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On October 12 2017 07:42 xenonn40 wrote:
Sorry for the late confirmation all.
it's okay, we'll just policy lynch you day 1
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On October 13 2017 06:18 Holyflare wrote:
I'm not VT.
I'm not not VT
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I can't believe my last game played was in August. I apologize to everyone for my glorious absence
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On October 13 2017 06:42 Damdred wrote:
To cool for school list:
Rux
Damerion
FF
Grackybaby
To awesome to ignore
df
Considering i'm now a teacher, i find it appalling to be left off of your first list
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On October 13 2017 06:57 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2017 06:14 ruXxar wrote:
Being mafia is very stressful in your first game.
You become uptight, unsure of how to act.
Your opening posts signals to me that you're telling the truth.
I believe you are what you say you are. this is a really long explanation for something that is really simple.
hey oats, keep speaking
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On October 13 2017 10:38 MrLonelyClock wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2017 06:38 Damerion wrote:
Hello good people of TLMafia, it is pleasurable that we meet again.
Firstly I am going to approach this game slightly different than I did last game, I will do much more town hunting and see if I can POE a scum team into oblivion instead of finding a few slips early and pounding the ever living hell out of the person into submission.
Secondly as the setup is much different than last game, we should do our best not to talk about roles or claim them unless in supreme danger, especially the newer players should be aware of this. And that is the last thing I will say about roles.
My first to early townread is on FecalFeast, general tone and playful approach to the game points to a more than likely chance of being town at this point in time. If you look at his previous games his posts were a bit more guarded and just generally lacked the playful approach he has shown at this point.
The second thing is HappyKrogan postings are interesting, (I know I am already sliding backwards) in comparison to other people who have posted the posts feel forced and have this sense of wanting to fit in. It also draws my eyebrow upwards how he keeps referring to himself as just normal VT. My first game as scum I had an almost identical entrance post because I just did not know how to interact with the people in the game. I think he is worth watching especially as his reads develop or fail to achieve.
I also did not dislike RuxXar opening salvo of posts even if it is not super indicative at this moment in time, he was playful and did not seem angry at others having fun. So I have a good feeling about him at present. First half is garbage. Let people play how they want. Its early in the game so the reads I would say are kinda forced but that can be expected. However having 3 reads this early just seems like you want to throw out the "HEY IM POSTING A LOT, LOOK AT THIS TOWNIE". Also your posts kinda annoy me. It's as if I'm reading a novel and not actually having a conversation. Feels like talking (or typing) to a wall of sorts.
keep spitting fire big fella
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On October 13 2017 13:30 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2017 13:15 MrLonelyClock wrote:On October 13 2017 12:59 Oatsmaster wrote:
Why doesnt anyone else want to lynch rux.
Hes been doing nothing but fluff and totally ignores my legitimate argument.
I don't agree with your argument that ruxxar lied. I think he meant to say that others shouldn't think krogan is mafia because if his "forced" introduction. However I do agree with your comment on his fluff. I'll sheep along for now. #vote ruxxar ?????????????? he literally says none of that is referring to other peoples read on him. Why does his fluff make you vote him over the multitudes of other people posting nothing but fluff?
yes sir, the real deal neal
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On October 13 2017 13:33 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2017 13:32 darthfoley wrote:On October 13 2017 13:30 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 13 2017 13:15 MrLonelyClock wrote:On October 13 2017 12:59 Oatsmaster wrote:
Why doesnt anyone else want to lynch rux.
Hes been doing nothing but fluff and totally ignores my legitimate argument.
I don't agree with your argument that ruxxar lied. I think he meant to say that others shouldn't think krogan is mafia because if his "forced" introduction. However I do agree with your comment on his fluff. I'll sheep along for now. #vote ruxxar ?????????????? he literally says Krogans post might look forced, but it's not indicative of mafia just yet. none of that is referring to other peoples read on him. Why does his fluff make you vote him over the multitudes of other people posting nothing but fluff? yes sir, the real deal neal yeah like this guy. 100% pure unadulterated fluff
shamelessly fluffy, i might add.
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On October 14 2017 04:10 happykrogan wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 03:36 ruXxar wrote:On October 14 2017 02:03 MrLonelyClock wrote:On October 13 2017 22:34 ruXxar wrote:
Going to form a Poe list later tonight. Still waiting... On October 13 2017 23:56 ruXxar wrote:On October 13 2017 23:38 happykrogan wrote:
So you're my coach now?
II think the questions you asked conversion about conversion about damerion and holyflare about lonelyclock just have pretty obvious answers and could be just there for the reason that the people see that you ask questions.
flood control appeared and I have to wait...
I would have posted this immedieatly otherwise
It's a newbie game, so I'm taking the liberty of giving you some friendly advice. By all means, do your own thing. -- See, the thing is that activity by itself is not a sole measure of towniness. And if you asked me, I wouldn't say that I'm even trying very hard to solve the game right now. Right now you're undermining the intelligence of the rest of the players in the game by assuming that they don't see that I'm posting fluff. I'm pretty sure they do know. And if they don't know, then I can confirm that is exactly what I'm doing. Your post was a good idea, don't get get me wrong, but in my experience it's a terrible scum indicator. This is all according to your logic: - activity doesn't make you town (therefore you fluff doesn't necessarily make you town) - not trying to solve the game (anti-town mentality, only useful for mafia) - agrees that has been posting fluff None of this is helpful to town in any way. I think rux is probably scum now. The only "useful" thing coming from him is that people are posting about him mostly, but there are better ways to get people involved. 1) Activity is not a sole indicator of towniness. But more often than not, active people are town, with some exceptions. Mafia has no need to drive the game from day 1 unless they are feeling pressured. With the town to mafia ratio being the way it is, town is most likey to lynch one of their own, while mafia can throw out weak sheeps or town reads of the lynch target to get post flip karma. 2) To me there's two ways to solve the game. There's the active way, were you make reads, pressure and push people. This is what people refer to when they say "Solving the game". Aka what oats is doing. Then there's the passive way, where you make yourself vulnerable and allow people to push you. This requires you to make yourself a target that people want to engage with, by performing actions that people find dubious. The end result of both methods is the same, you usually end up in a heated debate with some people where emotions shine through and you're able to get a better read on them. No matter if I'm pushing people or the one being pushed by people, I'm getting information that I can use to form reads and in the end I will be able to make a better informed decision when choosing my lynch target. Ok that's interesting. I don't know yet if I believe you but it sounds logical. I unvote for now and observe if your posts get better. I'm not a fan of your list post though. I actually hope you are town. You made me laugh with your defense. BTW does anyone else think it's mafia indicative that Holyflare's posts raised my confidence?Ok wait while writing I changed my opinion. My vote is in a good place. You did'nt get better. I let the post how it is you can follow my thought process.
I think it's just noob indicative. Having someone validate your suspicion is one of the most addicting drugs in mafia, especially as a newbie
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On October 14 2017 06:59 MrLonelyClock wrote:
Hey darthfoley care to share your reads so far on the ruxxar, oats, damdred, or anybody else? You are currently pretty useless. Care to share some of your expertise with a nooby like myself. K Thnx.
Yes, yes. Give me a moment to wow you with my superior knowledge
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Okay, so i really like happykrogan guy. Which makes me also like HF, because he drew the same conclusion that I did: I doubt a newbie like krogan would be this active and not be afraid to call someone out as first time mafia.
I think ruxxar is town, but I can understand why people-- especially new players-- might interpret his play as mafia. I also think Oats is more likely town than not. He was one of the first players to get the game moving, and I like his pressure on the LonelyClock dude. Still waiting for an answer on this, I think
On October 13 2017 15:34 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2017 14:49 MrLonelyClock wrote:
I agreed about ruxxar posting fluff. Me voting on ruxxar != me thinking he is mafia atm. But I can see how you could come to that conclusion now. I guess we will have to disagree on the counterpoints validity.
So why are you voting for him?
Don't like Damdred or FF right now.
FF:
On October 14 2017 00:15 Fecalfeast wrote:
Like I said early on, ruxxar is trying too hard
On October 14 2017 01:52 Fecalfeast wrote:
Tbh i think ruxxar not giving a shit seems towny
This progression is odd and without any sort of explanation. The first post also doesn't say anything. People can try hard from either alignment.
Also strikes me as odd that he's scum reading Damerion for unearned town read on FF...
On October 14 2017 03:31 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 02:45 MrLonelyClock wrote:
fecal if you think ruxxar is towny then who do you think currently is the most scummy then (can be 1 or more)? Damerion for giving me a town read for basocally no reason. Seems tmi to me
When Damdred has somehow managed to townread like 6 people and put them into "no lynch" pile just 24h into the game. Yet no mention of Damdred. It's like he doesn't exist.
Speaking of Damdred
On October 14 2017 03:21 Damdred wrote:
Ok, so I feel a little guilty at this point in time and I will try to be tge old Damdred this game.
Fact check away on my reads this train aint got no breaks and i aint got time to quote on phone.
Town Reads:
Damerion, he has this thing he does as town where he will have this skrt of mission statement about how he will approach the game. He has checked that, he gives clear concise reada with hard reasoning behind it, done. He also seems to try to draw people into conversation instead of existing.
Rux rux baby: Off the cuff read, the eay he responds to the pressure is town. Does t care, tries to be helpful and then establishes where he wants to be in the game. I think hes just going to be town for the tone and the lressure, but his reads were not bad.
If anyone tries to lynch rux at least today I will let slip the dogs of war and create chaos.
FF: Hey buddy we should work together, care free attitude. Gives some opinions still a bit weak on a few points, overall would not kynch today.
Gracky: Posts his thoughts, goes against thread sentiment a post or two ago. Seems to be looking where others dont, no lynch today.
Oats: Seemed to be reading the game a d his lressure wasnt horrid. It is defi ately not top town worthy but enough for a pass.
