Hey guys, just got off work. Looking forward to this game
Currently nothing of importance apart from that I don't like Damerion. Everything he posts is just long and over winded as if he's trying too hard but providing lots of fluff in between.
On October 13 2017 06:38 Damerion wrote: Hello good people of TLMafia, it is pleasurable that we meet again.
Firstly I am going to approach this game slightly different than I did last game, I will do much more town hunting and see if I can POE a scum team into oblivion instead of finding a few slips early and pounding the ever living hell out of the person into submission.
Secondly as the setup is much different than last game, we should do our best not to talk about roles or claim them unless in supreme danger, especially the newer players should be aware of this. And that is the last thing I will say about roles.
My first to early townread is on FecalFeast, general tone and playful approach to the game points to a more than likely chance of being town at this point in time. If you look at his previous games his posts were a bit more guarded and just generally lacked the playful approach he has shown at this point.
The second thing is HappyKrogan postings are interesting, (I know I am already sliding backwards) in comparison to other people who have posted the posts feel forced and have this sense of wanting to fit in. It also draws my eyebrow upwards how he keeps referring to himself as just normal VT. My first game as scum I had an almost identical entrance post because I just did not know how to interact with the people in the game. I think he is worth watching especially as his reads develop or fail to achieve.
I also did not dislike RuxXar opening salvo of posts even if it is not super indicative at this moment in time, he was playful and did not seem angry at others having fun. So I have a good feeling about him at present.
First half is garbage. Let people play how they want. Its early in the game so the reads I would say are kinda forced but that can be expected. However having 3 reads this early just seems like you want to throw out the "HEY IM POSTING A LOT, LOOK AT THIS TOWNIE".
Also your posts kinda annoy me. It's as if I'm reading a novel and not actually having a conversation. Feels like talking (or typing) to a wall of sorts.
On October 13 2017 12:59 Oatsmaster wrote: Why doesnt anyone else want to lynch rux.
Hes been doing nothing but fluff and totally ignores my legitimate argument.
I don't agree with your argument that ruxxar lied. I think he meant to say that others shouldn't think krogan is mafia because if his "forced" introduction.
However I do agree with your comment on his fluff. I'll sheep along for now. #vote ruxxar
ruxxar, fecalfeast, conversion, darthfoley are all "fluffers". If I called any of those mafia please tell me, but I don't recall calling anybody that. Don't know where you are getting me calling fluffers mafia.
But I think your town so I wonder why you were(are?) so adamant on your argument against ruxxar. Do you not agree with anybodies counter point? There have been 3 of us that have stated it.
PS: I got "Flood control" warning from posting too much in short span so couldn't reply until it went away.
On October 13 2017 13:52 MrLonelyClock wrote: ruxxar, fecalfeast, conversion, darthfoley are all "fluffers". If I called any of those mafia please tell me, but I don't recall calling anybody that. Don't know where you are getting me calling fluffers mafia.
But I think your town so I wonder why you were(are?) so adamant on your argument against ruxxar. Do you not agree with anybodies counter point? There have been 3 of us that have stated it.
PS: I got "Flood control" warning from posting too much in short span so couldn't reply until it went away.
However I do agree with your comment on his fluff. I'll sheep along for now. #vote ruxxar
which implies that rux is mafia because of fluff. So which in turn, implies that people that post fluff are mafia. So its natural to assume that you think all the fluff posters are mafia. Why isnt that the case?
The counterpoints all dont make sense.
I agreed about ruxxar posting fluff. Me voting on ruxxar != me thinking he is mafia atm. But I can see how you could come to that conclusion now. I guess we will have to disagree on the counterpoints validity.
On October 13 2017 23:38 happykrogan wrote: So you're my coach now? II think the questions you asked conversion about conversion about damerion and holyflare about lonelyclock just have pretty obvious answers and could be just there for the reason that the people see that you ask questions.
flood control appeared and I have to wait... I would have posted this immedieatly otherwise
It's a newbie game, so I'm taking the liberty of giving you some friendly advice.
By all means, do your own thing.
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See, the thing is that activity by itself is not a sole measure of towniness. And if you asked me, I wouldn't say that I'm even trying very hard to solve the game right now.
Right now you're undermining the intelligence of the rest of the players in the game by assuming that they don't see that I'm posting fluff.
I'm pretty sure they do know. And if they don't know, then I can confirm that is exactly what I'm doing.
Your post was a good idea, don't get get me wrong, but in my experience it's a terrible scum indicator.
This is all according to your logic: - activity doesn't make you town (therefore you fluff doesn't necessarily make you town) - not trying to solve the game (anti-town mentality, only useful for mafia) - agrees that has been posting fluff
None of this is helpful to town in any way. I think rux is probably scum now. The only "useful" thing coming from him is that people are posting about him mostly, but there are better ways to get people involved.
On October 14 2017 01:52 Fecalfeast wrote: Tbh i think ruxxar not giving a shit seems towny
So if you just talk about random things for the whole game it makes you seem towny? Where do you draw the line? Day 2? If it makes you towny I found the new mafia meta, just talk about random shit and cruise through the whole game.
On October 13 2017 07:22 Damdred wrote: Eh, I dont think I agree to much.
Hes slightly different and less attack oriented but I still think his reads are ok but he is a bit to sure about them.
On October 14 2017 03:21 Damdred wrote: Ok, so I feel a little guilty at this point in time and I will try to be tge old Damdred this game.
Fact check away on my reads this train aint got no breaks and i aint got time to quote on phone.
Town Reads:
Damerion, he has this thing he does as town where he will have this skrt of mission statement about how he will approach the game. He has checked that, he gives clear concise reada with hard reasoning behind it, done. He also seems to try to draw people into conversation instead of existing.
Rux rux baby: Off the cuff read, the eay he responds to the pressure is town. Does t care, tries to be helpful and then establishes where he wants to be in the game. I think hes just going to be town for the tone and the lressure, but his reads were not bad.
If anyone tries to lynch rux at least today I will let slip the dogs of war and create chaos.
FF: Hey buddy we should work together, care free attitude. Gives some opinions still a bit weak on a few points, overall would not kynch today.
Gracky: Posts his thoughts, goes against thread sentiment a post or two ago. Seems to be looking where others dont, no lynch today.
Oats: Seemed to be reading the game a d his lressure wasnt horrid. It is defi ately not top town worthy but enough for a pass.
Xenon and nylonelylock are both town i feel for how they approached the game as newbs. Meh they were soitting fire earlier
Everyone else is in this null range besides hf who I love dearly but am ignoring until he wants cuddles.
What is this jump in logic on how from one post you say he is too sure about his reads where this next one that is what makes him town to you. How does one go from being "too sure of reads" to having "clear concise reads with hard reasoning"? Seems like a weird jump in logic...
Hey darthfoley care to share your reads so far on the ruxxar, oats, damdred, or anybody else? You are currently pretty useless. Care to share some of your expertise with a nooby like myself. K Thnx.
On October 14 2017 06:59 MrLonelyClock wrote: Hey darthfoley care to share your reads so far on the ruxxar, oats, damdred, or anybody else? You are currently pretty useless. Care to share some of your expertise with a nooby like myself. K Thnx.
what’s your reason on ruxxar being top scum read? is he still posting too much fluff ?
No he stopped posting only fluff after his list. But I still don't like him playing anti-town for the first half of the day. I don't agree that him "posting fluff" to get other people to talk about him is a valid strategy he had from the start of the game but rather an excuse for why he did it when he got called out by many people for doing it. I only see scum intentions coming from that perspective imo. However I like the direction of his last few posts which seem more pro-town than his entire game up to that point. TLDR: still scum read, a little improved but not much.
On October 14 2017 07:58 Damdred wrote: Eh I am not going to play under pressure this game, so I am going to ignore it because ill never get lynched <3.
I can switch what i say to mean what i want to say when i mean it, even if i say the opposite earlier! But really I just rethought my position on Damerion, btw hf probably just town.
