatsmaster nonresponse to Grackaroni posts is interesting as well. But its not quite uo to the level I just pointed out. Do you plan on ever calling someone scum, or are you just gonna keep saying stuff is "interesting?" While I appreciate your thoughts on that matter if you would turn your attention to what I actually wrote and give a word or two om that it would be appreciated. To me it just seems like Grack is not confident in his read, as no one seems to really be backing him up On October 14 2017 09:38 Grackaroni wrote:On October 14 2017 09:11 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 08:44 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 14 2017 08:10 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 08:08 Oatsmaster wrote:
He didnt say "mafia wont do that", he specifically said "rux will only do that as town" I mean.. I don’t think he specifically SAID those exact words, but semantics. do you have a point that you want to make about gracks read on rux? Because right now it looks like you are arguing about it for the sake of arguing Grack isn’t making any real read besides on you, which was based on a meta read he wasn’t trying to convince me or ruxxar.. so idk I just find it interesting you ignored that fact and slammed him on something he wasn’t intending to imply I did try to convince you/Ruxxar but that's not an easy thing to do. Right now a lot of what I'm working off of is just a feel for whose posting seems weird to me out of the people I've played with before. That won't be worth much in convincing people unless other people who have played with him also feel that his posting is different, which it seems like they don't. I don't know how scum Grack plays, but it seems pretty bad to pin someone as scum and do a soft "I'm might be backing out of this read b/c now I'm unsure with no one agreeing with me" Later both mafia call him not interesting / to be ignored Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 02:08 Conversion wrote:Damerion is pretty lackluster this game. no idea why. Grack-oats interaction wasn't as interesting as he insinuated it to be. Damdred is doing nothing per usual even though he thinks he is lynch-invincible. I don't like him. I'm not lynching Onegu since he came like 1 hr before lynch and shennani'd scum in the first game I played coming back FF's posts are shit and he does nothing, but doesn't mean much since he was like that the game I lynched him. I'd lynch Xen over him, if it came to it. ruxxar seemed good, but now he's AFK. need you to get off HF and figure out scum with me instead of parking on HF. I'm never gonna townread HF, but he looks better than every single one of you except DF maybe FF/Xen for lynch today. Otherwise Damerion. Maybe spite lynch damdred for supposed lynch invincibility claim he made.. Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 04:54 Onegu wrote:
On openings. There are 2 I didnt like.
Ruxxar and Damerion. Ruxxar seemed way to happy. Like way to happy, seemed off to me.
And Damerion was like lets not talk about roles but here is what you should do. Also to wordy. Seemed like he wrote it proof read it thought about it and posted it. Not really a way town thinks./ plays.
Like damdred feeling off about ruxxar says people who make him laugh but the fact he said something first I like.
Boom Oats comes in and slams Rux. I like oats.
HF says the same about Damer I like HF
Damdreds hard defend of Damer I find odd. Like he agrees he is playing different from the previous game but not enough different feels really off now with this defense.
Boom MrLonelyClock hits on Damerion. I like this newbie. He is somewhere inbetween the blue and yellow also!
Ugg but then he just is ok on Damer after one small post. TT why you do this. You null now.
Then votes with oats on Ruxx. Which I do like at this point.
I also like happykrogen at the moment. his response to damer is nice.
Yeah I like HF at the moment. Normally I just ignore him at this point. but meh.
Conversion giveing a town read and then like not saying why and its the same post other people said about Clock and the defense of Damer in the same post. dont like dont like...
Ruxxar like conversion. Makes me like conversion even less...
Ruxxar shits on me. Like Ruxxar even less.
Krogan voteing Rux. I like I like.
My god I like Rux less and less as I read. Like coaching the newbies to look helpful. Bleh I just dont like him at all.
Krogran picks up on it. My HERO!!!
Ruxxar going to try to lynch me I can feel it.
FF giveing Ruxxar a out is meh really.
I really feel weird about people 13 pages in only having town reads. Like not even scum leans its null or town thats it.
Ruxxar with the coaching again. Like I guess its a defense of him self but the way he does it in like a coaching way. Activity is town blah blah blah just rubs me the wrong way.
Grack is forgettable... bleh
HF is back to ignore... The whole krogan/ruxxar thing and HF response to it is making my response ignore HF.