Xenon and nylonelylock are both town i feel for how they approached the game as newbs. Meh they were soitting fire earlier
Everyone else is in this null range besides hf who I love dearly but am ignoring until he wants cuddles.
Besides the fact that Damdred has only given vague town/null leans on virtually every active player, one read sticks out to me as more scummy than others. Damdred's read on FF feels fabricated. FF "gives some opinions" but FF is "weak on a few points" yet Damdred would still not lynch him today. He never specifies what points he's weak on, doesn't try to follow up with FF and clarify those "weak points." Talk about an unearned town read.
So I have no idea why FF isn't scum reading Damdred considering his self imposed criteria regarding Damerion.
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It's also definitely within HF's scum range to soft pocket krogan early D1. So don't get buddied. FeelsBadMan
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I'll give attention to Conversion and Damerion in a bit, but I remember liking Conversion's post on first read through
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On October 14 2017 07:21 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 06:42 MrLonelyClock wrote:On October 13 2017 07:22 Damdred wrote:
Eh, I dont think I agree to much.
Hes slightly different and less attack oriented but I still think his reads are ok but he is a bit to sure about them. On October 14 2017 03:21 Damdred wrote:
Ok, so I feel a little guilty at this point in time and I will try to be tge old Damdred this game.
Fact check away on my reads this train aint got no breaks and i aint got time to quote on phone.
Town Reads:
Damerion, he has this thing he does as town where he will have this skrt of mission statement about how he will approach the game. He has checked that, he gives clear concise reada with hard reasoning behind it, done. He also seems to try to draw people into conversation instead of existing.
Rux rux baby: Off the cuff read, the eay he responds to the pressure is town. Does t care, tries to be helpful and then establishes where he wants to be in the game. I think hes just going to be town for the tone and the lressure, but his reads were not bad.
If anyone tries to lynch rux at least today I will let slip the dogs of war and create chaos.
FF: Hey buddy we should work together, care free attitude. Gives some opinions still a bit weak on a few points, overall would not kynch today.
Gracky: Posts his thoughts, goes against thread sentiment a post or two ago. Seems to be looking where others dont, no lynch today.
Oats: Seemed to be reading the game a d his lressure wasnt horrid. It is defi ately not top town worthy but enough for a pass.
Xenon and nylonelylock are both town i feel for how they approached the game as newbs. Meh they were soitting fire earlier
Everyone else is in this null range besides hf who I love dearly but am ignoring until he wants cuddles. What is this jump in logic on how from one post you say he is too sure about his reads where this next one that is what makes him town to you. How does one go from being "too sure of reads" to having "clear concise reads with hard reasoning"? Seems like a weird jump in logic... excellent post, welcome to the top tier
Agreed
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On October 14 2017 07:26 Holyflare wrote:
my aim this game is to buddy everyone and sheep
wow that's a great idea HF. you're so smart. I think i'll follow your lead
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On October 14 2017 07:55 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 07:17 darthfoley wrote:Okay, so i really like happykrogan guy. Which makes me also like HF, because he drew the same conclusion that I did: I doubt a newbie like krogan would be this active and not be afraid to call someone out as first time mafia. I think ruxxar is town, but I can understand why people-- especially new players-- might interpret his play as mafia. I also think Oats is more likely town than not. He was one of the first players to get the game moving, and I like his pressure on the LonelyClock dude. Still waiting for an answer on this, I think On October 13 2017 15:34 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 13 2017 14:49 MrLonelyClock wrote:
I agreed about ruxxar posting fluff. Me voting on ruxxar != me thinking he is mafia atm. But I can see how you could come to that conclusion now. I guess we will have to disagree on the counterpoints validity.
So why are you voting for him? Don't like Damdred or FF right now. FF: On October 14 2017 00:15 Fecalfeast wrote:
Like I said early on, ruxxar is trying too hard On October 14 2017 01:52 Fecalfeast wrote:
Tbh i think ruxxar not giving a shit seems towny This progression is odd and without any sort of explanation. The first post also doesn't say anything. People can try hard from either alignment. Also strikes me as odd that he's scum reading Damerion for unearned town read on FF... On October 14 2017 03:31 Fecalfeast wrote:On October 14 2017 02:45 MrLonelyClock wrote:
fecal if you think ruxxar is towny then who do you think currently is the most scummy then (can be 1 or more)? Damerion for giving me a town read for basocally no reason. Seems tmi to me When Damdred has somehow managed to townread like 6 people and put them into "no lynch" pile just 24h into the game. Yet no mention of Damdred. It's like he doesn't exist. Speaking of Damdred On October 14 2017 03:21 Damdred wrote:
Ok, so I feel a little guilty at this point in time and I will try to be tge old Damdred this game.
Fact check away on my reads this train aint got no breaks and i aint got time to quote on phone.
Town Reads:
Damerion, he has this thing he does as town where he will have this skrt of mission statement about how he will approach the game. He has checked that, he gives clear concise reada with hard reasoning behind it, done. He also seems to try to draw people into conversation instead of existing.
Rux rux baby: Off the cuff read, the eay he responds to the pressure is town. Does t care, tries to be helpful and then establishes where he wants to be in the game. I think hes just going to be town for the tone and the lressure, but his reads were not bad.
If anyone tries to lynch rux at least today I will let slip the dogs of war and create chaos.
FF: Hey buddy we should work together, care free attitude. Gives some opinions still a bit weak on a few points, overall would not kynch today.
Gracky: Posts his thoughts, goes against thread sentiment a post or two ago. Seems to be looking where others dont, no lynch today.
Oats: Seemed to be reading the game a d his lressure wasnt horrid. It is defi ately not top town worthy but enough for a pass.
Xenon and nylonelylock are both town i feel for how they approached the game as newbs. Meh they were soitting fire earlier
Everyone else is in this null range besides hf who I love dearly but am ignoring until he wants cuddles. Besides the fact that Damdred has only given vague town/null leans on virtually every active player, one read sticks out to me as more scummy than others. Damdred's read on FF feels fabricated. FF "gives some opinions" but FF is "weak on a few points" yet Damdred would still not lynch him today. He never specifies what points he's weak on, doesn't try to follow up with FF and clarify those "weak points." Talk about an unearned town read. So I have no idea why FF isn't scum reading Damdred considering his self imposed criteria regarding Damerion. I don't see how they're the same at all. Damdred said he wouldn't lynch me where damerion literally called me a townread.
The only people i'm not willing to lynch are those who I think are town. You're splitting hairs.
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On October 14 2017 21:35 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 07:19 darthfoley wrote:
I'll give attention to Conversion and Damerion in a bit, but I remember liking Conversion's post on first read through Can I get these some time?
I thought you were relatively townie until I read your filter. You're basically just being a thread policeman and debate moderator. Which I don't like. It's actually pretty impressive at how many questions you've asked without actually saying anything yourself.
+ Show Spoiler +On October 13 2017 23:51 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2017 23:42 happykrogan wrote:On October 13 2017 23:40 Conversion wrote:On October 13 2017 23:38 happykrogan wrote:
So you're my coach now?
II think the questions you asked conversion about conversion about damerion and holyflare about lonelyclock just have pretty obvious answers and could be just there for the reason that the people see that you ask questions.
flood control appeared and I have to wait...
I would have posted this immedieatly otherwise
? No need to be so defensive. I'm just explaining my thoughts, on my opinion, in my brain, as to why you can be scummy see how that works? I don't care if you post immediately. wasn't there a way to request flood control be turned off for new players in mafia? The "you're my coach now" was a question to ruxxar. I actually liked your post and see it as a tip. ah okay. sorry if I sounded like a dick.. been trying to rein that in latelyShow nested quote +On October 14 2017 09:11 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 08:44 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 14 2017 08:10 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 08:08 Oatsmaster wrote:
He didnt say "mafia wont do that", he specifically said "rux will only do that as town" I mean.. I don’t think he specifically SAID those exact words, but semantics. do you have a point that you want to make about gracks read on rux? Because right now it looks like you are arguing about it for the sake of arguing Grack isn’t making any real read besides on you, which was based on a meta read he wasn’t trying to convince me or ruxxar.. so idk I just find it interesting you ignored that fact and slammed him on something he wasn’t intending to imply Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 21:36 Conversion wrote:On October 13 2017 06:38 Damerion wrote:
Hello good people of TLMafia, it is pleasurable that we meet again.
Firstly I am going to approach this game slightly different than I did last game, I will do much more town hunting and see if I can POE a scum team into oblivion instead of finding a few slips early and pounding the ever living hell out of the person into submission.
Secondly as the setup is much different than last game, we should do our best not to talk about roles or claim them unless in supreme danger, especially the newer players should be aware of this. And that is the last thing I will say about roles.
My first to early townread is on FecalFeast, general tone and playful approach to the game points to a more than likely chance of being town at this point in time. If you look at his previous games his posts were a bit more guarded and just generally lacked the playful approach he has shown at this point.
The second thing is HappyKrogan postings are interesting, (I know I am already sliding backwards) in comparison to other people who have posted the posts feel forced and have this sense of wanting to fit in. It also draws my eyebrow upwards how he keeps referring to himself as just normal VT. My first game as scum I had an almost identical entrance post because I just did not know how to interact with the people in the game. I think he is worth watching especially as his reads develop or fail to achieve.
I also did not dislike RuxXar opening salvo of posts even if it is not super indicative at this moment in time, he was playful and did not seem angry at others having fun. So I have a good feeling about him at present. are you going to townread and PoE more?
are you around? Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 21:37 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 12:48 MrLonelyClock wrote:On October 14 2017 12:32 xenonn40 wrote:On October 14 2017 11:06 MrLonelyClock wrote:
Hey xennon I see you voted for oatsmaster. Any reason? You haven't posted anything for a while and nothing worthwhile. Why the vote without explanation? Because I think Rex is town, and Oatsmaster is the only alternative at the moment, and the first to vote for Rex. Why do you think ruxxar (im assuming thats rex) is town? Likewise why is oatsmaster the only alternative compared to everyone else? Let me know what prompted you to come to these conclusions. +1 don't ninja vote without participating in the thread. doesn't help town at all Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 21:41 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 17:46 ruXxar wrote:
He calls krogans read on me the best read in the game, yet he makes no effort at all to push it any further.