So me and some others start asking questions and you decide its too much? I'm pretty sure you have faced much harder pressure...
So can you tell me what triggered you to rethink your position on Damerion? Still don't know why.
Hey xennon I see you voted for oatsmaster. Any reason? You haven't posted anything for a while and nothing worthwhile. Why the vote without explanation?
On October 14 2017 11:06 MrLonelyClock wrote: Hey xennon I see you voted for oatsmaster. Any reason? You haven't posted anything for a while and nothing worthwhile. Why the vote without explanation?
Because I think Rex is town, and Oatsmaster is the only alternative at the moment, and the first to vote for Rex.
Why do you think ruxxar (im assuming thats rex) is town? Likewise why is oatsmaster the only alternative compared to everyone else? Let me know what prompted you to come to these conclusions.
if you reads ruxxar's filter from page 4 and onwards I would say that he has finally been able to at least contribute more than fluff and that I wouldn't vote him if that was his only filter. However I can't get away from his earlier posts and as such will keep my vote for him for now, but he is slowly leaning back to a neutral read for me.
I am also skeptical about these pushes on xenonn. I'm not sure how to explain it but it just seems too obvious to lynch him. Then again I don't know why any town would want to make themselves a lynch target. Nevertheless I feel like its more of a nooby town than malicious scum. However the kinda jump onto him has piqued my interest.
HF if xenonn is your biggest scum read why not vote? We are not far away from deadline.
On October 14 2017 07:58 Damdred wrote: Eh I am not going to play under pressure this game, so I am going to ignore it because ill never get lynched <3.
I can switch what i say to mean what i want to say when i mean it, even if i say the opposite earlier! But really I just rethought my position on Damerion, btw hf probably just town.
So me and some others start asking questions and you decide its too much? I'm pretty sure you have faced much harder pressure...
So can you tell me what triggered you to rethink your position on Damerion? Still don't know why.
On October 14 2017 10:52 MrLonelyClock wrote: Also Damdred if you had to lynch one person right now, who would it be and why? You can't just say everyone is town but afk's...
That or they have decided that it might draw too much suspicion. But like I said I don't see a mafia making the posts he has been making to draw so much attention for no reason. Really my biggest problem is that if he continues to play this way there is no way to pin him as a mafia/town and he will always be iffy.
Damerion I don't see anything wrong in the oats and grack talk they had. At to point to I feel like grack is being too friendly. On the contrary to your argument, his vote is very much a "feel" type vote so I think he is trying to squeeze some more inofmration from oats.
I like darthfoley's focus on Conversion. After reading his filter his only actual reads come super early in the game where those reads are really just more of a sense than anything. In the meantime his posts seem apologetic as if he is not trying to get on anybodies bad side as well as just not doing any scum hunting. He is just kind of existing.
On October 14 2017 07:19 darthfoley wrote: I'll give attention to Conversion and Damerion in a bit, but I remember liking Conversion's post on first read through
Can I get these some time?
I thought you were relatively townie until I read your filter. You're basically just being a thread policeman and debate moderator. Which I don't like. It's actually pretty impressive at how many questions you've asked without actually saying anything yourself.
On October 13 2017 23:38 happykrogan wrote: So you're my coach now? II think the questions you asked conversion about conversion about damerion and holyflare about lonelyclock just have pretty obvious answers and could be just there for the reason that the people see that you ask questions.
flood control appeared and I have to wait... I would have posted this immedieatly otherwise
? No need to be so defensive. I'm just explaining my thoughts, on my opinion, in my brain, as to why you can be scummy
see how that works?
I don't care if you post immediately.
wasn't there a way to request flood control be turned off for new players in mafia?
The "you're my coach now" was a question to ruxxar. I actually liked your post and see it as a tip.
ah okay. sorry if I sounded like a dick.. been trying to rein that in lately
On October 13 2017 06:38 Damerion wrote: Hello good people of TLMafia, it is pleasurable that we meet again.
Firstly I am going to approach this game slightly different than I did last game, I will do much more town hunting and see if I can POE a scum team into oblivion instead of finding a few slips early and pounding the ever living hell out of the person into submission.
Secondly as the setup is much different than last game, we should do our best not to talk about roles or claim them unless in supreme danger, especially the newer players should be aware of this. And that is the last thing I will say about roles.
My first to early townread is on FecalFeast, general tone and playful approach to the game points to a more than likely chance of being town at this point in time. If you look at his previous games his posts were a bit more guarded and just generally lacked the playful approach he has shown at this point.
The second thing is HappyKrogan postings are interesting, (I know I am already sliding backwards) in comparison to other people who have posted the posts feel forced and have this sense of wanting to fit in. It also draws my eyebrow upwards how he keeps referring to himself as just normal VT. My first game as scum I had an almost identical entrance post because I just did not know how to interact with the people in the game. I think he is worth watching especially as his reads develop or fail to achieve.
I also did not dislike RuxXar opening salvo of posts even if it is not super indicative at this moment in time, he was playful and did not seem angry at others having fun. So I have a good feeling about him at present.
On October 14 2017 11:06 MrLonelyClock wrote: Hey xennon I see you voted for oatsmaster. Any reason? You haven't posted anything for a while and nothing worthwhile. Why the vote without explanation?
Because I think Rex is town, and Oatsmaster is the only alternative at the moment, and the first to vote for Rex.
Why do you think ruxxar (im assuming thats rex) is town? Likewise why is oatsmaster the only alternative compared to everyone else? Let me know what prompted you to come to these conclusions.
+1
don't ninja vote without participating in the thread. doesn't help town at all
On October 14 2017 17:46 ruXxar wrote: He calls krogans read on me the best read in the game, yet he makes no effort at all to push it any further. After the strong salvo of encouragement for krogan, he just let it drop and appears to have lost all interest.
I'm parking my vote on HF as the most likely mafia for the moment. In any case I hope it makes him wake up and show some interest in the game.
##vote Holyflare
How I read the quote is that krogan made the best read of the game in terms of content, but it might not be good enough to sheep onto? idk
also coolTLName is pulling a Rels D1? he hasn't posted yet
Bolded quotes just seem way too passive and without direction. No conclusions. Soft ball questions that don't really probe anything
There's also this
On October 13 2017 20:43 Conversion wrote: can’t really read df or grack, but that’s not really suprising since I couldn’t before anyways. null
oats is a tad bit aggressive for my taste but I think that’s just how he plays from what I’m observing. can any vets confirm? ruxxar sort confirmed in my last question
damerion slayed last game so I’m gonna put him in the wary pile as I do with all great players
HF being HF... less fiery though (burnt out maybe?) sorry I still don’t and won’t fully 100% townread you (although I say that and always end up townreading :l) I do like that we had same thoughts about lonelyclock man
FF being fluffy and vague but last time I pushed for his lynch he flipped town.. don’t like his play really
Pretty sure i've played one game with you... ever. First sentence seems like an unnecessary qualifier to back up a null read really early in the game. Maybe you shouldn't have reminded me to look back over your filter
and this matters why? I've played one game with Grack too, does that mean I should confidently say that I can read every single person I've played one game with?
I've played like 4 games on TL. If you want to read my filter because I reminded you and scumread me for it, then go ahead.. why would I discourage anyone to not read my filter?
I'm keeping you at a hard null because you did nothing with your posts as you say I did myself, and I can barely read anyone correctly (re: 0% scum lynch rate unless I sheep someone/they admit to it)
My point is that no one will have a "good read" on someone else after only playing one game with them. You claiming that you don't have a good read on me or grack makes it sound like it's some historical trend, when it was just one game-- and a super themed game at that.
Your evasion of my legitimate questions and concerns are noted though. I've done much more with my posts than you have, but even if I hadn't, that's irrelevant to you not doing anything with your posts-- an idea you haven't denied
I'm not evading your legitimate questions or concerns? You posted your thoughts, the thread can interpret it as they see fit. There's nothing else for you to note, you already think I'm scummy and you can move on with that and evaluate my behavior.