DF I am ok with for now. His post about agreeing with HF on Krogan is bleh. I mean who isnt town reading Krogan right now? And that is a reason to give HF a pass? And I dont really like his Ruxxar town read. But his post isnt bringing any more red flags other than those.
But then the next post is within HF scum range... Lol ok... Still ok with DF.
Oats TMI post is meh. Still like his pushes though....
The whole thing on pocketing people is stupid and I am dumber for reading it.
HUH xenon thinks rux is town so he votes Oats? That cant be a scum play right> Like it just cant. I mean right? Huh?
Oats points out my thought on xenonn but I think 60% lynch bait 40% scum because really?
So I am running out of time so I am going to post this. I am still reading but I am also about to Top 8 a large MTGO tourny. Sooooo.
But it doesn't really stick out in their filters. They both put it in bigger posts. It seems like they would want to demonstrate how irrelevant Grack is. Also there are things in his filter I don't like Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 02:04 Grackaroni wrote:On October 15 2017 02:01 Holyflare wrote:
Onegu did the exact same thing afking last game and was town, Conversion, it's just a 50/50 whether he's mafia so to have him as your biggest scum read is somewhat of a giant cop out when there's a plethora of people posting. nah it's a 21.4/78.6 because probabilities. I know this is a weaker point but I still want to mention it. With mentioning the exact probabilties it seems like he want to demonstrate that it's unlikely that Onegu is mafia. Show nested quote +On October 16 2017 06:30 Grackaroni wrote:
HF/Onegu or Oatsmaster/Onegu.
Without reading anything beyond Damerion's post I quite like that idea. Mafia probably aren't going to just stack all 3 people on the Damerion lynch. A day later he says it's likely that Onegu is mafia, but he never commited or tried to push. Show nested quote +On October 16 2017 08:11 Grackaroni wrote:Actually I think we should kill Fecalfeast. His scum reads are all just the 3 people who took pressure yesterday plus he was one of the people on the Damerion wagon and I noticed this call out from Darthfoley. On October 14 2017 07:17 darthfoley wrote:Okay, so i really like happykrogan guy. Which makes me also like HF, because he drew the same conclusion that I did: I doubt a newbie like krogan would be this active and not be afraid to call someone out as first time mafia. I think ruxxar is town, but I can understand why people-- especially new players-- might interpret his play as mafia. I also think Oats is more likely town than not. He was one of the first players to get the game moving, and I like his pressure on the LonelyClock dude. Still waiting for an answer on this, I think On October 13 2017 15:34 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 13 2017 14:49 MrLonelyClock wrote:
I agreed about ruxxar posting fluff. Me voting on ruxxar != me thinking he is mafia atm. But I can see how you could come to that conclusion now. I guess we will have to disagree on the counterpoints validity.
So why are you voting for him? Don't like Damdred or FF right now. FF: On October 14 2017 00:15 Fecalfeast wrote:
Like I said early on, ruxxar is trying too hard On October 14 2017 01:52 Fecalfeast wrote:
Tbh i think ruxxar not giving a shit seems towny This progression is odd and without any sort of explanation. The first post also doesn't say anything. People can try hard from either alignment. Also strikes me as odd that he's scum reading Damerion for unearned town read on FF... On October 14 2017 03:31 Fecalfeast wrote:On October 14 2017 02:45 MrLonelyClock wrote:
fecal if you think ruxxar is towny then who do you think currently is the most scummy then (can be 1 or more)? Damerion for giving me a town read for basocally no reason. Seems tmi to me When Damdred has somehow managed to townread like 6 people and put them into "no lynch" pile just 24h into the game. Yet no mention of Damdred. It's like he doesn't exist. Speaking of Damdred On October 14 2017 03:21 Damdred wrote:
Ok, so I feel a little guilty at this point in time and I will try to be tge old Damdred this game.
Fact check away on my reads this train aint got no breaks and i aint got time to quote on phone.
Town Reads:
Damerion, he has this thing he does as town where he will have this skrt of mission statement about how he will approach the game. He has checked that, he gives clear concise reada with hard reasoning behind it, done. He also seems to try to draw people into conversation instead of existing.
Rux rux baby: Off the cuff read, the eay he responds to the pressure is town. Does t care, tries to be helpful and then establishes where he wants to be in the game. I think hes just going to be town for the tone and the lressure, but his reads were not bad.