After the strong salvo of encouragement for krogan, he just let it drop and appears to have lost all interest.
I'm parking my vote on HF as the most likely mafia for the moment.
In any case I hope it makes him wake up and show some interest in the game.
##vote Holyflare How I read the quote is that krogan made the best read of the game in terms of content, but it might not be good enough to sheep onto? idk also coolTLName is pulling a Rels D1? he hasn't posted yet
Bolded quotes just seem way too passive and without direction. No conclusions. Soft ball questions that don't really probe anything
There's also this
On October 13 2017 20:43 Conversion wrote:
can’t really read df or grack, but that’s not really suprising since I couldn’t before anyways. null
oats is a tad bit aggressive for my taste but I think that’s just how he plays from what I’m observing. can any vets confirm? ruxxar sort confirmed in my last question
damerion slayed last game so I’m gonna put him in the wary pile as I do with all great players
HF being HF... less fiery though (burnt out maybe?) sorry I still don’t and won’t fully 100% townread you (although I say that and always end up townreading :l) I do like that we had same thoughts about lonelyclock man
FF being fluffy and vague but last time I pushed for his lynch he flipped town.. don’t like his play really
Pretty sure i've played one game with you... ever. First sentence seems like an unnecessary qualifier to back up a null read really early in the game. Maybe you shouldn't have reminded me to look back over your filter
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On October 15 2017 00:48 Damerion wrote:Once again hello and like the proverbial Santa Clause I have brought a most interesting gift that I wish the thread to take a stance on and give their thoughts, and gut leanings. Firstly I read the Grackaroni and Oatsmaster exchanges and did not think much on it but as I was checking filters something very interesting popped out on me. The interesting thing is how Grackaroni treats Oatsmaster to start with and how he ends up treating him. Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 03:10 Grackaroni wrote:I'm going to give a read that I don't think too many people will agree with but I think Oatsmaster is mafia. In this game he seems less chill compared to Hurricane and I get the sense in a few posts that he's questioning things that look unusual rather than things that I think he would normally find scummy. On October 13 2017 11:42 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 13 2017 07:59 Fecalfeast wrote:
Damdred trying to pocket damerion, ruxxar ignoring oats calling him a liar. Relevant? We shall see. whats the point of this post? On October 13 2017 11:43 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 13 2017 09:10 Damdred wrote:
But seriously pocmeting people is super impkrtant in the long run for survival Can you explain why a townie wants to pocket people to survive? I left links so you can decide for yourself between the first two pages of each game, but it seems to me like he cares more about his image in this game than the other one. (he was town in hurricane.) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/527379-newbie-student-mafia-xxvii?user=Oatsmasterhttp://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/526614-hurricane-shelter-mafia?user=Oatsmaster We first have his original read on Oats, it was novel at the time. He has something original to show the thread and does so, it gains him some surface town credit from several members of the town. Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 03:58 Grackaroni wrote:On October 14 2017 03:55 ruXxar wrote:On October 14 2017 03:50 Grackaroni wrote:On October 14 2017 03:24 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 03:10 Grackaroni wrote:I'm going to give a read that I don't think too many people will agree with but I think Oatsmaster is mafia. In this game he seems less chill compared to Hurricane and I get the sense in a few posts that he's questioning things that look unusual rather than things that I think he would normally find scummy. On October 13 2017 11:42 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 13 2017 07:59 Fecalfeast wrote:
Damdred trying to pocket damerion, ruxxar ignoring oats calling him a liar. Relevant? We shall see. whats the point of this post? On October 13 2017 11:43 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 13 2017 09:10 Damdred wrote:
But seriously pocmeting people is super impkrtant in the long run for survival Can you explain why a townie wants to pocket people to survive? I left links so you can decide for yourself between the first two pages of each game, but it seems to me like he cares more about his image in this game than the other one. (he was town in hurricane.) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/527379-newbie-student-mafia-xxvii?user=Oatsmasterhttp://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/526614-hurricane-shelter-mafia?user=Oatsmaster to me he just looks like he pushes his own agenda and doesn't give a shit really http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/526062-names-are-hard-2?user=OatsmasterI'm not seeing what you're seeing, so can you explain how he looks different in the first two games compared to this one? I'm going to guess that Oats is town in that game you linked and check before I post. Yeah ok HF/Damdred/Onegu were scum but obviously town is always a more likely guess since more people roll town. I do think he looks pretty different in both of those games in the way that he accuses people. In those 2 he throws out accusations without much fanfare. Hurricane: On September 29 2017 11:51 Oatsmaster wrote:On September 29 2017 11:23 Damerion wrote:
Hello, I am glad to be here playing with you fine people. Damdred speaks highly of everyone here, and I hope the game is enjoyable.
I have two things that came to mind when I read what little of the game there is.
1) Grackaroni opening post, to put it bluntly is trash. At the same time he says nothing of value and tries to buddy fecalfeast (I assume) into making an alliance when it is impossible for him to know alignments.
Unless he is mafia, which associative read incoming means FecalFeast is more likely town for the way Grackaroni interacted with him.
2) I have come up with a pretty simple plan how to approach d1.
Step one: The marksman (vig), should claim as soon as town agrees with this plan (which they should).
Step two: We should use this power as a second lynch and have a vote in thread to direct the power.
Step three: Mafia is more than likely forced into a situation where they must let the Vigilante shoot and kill him, or roleblock him. The simplest solution is to put the watcher on the Vigilante N1.
Step Four: The medic should be off doing medic things more than likely on another target, if the mafia send the godfather and kill the Vigilante nothing is lost, if they roleblock him we instantly have a one and one trade.
Step Five: I assume medic cannot protect multiple nights in a row, therefore if the Vigilante survives the medic should protect him here and the Watcher should look elsewhere.
This plan gives us the most information that we can control and boxes the mafia into only a few moves they can make early in the game.
I think we should follow this plan. mafia On September 29 2017 15:20 Oatsmaster wrote:On September 29 2017 12:21 Damerion wrote:
I am unsure why you have me as mafia Oatsmaster, could you expound on why you think that?
Vivax why is directing blues in that way not pro-town? We would gain a good bit of information by controlling multiple lynches or kp, and have confirmed town for multiple days leading the town towards a strong circle.
mainly because having a second lynch really doesnt matter. On September 29 2017 16:37 Oatsmaster wrote:
filter links plz
i think its pretty scumy On September 30 2017 01:23 Oatsmaster wrote:On September 29 2017 22:48 Vivax wrote:
I really have no idea what is wrong with my statement. It didn't bother me much when Oats pointed it out since his read on me is always shit, but to both of you it should be obvious that it simply means claiming afk = claiming scum and if two mafias claimed scum already, then the game will be too easy and boring.
With HF there's a decent chance he actually just said it cause he did it as mafia just last game and he thinks it's funny to mess with the reads on him. But for Koshi I see no such excuse. lol Names are Hard 2: On August 26 2017 02:18 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 25 2017 05:47 Tumblewood wrote:On August 25 2017 05:44 Koshi wrote:
I am pretty unhappy TW, LS and Damdred left the thread. nope i'm still here i just haven't cared enough to say anything else mafia On August 25 2017 06:21 geript wrote:On August 25 2017 06:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
geript are you town? I'm the towniest of all. Also, I'm pretty sure that Koshi is mafia. His post towards you and asking about Damdred's townread is pretty out of place. As Town, you love to lynch stupid; it's like your kryptonite. But as mafia you have much less of a hardon for stupid from what I've seen and just push 85% bullshit. Koshi not getting this after the last two games is pretty odd; especially since Tina brought it up in generic and Koshi was bussing her at various points. mafia geript doesnt actually care about getting koshi lynched. He just wants to sidetrack town. On August 26 2017 02:24 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 25 2017 06:10 LightningStrike wrote:
I was giving rayn his time to talk to Skynx while watching Impractical Jokers. Skynx being a bit combative towards rayn hmm. Is this normal behavior from Skynx as either alignment for those who got good amount of experience playing with him? Useless question. On August 25 2017 08:37 LightningStrike wrote:On August 25 2017 08:06 geript wrote:On August 25 2017 07:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 25 2017 06:44 Tumblewood wrote:
because that is the same meta geript uses on me all the time I am not sure if i believe this so this is a reminder to myself to check something on this tomorrow. It's not exactly true... From Generic: On July 14 2017 03:12 geript wrote:
I remember TW when he was a newbie. I remember his not being boring/dull/. Like he had some good observations (wrong but good) then. His scum game IIRC was much lower activity and struggled to post almost anything. He's likely a good lynch too. The thing is that during the last abortion of a game, when I was reading TW (in MS Paint Judge mafia) I was comparing him to older games to get can idea of any other meta reads I could use to push him. It's something that I noticed from his town play and something that HF picked up and agreed with in the game. On August 25 2017 06:21 Koshi wrote:On August 25 2017 06:14 geript wrote:I kinda like TW for town. Mostly because of this post: On August 25 2017 05:47 Tumblewood wrote:
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nope i'm still here i just haven't cared enough to say anything else In part for flippant in part because Town!TW says what he thinks.