Also on what measuring stick are you 'doing more' with your posts? 80% of your filter is fluff, except your one big post on an interaction/opinion piece on FF/Damdred... go reread your own filter and tell me what objectively you are doing more than I am
You aren't defending yourself from my accusation, you're throwing it back at me with "no you!" OMGUS. I don't care about how the thread "interprets it as they see fit," I care about your explanations for you effectively playing mafia moderator without ever injecting original thoughts. You keep +1'ing or piggybacking on other people.
Even this post is so passive and lacking direction. You aren't trying to determine my alignment. You're telling me to reread my filter.
@ thread: i'm fine with a Conversion/Damdred/FF lynch pool for now.
I mean.. if you want a read you're town. You're throwing the same accusations as you did when we played in CCCP. The jist of it is that Conversion just exists, doesn't do much, etc.
The problem with you reading me is that.. this is how I play. and I flipped town in CCCP when you accused me of being mafia even until end game. I flipped town even when people accused me of being mafia because I was wishy washy/my entrance was terrible/I'm not pushing much. so enlighten me as to what's different about this game compared to that one? If I'm understanding your case correctly, it's that I'm passive, not really taking a side, not really pushing anything, I haven't even done that as town
Bolded to show what I mean by being apologetic. Also because you played that before as town once does not mean you are guaranteed town for doing that again this game. Further more if you just play passive then that is kinda useless for town apart from just an extra person to jump on a wagon for votes. You prefer we leave you alone for a few days while you just ask questions and apologize when you anger someone?
On October 14 2017 07:19 darthfoley wrote: I'll give attention to Conversion and Damerion in a bit, but I remember liking Conversion's post on first read through
Can I get these some time?
I thought you were relatively townie until I read your filter. You're basically just being a thread policeman and debate moderator. Which I don't like. It's actually pretty impressive at how many questions you've asked without actually saying anything yourself.
On October 13 2017 23:38 happykrogan wrote: So you're my coach now? II think the questions you asked conversion about conversion about damerion and holyflare about lonelyclock just have pretty obvious answers and could be just there for the reason that the people see that you ask questions.
flood control appeared and I have to wait... I would have posted this immedieatly otherwise
? No need to be so defensive. I'm just explaining my thoughts, on my opinion, in my brain, as to why you can be scummy
see how that works?
I don't care if you post immediately.
wasn't there a way to request flood control be turned off for new players in mafia?
The "you're my coach now" was a question to ruxxar. I actually liked your post and see it as a tip.
ah okay. sorry if I sounded like a dick.. been trying to rein that in lately
On October 13 2017 06:38 Damerion wrote: Hello good people of TLMafia, it is pleasurable that we meet again.
Firstly I am going to approach this game slightly different than I did last game, I will do much more town hunting and see if I can POE a scum team into oblivion instead of finding a few slips early and pounding the ever living hell out of the person into submission.
Secondly as the setup is much different than last game, we should do our best not to talk about roles or claim them unless in supreme danger, especially the newer players should be aware of this. And that is the last thing I will say about roles.
My first to early townread is on FecalFeast, general tone and playful approach to the game points to a more than likely chance of being town at this point in time. If you look at his previous games his posts were a bit more guarded and just generally lacked the playful approach he has shown at this point.
The second thing is HappyKrogan postings are interesting, (I know I am already sliding backwards) in comparison to other people who have posted the posts feel forced and have this sense of wanting to fit in. It also draws my eyebrow upwards how he keeps referring to himself as just normal VT. My first game as scum I had an almost identical entrance post because I just did not know how to interact with the people in the game. I think he is worth watching especially as his reads develop or fail to achieve.
I also did not dislike RuxXar opening salvo of posts even if it is not super indicative at this moment in time, he was playful and did not seem angry at others having fun. So I have a good feeling about him at present.
On October 14 2017 11:06 MrLonelyClock wrote: Hey xennon I see you voted for oatsmaster. Any reason? You haven't posted anything for a while and nothing worthwhile. Why the vote without explanation?
Because I think Rex is town, and Oatsmaster is the only alternative at the moment, and the first to vote for Rex.
Why do you think ruxxar (im assuming thats rex) is town? Likewise why is oatsmaster the only alternative compared to everyone else? Let me know what prompted you to come to these conclusions.
+1
don't ninja vote without participating in the thread. doesn't help town at all
On October 14 2017 17:46 ruXxar wrote: He calls krogans read on me the best read in the game, yet he makes no effort at all to push it any further. After the strong salvo of encouragement for krogan, he just let it drop and appears to have lost all interest.
I'm parking my vote on HF as the most likely mafia for the moment. In any case I hope it makes him wake up and show some interest in the game.
##vote Holyflare
How I read the quote is that krogan made the best read of the game in terms of content, but it might not be good enough to sheep onto? idk
also coolTLName is pulling a Rels D1? he hasn't posted yet
Bolded quotes just seem way too passive and without direction. No conclusions. Soft ball questions that don't really probe anything
There's also this
On October 13 2017 20:43 Conversion wrote: can’t really read df or grack, but that’s not really suprising since I couldn’t before anyways. null
oats is a tad bit aggressive for my taste but I think that’s just how he plays from what I’m observing. can any vets confirm? ruxxar sort confirmed in my last question
damerion slayed last game so I’m gonna put him in the wary pile as I do with all great players
HF being HF... less fiery though (burnt out maybe?) sorry I still don’t and won’t fully 100% townread you (although I say that and always end up townreading :l) I do like that we had same thoughts about lonelyclock man
FF being fluffy and vague but last time I pushed for his lynch he flipped town.. don’t like his play really
Pretty sure i've played one game with you... ever. First sentence seems like an unnecessary qualifier to back up a null read really early in the game. Maybe you shouldn't have reminded me to look back over your filter
and this matters why? I've played one game with Grack too, does that mean I should confidently say that I can read every single person I've played one game with?
I've played like 4 games on TL. If you want to read my filter because I reminded you and scumread me for it, then go ahead.. why would I discourage anyone to not read my filter?
I'm keeping you at a hard null because you did nothing with your posts as you say I did myself, and I can barely read anyone correctly (re: 0% scum lynch rate unless I sheep someone/they admit to it)
My point is that no one will have a "good read" on someone else after only playing one game with them. You claiming that you don't have a good read on me or grack makes it sound like it's some historical trend, when it was just one game-- and a super themed game at that.
Your evasion of my legitimate questions and concerns are noted though. I've done much more with my posts than you have, but even if I hadn't, that's irrelevant to you not doing anything with your posts-- an idea you haven't denied
I'm not evading your legitimate questions or concerns? You posted your thoughts, the thread can interpret it as they see fit. There's nothing else for you to note, you already think I'm scummy and you can move on with that and evaluate my behavior.
Also on what measuring stick are you 'doing more' with your posts? 80% of your filter is fluff, except your one big post on an interaction/opinion piece on FF/Damdred... go reread your own filter and tell me what objectively you are doing more than I am
You aren't defending yourself from my accusation, you're throwing it back at me with "no you!" OMGUS. I don't care about how the thread "interprets it as they see fit," I care about your explanations for you effectively playing mafia moderator without ever injecting original thoughts. You keep +1'ing or piggybacking on other people.
Even this post is so passive and lacking direction. You aren't trying to determine my alignment. You're telling me to reread my filter.
@ thread: i'm fine with a Conversion/Damdred/FF lynch pool for now.
I mean.. if you want a read you're town. You're throwing the same accusations as you did when we played in CCCP. The jist of it is that Conversion just exists, doesn't do much, etc.
The problem with you reading me is that.. this is how I play. and I flipped town in CCCP when you accused me of being mafia even until end game. I flipped town even when people accused me of being mafia because I was wishy washy/my entrance was terrible/I'm not pushing much. so enlighten me as to what's different about this game compared to that one? If I'm understanding your case correctly, it's that I'm passive, not really taking a side, not really pushing anything, I haven't even done that as town
Bolded to show what I mean by being apologetic. Also because you played that before as town once does not mean you are guaranteed town for doing that again this game. Further more if you just play passive then that is kinda useless for town apart from just an extra person to jump on a wagon for votes. You prefer we leave you alone for a few days while you just ask questions and apologize when you anger someone?
