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Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
October 18 2017 21:30 GMT
#1141
Explain what you dont like rux
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
October 18 2017 21:35 GMT
#1142
On October 19 2017 06:25 ruXxar wrote:
Don’t trust damdreds claim at all but w/e.
I can lynch grack first.

I mean, there are a minimum of 2 blue roles so unless you want to counterclaim him, he's definitely blue. And there might even be 3, who knows?!?!?
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
October 18 2017 21:36 GMT
#1143
On October 19 2017 06:26 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2017 06:20 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 16 2017 07:42 Grackaroni wrote:
Ok look at when Damerion town reads Oats. It is at the start of the game when he is asked by Mr Lonelyclock what he though of Oats, and the read is based off of series of posts where he questions Ruxxar, which were posts that I also liked from Oats. He gave this read before I pointed out things about Oats' tone. Later on he does seem to walk back his Oats read a bit saying that he found it interesting that Oats ignored my accusation.

I think it's way more likely that his read changed without him updating it as town and believed the lynch to be TvT than that he panicked and voted off wagon because he was too afraid to bus when one of the two of them was very likely to die anyway.

Plus his posts have been way townier in this game than the other one imo. His thought process seems much more in depth whereas the other one I would have scum read him if I wasn't scum. That game it looked like he just chose a scum read and then went through the motions of asking people to kill him every so often rather than actually making an attempt to solve the game.

Can you lay out where damerion's thought process is in depth and compare it to the last game where he was town? And give us a conclusion?
Cause right now, you are sitting on the fence on whether damerion is town.

I think his post about the way I talked to you after scum reading you and his post about Onegu both showed that he was spending more time thinking about alignments than from what I saw in the last game.

And I've been more on the town side of the fence on Damerion for a while now - at least before the day 1 lynch.

So today who are you looking at as mafia?

He was town last game though soooo differences might also mean different alignments.
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
October 18 2017 21:37 GMT
#1144
On October 19 2017 06:26 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2017 06:21 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 19 2017 06:15 Damdred wrote:
In any case,

I dount Damerion is scum here. His tone was right early, he was still trying to figure out interactions. He tried to drag me into actively playing earlier, and just as a meta point he tries to drive me away from playing the game when he is scum


He is a bit to clean though and he walked back a couple of reads for no real reason that I saw.

So i think im at 75% town right now.

Do you think that not voting for conversion is a point that makes him town or doesn't make him town?


Well, I generallly put suicidal tendencies in games as more town. I have it as more of a null thing currently and doesnt really sway me either way about his alignment.

"Currently" ? So your opinion about it can change? What information do you need to change that view?
Also right now, damerion is getting lynched. What are you going to do about it?
No gg, No skill.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
October 18 2017 21:46 GMT
#1145
Ruxxar probs mafia. Actually extremely likely.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
October 18 2017 21:50 GMT
#1146
Onegu/Xennon/Ruxxar/HF is my lynch group. I'll figure out which one I want in a little bit.

Right now I'm playing sc2 and apparently I'm autistic because I beat some dude in a starcraft game. I'm learning so much about myself today.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
October 18 2017 21:51 GMT
#1147
He's been a lot less crazy than the last game I played with him
No gg, No skill.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
October 18 2017 21:51 GMT
#1148
On October 19 2017 06:37 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2017 06:26 Damdred wrote:
On October 19 2017 06:21 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 19 2017 06:15 Damdred wrote:
In any case,

I dount Damerion is scum here. His tone was right early, he was still trying to figure out interactions. He tried to drag me into actively playing earlier, and just as a meta point he tries to drive me away from playing the game when he is scum


He is a bit to clean though and he walked back a couple of reads for no real reason that I saw.

So i think im at 75% town right now.

Do you think that not voting for conversion is a point that makes him town or doesn't make him town?


Well, I generallly put suicidal tendencies in games as more town. I have it as more of a null thing currently and doesnt really sway me either way about his alignment.

"Currently" ? So your opinion about it can change? What information do you need to change that view?
Also right now, damerion is getting lynched. What are you going to do about it?


Thought process can change but nothing short of a reread probably.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
October 18 2017 21:52 GMT
#1149
Ruxxar hammered mafia, town read by a lot, not dead.
Far too agreeable.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
October 18 2017 21:55 GMT
#1150
On October 19 2017 06:52 Holyflare wrote:
Ruxxar hammered mafia, town read by a lot, not dead.
Far too agreeable.