Everyone passing around the LS townread when they should know better is a bit weird.1/20 If you want to make 20 posts. It is better that you explain everything you claim. The bolded is completely unexplained and gives us nothing. LS is easy to read. I don't see why it is weird and I townread Damdred and Vivax for seeing it and calling it early. It generates discussion and easy townreads make mafia nervous. Mafia doesn't like easy townreads you see. Then they make comments like you just did. A few things here: 1. Only bad mafia hate early townreads. Like it's often quite easy to call someone town, move them into a situation where they look bad, rescind the townread and push them for lynch. I am not bad mafia. 2. LS in at least 1 game (though as far as I remembered multiple games) as scum has mimicked his "town puppy" persona to get townread and survived until endgame on it. Passing around a bad read is on the other hand makes it easy for scum to blend in. Hell, last game I basically literally just took what town was already thinking, repackaged it into nicer, newer, and better thinking and sold it as my own. On August 25 2017 06:55 Koshi wrote:
I dislike he scumreads me. Especially because he scumreads me because I don't meta townread rayn for a reason I would not meta read rayn town for. On August 25 2017 07:21 Koshi wrote:
For the record. I recognize the points made against Skynx. I do not know if it makes him mafia.
I think there is a chance still that he is town that made a very bad post.
geript on the other hand came in with a typical lazy mafia post. As town something in the thread would have triggered him, something about Koshi, rayn, HF or Vivax. Even Damdred maybe. But because he is mafia and lazy nothing really did, so he made an easy TW comment because he is "helping". When rayn confronted him he had to make something up and called rayn town and in the same breath called Koshi mafia because he isn't calling rayn town.
I do not believe town!geript makes that koshi read only after surrendering a town!rayn read. I think town!geript would have made that Koshi read while catching up and would have posted that instead of the TW town read.
I do believe mafia geript played lazy and showed face.
This is my read. Accept it. Who's getting mad about early townreads now Koshi? Koshi is scumreading me for scumreading him for not townreading rayn. Silliness aside. Hold with me, it's a bit circuitous but it's here. I've made it quite obvious on numerous occasions that I fucking hate playing scum when HF is town; as such, when I'm scum I basically become his thread bitch because I don't know how else to buy time in order to gain control of the thread until I get to NK HF. But the same is not true of Rayn. I know how to fuck with Rayn's head as mafia; I know what he looks at and looks for and can throw out a hook to get him super distracted. 1. As mafia, I gain nothing by giving Rayn an early townread and actually surrender thread control; which btw, I don't do as mafia (except for HF or maybe Marv but Marv because he's a fucking sexy beast). So his argument is not only bad, it's also incorrect. Vivax I haven't really played with in a while and I haven't had a correct read on him for a long time. Damdred I read town for how he reads people with "Damdred" reads and how he shows specific lines of thinking as town that he doesn't as scum. HF I read based on what he's pushing and why he's pushing; it's kinda a feels read but mostly based on him pushing "good things." Rayn I read based on what he's pushing and how he pushes; he likes to lynch bad as town and picks up on completely different things as mafia (example the Judge game where almost every time he came in the thread he pushed stupid shit that was bad). 2. When I make a read on Rayn for doing town!Rayn things, it's me being scum. When I don't comment on things about Vivax, HF, or Damdred because I'm either lacking any way to accurately read them (Vivax), I haven't seen them do things to read them town yet (Damdred), or I'm getting mixed vibes from (HF), then I'm scum. When I post about Koshi, I'm both scum for something not triggering me to post something about him AND scum for posting what I posted. Like, that's a pretty fucking weird argument for Koshi to be making at the same time; he's usually a bit more lazy as scum, and arguing both sides of the coin in the same post is pretty fucking weird for Town!Koshi to do. 3. Come at me bro 3/20 Yes I know I fooled people in the past in 2 of my scum games but Damdred usually gets me right except a few times when he either almost gets me mislynched or actually got me lynched on shannies. Damdred helped me a bit on my scum game I will tell you that as he was in a scum team with me where we almost won had it not been for sicklucker not giving a shit for a couple of cells (Cell Millionaire). Trust Damdred's read on me. Its interesting(scummy) how he says "trust" damdred's read when he doesnt know damdred's alignment. Or does he??? On August 25 2017 08:39 LightningStrike wrote:
Side note I think Damdred could be town this game as well as rayn and Koshi just need them to stop fighting each other. Also this is a pretty big "side" note that LS just brushes under. He isnt trying to find mafia, hes just going with the status quo and waiting for things to happen. On August 26 2017 02:25 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 25 2017 18:21 Vivax wrote:On August 25 2017 18:12 Holyflare wrote:On August 25 2017 17:58 Vivax wrote:
And geript ACTUALLY posted a townie seal, why is he even up for discussion. 100 % confirmed town. No, 90% for adding a lot of text I will read later. But it really wasn't necessary with the seal. Has he ever posted it before? No idea but the idea is so abstruse to think of as mafia that I have to take it at face value. Uneccesary town read without an alternative. possible mafia. In this game I get the sense that he's putting on more of a show of pressuring people and looking useful. I don't see it grack. His tone is no different this game than from those games you quoted. Is your main issue that he doesn't use the word "Mafia" when calling out people? Because I think that is a weak argument when the message is still delivered with the same intention, tone and intensity. Well you're either going to see it or you won't. I do think there is a noticeable difference in Oats' posting and it's not just that he didn't say mafia like he did in those other two games. I have choosen to show the larger quote of the conversation between RuxXar and Grackaroni. Grackaroni is sure about his read on Oatsmaster and tries to convince based off of past tonal differences and approach to the game. At this point I do not see anything really bad about the approach. Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 06:40 Grackaroni wrote:On October 14 2017 06:38 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 14 2017 04:28 Grackaroni wrote:Happykrogan is almost certainly town. RuXxar is also the only player silly enough to think that drawing suspicion to himself would be a good town plan. + Show Spoiler +On October 14 2017 03:36 ruXxar wrote:
Then there's the passive way, where you make yourself vulnerable and allow people to push you.
This requires you to make yourself a target that people want to engage with, by performing actions that people find dubious.
Have you seen any of ruxxs mafia games? I think I've skimmed some of them from when I played with him as town but I don't think I've ever seen him play mafia. Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 08:57 Grackaroni wrote:On October 14 2017 08:46 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 14 2017 08:36 Grackaroni wrote:On October 14 2017 08:05 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 08:01 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 14 2017 06:40 Grackaroni wrote:On October 14 2017 06:38 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 14 2017 04:28 Grackaroni wrote:Happykrogan is almost certainly town. RuXxar is also the only player silly enough to think that drawing suspicion to himself would be a good town plan. + Show Spoiler +On October 14 2017 03:36 ruXxar wrote:
Then there's the passive way, where you make yourself vulnerable and allow people to push you.
This requires you to make yourself a target that people want to engage with, by performing actions that people find dubious.
Have you seen any of ruxxs mafia games? I think I've skimmed some of them from when I played with him as town but I don't think I've ever seen him play mafia. so why do you use a meta read to townread someone when you have no idea how they would play as mafia??? TMI??!? Grack wasn’t metareading ruxxar as town there, he was jut statig ruxxar was the only one silly enough to vouch drawing suspicion as a good town play. Not really seeing where you saw him draw a metaread conclusion This. I wasn't calling him town in that post. I was saying that only he could possibly think that doing that would be a good idea. but "good town plan" implies that you think hes town. Like come on dude. Stop waffling. Otherwise it would be "xx scum plan". I don't know why I always have to have these arguments with you when they always revolve around you not being able to understand a post. Here's what he said: + Show Spoiler +"To me there's two ways to solve the game.
There's the active way, were you make reads, pressure and push people.
This is what people refer to when they say "Solving the game". Aka what oats is doing.
Then there's the passive way, where you make yourself vulnerable and allow people to push you.
This requires you to make yourself a target that people want to engage with, by performing actions that people find dubious."
I said that he would be the only one who could possibly think that this would be pro-town because it's a silly way to play and not pro-town. Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 09:27 Grackaroni wrote:On October 14 2017 09:15 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 14 2017 08:57 Grackaroni wrote:
I said that he would be the only one who could possibly think that this would be pro-town because it's a silly way to play and not pro-town.
but if hes mafia he doesnt think its protown and therefore you think hes town because you believe that he thinks he is doing something protown It could be that he's town and think it's smart town play or he could be mafia and still think that it's pro-town or maybe he just got a lot of attention as mafia and thinks that is a passable excuse. I think no matter what he thinks it's a reasonable sentence, but I wasn't really trying to place any particular inference onto the post. Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 15:41 Grackaroni wrote:
Oats do you like your Ruxxar vote? Now, his approach and tone towards Oatsmaster has completely changed. He is speaking to him and with him as if he is town and is trying to figure out common ground that they can work on. Grackaroni vote is still on Oatsmaster, he has tried to convince people that Oatsmaster is scum. But the approach he takes towards him does not make sense for someone with a scum read on said person. Oatsmaster nonresponse to Grackaroni posts is interesting as well. But its not quite uo to the level I just pointed out.
Do you plan on ever calling someone scum, or are you just gonna keep saying stuff is "interesting?"
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On October 15 2017 00:53 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 00:49 darthfoley wrote:On October 14 2017 21:35 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 07:19 darthfoley wrote:
I'll give attention to Conversion and Damerion in a bit, but I remember liking Conversion's post on first read through Can I get these some time? I thought you were relatively townie until I read your filter. You're basically just being a thread policeman and debate moderator. Which I don't like. It's actually pretty impressive at how many questions you've asked without actually saying anything yourself. + Show Spoiler +On October 13 2017 23:51 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2017 23:42 happykrogan wrote:On October 13 2017 23:40 Conversion wrote:On October 13 2017 23:38 happykrogan wrote:
So you're my coach now?
II think the questions you asked conversion about conversion about damerion and holyflare about lonelyclock just have pretty obvious answers and could be just there for the reason that the people see that you ask questions.
flood control appeared and I have to wait...