I mean, you literally jumped in a matter of 5 minutes from wanting to lynch Xen, to wanting to lynch me because someone made a post that seems good. So give me your thoughts on why that happened, and why I'm a better lynch than Xen. You're dark for those 5 minutes.
I don't have to bother. If you want me to play more aggressively, I will. I just was choosing not to this game because I wanted to step away from the flaming idiot I was last game, but whatever
I have been the one defending xen saying that his play seems to nooby and awkward to be scum. Why you trying to throw fake shade at me?
On October 15 2017 01:18 MrLonelyClock wrote: Conversion please give your current scum reads
gimme yours you're clearly around
stop sheeping other people and playing the newbie card
I don't think I'm only sheeping other people and I only played the newbie card once to make darthfoley (I think) to give me some of his insights as he was posting fluff before and he stopped posting fluff. My scum reads are very apparent if you read the thread.
Why are you trying to accuse me of so many false things? Lies after lies. Back them up with some quotes.
PS: Flood control again. Mods said I just gotta deal with it
On October 15 2017 00:49 darthfoley wrote: [quote]
I thought you were relatively townie until I read your filter. You're basically just being a thread policeman and debate moderator. Which I don't like. It's actually pretty impressive at how many questions you've asked without actually saying anything yourself.
On October 13 2017 23:38 happykrogan wrote: So you're my coach now? II think the questions you asked conversion about conversion about damerion and holyflare about lonelyclock just have pretty obvious answers and could be just there for the reason that the people see that you ask questions.
flood control appeared and I have to wait... I would have posted this immedieatly otherwise
? No need to be so defensive. I'm just explaining my thoughts, on my opinion, in my brain, as to why you can be scummy
see how that works?
I don't care if you post immediately.
wasn't there a way to request flood control be turned off for new players in mafia?
The "you're my coach now" was a question to ruxxar. I actually liked your post and see it as a tip.
ah okay. sorry if I sounded like a dick.. been trying to rein that in lately
On October 13 2017 06:38 Damerion wrote: Hello good people of TLMafia, it is pleasurable that we meet again.
Firstly I am going to approach this game slightly different than I did last game, I will do much more town hunting and see if I can POE a scum team into oblivion instead of finding a few slips early and pounding the ever living hell out of the person into submission.
Secondly as the setup is much different than last game, we should do our best not to talk about roles or claim them unless in supreme danger, especially the newer players should be aware of this. And that is the last thing I will say about roles.
My first to early townread is on FecalFeast, general tone and playful approach to the game points to a more than likely chance of being town at this point in time. If you look at his previous games his posts were a bit more guarded and just generally lacked the playful approach he has shown at this point.
The second thing is HappyKrogan postings are interesting, (I know I am already sliding backwards) in comparison to other people who have posted the posts feel forced and have this sense of wanting to fit in. It also draws my eyebrow upwards how he keeps referring to himself as just normal VT. My first game as scum I had an almost identical entrance post because I just did not know how to interact with the people in the game. I think he is worth watching especially as his reads develop or fail to achieve.
I also did not dislike RuxXar opening salvo of posts even if it is not super indicative at this moment in time, he was playful and did not seem angry at others having fun. So I have a good feeling about him at present.
On October 14 2017 11:06 MrLonelyClock wrote: Hey xennon I see you voted for oatsmaster. Any reason? You haven't posted anything for a while and nothing worthwhile. Why the vote without explanation?
Because I think Rex is town, and Oatsmaster is the only alternative at the moment, and the first to vote for Rex.
Why do you think ruxxar (im assuming thats rex) is town? Likewise why is oatsmaster the only alternative compared to everyone else? Let me know what prompted you to come to these conclusions.
+1
don't ninja vote without participating in the thread. doesn't help town at all
On October 14 2017 17:46 ruXxar wrote: He calls krogans read on me the best read in the game, yet he makes no effort at all to push it any further. After the strong salvo of encouragement for krogan, he just let it drop and appears to have lost all interest.
I'm parking my vote on HF as the most likely mafia for the moment. In any case I hope it makes him wake up and show some interest in the game.
##vote Holyflare
How I read the quote is that krogan made the best read of the game in terms of content, but it might not be good enough to sheep onto? idk
also coolTLName is pulling a Rels D1? he hasn't posted yet
Bolded quotes just seem way too passive and without direction. No conclusions. Soft ball questions that don't really probe anything
There's also this
[quote]
Pretty sure i've played one game with you... ever. First sentence seems like an unnecessary qualifier to back up a null read really early in the game. Maybe you shouldn't have reminded me to look back over your filter
and this matters why? I've played one game with Grack too, does that mean I should confidently say that I can read every single person I've played one game with?
I've played like 4 games on TL. If you want to read my filter because I reminded you and scumread me for it, then go ahead.. why would I discourage anyone to not read my filter?
I'm keeping you at a hard null because you did nothing with your posts as you say I did myself, and I can barely read anyone correctly (re: 0% scum lynch rate unless I sheep someone/they admit to it)
My point is that no one will have a "good read" on someone else after only playing one game with them. You claiming that you don't have a good read on me or grack makes it sound like it's some historical trend, when it was just one game-- and a super themed game at that.
Your evasion of my legitimate questions and concerns are noted though. I've done much more with my posts than you have, but even if I hadn't, that's irrelevant to you not doing anything with your posts-- an idea you haven't denied
I'm not evading your legitimate questions or concerns? You posted your thoughts, the thread can interpret it as they see fit. There's nothing else for you to note, you already think I'm scummy and you can move on with that and evaluate my behavior.
Also on what measuring stick are you 'doing more' with your posts? 80% of your filter is fluff, except your one big post on an interaction/opinion piece on FF/Damdred... go reread your own filter and tell me what objectively you are doing more than I am
You aren't defending yourself from my accusation, you're throwing it back at me with "no you!" OMGUS. I don't care about how the thread "interprets it as they see fit," I care about your explanations for you effectively playing mafia moderator without ever injecting original thoughts. You keep +1'ing or piggybacking on other people.
Even this post is so passive and lacking direction. You aren't trying to determine my alignment. You're telling me to reread my filter.
@ thread: i'm fine with a Conversion/Damdred/FF lynch pool for now.
I mean.. if you want a read you're town. You're throwing the same accusations as you did when we played in CCCP. The jist of it is that Conversion just exists, doesn't do much, etc.
The problem with you reading me is that.. this is how I play. and I flipped town in CCCP when you accused me of being mafia even until end game. I flipped town even when people accused me of being mafia because I was wishy washy/my entrance was terrible/I'm not pushing much. so enlighten me as to what's different about this game compared to that one? If I'm understanding your case correctly, it's that I'm passive, not really taking a side, not really pushing anything, I haven't even done that as town
Bolded to show what I mean by being apologetic. Also because you played that before as town once does not mean you are guaranteed town for doing that again this game. Further more if you just play passive then that is kinda useless for town apart from just an extra person to jump on a wagon for votes. You prefer we leave you alone for a few days while you just ask questions and apologize when you anger someone?
I mean, you literally jumped in a matter of 5 minutes from wanting to lynch Xen, to wanting to lynch me because someone made a post that seems good. So give me your thoughts on why that happened, and why I'm a better lynch than Xen. You're dark for those 5 minutes.
I don't have to bother. If you want me to play more aggressively, I will. I just was choosing not to this game because I wanted to step away from the flaming idiot I was last game, but whatever
I have been the one defending xen saying that his play seems to nooby and awkward to be scum. Why you trying to throw fake shade at me?
On October 15 2017 01:25 Conversion wrote:
On October 15 2017 01:18 MrLonelyClock wrote: Conversion please give your current scum reads
if you put a gun to my head and said, "name who you want to lynch in this exact moment that's not a newbie" it'd be between onegu or FF
Why are you not adding newbies? I never added that clause in my question?