If anyone tries to lynch rux at least today I will let slip the dogs of war and create chaos.
FF: Hey buddy we should work together, care free attitude. Gives some opinions still a bit weak on a few points, overall would not kynch today.
Gracky: Posts his thoughts, goes against thread sentiment a post or two ago. Seems to be looking where others dont, no lynch today.
Oats: Seemed to be reading the game a d his lressure wasnt horrid. It is defi ately not top town worthy but enough for a pass.
Xenon and nylonelylock are both town i feel for how they approached the game as newbs. Meh they were soitting fire earlier
Everyone else is in this null range besides hf who I love dearly but am ignoring until he wants cuddles. Besides the fact that Damdred has only given vague town/null leans on virtually every active player, one read sticks out to me as more scummy than others. Damdred's read on FF feels fabricated. FF "gives some opinions" but FF is "weak on a few points" yet Damdred would still not lynch him today. He never specifies what points he's weak on, doesn't try to follow up with FF and clarify those "weak points." Talk about an unearned town read. So I have no idea why FF isn't scum reading Damdred considering his self imposed criteria regarding Damerion. In the last game FF slipped by carelessly saying that he would just sheep HF without noticing that HF was pushing somebody he was town reading. He went from calling Ruxxar scum for trying too hard to calling him town because he doesn't give a shit in an hour, and it was around the time people's opinion of Ruxxar seemed to be shifting. He was the first one to vote FF day2 but afer this post he stayed in the background. I always remembered as HF's lynch but he was actually the first one. And holy flare made these posts about grack: On October 22 2017 00:27 Holyflare wrote:
It's just fucking boring to play these games because it's the same every damn time, either I'm mafia and play non-stop to win or other people are mafia and afk the shit out of the game and make any kind of analysis absolutely irrelevant and it's a colossal waste of my time. Onegu just afked at the start of the game and didn't even save his team mate and likely his other team mate is the newbie or grack and didn't even vote for damerion to save conversion.
Then the rest of the game who aren't even mafia can't even be fucked to vote when they have 48 hours to place a vote and instead they wait until 47.5 hours to place a vote. The whole point of the game is to vote, analyse what they post and find contradictions but instead we just have people that could be mafia or are just lazy town just voting because they HAVE to to avoid modkill.
It's really not fun and please think twice about signing up if you're not going to play. On October 24 2017 05:05 Holyflare wrote:
Don't particularly care if newbie dies because he could equally be mafia and this game would be even more irrelevant but I'm placing my vote on the only guy to join mafia onegu on a shenanigan wagon at near deadline which was grack. On October 24 2017 09:18 Holyflare wrote:
It's really quite simple. Mafia's strategy is to keep their team mate alive. The fact that onegu tried to initiate a shenanigan on a completely different wagon is fucking retarded but he stuck to it when 90% of his read through was that Damerion was mafia. It didn't make the slightest bit of sense to vote onegu and I still wouldn't ever agree with Damerion that what he said makes onegu mafia in a million years when the assumption is that mafia is fucking stupid.
Now, we know that the mafia plan was to instead initiate a shenanigan to ruxxar or whoever the fuck onegu was on. Either onegu does this to further his retarded plot and distance on mafia team mate ruxxar or the mafia counter wagon to save conversion was ruxxar. The fact you voted ruxxar was very out of the blue and you were further off wagon for no reason to begin with. It's quite likely you tried to divert with onegu rather than the mafia strategy just being let conversion die. and you made these posts about grack On October 24 2017 07:30 Oatsmaster wrote:
I really don't like the ideas that grack is pushing on HF that don't make any sense. On October 24 2017 10:10 Oatsmaster wrote:
You know what grack. You were super non committal around day 1. On October 24 2017 10:14 Oatsmaster wrote:
I don't see any reason at all why you voted for rux And I made these posts about grack: On October 18 2017 16:28 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 01:19 Grackaroni wrote:
I don't think Conversion is a good lynch he seems very relaxed to me.
This was when he was being pressured by DF and flailing around. Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 02:18 Grackaroni wrote:On October 15 2017 02:16 Damdred wrote:
Im going backslide a bit, if there is a scum between conversion and df its df.
Hot take Seconded. But I figured you meant to say Lonelylock/Conversion was town v town, which I would absolutely agree with. He thought conversion was more towny than DF. Im voting grack tomorrow. Scum team could just be damdred/grack to be honest. On October 18 2017 16:33 ruXxar wrote:
I actually feel very confident in a grack/damdred team.