I would have posted this immedieatly otherwise
? No need to be so defensive. I'm just explaining my thoughts, on my opinion, in my brain, as to why you can be scummy see how that works? I don't care if you post immediately. wasn't there a way to request flood control be turned off for new players in mafia? The "you're my coach now" was a question to ruxxar. I actually liked your post and see it as a tip. ah okay. sorry if I sounded like a dick.. been trying to rein that in latelyShow nested quote +On October 14 2017 09:11 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 08:44 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 14 2017 08:10 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 08:08 Oatsmaster wrote:
He didnt say "mafia wont do that", he specifically said "rux will only do that as town" I mean.. I don’t think he specifically SAID those exact words, but semantics. do you have a point that you want to make about gracks read on rux? Because right now it looks like you are arguing about it for the sake of arguing Grack isn’t making any real read besides on you, which was based on a meta read he wasn’t trying to convince me or ruxxar.. so idk I just find it interesting you ignored that fact and slammed him on something he wasn’t intending to imply Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 21:36 Conversion wrote:On October 13 2017 06:38 Damerion wrote:
Hello good people of TLMafia, it is pleasurable that we meet again.
Firstly I am going to approach this game slightly different than I did last game, I will do much more town hunting and see if I can POE a scum team into oblivion instead of finding a few slips early and pounding the ever living hell out of the person into submission.
Secondly as the setup is much different than last game, we should do our best not to talk about roles or claim them unless in supreme danger, especially the newer players should be aware of this. And that is the last thing I will say about roles.
My first to early townread is on FecalFeast, general tone and playful approach to the game points to a more than likely chance of being town at this point in time. If you look at his previous games his posts were a bit more guarded and just generally lacked the playful approach he has shown at this point.
The second thing is HappyKrogan postings are interesting, (I know I am already sliding backwards) in comparison to other people who have posted the posts feel forced and have this sense of wanting to fit in. It also draws my eyebrow upwards how he keeps referring to himself as just normal VT. My first game as scum I had an almost identical entrance post because I just did not know how to interact with the people in the game. I think he is worth watching especially as his reads develop or fail to achieve.
I also did not dislike RuxXar opening salvo of posts even if it is not super indicative at this moment in time, he was playful and did not seem angry at others having fun. So I have a good feeling about him at present. are you going to townread and PoE more?
are you around? Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 21:37 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 12:48 MrLonelyClock wrote:On October 14 2017 12:32 xenonn40 wrote:On October 14 2017 11:06 MrLonelyClock wrote:
Hey xennon I see you voted for oatsmaster. Any reason? You haven't posted anything for a while and nothing worthwhile. Why the vote without explanation? Because I think Rex is town, and Oatsmaster is the only alternative at the moment, and the first to vote for Rex. Why do you think ruxxar (im assuming thats rex) is town? Likewise why is oatsmaster the only alternative compared to everyone else? Let me know what prompted you to come to these conclusions. +1 don't ninja vote without participating in the thread. doesn't help town at all Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 21:41 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 17:46 ruXxar wrote:
He calls krogans read on me the best read in the game, yet he makes no effort at all to push it any further.
After the strong salvo of encouragement for krogan, he just let it drop and appears to have lost all interest.
I'm parking my vote on HF as the most likely mafia for the moment.
In any case I hope it makes him wake up and show some interest in the game.
##vote Holyflare How I read the quote is that krogan made the best read of the game in terms of content, but it might not be good enough to sheep onto? idk also coolTLName is pulling a Rels D1? he hasn't posted yet Bolded quotes just seem way too passive and without direction. No conclusions. Soft ball questions that don't really probe anything There's also this On October 13 2017 20:43 Conversion wrote:
can’t really read df or grack, but that’s not really suprising since I couldn’t before anyways. null
oats is a tad bit aggressive for my taste but I think that’s just how he plays from what I’m observing. can any vets confirm? ruxxar sort confirmed in my last question
damerion slayed last game so I’m gonna put him in the wary pile as I do with all great players
HF being HF... less fiery though (burnt out maybe?) sorry I still don’t and won’t fully 100% townread you (although I say that and always end up townreading :l) I do like that we had same thoughts about lonelyclock man
FF being fluffy and vague but last time I pushed for his lynch he flipped town.. don’t like his play really
Pretty sure i've played one game with you... ever. First sentence seems like an unnecessary qualifier to back up a null read really early in the game. Maybe you shouldn't have reminded me to look back over your filter and this matters why? I've played one game with Grack too, does that mean I should confidently say that I can read every single person I've played one game with? I've played like 4 games on TL. If you want to read my filter because I reminded you and scumread me for it, then go ahead.. why would I discourage anyone to not read my filter? I'm keeping you at a hard null because you did nothing with your posts as you say I did myself, and I can barely read anyone correctly (re: 0% scum lynch rate unless I sheep someone/they admit to it)
My point is that no one will have a "good read" on someone else after only playing one game with them. You claiming that you don't have a good read on me or grack makes it sound like it's some historical trend, when it was just one game-- and a super themed game at that.
Your evasion of my legitimate questions and concerns are noted though. I've done much more with my posts than you have, but even if I hadn't, that's irrelevant to you not doing anything with your posts-- an idea you haven't denied
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On October 15 2017 00:55 Conversion wrote:
like, not to OMGUS you but literally this entire thread so far has been non-accusatory except grack on oats, ruxxar vs krogan, and then Xen being on the mafia pedestal due to his shitty posts.. and I think he's a bad lynch because he's a newbie, so feel free to contribute
I've pointed out discrepancies between Damdred and FecalFeasts post/scumreads too. That's like 3-4 decent sized accusations on D1. What more do you expect to happen? There has been a fair amount of accusatory posts for ~13 pages D1 filter.
Also noted that most people barely acknowledged my posts about FF and Damdred. Now we're back to talking about lynch bait noobs
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On October 15 2017 00:58 Damerion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 00:53 darthfoley wrote:On October 15 2017 00:48 Damerion wrote:Once again hello and like the proverbial Santa Clause I have brought a most interesting gift that I wish the thread to take a stance on and give their thoughts, and gut leanings. Firstly I read the Grackaroni and Oatsmaster exchanges and did not think much on it but as I was checking filters something very interesting popped out on me. The interesting thing is how Grackaroni treats Oatsmaster to start with and how he ends up treating him. On October 14 2017 03:10 Grackaroni wrote:I'm going to give a read that I don't think too many people will agree with but I think Oatsmaster is mafia. In this game he seems less chill compared to Hurricane and I get the sense in a few posts that he's questioning things that look unusual rather than things that I think he would normally find scummy. On October 13 2017 11:42 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 13 2017 07:59 Fecalfeast wrote:
Damdred trying to pocket damerion, ruxxar ignoring oats calling him a liar. Relevant? We shall see. whats the point of this post? On October 13 2017 11:43 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 13 2017 09:10 Damdred wrote:
But seriously pocmeting people is super impkrtant in the long run for survival Can you explain why a townie wants to pocket people to survive? I left links so you can decide for yourself between the first two pages of each game, but it seems to me like he cares more about his image in this game than the other one. (he was town in hurricane.) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/527379-newbie-student-mafia-xxvii?user=Oatsmasterhttp://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/526614-hurricane-shelter-mafia?user=Oatsmaster We first have his original read on Oats, it was novel at the time. He has something original to show the thread and does so, it gains him some surface town credit from several members of the town. On October 14 2017 03:58 Grackaroni wrote:On October 14 2017 03:55 ruXxar wrote:On October 14 2017 03:50 Grackaroni wrote:On October 14 2017 03:24 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 03:10 Grackaroni wrote:I'm going to give a read that I don't think too many people will agree with but I think Oatsmaster is mafia. In this game he seems less chill compared to Hurricane and I get the sense in a few posts that he's questioning things that look unusual rather than things that I think he would normally find scummy. On October 13 2017 11:42 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 13 2017 07:59 Fecalfeast wrote:
Damdred trying to pocket damerion, ruxxar ignoring oats calling him a liar. Relevant? We shall see. whats the point of this post? On October 13 2017 11:43 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 13 2017 09:10 Damdred wrote:
But seriously pocmeting people is super impkrtant in the long run for survival Can you explain why a townie wants to pocket people to survive? I left links so you can decide for yourself between the first two pages of each game, but it seems to me like he cares more about his image in this game than the other one. (he was town in hurricane.) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/527379-newbie-student-mafia-xxvii?user=Oatsmasterhttp://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/526614-hurricane-shelter-mafia?user=Oatsmaster to me he just looks like he pushes his own agenda and doesn't give a shit really http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/526062-names-are-hard-2?user=OatsmasterI'm not seeing what you're seeing, so can you explain how he looks different in the first two games compared to this one? I'm going to guess that Oats is town in that game you linked and check before I post. Yeah ok HF/Damdred/Onegu were scum but obviously town is always a more likely guess since more people roll town. I do think he looks pretty different in both of those games in the way that he accuses people. In those 2 he throws out accusations without much fanfare. Hurricane: On September 29 2017 11:51 Oatsmaster wrote:On September 29 2017 11:23 Damerion wrote:
Hello, I am glad to be here playing with you fine people. Damdred speaks highly of everyone here, and I hope the game is enjoyable.
I have two things that came to mind when I read what little of the game there is.
1) Grackaroni opening post, to put it bluntly is trash. At the same time he says nothing of value and tries to buddy fecalfeast (I assume) into making an alliance when it is impossible for him to know alignments.
Unless he is mafia, which associative read incoming means FecalFeast is more likely town for the way Grackaroni interacted with him.
2) I have come up with a pretty simple plan how to approach d1.
Step one: The marksman (vig), should claim as soon as town agrees with this plan (which they should).
Step two: We should use this power as a second lynch and have a vote in thread to direct the power.
Step three: Mafia is more than likely forced into a situation where they must let the Vigilante shoot and kill him, or roleblock him. The simplest solution is to put the watcher on the Vigilante N1.
Step Four: The medic should be off doing medic things more than likely on another target, if the mafia send the godfather and kill the Vigilante nothing is lost, if they roleblock him we instantly have a one and one trade.
Step Five: I assume medic cannot protect multiple nights in a row, therefore if the Vigilante survives the medic should protect him here and the Watcher should look elsewhere.
This plan gives us the most information that we can control and boxes the mafia into only a few moves they can make early in the game.