On October 15 2017 01:30 Conversion wrote:
On October 15 2017 01:18 MrLonelyClock wrote: Conversion please give your current scum reads
gimme yours you're clearly around
stop sheeping other people and playing the newbie card
I don't think I'm only sheeping other people and I only played the newbie card once to make darthfoley (I think) to give me some of his insights as he was posting fluff before and he stopped posting fluff. My scum reads are very apparent if you read the thread.
Why are you trying to accuse me of so many false things? Lies after lies. Back them up with some quotes.
PS: Flood control again. Mods said I just gotta deal with it
Because I don't want to lynch newbies? No one said you added that clause. Stop making bad arguments, you're testing my patience
On October 15 2017 00:28 MrLonelyClock wrote: That or they have decided that it might draw too much suspicion. But like I said I don't see a mafia making the posts he has been making to draw so much attention for no reason. Really my biggest problem is that if he continues to play this way there is no way to pin him as a mafia/town and he will always be iffy.
That's the most passive "I want to lynch Xen but not really," so who's being passive now? Don't give me shit saying you were defending him lmao. You even had your vote on him... garbage. big minus town points to you
Are you misreading my name for someone else? Please link to my vote on him in vote thread. Or don't since it doesn't exist...Thats what I thought
You seem less towny every minute conversion. Instead of re-tracking onto scum hunting you seem like you just want me to create another argument so that you can attempt to deflate it. I have a point I will be making between your interactions with ruxxar later (gotta grab some groceries first) but I think if you were confident that the points against you were invalid that the rest of town would realize. To me it seems like you are grasping onto straws.
I'm still not liking conversion. He has flip flopped on so many of his points and seemed to be grasping at straws and trying to push things that weren't there when the initial votes went on him.
I feel like this is a pretty strong wagon on damerion that I don't agree with. Early on in the game I didn't like his posts but his posts haven't changed much imo. It just seems like some people realized its a possible wagon and just jumped on it. Particulary HF since he had keeps wavering on his reads
On October 15 2017 04:12 MrLonelyClock wrote: I'm still not liking conversion. He has flip flopped on so many of his points and seemed to be grasping at straws and trying to push things that weren't there when the initial votes went on him.
answer my question, thanks
I re-evaluated my stance on him and don't want to lynch him day 1. I don't feel like sharing why at the moment. Wait till Day 2 and ask again.
On October 15 2017 00:42 Holyflare wrote: I actually think damerion is really really mafia. All you have to do is look at how explanatory his posts are in this game and compare them to hurricane shelter. In hurricane the only thing he talks about are scum reads and they have concrete reasons to be scum leans etc. This game he appears to be constantly on the back foot, all his reads are flimsy town reads.
Looking at his big initial post a lot of them aren't actually town reads either. There's a bunch of flimsy stuff like ruxxar(?) posting good but not alignment indicative stuff??? Which makes the whole paragraph a waste of time and contradictory since good stuff is normally a townie trait and if it's not then why post about it.
He also seems robotic to me.
Damerion
On October 15 2017 02:10 Holyflare wrote: After re-evaluating Xenonn (actually reading his filter) I've come to the conclusion that Damdred, the god of tone reads, is actually mafia jumping on an incredibly easy bandwagon.
On October 15 2017 00:42 Holyflare wrote: I actually think damerion is really really mafia. All you have to do is look at how explanatory his posts are in this game and compare them to hurricane shelter. In hurricane the only thing he talks about are scum reads and they have concrete reasons to be scum leans etc. This game he appears to be constantly on the back foot, all his reads are flimsy town reads.
Looking at his big initial post a lot of them aren't actually town reads either. There's a bunch of flimsy stuff like ruxxar(?) posting good but not alignment indicative stuff??? Which makes the whole paragraph a waste of time and contradictory since good stuff is normally a townie trait and if it's not then why post about it.
He also seems robotic to me.
^^^^^^
This is all before he has completely switched up his playstyle to now be a mafia read that's not a mafia read, it's just "Interesting" and totally wasn't interesting in the slightest.
Then he just dropped off the face of the planet without talking to anyone.
On October 15 2017 04:14 MrLonelyClock wrote: I feel like this is a pretty strong wagon on damerion that I don't agree with. Early on in the game I didn't like his posts but his posts haven't changed much imo. It just seems like some people realized its a possible wagon and just jumped on it.
So if you didnt like his posts and he continued to post things that you disliked, why dont you think he is mafia?
I took peoples word for his weird playstyle and how he was good in the previous game and am leaving him Day 1. Nothing jumps out as scum but I just don't like his posting language he uses.
On October 15 2017 00:42 Holyflare wrote: I actually think damerion is really really mafia. All you have to do is look at how explanatory his posts are in this game and compare them to hurricane shelter. In hurricane the only thing he talks about are scum reads and they have concrete reasons to be scum leans etc. This game he appears to be constantly on the back foot, all his reads are flimsy town reads.
Looking at his big initial post a lot of them aren't actually town reads either. There's a bunch of flimsy stuff like ruxxar(?) posting good but not alignment indicative stuff??? Which makes the whole paragraph a waste of time and contradictory since good stuff is normally a townie trait and if it's not then why post about it.
He also seems robotic to me.
Damerion
On October 15 2017 02:10 Holyflare wrote: After re-evaluating Xenonn (actually reading his filter) I've come to the conclusion that Damdred, the god of tone reads, is actually mafia jumping on an incredibly easy bandwagon.
Damdred
On October 15 2017 02:12 Holyflare wrote:
On October 15 2017 00:42 Holyflare wrote: I actually think damerion is really really mafia. All you have to do is look at how explanatory his posts are in this game and compare them to hurricane shelter. In hurricane the only thing he talks about are scum reads and they have concrete reasons to be scum leans etc. This game he appears to be constantly on the back foot, all his reads are flimsy town reads.
Looking at his big initial post a lot of them aren't actually town reads either. There's a bunch of flimsy stuff like ruxxar(?) posting good but not alignment indicative stuff??? Which makes the whole paragraph a waste of time and contradictory since good stuff is normally a townie trait and if it's not then why post about it.
He also seems robotic to me.
^^^^^^
This is all before he has completely switched up his playstyle to now be a mafia read that's not a mafia read, it's just "Interesting" and totally wasn't interesting in the slightest.
Then he just dropped off the face of the planet without talking to anyone.
Back to Damerion
And I still think they both can be mafia reads. That's not wavering, there's more than one mafia in this game.
OK fair enough. My first reading through it seemed like you waivered but going further in your filter shows that you have been on Damerion for a while and this was just a "Damdred" is also probably mafia. I retract my point regard you.
On October 15 2017 04:14 MrLonelyClock wrote: I feel like this is a pretty strong wagon on damerion that I don't agree with. Early on in the game I didn't like his posts but his posts haven't changed much imo. It just seems like some people realized its a possible wagon and just jumped on it.
So if you didnt like his posts and he continued to post things that you disliked, why dont you think he is mafia?
I took peoples word for his weird playstyle and how he was good in the previous game and am leaving him Day 1. Nothing jumps out as scum but I just don't like his posting language he uses.
so you meant dont like as in dont prefer rather than the more commonly used dont like as in hes mafia.
sure dude.
Yes I don't like his posts in the sense of it feels like he is writing a novel each time and it feels as if talking to a wall. I mentioned that early on in my reads on Damerion...
On October 15 2017 03:57 Holyflare wrote: Ruxxar still thinks I'm mafia eh?
The people voting conversion are town as hell. if it comes to deadline, those are who I want to be voting with.
What do you expect to happen between now and deadline that you dont want to commit???
I'm hoping damerion will show up and say something.
you can do something else?? You dont even want to vote damerion anyway, why does it matter if he shows up? I really dont understand what your line of play is here
Damerion looks slightly worse than conversion. Conversion is at least fighting to stay alive, and I have a soft spot for people fighting when their life is on the line.
My heart is telling me to vote damerion, my head is telling me to vote conversion. I haven't made up my mind yet.