All of town had grack as a suspect. A smart mafia would keep his mouth shut and roll with that town sentinment. Especially if it was me after having lynched mafia day 1. Why do I throw away my town cred by defending grack? I was expecting town sentinment to turn against me. What's happening right now is exactly as I predicted it would be. 1) I defend grack 2) Krogan gets lynched. 3) Holyflare is going to call me mafia Now compare the situation I'm in now, to the one before I defended grack. In every single scenario, defending grack is a terrible move when I know that everyone is suspicious of grack. I'm not doing this because I want to lynch holyflare. I'm doing this because I don't want to lynch town and lose the game.
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On October 26 2017 02:08 Oatsmaster wrote:
Also, you defended grack so that he would vote with you and all you had to do is convince me that HF is mafia.
Let's do an exercise from before I defended grack.
If you were me and I was mafia, who do you think you would have the most success attempting to lynch of these 3 people?
You
Grack
Holyflare
+ Show Spoiler +Here are the sentiments before I defended grack.
Holyflare: Wants to lynch grack.
Grack: Wants to lynch holyflare.
Oats: Wants to lynch grack.
Me: Wants to lynch grack.
If I try to lynch you, I would have to convince grack and holyflare.
If I try to lynch holyflare I would have to convince you.
If I try to lynch grack, I wouldn't have to convince anyone.
The least path of resistance is to lynch grack.
Instead I decided to take the path that needs not only convincing you, but turns one of the hardest people in the game to lynch against me.
If I came this close to winning the game in mylo, it's a suicide attempt to try and lynch holyflare at this point.
After all the work I did bussing earlier in the game, I would throw it now at the end by lynching holyflare.
The level of decision making from the early bus to this late game throw do not line up as being planned out by a mafia trying his hardest to win the game.
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On October 26 2017 02:57 Oatsmaster wrote:
Probably HF is the easiest to lynch.
Why is HF easier to lynch than Grack?
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On October 26 2017 03:48 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2017 03:20 ruXxar wrote:On October 26 2017 02:57 Oatsmaster wrote:
Probably HF is the easiest to lynch. Why is HF easier to lynch than Grack? Because of all the things you said lol.
I want to hear your own reasoning.
Why is HF easier to lynch than grack?
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On October 26 2017 03:55 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2017 03:20 ruXxar wrote:On October 26 2017 02:57 Oatsmaster wrote:
Probably HF is the easiest to lynch. Why is HF easier to lynch than Grack? He's done so much stupid shit this game. Way more than grack.
Stupid shit like what?
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On October 26 2017 04:04 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2017 04:00 ruXxar wrote:On October 26 2017 03:55 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 26 2017 03:20 ruXxar wrote:On October 26 2017 02:57 Oatsmaster wrote:
Probably HF is the easiest to lynch. Why is HF easier to lynch than Grack? He's done so much stupid shit this game. Way more than grack. Stupid shit like what? Being tunneled on dam? Randomly claiming shit
On October 26 2017 04:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
Bad interactions with conversion
And those things are less scummy than me lynching mafia because...?
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On October 26 2017 05:10 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2017 04:06 ruXxar wrote:On October 26 2017 04:04 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 26 2017 04:00 ruXxar wrote:On October 26 2017 03:55 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 26 2017 03:20 ruXxar wrote:On October 26 2017 02:57 Oatsmaster wrote:
Probably HF is the easiest to lynch. Why is HF easier to lynch than Grack? He's done so much stupid shit this game. Way more than grack. Stupid shit like what? Being tunneled on dam? Randomly claiming shit On October 26 2017 04:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
Bad interactions with conversion And those things are less scummy than me lynching mafia because...? Because stupid =/= scummy. But I've obviously made that mistake multiple times haha
I totally agree that stupid is not the same as scummy, and I've made the same mistake a lot too
But how do you tell the difference between someone being scummy vs something being stupid?
It's really hard sometimes and it's not an exact science.
What would you give as example of things that I have done that are strictly scummy and not stupid?
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On October 26 2017 05:52 Oatsmaster wrote:
Being the only one that lynched conversion and not dying is pretty scummy.
There hasn't been enough days for mafia to kill everyone that lynched conversion :/
We are currently on day 5.