I think we should follow this plan. mafia On September 29 2017 15:20 Oatsmaster wrote:On September 29 2017 12:21 Damerion wrote:
I am unsure why you have me as mafia Oatsmaster, could you expound on why you think that?
Vivax why is directing blues in that way not pro-town? We would gain a good bit of information by controlling multiple lynches or kp, and have confirmed town for multiple days leading the town towards a strong circle.
mainly because having a second lynch really doesnt matter. On September 29 2017 16:37 Oatsmaster wrote:
filter links plz
i think its pretty scumy On September 30 2017 01:23 Oatsmaster wrote:On September 29 2017 22:48 Vivax wrote:
I really have no idea what is wrong with my statement. It didn't bother me much when Oats pointed it out since his read on me is always shit, but to both of you it should be obvious that it simply means claiming afk = claiming scum and if two mafias claimed scum already, then the game will be too easy and boring.
With HF there's a decent chance he actually just said it cause he did it as mafia just last game and he thinks it's funny to mess with the reads on him. But for Koshi I see no such excuse. lol Names are Hard 2: On August 26 2017 02:18 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 25 2017 05:47 Tumblewood wrote:On August 25 2017 05:44 Koshi wrote:
I am pretty unhappy TW, LS and Damdred left the thread. nope i'm still here i just haven't cared enough to say anything else mafia On August 25 2017 06:21 geript wrote:On August 25 2017 06:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
geript are you town? I'm the towniest of all. Also, I'm pretty sure that Koshi is mafia. His post towards you and asking about Damdred's townread is pretty out of place. As Town, you love to lynch stupid; it's like your kryptonite. But as mafia you have much less of a hardon for stupid from what I've seen and just push 85% bullshit. Koshi not getting this after the last two games is pretty odd; especially since Tina brought it up in generic and Koshi was bussing her at various points. mafia geript doesnt actually care about getting koshi lynched. He just wants to sidetrack town. On August 26 2017 02:24 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 25 2017 06:10 LightningStrike wrote:
I was giving rayn his time to talk to Skynx while watching Impractical Jokers. Skynx being a bit combative towards rayn hmm. Is this normal behavior from Skynx as either alignment for those who got good amount of experience playing with him? Useless question. On August 25 2017 08:37 LightningStrike wrote:On August 25 2017 08:06 geript wrote:On August 25 2017 07:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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I am not sure if i believe this so this is a reminder to myself to check something on this tomorrow. It's not exactly true... From Generic: On July 14 2017 03:12 geript wrote:
I remember TW when he was a newbie. I remember his not being boring/dull/. Like he had some good observations (wrong but good) then. His scum game IIRC was much lower activity and struggled to post almost anything. He's likely a good lynch too. The thing is that during the last abortion of a game, when I was reading TW (in MS Paint Judge mafia) I was comparing him to older games to get can idea of any other meta reads I could use to push him. It's something that I noticed from his town play and something that HF picked up and agreed with in the game. On August 25 2017 06:21 Koshi wrote:
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If you want to make 20 posts. It is better that you explain everything you claim.
The bolded is completely unexplained and gives us nothing. LS is easy to read. I don't see why it is weird and I townread Damdred and Vivax for seeing it and calling it early. It generates discussion and easy townreads make mafia nervous. Mafia doesn't like easy townreads you see. Then they make comments like you just did. A few things here: 1. Only bad mafia hate early townreads. Like it's often quite easy to call someone town, move them into a situation where they look bad, rescind the townread and push them for lynch. I am not bad mafia. 2. LS in at least 1 game (though as far as I remembered multiple games) as scum has mimicked his "town puppy" persona to get townread and survived until endgame on it. Passing around a bad read is on the other hand makes it easy for scum to blend in. Hell, last game I basically literally just took what town was already thinking, repackaged it into nicer, newer, and better thinking and sold it as my own. On August 25 2017 06:55 Koshi wrote:
I dislike he scumreads me. Especially because he scumreads me because I don't meta townread rayn for a reason I would not meta read rayn town for. On August 25 2017 07:21 Koshi wrote:
For the record. I recognize the points made against Skynx. I do not know if it makes him mafia.
I think there is a chance still that he is town that made a very bad post.
geript on the other hand came in with a typical lazy mafia post. As town something in the thread would have triggered him, something about Koshi, rayn, HF or Vivax. Even Damdred maybe. But because he is mafia and lazy nothing really did, so he made an easy TW comment because he is "helping". When rayn confronted him he had to make something up and called rayn town and in the same breath called Koshi mafia because he isn't calling rayn town.
I do not believe town!geript makes that koshi read only after surrendering a town!rayn read. I think town!geript would have made that Koshi read while catching up and would have posted that instead of the TW town read.
I do believe mafia geript played lazy and showed face.
This is my read. Accept it. Who's getting mad about early townreads now Koshi? Koshi is scumreading me for scumreading him for not townreading rayn. Silliness aside. Hold with me, it's a bit circuitous but it's here. I've made it quite obvious on numerous occasions that I fucking hate playing scum when HF is town; as such, when I'm scum I basically become his thread bitch because I don't know how else to buy time in order to gain control of the thread until I get to NK HF. But the same is not true of Rayn. I know how to fuck with Rayn's head as mafia; I know what he looks at and looks for and can throw out a hook to get him super distracted. 1. As mafia, I gain nothing by giving Rayn an early townread and actually surrender thread control; which btw, I don't do as mafia (except for HF or maybe Marv but Marv because he's a fucking sexy beast). So his argument is not only bad, it's also incorrect. Vivax I haven't really played with in a while and I haven't had a correct read on him for a long time. Damdred I read town for how he reads people with "Damdred" reads and how he shows specific lines of thinking as town that he doesn't as scum. HF I read based on what he's pushing and why he's pushing; it's kinda a feels read but mostly based on him pushing "good things." Rayn I read based on what he's pushing and how he pushes; he likes to lynch bad as town and picks up on completely different things as mafia (example the Judge game where almost every time he came in the thread he pushed stupid shit that was bad). 2. When I make a read on Rayn for doing town!Rayn things, it's me being scum. When I don't comment on things about Vivax, HF, or Damdred because I'm either lacking any way to accurately read them (Vivax), I haven't seen them do things to read them town yet (Damdred), or I'm getting mixed vibes from (HF), then I'm scum. When I post about Koshi, I'm both scum for something not triggering me to post something about him AND scum for posting what I posted. Like, that's a pretty fucking weird argument for Koshi to be making at the same time; he's usually a bit more lazy as scum, and arguing both sides of the coin in the same post is pretty fucking weird for Town!Koshi to do. 3. Come at me bro 3/20 Yes I know I fooled people in the past in 2 of my scum games but Damdred usually gets me right except a few times when he either almost gets me mislynched or actually got me lynched on shannies. Damdred helped me a bit on my scum game I will tell you that as he was in a scum team with me where we almost won had it not been for sicklucker not giving a shit for a couple of cells (Cell Millionaire). Trust Damdred's read on me. Its interesting(scummy) how he says "trust" damdred's read when he doesnt know damdred's alignment. Or does he??? On August 25 2017 08:39 LightningStrike wrote:
Side note I think Damdred could be town this game as well as rayn and Koshi just need them to stop fighting each other. Also this is a pretty big "side" note that LS just brushes under. He isnt trying to find mafia, hes just going with the status quo and waiting for things to happen. On August 26 2017 02:25 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 25 2017 18:21 Vivax wrote:On August 25 2017 18:12 Holyflare wrote:On August 25 2017 17:58 Vivax wrote:
And geript ACTUALLY posted a townie seal, why is he even up for discussion. 100 % confirmed town. No, 90% for adding a lot of text I will read later. But it really wasn't necessary with the seal. Has he ever posted it before? No idea but the idea is so abstruse to think of as mafia that I have to take it at face value. Uneccesary town read without an alternative. possible mafia. In this game I get the sense that he's putting on more of a show of pressuring people and looking useful. I don't see it grack. His tone is no different this game than from those games you quoted. Is your main issue that he doesn't use the word "Mafia" when calling out people? Because I think that is a weak argument when the message is still delivered with the same intention, tone and intensity. Well you're either going to see it or you won't. I do think there is a noticeable difference in Oats' posting and it's not just that he didn't say mafia like he did in those other two games. I have choosen to show the larger quote of the conversation between RuxXar and Grackaroni. Grackaroni is sure about his read on Oatsmaster and tries to convince based off of past tonal differences and approach to the game. At this point I do not see anything really bad about the approach. On October 14 2017 06:40 Grackaroni wrote:On October 14 2017 06:38 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 14 2017 04:28 Grackaroni wrote:Happykrogan is almost certainly town. RuXxar is also the only player silly enough to think that drawing suspicion to himself would be a good town plan. + Show Spoiler +On October 14 2017 03:36 ruXxar wrote:
Then there's the passive way, where you make yourself vulnerable and allow people to push you.
This requires you to make yourself a target that people want to engage with, by performing actions that people find dubious.
Have you seen any of ruxxs mafia games? I think I've skimmed some of them from when I played with him as town but I don't think I've ever seen him play mafia. On October 14 2017 08:57 Grackaroni wrote:On October 14 2017 08:46 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 14 2017 08:36 Grackaroni wrote:On October 14 2017 08:05 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 08:01 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 14 2017 06:40 Grackaroni wrote:On October 14 2017 06:38 Oatsmaster wrote:
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Have you seen any of ruxxs mafia games? I think I've skimmed some of them from when I played with him as town but I don't think I've ever seen him play mafia. so why do you use a meta read to townread someone when you have no idea how they would play as mafia??? TMI??!? Grack wasn’t metareading ruxxar as town there, he was jut statig ruxxar was the only one silly enough to vouch drawing suspicion as a good town play. Not really seeing where you saw him draw a metaread conclusion This. I wasn't calling him town in that post. I was saying that only he could possibly think that doing that would be a good idea. but "good town plan" implies that you think hes town. Like come on dude. Stop waffling. Otherwise it would be "xx scum plan". I don't know why I always have to have these arguments with you when they always revolve around you not being able to understand a post. Here's what he said: + Show Spoiler +"To me there's two ways to solve the game.