Listen to your head. Your heart lies.
Also take your vote off HF, its a waste at this point.
All mighty Holyflare, I am sorry I am not sheeping your amazing top tier read on Damerion but I do not agree with it because I think he is not as scummy as conversion. Again, I am sorry that I do not support your read but acknowledge you are really, really good at this game and will listen the next time you make a read and have a full debate with you over the points that you raise. Good day, sir.
On October 15 2017 08:39 Holyflare wrote: If Damerion is scum and couldn't vote Conversion then his other alternative would be the third highest wagon which is Ruxxar. Ruxxar was on 2 votes and Damerion didn't vote him but then when he returned (to afk again lolololol) who did he end up with his vote on? Oatsmaster. Now, I guess it's not so suspicious UNTIL you read Damerion's posts:
On October 13 2017 06:38 Damerion wrote: I also did not dislike RuxXar opening salvo of posts even if it is not super indicative at this moment in time, he was playful and did not seem angry at others having fun. So I have a good feeling about him at present.
^ This is an excerpt from his opening post that I really disliked. Notice how it says absolutely NOTHING. He mentioned a bunch of town reads which I wouldn't necessarily have a problem with if this wasn't thrown in at the end. It's a little mention of Ruxxar that says he didn't dislike Ruxxar's post but it hasn't got any relevance to an alignment. It's tacked on and sticks out like a sore thumb, it's irrelevant.
Then, you go through his other substantial posts in the game (there aren't many, let's be real) and who does he town read?
As for my read on Oatsmaster is that he is towny, his catch/pressure on RuxXar seems like it comes from town. It reads as if he is paying attention looking for little details that would make someone scum, and acts on it.
His major read in this post is that OATSMASTER IS TOWN.
Now, his approach and tone towards Oatsmaster has completely changed. He is speaking to him and with him as if he is town and is trying to figure out common ground that they can work on.
Grackaroni vote is still on Oatsmaster, he has tried to convince people that Oatsmaster is scum. But the approach he takes towards him does not make sense for someone with a scum read on said person.
Oatsmaster nonresponse to Grackaroni posts is interesting as well. But its not quite uo to the level I just pointed out.
He was the third highest lynch that wasn't his partner!
I agree with HF that this makes so sense for Damerion. Why would he not make sure that he stays alive and vote on the other wagon?
On October 15 2017 05:55 Damerion wrote: Here I am, I lost track of time and these day phases are very short.
I see conversion and myself are up for lynch. I do not know if I believe that conversion is scum at this point in time.
In fact with how apathetic the thread is I am decently certain it is going to be town v town.
He knew it was either him or conversion and basically decides to throw away his vote. If he was town then its an easy decision, get lynched (0% hitting scum) or risk it and hope the other wagon is scum (>0% of hitting scum). I cannot understand this logic and would like him to explain the reasoning for his vote
Man you have has a hard on for Damerion from the get go lol. You still never mentioned your update on conversion being buddied (or I missed it). Can you say why you thought that?
On October 16 2017 05:24 MrLonelyClock wrote: Man you have has a hard on for Damerion from the get go lol. You still never mentioned your update on conversion being buddied (or I missed it). Can you say why you thought that?
Holyflare...I have a waiting request for you when you wake up.
Was Damerion ever on the chopping block in any of his previous games? If not I could see his voting "method" (as stupid as I think it was) as him panicking as either alignment.
On October 16 2017 07:53 Holyflare wrote: I may have made a huge mistake where I didn't realise Conversion was voting Damerion.
Mistake how?
Basically it was 3 votes Conv, 3 votes Damerion, 2 oats, and some 1's at that point.
Actually, IF conv and damerion are scum together then it would have been established that the scum decided Damerion is a better kill than conv. This would possible explain conv voting for damerion and damerion not voting conv. As such I would assume the other scum would also vote for Damerion to "secure" towniness or if they gave him a town read then at least vote on somebody other than conv.
I think this is the only world that both damerion and conv can be scum together and I don't believe thats the case. Seems too far-fetched imo.
On October 16 2017 07:53 Holyflare wrote: I may have made a huge mistake where I didn't realise Conversion was voting Damerion.
Mistake how?
Basically it was 3 votes Conv, 3 votes Damerion, 2 oats, and some 1's at that point.
Actually, IF conv and damerion are scum together then it would have been established that the scum decided Damerion is a better kill than conv. This would possible explain conv voting for damerion and damerion not voting conv. As such I would assume the other scum would also vote for Damerion to "secure" towniness or if they gave him a town read then at least vote on somebody other than conv.
I think this is the only world that both damerion and conv can be scum together and I don't believe thats the case. Seems too far-fetched imo.
It would have also made more sense to vote for oats and try and push that unless oats is the 3rd scum. Therefore we have the entire scum team figured out or damerion is probably not scum.
On October 16 2017 08:11 Grackaroni wrote: Actually I think we should kill Fecalfeast. His scum reads are all just the 3 people who took pressure yesterday plus he was one of the people on the Damerion wagon and I noticed this call out from Darthfoley.
On October 14 2017 07:17 darthfoley wrote: Okay, so i really like happykrogan guy. Which makes me also like HF, because he drew the same conclusion that I did: I doubt a newbie like krogan would be this active and not be afraid to call someone out as first time mafia.
I think ruxxar is town, but I can understand why people-- especially new players-- might interpret his play as mafia. I also think Oats is more likely town than not. He was one of the first players to get the game moving, and I like his pressure on the LonelyClock dude. Still waiting for an answer on this, I think
On October 13 2017 15:34 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 13 2017 14:49 MrLonelyClock wrote:
I agreed about ruxxar posting fluff. Me voting on ruxxar != me thinking he is mafia atm. But I can see how you could come to that conclusion now. I guess we will have to disagree on the counterpoints validity.
So why are you voting for him?
Don't like Damdred or FF right now.
FF:
On October 14 2017 00:15 Fecalfeast wrote: Like I said early on, ruxxar is trying too hard
On October 14 2017 01:52 Fecalfeast wrote: Tbh i think ruxxar not giving a shit seems towny
This progression is odd and without any sort of explanation. The first post also doesn't say anything. People can try hard from either alignment.
Also strikes me as odd that he's scum reading Damerion for unearned town read on FF...
On October 14 2017 03:31 Fecalfeast wrote:
On October 14 2017 02:45 MrLonelyClock wrote: fecal if you think ruxxar is towny then who do you think currently is the most scummy then (can be 1 or more)?
Damerion for giving me a town read for basocally no reason. Seems tmi to me
When Damdred has somehow managed to townread like 6 people and put them into "no lynch" pile just 24h into the game. Yet no mention of Damdred. It's like he doesn't exist.
Speaking of Damdred
On October 14 2017 03:21 Damdred wrote: Ok, so I feel a little guilty at this point in time and I will try to be tge old Damdred this game.
Fact check away on my reads this train aint got no breaks and i aint got time to quote on phone.
Town Reads:
Damerion, he has this thing he does as town where he will have this skrt of mission statement about how he will approach the game. He has checked that, he gives clear concise reada with hard reasoning behind it, done. He also seems to try to draw people into conversation instead of existing.
Rux rux baby: Off the cuff read, the eay he responds to the pressure is town. Does t care, tries to be helpful and then establishes where he wants to be in the game. I think hes just going to be town for the tone and the lressure, but his reads were not bad.
If anyone tries to lynch rux at least today I will let slip the dogs of war and create chaos.
FF: Hey buddy we should work together, care free attitude. Gives some opinions still a bit weak on a few points, overall would not kynch today.
Gracky: Posts his thoughts, goes against thread sentiment a post or two ago. Seems to be looking where others dont, no lynch today.
Oats: Seemed to be reading the game a d his lressure wasnt horrid. It is defi ately not top town worthy but enough for a pass.
Xenon and nylonelylock are both town i feel for how they approached the game as newbs. Meh they were soitting fire earlier
Everyone else is in this null range besides hf who I love dearly but am ignoring until he wants cuddles.