+ Show Spoiler +On October 15 2017 06:00 Rels wrote:
Final Day 1 Votecount
Conversion (4): darthfoley, MrLonelyClock, happykrogan, Damdred, ruXxar
Conversion is the lynch! Night 1 - darthfoley (Vanilla Town) was killedNight 2 - MrLonelyClock (Parity Cop) was killedNight 3 - Damdred (Veteran) was killedNight 4 - happykrogan (Vanilla Town) was killed
On October 26 2017 05:52 Oatsmaster wrote:
Onegu throwing shade on you for distance is pretty scummy.
Onegu threw shade on damerion too. Was that for distancing also?
Why would onegu try to distance from me by attacking me, and not conversion who was the one getting lynched?
On October 15 2017 05:52 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 05:35 ruXxar wrote:
So you're going to leave without giving an opinion on the two current wagons.
How helpful you are. Read idiot I dont like damerion. Conversion I have no real thought on. You are scum though.
On October 26 2017 05:53 Oatsmaster wrote:
Also lynching damerion but acting like he's confirmed town is pretty scummy
This I can agree with. I was super waffly on damerion and simply couldn't figure out whether damerion was playing bad or was scummy. That is on me
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On October 27 2017 00:47 Grackaroni wrote:
I'm in the sweet spot right now where if the mafia is Ruxxar I'll win despite voting HF and if the mafia is Holyflare I can just blame it on Oatsmaster.
What is your reason for voting HF over me and oats?
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On October 27 2017 01:30 Oatsmaster wrote:It's always good to have a positive mindset
It's like being on an airplane.
No point in worrying about things you can't control.
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On October 27 2017 04:25 Holyflare wrote:
it was a good bus ruxxar but very very very unnecessary
Thank you.
I'm a heartless bitch who'll do anything to win.
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On October 27 2017 04:31 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2017 04:25 Holyflare wrote:
it was a good bus ruxxar but very very very unnecessary Lynching damerion day 1 wouldn't have turned out well though
Did your role PM say mafia siding town?
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On October 27 2017 04:31 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2017 04:25 Holyflare wrote:
it was a good bus ruxxar but very very very unnecessary Lynching damerion day 1 wouldn't have turned out well though
I'm curious. Why wouldn't it?
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On October 27 2017 05:15 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2017 05:14 ruXxar wrote:On October 27 2017 04:31 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 27 2017 04:25 Holyflare wrote:
it was a good bus ruxxar but very very very unnecessary Lynching damerion day 1 wouldn't have turned out well though I'm curious. Why wouldn't it? Because he's town? Lol
On October 27 2017 05:15 Oatsmaster wrote:
I doubt we would be lynched conversion day 2
That doesn't sound like a bad scenario for mafia.
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I wonder why mafia didn't try to lynch damerion then. I guess mafia arent so smart.
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On October 27 2017 05:24 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2017 05:20 ruXxar wrote:
I wonder why mafia didn't try to lynch damerion then. I guess mafia arent so smart. Don't beat yourself up
I won't have to. I've done my job.
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Alas I leave you with this oats.
Don't beat yourself up after the deadline.
You were so close, but you just couldn't pass the last hurdle.
I'm sure you'll get it right next time.
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Good game oats, well played.
I also didn't catch the grack flip, so I didn't even know that was a thing.
Only thing I didn't like this game was the way onegu ditched his team.
It's respectless and I had him held to a higher standard.
It's also the only reason i thought he would be town.
Now anything could've happened, so I'm not going to judge until I hear his side of the story.
Barring that I thought the newbies played really well.
I want to give an extra shoutout to krogan and mrlonelyclock who I think played exceptionally well for being their first game on here.
Holyflare and me are just like dogs and cats every game, and no matter how friendly we get, we somehow always end up voting for each other anyway.
I did enjoy playing with you this game, besides the 1 remark about my bus being unnecessary which did tilt me quite hard.
I'm a bit disappointed in grack for being afk the last day, but otherwise he had a good read on oats and I wish he woud just have pushed that a little bit more.
Otherwise I'm quite happy with how the game turned out.
Town got unlucky with the power roles (no info from parity cop, last mafia was roleblocker).
The game could've swinged either way and I didn't feel like an auto lynch game which was good.
Thanks to the mods for the good hosting and everyone else for participating.