There's the active way, were you make reads, pressure and push people.
This is what people refer to when they say "Solving the game". Aka what oats is doing.
Then there's the passive way, where you make yourself vulnerable and allow people to push you.
This requires you to make yourself a target that people want to engage with, by performing actions that people find dubious."
I said that he would be the only one who could possibly think that this would be pro-town because it's a silly way to play and not pro-town. On October 14 2017 09:27 Grackaroni wrote:On October 14 2017 09:15 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 14 2017 08:57 Grackaroni wrote:
I said that he would be the only one who could possibly think that this would be pro-town because it's a silly way to play and not pro-town.
but if hes mafia he doesnt think its protown and therefore you think hes town because you believe that he thinks he is doing something protown It could be that he's town and think it's smart town play or he could be mafia and still think that it's pro-town or maybe he just got a lot of attention as mafia and thinks that is a passable excuse. I think no matter what he thinks it's a reasonable sentence, but I wasn't really trying to place any particular inference onto the post. On October 14 2017 15:41 Grackaroni wrote:
Oats do you like your Ruxxar vote? Now, his approach and tone towards Oatsmaster has completely changed. He is speaking to him and with him as if he is town and is trying to figure out common ground that they can work on. Grackaroni vote is still on Oatsmaster, he has tried to convince people that Oatsmaster is scum. But the approach he takes towards him does not make sense for someone with a scum read on said person. Oatsmaster nonresponse to Grackaroni posts is interesting as well. But its not quite uo to the level I just pointed out. Do you plan on ever calling someone scum, or are you just gonna keep saying stuff is "interesting?" While I appreciate your thoughts on that matter if you would turn your attention to what I actually wrote and give a word or two om that it would be appreciated.
I have my thoughts, but I would prefer to hear from Grack first
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On October 15 2017 01:00 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 00:58 darthfoley wrote:On October 15 2017 00:53 Conversion wrote:On October 15 2017 00:49 darthfoley wrote:On October 14 2017 21:35 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 07:19 darthfoley wrote:
I'll give attention to Conversion and Damerion in a bit, but I remember liking Conversion's post on first read through Can I get these some time? I thought you were relatively townie until I read your filter. You're basically just being a thread policeman and debate moderator. Which I don't like. It's actually pretty impressive at how many questions you've asked without actually saying anything yourself. + Show Spoiler +On October 13 2017 23:51 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2017 23:42 happykrogan wrote:On October 13 2017 23:40 Conversion wrote:On October 13 2017 23:38 happykrogan wrote:
So you're my coach now?
II think the questions you asked conversion about conversion about damerion and holyflare about lonelyclock just have pretty obvious answers and could be just there for the reason that the people see that you ask questions.
flood control appeared and I have to wait...
I would have posted this immedieatly otherwise
? No need to be so defensive. I'm just explaining my thoughts, on my opinion, in my brain, as to why you can be scummy see how that works? I don't care if you post immediately. wasn't there a way to request flood control be turned off for new players in mafia? The "you're my coach now" was a question to ruxxar. I actually liked your post and see it as a tip. ah okay. sorry if I sounded like a dick.. been trying to rein that in latelyShow nested quote +On October 14 2017 09:11 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 08:44 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 14 2017 08:10 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 08:08 Oatsmaster wrote:
He didnt say "mafia wont do that", he specifically said "rux will only do that as town" I mean.. I don’t think he specifically SAID those exact words, but semantics. do you have a point that you want to make about gracks read on rux? Because right now it looks like you are arguing about it for the sake of arguing Grack isn’t making any real read besides on you, which was based on a meta read he wasn’t trying to convince me or ruxxar.. so idk I just find it interesting you ignored that fact and slammed him on something he wasn’t intending to imply Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 21:36 Conversion wrote:On October 13 2017 06:38 Damerion wrote:
Hello good people of TLMafia, it is pleasurable that we meet again.
Firstly I am going to approach this game slightly different than I did last game, I will do much more town hunting and see if I can POE a scum team into oblivion instead of finding a few slips early and pounding the ever living hell out of the person into submission.
Secondly as the setup is much different than last game, we should do our best not to talk about roles or claim them unless in supreme danger, especially the newer players should be aware of this. And that is the last thing I will say about roles.
My first to early townread is on FecalFeast, general tone and playful approach to the game points to a more than likely chance of being town at this point in time. If you look at his previous games his posts were a bit more guarded and just generally lacked the playful approach he has shown at this point.
The second thing is HappyKrogan postings are interesting, (I know I am already sliding backwards) in comparison to other people who have posted the posts feel forced and have this sense of wanting to fit in. It also draws my eyebrow upwards how he keeps referring to himself as just normal VT. My first game as scum I had an almost identical entrance post because I just did not know how to interact with the people in the game. I think he is worth watching especially as his reads develop or fail to achieve.
I also did not dislike RuxXar opening salvo of posts even if it is not super indicative at this moment in time, he was playful and did not seem angry at others having fun. So I have a good feeling about him at present. are you going to townread and PoE more?
are you around? Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 21:37 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 12:48 MrLonelyClock wrote:On October 14 2017 12:32 xenonn40 wrote:On October 14 2017 11:06 MrLonelyClock wrote:
Hey xennon I see you voted for oatsmaster. Any reason? You haven't posted anything for a while and nothing worthwhile. Why the vote without explanation? Because I think Rex is town, and Oatsmaster is the only alternative at the moment, and the first to vote for Rex. Why do you think ruxxar (im assuming thats rex) is town? Likewise why is oatsmaster the only alternative compared to everyone else? Let me know what prompted you to come to these conclusions. +1 don't ninja vote without participating in the thread. doesn't help town at all Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 21:41 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 17:46 ruXxar wrote:
He calls krogans read on me the best read in the game, yet he makes no effort at all to push it any further.
After the strong salvo of encouragement for krogan, he just let it drop and appears to have lost all interest.
I'm parking my vote on HF as the most likely mafia for the moment.
In any case I hope it makes him wake up and show some interest in the game.
##vote Holyflare How I read the quote is that krogan made the best read of the game in terms of content, but it might not be good enough to sheep onto? idk also coolTLName is pulling a Rels D1? he hasn't posted yet Bolded quotes just seem way too passive and without direction. No conclusions. Soft ball questions that don't really probe anything There's also this On October 13 2017 20:43 Conversion wrote:
can’t really read df or grack, but that’s not really suprising since I couldn’t before anyways. null
oats is a tad bit aggressive for my taste but I think that’s just how he plays from what I’m observing. can any vets confirm? ruxxar sort confirmed in my last question
damerion slayed last game so I’m gonna put him in the wary pile as I do with all great players
HF being HF... less fiery though (burnt out maybe?) sorry I still don’t and won’t fully 100% townread you (although I say that and always end up townreading :l) I do like that we had same thoughts about lonelyclock man
FF being fluffy and vague but last time I pushed for his lynch he flipped town.. don’t like his play really
Pretty sure i've played one game with you... ever. First sentence seems like an unnecessary qualifier to back up a null read really early in the game. Maybe you shouldn't have reminded me to look back over your filter and this matters why? I've played one game with Grack too, does that mean I should confidently say that I can read every single person I've played one game with? I've played like 4 games on TL. If you want to read my filter because I reminded you and scumread me for it, then go ahead.. why would I discourage anyone to not read my filter? I'm keeping you at a hard null because you did nothing with your posts as you say I did myself, and I can barely read anyone correctly (re: 0% scum lynch rate unless I sheep someone/they admit to it) My point is that no one will have a "good read" on someone else after only playing one game with them. You claiming that you don't have a good read on me or grack makes it sound like it's some historical trend, when it was just one game-- and a super themed game at that. Your evasion of my legitimate questions and concerns are noted though. I've done much more with my posts than you have, but even if I hadn't, that's irrelevant to you not doing anything with your posts-- an idea you haven't denied I'm not evading your legitimate questions or concerns? You posted your thoughts, the thread can interpret it as they see fit. There's nothing else for you to note, you already think I'm scummy and you can move on with that and evaluate my behavior. Also on what measuring stick are you 'doing more' with your posts? 80% of your filter is fluff, except your one big post on an interaction/opinion piece on FF/Damdred... go reread your own filter and tell me what objectively you are doing more than I am
You aren't defending yourself from my accusation, you're throwing it back at me with "no you!" OMGUS. I don't care about how the thread "interprets it as they see fit," I care about your explanations for you effectively playing mafia moderator without ever injecting original thoughts. You keep +1'ing or piggybacking on other people.
Even this post is so passive and lacking direction. You aren't trying to determine my alignment. You're telling me to reread my filter.
@ thread: i'm fine with a Conversion/Damdred/FF lynch pool for now.
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On October 15 2017 01:07 MrLonelyClock wrote:
I like darthfoley's focus on Conversion. After reading his filter his only actual reads come super early in the game where those reads are really just more of a sense than anything. In the meantime his posts seem apologetic as if he is not trying to get on anybodies bad side as well as just not doing any scum hunting. He is just kind of existing.
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I don't care about the way you've played your previous games. I care about how you're playing currently. My opinion might change if you decided to ever go scum hunt. We keep asking you for any sort of read on people and you come up with Onegu and FF.
You ask a million questions for every question someone asks of you. It's not unreasonable to ask to see a list post, but you keep getting your panties in a bunch.
"I'm not scum hunting because you, krogan, and DF for some reason think that me playing the way I have been for the past 3 games => scum" don't even know what this means.