Besides the fact that Damdred has only given vague town/null leans on virtually every active player, one read sticks out to me as more scummy than others. Damdred's read on FF feels fabricated. FF "gives some opinions" but FF is "weak on a few points" yet Damdred would still not lynch him today. He never specifies what points he's weak on, doesn't try to follow up with FF and clarify those "weak points." Talk about an unearned town read.
So I have no idea why FF isn't scum reading Damdred considering his self imposed criteria regarding Damerion.
In the last game FF slipped by carelessly saying that he would just sheep HF without noticing that HF was pushing somebody he was town reading. He went from calling Ruxxar scum for trying too hard to calling him town because he doesn't give a shit in an hour, and it was around the time people's opinion of Ruxxar seemed to be shifting.
Important to note that DF says that he doesn't like Damdred giving a free town read on FF and FF doesn't even mention Damdred in his posts. Quite peculiar interaction there indeed.
On October 16 2017 05:24 MrLonelyClock wrote: Man you have has a hard on for Damerion from the get go lol. You still never mentioned your update on conversion being buddied (or I missed it). Can you say why you thought that?
Holyflare...I have a waiting request for you when you wake up.
Didn't really have an update tbh. He was just being too nice towards me all game and it's my blind spot so I just put a mental note to be wary. To be honest I don't even know the reasons he was lynched :D
I'm left unsatisfied I was eagerly expecting an update
On October 16 2017 07:53 Holyflare wrote: I may have made a huge mistake where I didn't realise Conversion was voting Damerion.
Mistake how?
Basically it was 3 votes Conv, 3 votes Damerion, 2 oats, and some 1's at that point.
Actually, IF conv and damerion are scum together then it would have been established that the scum decided Damerion is a better kill than conv. This would possible explain conv voting for damerion and damerion not voting conv. As such I would assume the other scum would also vote for Damerion to "secure" towniness or if they gave him a town read then at least vote on somebody other than conv.
I think this is the only world that both damerion and conv can be scum together and I don't believe thats the case. Seems too far-fetched imo.
It would have also made more sense to vote for oats and try and push that unless oats is the 3rd scum. Therefore we have the entire scum team figured out or damerion is probably not scum.
On October 16 2017 13:47 Oatsmaster wrote: MrLonelyClock, where do your reads stand at the moment? I have no idea what you think based on your filter
Great. Looks like you don't really have any also.
Only read you have is damerion. And that was when 3 for conv and 2 damerion, making it 3 damerion. Had some time to read your filter and you managed to fly under my radar. Not surprising since your posts have no substance. Have you been able to make a single read or push? No.
On October 16 2017 13:47 Oatsmaster wrote: MrLonelyClock, where do your reads stand at the moment? I have no idea what you think based on your filter
Great. Looks like you don't really have any also.
Only read you have is damerion. And that was when 3 for conv and 2 damerion, making it 3 damerion. Had some time to read your filter and you managed to fly under my radar. Not surprising since your posts have no substance. Have you been able to make a single read or push? No.
##Vote Oatsmaster
Weren't you the one also trying to take my vote off of Conversion and onto Damerion. tsk tsk, not looking good is it?
On October 15 2017 00:42 Holyflare wrote: I actually think damerion is really really mafia. All you have to do is look at how explanatory his posts are in this game and compare them to hurricane shelter. In hurricane the only thing he talks about are scum reads and they have concrete reasons to be scum leans etc. This game he appears to be constantly on the back foot, all his reads are flimsy town reads.
Looking at his big initial post a lot of them aren't actually town reads either. There's a bunch of flimsy stuff like ruxxar(?) posting good but not alignment indicative stuff??? Which makes the whole paragraph a waste of time and contradictory since good stuff is normally a townie trait and if it's not then why post about it.
He also seems robotic to me.
Damerion
On October 15 2017 02:10 Holyflare wrote: After re-evaluating Xenonn (actually reading his filter) I've come to the conclusion that Damdred, the god of tone reads, is actually mafia jumping on an incredibly easy bandwagon.
Damdred
On October 15 2017 02:12 Holyflare wrote:
On October 15 2017 00:42 Holyflare wrote: I actually think damerion is really really mafia. All you have to do is look at how explanatory his posts are in this game and compare them to hurricane shelter. In hurricane the only thing he talks about are scum reads and they have concrete reasons to be scum leans etc. This game he appears to be constantly on the back foot, all his reads are flimsy town reads.
Looking at his big initial post a lot of them aren't actually town reads either. There's a bunch of flimsy stuff like ruxxar(?) posting good but not alignment indicative stuff??? Which makes the whole paragraph a waste of time and contradictory since good stuff is normally a townie trait and if it's not then why post about it.
He also seems robotic to me.
^^^^^^
This is all before he has completely switched up his playstyle to now be a mafia read that's not a mafia read, it's just "Interesting" and totally wasn't interesting in the slightest.
Then he just dropped off the face of the planet without talking to anyone.
On October 15 2017 04:14 MrLonelyClock wrote: I feel like this is a pretty strong wagon on damerion that I don't agree with. Early on in the game I didn't like his posts but his posts haven't changed much imo. It just seems like some people realized its a possible wagon and just jumped on it.
So if you didnt like his posts and he continued to post things that you disliked, why dont you think he is mafia?
On October 15 2017 04:14 MrLonelyClock wrote: I feel like this is a pretty strong wagon on damerion that I don't agree with. Early on in the game I didn't like his posts but his posts haven't changed much imo. It just seems like some people realized its a possible wagon and just jumped on it.
So if you didnt like his posts and he continued to post things that you disliked, why dont you think he is mafia?
I took peoples word for his weird playstyle and how he was good in the previous game and am leaving him Day 1. Nothing jumps out as scum but I just don't like his posting language he uses.
so you meant dont like as in dont prefer rather than the more commonly used dont like as in hes mafia.
sure dude.
Here they are, and only minutes before deadline. Nice try.
The only people that should be up for a possible lynch today should be that list of 4 people. Any other lynch target either have a damn good reason or is just a waste of town focus and filter cluttering.
As stated before I find it unlikely that Damerion is scum unless the team is Conversion, Damerion, Oatsmaster. I think he gets a pass for today.
Holyflare has been on Damerions butt most of the game but he also has made adequate points and doesn't seem to spew too much garbage. Not the most towny imo but much better than the remaining 2 of that list.
On October 14 2017 23:53 ruXxar wrote: Fefe, can I get a list post from you?
I have read the game but only on a surface level townish fecalfeast - i saw his role pm
happykrogan -not scared, trying to find scum
the other newbie guy who isn't damerion or xennon - same as above
ruxxar -not shying under pressure, trying to push newbs to try hard
nullish holyflare - initially was scumreading hf but i agree on damerion and he's not trying to lead town into his lynch super hard like he does as maf (to my recollection)
damdred - meh city, kinda seems like he wants to pocket his friend but isn't ashamed of pocketing so can't scum him for it atm
onegu - 1gu always afks especially early on. if he doesn't come in later with some shit i'd lynch. day 2 or 3 lynch if nobody is scummy as fuck by then
scumish oats - seems mafia, tone read i guess damerion - last game(trying not to talk too much about <active game> here) he had scumreads, pushed those scumreads, and was confident enough to shoot one. This game things are "interesting" and feel made up and weak
conversion - he wants to lynch me or 1gu. I have more posts than 1gu and 1gu has a habit of afking as either alignment. I don't like people who want to lynch me and especially don't like when they don't even push me when I have more to go on than their main scumread
IDK who else is playing because I'm pretty dumb and just woke up
FF day 1 his biggest vote went on damerion. It is interesting to note that his ONLY "reason" he has given I would say is very very weak. However important to note that conversion is also on his list and usually mafia will add a scum on their "scum list" as "towny" points. This is even more sketchy since that that is the only time he ever calls either damerion or conversion as scum reads. He doesn't seem to want to stir the pot too much and is very complacent in not pushing any of his scum reads. It is also curious to note that Conversion started accusing FF as one of his scum reads (add mafia to your scum read is a typical scum tactic, as already mention) and then later says he has reread FF and has changed his mind on him, but still doesn't like his play. It seems to me that conversion gave FF a free pass as deadline was approaching (4-5 hours left) without a decent explanation as to what was different that made him change his vote. He also never really pushed FF but just kept stating him as one of his reads as well with Onegu. He couldn't push Onegu since he was AFK but he could FF but didn't. Possibly cause they scum buddies.