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According to obs chat damdred was obviously crumbing blue.
Can someone explain how he was doing that and how I can spot it?
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On October 27 2017 08:48 Oatsmaster wrote:
yup.
I looked really bad after damdred claimed, thats the point where you guys couldve got it together but xennon too lynchbaity
I was a hairs breadth away from calling you mafia and changing my vote when you said that holyflare was the easiest lynch.
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I don’t remember what point I made about grack but, I don’t think hf is ever an easier lynch than grack in that position.
Like, I felt like grack was pretty much an autolynch at that point until I started defending him.
I don’t think mafia in my position ever starts defending grack and starts attacking holyflare.
I did not expect to get holy flare lynched anyway.
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I can tell from my own view that I don’t always like engaging with you because you can come off as aggrsssive, hostile and abrasive.
I don’t feel encouraged to engage with you when you have this cocky “I'm obviously right and you guys are all shitters”attitude that’s trying to ram your own opinion down peoples throat.
Personally I think you would have more success engaging people if you used a milder tone and asked more questions.
This is my raw, honest opinion.
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It's hard to give credibility to damerion when he's barely interacting with the thread.
Despite him being town, he did not play partciularly towny.
HF is absolutely right that a lot of town reads comes from how people interact with the thread, and his reads on damerion are absolutely justified.
It doesn't help to have amazing reads when the way you (don't)interact ruins all your credibility.
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On October 27 2017 16:39 Holyflare wrote:
I understand that but it's just because I get frustrated that when I post good points on someone and nothing happens and 50% of the game haven't voted it's fucking frustrating and so I revert to berating people to follow me instead because that works 10/10 times.
Which is why I'm surprised you called me mafia (and part of the reason I voted you) for doing what I do as town.
I am a lot nicer to interact with if people actually play the game of mafia and post X, Y, Z points and have a discussion over that and then we reach an agreement or disagreement. Much much more enjoyable. Instead we get someone says X and everyone meanders along afk and there's no rhyme or reason to it other than feels.
Although day 1 was "active" 6 people hadn't voted really close up to deadline so what the fuck is the point? The same happened day 2 or 3 as well where 5 people didn't vote until 30 minutes!!! to deadline. That's 47.5 hours of pissing into the wind.
I was wrong on Damerion, sure, but that's because he did absolutely nothing to interact with me because of habitually not being around and so that enables me to spin my wheels waiting for replies and work myself into a tunnel.
I get that people have things to do and there's "enough" content to read people and make the right decisions but I don't work by reading anymore, I work on interactions which I'm just not getting anymore on this site due to people's real lives getting in the way.
It's just not particularly fun anymore I guess.
I know how you feel, and I feel the same way too.
I don't think your damerion read was bad at all. It just looked worse because conversion flipped mafia.
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Also the point where you said that krogan had the best read in the game, but you didn't scum read me was one of the things that made me really think you were mafia.
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Right, but it looked like you were goading krogan into starting a push on me when he was sitting on the fence.
In my head the outcomes would either be:
1) He starts a legit train on me and you would jump on later.
2) He would call me scum and later look bad when I flipped town.
3) I would counter push him and I would look bad when he flipped town
It gave you the freedom to start a town vs town conflict without any of the risk.
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I'm really sorry damerion if I offended you that way.
I hope you understand it was never meant to be a personal attack on you, it was just the way I was reading the situation in the context of a mafia game.
I hope you will continue to stay and play with us as I appreciate you very much.
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@HTS: I'm not sure what ideas you fed into krogans head but he did an excellent job
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Sometimes I wish I had a coach as well that could snap me out of my dumb tunnel and just re-evaluate everything.
I feel like even if I'm taking a breather, even if I step away. I'm still webbed down in my stupid tunnel.
Here's a couple things I regret not saying:
1) When holyflare was stating that there was absolutely no way it made sense for him to be mafia, I should've asked him that if it wasn't him, and I know it wasn't me, then it has to be one of oats or grack. What do you think of oats and grack?
2) After oats said that holyflare is easier to lynch than grack or oats, I should've asked holyflare what he thought of that opinion. I should've asked the same question to holyflare as I did to oats.
I keep telling myself that next time.. next time I'm going to be totally objective when evaluating people.
But I just keep falling in the same damn tunnel trap.
Someone please smack me in the head next time so I wake up.
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