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On October 15 2017 02:08 Conversion wrote:Damerion is pretty lackluster this game. no idea why. Grack-oats interaction wasn't as interesting as he insinuated it to be. Damdred is doing nothing per usual even though he thinks he is lynch-invincible. I don't like him. I'm not lynching Onegu since he came like 1 hr before lynch and shennani'd scum in the first game I played coming back FF's posts are shit and he does nothing, but doesn't mean much since he was like that the game I lynched him. I'd lynch Xen over him, if it came to it. ruxxar seemed good, but now he's AFK. need you to get off HF and figure out scum with me instead of parking on HF. I'm never gonna townread HF, but he looks better than every single one of you except DF maybe FF/Xen for lynch today. Otherwise Damerion. Maybe spite lynch damdred for supposed lynch invincibility claim he made.. 
Thank you. Shouldn't feel like pulling teeth.
I also don't like Damerion's Grackspiracy post. Was perfectly explainable from Grack's POV and it seemed like a stretch
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On October 15 2017 02:29 Damdred wrote:
Well good doctor sir, I think in the mess Damerion posted he did have a good point about Oats, which was masked by his inability to get over a macro read.
So I am willing to listen towards Oats, but the way the sith is acting towards conv is a bit diaconcerting.
Don't choke on your aspirations.
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deadline in 2.5 hours no? let's get some clarity about wagons
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probably tvt considering it's 10 minutes before deadline and no one is budging
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so who wants to start some shenanigans?
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so i'm supposed to have the big balls? that's so much pressure on me
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LETS FUCKING GO
fuck everyone who doubted it
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Which makes me think Conversion vs. Damerion was SvS rather than TvT
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Also, my clock is apparently two minutes slow. I tried voting back onto conversion at the last second, per the voting thread, but I was late.
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On October 15 2017 06:09 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 06:08 darthfoley wrote:
LETS FUCKING GO
fuck everyone who doubted it He says as he unvoted at the last minute LOL.
All of that shenanigan stuff was just for show fwiw. You don't have to believe me, but it's true.
Also, i'm nominating myself for best D1 player in the history of TL. My last two normal games, I got mafia D1 (Xatalos and Conversion)
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On October 15 2017 06:10 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 06:09 darthfoley wrote:
Which makes me think Conversion vs. Damerion was SvS rather than TvT Then why doesnt Damerion vote conversion last minute. I think this makes Ruxxar look worse as he tried to get me to vote Damerion.
Because Conversion was gonna die regardless, and the thread was dead?
Anyways, i really doubt the newbies on my train bussed like that early on. So that's good
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and i led the train on mafia in the last two games*
expecting a long winded and respectful apology from the likes of HF
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On October 15 2017 06:14 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 06:12 darthfoley wrote:On October 15 2017 06:10 Onegu wrote:On October 15 2017 06:09 darthfoley wrote:
Which makes me think Conversion vs. Damerion was SvS rather than TvT Then why doesnt Damerion vote conversion last minute. I think this makes Ruxxar look worse as he tried to get me to vote Damerion. Because Conversion was gonna die regardless, and the thread was dead? Anyways, i really doubt the newbies on my train bussed like that early on. So that's good But dont you think he does it for credit. Maybe there isnt much to gain.
maybe you're right. I just don't see why scum didn't try to push anything off of Conversion.
1) Damerion is mafia, so it was lose-lose
2) Some of the mafia were on Conversion wagon and couldn't think of a plausible way off (newb/damdred)
3) mafia were afk?
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Also, Conversion wasn't at 8 votes or something. It was 5-4 with a few votes off wagon.
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On October 15 2017 06:22 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 06:08 darthfoley wrote:
LETS FUCKING GO
fuck everyone who doubted it why the heck is damerion wasting his vote on me.
That was a fake vote on ruxxar. I never actually put it in the vote thread
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On October 15 2017 06:22 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 06:18 xenonn40 wrote:On October 15 2017 05:55 Damerion wrote:
Here I am, I lost track of time and these day phases are very short.
I see conversion and myself are up for lynch. I do not know if I believe that conversion is scum at this point in time.
In fact with how apathetic the thread is I am decently certain it is going to be town v town. Damerion's vote at the end seems very suspicious to me. He votes for Oats over a vote for Conversion to make himself safe from the lynch. He is last minute scrambling to target someone else. Seems like a desperate attempt to save a fellow mafia. I am not sure if Godfather shows up as town when lynched, if so, perhaps Damerion is Godfather. Normally GF show up as GF when they flip. But like why not make sure Conversion is lynched there. More so since he is the goon. Like if Damnerion is GF or Framer doesnt he want to make sure the goon is lynched?
This could be a goon x2 + 1 role game with few town blue roles. If that's the case, goon v goon explains Damerion's actions
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On October 15 2017 06:28 Damdred wrote:
Man this is insane, the tgread being pushed now is that the counter wagon to mafia is mafia because the setup has to be 2x goon and pr.
Insane
Getting lectured by someone who sheeped me
Insane
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On October 15 2017 06:47 ruXxar wrote:
So me and damdred are confirmed town.
High five damdy baby <3
nah, i'm confirmed town
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On October 15 2017 07:31 xenonn40 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 07:13 darthfoley wrote:On October 15 2017 06:47 ruXxar wrote:
So me and damdred are confirmed town.
High five damdy baby <3 nah, i'm confirmed town Are you really? I don't know.
I am, and you should.
it annoys me how this game is dead during my night times
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On October 15 2017 09:54 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 09:40 Holyflare wrote:
So now it means that both wagons were mafia and the game opens up! You're putting the cart before the horse. How about you just ask the guy when he comes back? Pressure him, get some answers. Why would you need to vig him anyway? If he's so mafia like you claim, you can lynch him tomorrow, what are you afraid of? Also, please stop with the exclamation marks. You're making me sick with the fake enthusiasm. 
This might be the worst post of the entire game.
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i'm tempted to just believe HF and shoot you because of that
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On October 15 2017 10:25 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 10:08 darthfoley wrote:On October 15 2017 09:54 ruXxar wrote:On October 15 2017 09:40 Holyflare wrote:
So now it means that both wagons were mafia and the game opens up! You're putting the cart before the horse. How about you just ask the guy when he comes back? Pressure him, get some answers. Why would you need to vig him anyway? If he's so mafia like you claim, you can lynch him tomorrow, what are you afraid of? Also, please stop with the exclamation marks. You're making me sick with the fake enthusiasm. This might be the worst post of the entire game. Almost as bad as when you unvoted the mafia last minute.
I dare you to call me scum
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#MakeThisGameActiveAgain
#MTGAA
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On October 15 2017 03:00 Oatsmaster wrote:that whole thing between conversion and thelonelycock/darth foley was an entire waste of time and thread space........................also Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 01:42 happykrogan wrote:
I was the one on xennon and my read already got weaker as others argumented against it.
WHO ARGUED AGAINST LYNCHING XENNON???? Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 02:16 Damdred wrote:
Im going backslide a bit, if there is a scum between conversion and df its df.
Hot take why are you doing this and not explaining your 'hot' takes if you want to be taken seriously?? Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 02:26 ruXxar wrote:
Lynching damerion is the absolutely dumbest thing we can do right now. What value does damerion add to the game rux? You wanna propose a reasonable alternative instead of nothing? appparently you just dont give a shit other than your list posts in which everyone is town. Show nested quote +SAID BY RUX about HF
Doesn't need to take an active role since currently only town is up for lynch. also, his townlist is basically "everyone that posted is town except HF because I expect HF to do something different" but not actually providing and legitamite points. Rux, why are you intent on wasting your vote today? You post this super hot take that HF is mafia then totally ignore it since you posted that. You seem completely uninterested that nobody cares about your scumread. We have 3 hours left. Filter isnt everything guys. Lynch this dude. also damdred is super sketchy Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 02:29 Damdred wrote:
Well good doctor sir, I think in the mess Damerion posted he did have a good point about Oats, which was masked by his inability to get over a macro read.
So I am willing to listen towards Oats, but the way the sith is acting towards conv is a bit diaconcerting. Didnt quote the point that damerion made and just waffling about posting inane bullshit and not actually playing the damn game.
Nice way of skirting past a big thread hullabaloo without actually giving any input about it. Oats barely interacts with Conversion at all in his filter. Interesting
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Would actually be hilarious if it's Conversion/Damerion/Ruxxar or Oats. Would mean 10/11 town voted on mafia, with the only other town member being AFK.
No way in hell we're that good.
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Someone come talk to me, before I get offed by the dirty dirty mafia tonight
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On October 16 2017 02:45 Oatsmaster wrote:
Hey onegu, can you explain why the heck you wasted your vote on rux when your other scumread damerion actually had a chance of being lynched?
Can you explain why me catching a scum was "wasting time and shitting up the thread," please?
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interested to see the night actions and stuff like that 
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Before I die, there's a decent chance that HF is scum. Do not forget this post young noobs.
Before I die, there's a decent chance that HF is scum. Do not forget this post young noobs.
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GG Oats. Really thought it was HF. Couldn't believe Town!HF ever thought it was Ruxxar in that.
Game was pretty fun D1, happy with how I played. Onegu getting modkilled as scum is just unforgivable. Deserves a ban.
Really enjoyed playing with these noobs! Xenon, Clock and Krogan were all active enough to read and I really think they showed potential. I hope you all continue to play. It's nice
Playing with non-toxic, active, and decent players. All three at once are hard to come by.
This game made me realize how much I miss my TL mafia fix. Hope to play in some more games soon
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On October 27 2017 08:44 Holyflare wrote:
This game would have been a thousand times easier if people just did the really basic logical things. Onegu spent ten years attacking damerion and didn't save his partner. I'm still throughly confused on that. Damerion didn't vote to save himself and it looked bad to me when it's a mafia that flips. There's probably 100 more instances.
I also still don't even know why conversion got lynched or how he gathered votes despite asking several times why lol. It also baffles me how people call me scummy simply for asking people to state reasons why they wanted someone lynched, in a game of mafia!
I mean there were multiple people who cased Conversion, including myself. I don't know what you were/are looking for a perfect case considering it was D1 at the time. It's really not that hard to admit that you were wrong multiple times and didn't play a good game.
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