Last but not least is Oats which I have slightly explained before a bit.
Anyways I am currently fine with either an FF or Oats lynch atm. Will look into it a little more later (work atm) but I think that is the direction we should be focusing, unless I missed something on either Damerion or Holyflare.
I am retarded and posted this in the vote thread as I forgot I replied to the quote from that thread, can that please be deleted from there? This is the same post I put there. Sorry guys, noob mistake.
On October 17 2017 03:15 Holyflare wrote: Why are people lynching damdred though?
Why aren't people lynching damdred?
Do you think there is no scum that voted on damerion (apart from conv)? You think they would let one member die day 1 to a lynch that could have been easily prevented by them?
On October 17 2017 03:15 Holyflare wrote: Why are people lynching damdred though?
Why aren't people lynching damdred?
Do you think there is no scum that voted on damerion (apart from conv)? You think they would let one member die day 1 to a lynch that could have been easily prevented by them?
I think that it's pointless to assume that mafia know how to play or don't know how to play.
Literally so many games where mafia have done stupid shit that totally screwed town over when we assumed that they knew how to play. Same the other way around.
I disagree. If you assume scum is shit then we will surely lose. Assume scum knows what they are doing and if it turns out they don't then we will catch them eventually. Lynching somebody day 2 who helped lynch scum day 1 is not only a bad idea but a stupid one. There are 2 scum left so take Damdred out of the equation for today and focus on everyone else.
Surprising the 2 ppl that didn't vote for scum are now trying to get ride of one of the players who did. Like I said, for today's lynch anybody who voted conversion shouldn't not be up for debate. Funny enough my two biggest scum reads atm are trying to start a wagon on damdred...
Also this afk stuff by so many players is annoying as heck. It's so dead compared to Day 1 and it's less than 18 till lynch. Speak up townies, we need to get a good scum lynch again.
On October 17 2017 03:15 Holyflare wrote: Why are people lynching damdred though?
Why aren't people lynching damdred?
Do you think there is no scum that voted on damerion (apart from conv)? You think they would let one member die day 1 to a lynch that could have been easily prevented by them?
I think that it's pointless to assume that mafia know how to play or don't know how to play.
Literally so many games where mafia have done stupid shit that totally screwed town over when we assumed that they knew how to play. Same the other way around.
I disagree. If you assume scum is shit then we will surely lose. Assume scum knows what they are doing and if it turns out they don't then we will catch them eventually. Lynching somebody day 2 who helped lynch scum day 1 is not only a bad idea but a stupid one. There are 2 scum left so take Damdred out of the equation for today and focus on everyone else.
Lol I'm not saying assume scum is shit. I'm saying don't assume anything. Which is what everyone is doing.
Other than your obvious bias, what can you say about damdred that is town?
Ignoring scum player trying to divert town to form a bad lynch for today.
On October 17 2017 03:15 Holyflare wrote: Why are people lynching damdred though?
Why aren't people lynching damdred?
Do you think there is no scum that voted on damerion (apart from conv)? You think they would let one member die day 1 to a lynch that could have been easily prevented by them?
I think that it's pointless to assume that mafia know how to play or don't know how to play.
Literally so many games where mafia have done stupid shit that totally screwed town over when we assumed that they knew how to play. Same the other way around.
I disagree. If you assume scum is shit then we will surely lose. Assume scum knows what they are doing and if it turns out they don't then we will catch them eventually. Lynching somebody day 2 who helped lynch scum day 1 is not only a bad idea but a stupid one. There are 2 scum left so take Damdred out of the equation for today and focus on everyone else.
Lol I'm not saying assume scum is shit. I'm saying don't assume anything. Which is what everyone is doing.
Other than your obvious bias, what can you say about damdred that is town?
Ignoring scum player trying to divert town to form a bad lynch for today.
Since you can't know if oats is scum or town how is this helping?
On October 17 2017 12:16 MrLonelyClock wrote: Also this afk stuff by so many players is annoying as heck. It's so dead compared to Day 1 and it's less than 18 till lynch. Speak up townies, we need to get a good scum lynch again.
So are you confident or not confident in your reads? Cause this reads like you really really want affirmation from other people. Which is unusual
Confident. Just no1 is really around but 5-6 people atm.
As an aside does anybody know if coolTLname afk's again if he will get kicked or replaced or something?
On October 18 2017 01:13 Damdred wrote: Honestly I think FF will probably flip town today just the way the wagon has went the lack of real push agaibst it, unless oats+ff is the team at least.
Let me reas a few filters rux and ill post something in a few minutes.
Either he is scum or doesn't give a shit as town. Either way he is helping scum out so I don't think he can get a free pass by literally giving up.
Also Onegu always afk during day when we actually do anything and xenonn doesn't explain reads till night. Wouldn't be surprised if they continue that trend. Onegu/xennon, provide your current reads and an actually explanation for them (looking at you xennon).
inb4 Onegu comes 1 hour before deadline, reads a bit and votes using only some information. Almost as bad as FF in not caring in that respect. At least FF admits to being useless.
Lol this last minute wagon onto someone that has been barely mentioned. Get out of here with this shit. Your points all suck and you are just trying to create confusion. Any new player will come and be like "oh I see onegu is getting a wagon, I might vote for him". Literally a joke you are damerion and damdred.
Sorry for having a bad read on FF. Back to business, I think Damerion is the other scum atm as he has repeatedly talked about the Oats/Grack/Conv for the entire game. Even just a few hours ago after "rereading" the game that is the only talking point he was able to bring up. Why do I think it is significant?
On October 16 2017 05:56 Damerion wrote: As for the second mafia it is a bit harder to guage and I do not have a solid answer at this point. Unless we have both mafia on me.
Which is my one problem with the Onegu scum read, why would he just not vote for me after showing such disdain for me. It is a problem I am trying to work out, perhaps if Conversion flips it makes him look even worse? I do not think that is that valid of a point however.
I think a lot of people look quite towny this game and the possibility of cooltlname being mafia skyrockets, and perhaps I was correct with my vote on Oatsmaster. I am being a bit wobbly with my thoughts at this time as I am rushing.
Apologies for being distracted this game.
If I am shot I understand and no hard feelings.
He makes 1 post talking about how he thinks conversion and onegu's interaction makes onegu scum and then after that makes this post. He clearly understands that his case on Onegu is weak at best and probably only brought it up so that it looks like he was trying to do some analysis on conversion.
On October 18 2017 05:22 Damerion wrote: I would not be opposed to a Grackanori wagon or an Onegu wagon
However he insists to keep including Onegu for some reason and the only people that he is highlighting is only some people that had those few interactions with conversion.
Last but not least is him not voting for Conversion which makes absolutely no sense (as we mentioned before) as well as him afk'ing this whole Day 2 (or most of) as I am quiet sure he was waiting for him name to not be on the chopping block. Going through I really feel like he is one of the other scum as I don't see a sliver of any possible town play coming from anything he has done so far. He probably voted off wagon this day so that he would not attract any attention to himself, at the same time keep up his "facade" of calling Onegu scum when he has clearly destroyed his own only argument, and has not provided anything for town.
Damn congrats Oats (and scum company), you sheeped smartly on the last day. It sucks that I got NK'd night 2 cause I would have had a read on damerion day 3 and would have saved town a lynch. I guess I will have to play more scummy to not get lynched when I get a blue role. Also it really did suck with the AFKs. And it wasn't that it was just one person but that so many people went afk for almost an entire day/night cycle or if they did post something it was very minimal activity.
EPT