Following thread sentiment to
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
October 18 2017 21:57 GMT
#1151
Let's go back to damerion grack.
If he's different from last game, why doesn't that make him scummy? Last game he was town.
I totally disagree that he has been more thoughtful about this game. All his conclusions are surface level and as damdred said he walks back those without reasons
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
October 18 2017 21:57 GMT
#1152
On October 19 2017 06:51 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2017 06:37 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 19 2017 06:26 Damdred wrote:
On October 19 2017 06:21 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 19 2017 06:15 Damdred wrote:
In any case,

I dount Damerion is scum here. His tone was right early, he was still trying to figure out interactions. He tried to drag me into actively playing earlier, and just as a meta point he tries to drive me away from playing the game when he is scum


He is a bit to clean though and he walked back a couple of reads for no real reason that I saw.

So i think im at 75% town right now.

Do you think that not voting for conversion is a point that makes him town or doesn't make him town?


Well, I generallly put suicidal tendencies in games as more town. I have it as more of a null thing currently and doesnt really sway me either way about his alignment.

"Currently" ? So your opinion about it can change? What information do you need to change that view?
Also right now, damerion is getting lynched. What are you going to do about it?


Thought process can change but nothing short of a reread probably.

Come on damdred, you can give us more than this.
No gg, No skill.
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
October 19 2017 00:10 GMT
#1153
On October 19 2017 06:30 Damdred wrote:
Explain what you dont like rux


I don't like the fact that you don't claim what role you are.
This gives you a cop out in the way that:

1) We can't argue if the role you claim is even likely to exist in the game.
2) You don't allow yourself to be counterclaimed by someone who actually has the role you claim to be.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
October 19 2017 00:17 GMT
#1154
On October 19 2017 06:35 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2017 06:25 ruXxar wrote:
Don’t trust damdreds claim at all but w/e.
I can lynch grack first.

I mean, there are a minimum of 2 blue roles so unless you want to counterclaim him, he's definitely blue. And there might even be 3, who knows?!?!?


That's the point.
Right now without claiming his role, it looks like he is trying to bait out a counterclaim of a real blue.

Here's 2 scenarios:

1)
Let's say damdred is mafia and claims "blue".
Now lets say a medic counter claims and says thats not right "I'm medic".
Damdred now says, "oh but I'm vig".
Damdred mafia runs away no problem.

2)
Let's say damdred is mafia and claims "medic"
Now let's say a medic counter claims and says thats not right "Im medic".
Damdred says "no you're right".
Fighting ensues and we catch 1 mafia.



I want scenario 2 to happen. Without damdred claiming a role, only scenario 1 can happen.
If he was really a blue as he claims, he should want us to gain his trust by revealing what role he claims to be.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
October 19 2017 00:21 GMT
#1155
I'm voting damdred until he reveals what role he is.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
October 19 2017 00:29 GMT
#1156
On October 19 2017 06:52 Holyflare wrote:
Ruxxar hammered mafia, town read by a lot, not dead.
Far too agreeable.


This makes me mafia how?
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
October 19 2017 00:48 GMT
#1157
On October 19 2017 09:17 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2017 06:35 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 19 2017 06:25 ruXxar wrote:
Don’t trust damdreds claim at all but w/e.
I can lynch grack first.

I mean, there are a minimum of 2 blue roles so unless you want to counterclaim him, he's definitely blue. And there might even be 3, who knows?!?!?


That's the point.
Right now without claiming his role, it looks like he is trying to bait out a counterclaim of a real blue.

Here's 2 scenarios:

1)
Let's say damdred is mafia and claims "blue".
Now lets say a medic counter claims and says thats not right "I'm medic".
Damdred now says, "oh but I'm vig".
Damdred mafia runs away no problem.

2)
Let's say damdred is mafia and claims "medic"
Now let's say a medic counter claims and says thats not right "Im medic".
Damdred says "no you're right".
Fighting ensues and we catch 1 mafia.



I want scenario 2 to happen. Without damdred claiming a role, only scenario 1 can happen.
If he was really a blue as he claims, he should want us to gain his trust by revealing what role he claims to be.

yeah actually I agree with this, there isnt a downside for town!damdred to fully claim his role.
No gg, No skill.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
October 19 2017 01:45 GMT
#1158
Hard claiming medic
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
October 19 2017 02:01 GMT
#1159
On October 19 2017 10:45 Damdred wrote:
Hard claiming medic


Thanks.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
October 19 2017 02:44 GMT
#1160
Alright we can move on from this blue claim thing.

No gg, No skill.
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