On October 15 2017 00:42 Holyflare wrote: I actually think damerion is really really mafia. All you have to do is look at how explanatory his posts are in this game and compare them to hurricane shelter. In hurricane the only thing he talks about are scum reads and they have concrete reasons to be scum leans etc. This game he appears to be constantly on the back foot, all his reads are flimsy town reads.
Looking at his big initial post a lot of them aren't actually town reads either. There's a bunch of flimsy stuff like ruxxar(?) posting good but not alignment indicative stuff??? Which makes the whole paragraph a waste of time and contradictory since good stuff is normally a townie trait and if it's not then why post about it.
He also seems robotic to me.
Damerion
On October 15 2017 02:10 Holyflare wrote: After re-evaluating Xenonn (actually reading his filter) I've come to the conclusion that Damdred, the god of tone reads, is actually mafia jumping on an incredibly easy bandwagon.
Damdred
On October 15 2017 02:12 Holyflare wrote:
On October 15 2017 00:42 Holyflare wrote: I actually think damerion is really really mafia. All you have to do is look at how explanatory his posts are in this game and compare them to hurricane shelter. In hurricane the only thing he talks about are scum reads and they have concrete reasons to be scum leans etc. This game he appears to be constantly on the back foot, all his reads are flimsy town reads.
Looking at his big initial post a lot of them aren't actually town reads either. There's a bunch of flimsy stuff like ruxxar(?) posting good but not alignment indicative stuff??? Which makes the whole paragraph a waste of time and contradictory since good stuff is normally a townie trait and if it's not then why post about it.
He also seems robotic to me.
^^^^^^
This is all before he has completely switched up his playstyle to now be a mafia read that's not a mafia read, it's just "Interesting" and totally wasn't interesting in the slightest.
Then he just dropped off the face of the planet without talking to anyone.
Back to Damerion
And I still think they both can be mafia reads. That's not wavering, there's more than one mafia in this game.
OK fair enough. My first reading through it seemed like you waivered but going further in your filter shows that you have been on Damerion for a while and this was just a "Damdred" is also probably mafia. I retract my point regard you.
On October 15 2017 04:14 MrLonelyClock wrote: I feel like this is a pretty strong wagon on damerion that I don't agree with. Early on in the game I didn't like his posts but his posts haven't changed much imo. It just seems like some people realized its a possible wagon and just jumped on it.
So if you didnt like his posts and he continued to post things that you disliked, why dont you think he is mafia?
I took peoples word for his weird playstyle and how he was good in the previous game and am leaving him Day 1. Nothing jumps out as scum but I just don't like his posting language he uses.
so you meant dont like as in dont prefer rather than the more commonly used dont like as in hes mafia.
sure dude.
Yes I don't like his posts in the sense of it feels like he is writing a novel each time and it feels as if talking to a wall. I mentioned that early on in my reads on Damerion...
On October 15 2017 03:57 Holyflare wrote: Ruxxar still thinks I'm mafia eh?
The people voting conversion are town as hell. if it comes to deadline, those are who I want to be voting with.
What do you expect to happen between now and deadline that you dont want to commit???
I'm hoping damerion will show up and say something.
you can do something else?? You dont even want to vote damerion anyway, why does it matter if he shows up? I really dont understand what your line of play is here
Damerion looks slightly worse than conversion. Conversion is at least fighting to stay alive, and I have a soft spot for people fighting when their life is on the line.
My heart is telling me to vote damerion, my head is telling me to vote conversion. I haven't made up my mind yet.
Listen to your head. Your heart lies.
Also take your vote off HF, its a waste at this point.
All mighty Holyflare, I am sorry I am not sheeping your amazing top tier read on Damerion but I do not agree with it because I think he is not as scummy as conversion. Again, I am sorry that I do not support your read but acknowledge you are really, really good at this game and will listen the next time you make a read and have a full debate with you over the points that you raise. Good day, sir.
On October 15 2017 08:39 Holyflare wrote: If Damerion is scum and couldn't vote Conversion then his other alternative would be the third highest wagon which is Ruxxar. Ruxxar was on 2 votes and Damerion didn't vote him but then when he returned (to afk again lolololol) who did he end up with his vote on? Oatsmaster. Now, I guess it's not so suspicious UNTIL you read Damerion's posts:
On October 13 2017 06:38 Damerion wrote: I also did not dislike RuxXar opening salvo of posts even if it is not super indicative at this moment in time, he was playful and did not seem angry at others having fun. So I have a good feeling about him at present.
^ This is an excerpt from his opening post that I really disliked. Notice how it says absolutely NOTHING. He mentioned a bunch of town reads which I wouldn't necessarily have a problem with if this wasn't thrown in at the end. It's a little mention of Ruxxar that says he didn't dislike Ruxxar's post but it hasn't got any relevance to an alignment. It's tacked on and sticks out like a sore thumb, it's irrelevant.
Then, you go through his other substantial posts in the game (there aren't many, let's be real) and who does he town read?
As for my read on Oatsmaster is that he is towny, his catch/pressure on RuxXar seems like it comes from town. It reads as if he is paying attention looking for little details that would make someone scum, and acts on it.
His major read in this post is that OATSMASTER IS TOWN.
Now, his approach and tone towards Oatsmaster has completely changed. He is speaking to him and with him as if he is town and is trying to figure out common ground that they can work on.
Grackaroni vote is still on Oatsmaster, he has tried to convince people that Oatsmaster is scum. But the approach he takes towards him does not make sense for someone with a scum read on said person.
Oatsmaster nonresponse to Grackaroni posts is interesting as well. But its not quite uo to the level I just pointed out.
He was the third highest lynch that wasn't his partner!
I agree with HF that this makes so sense for Damerion. Why would he not make sure that he stays alive and vote on the other wagon?
On October 15 2017 05:55 Damerion wrote: Here I am, I lost track of time and these day phases are very short.
I see conversion and myself are up for lynch. I do not know if I believe that conversion is scum at this point in time.
In fact with how apathetic the thread is I am decently certain it is going to be town v town.
He knew it was either him or conversion and basically decides to throw away his vote. If he was town then its an easy decision, get lynched (0% hitting scum) or risk it and hope the other wagon is scum (>0% of hitting scum). I cannot understand this logic and would like him to explain the reasoning for his vote
Man you have has a hard on for Damerion from the get go lol. You still never mentioned your update on conversion being buddied (or I missed it). Can you say why you thought that?
On October 16 2017 05:24 MrLonelyClock wrote: Man you have has a hard on for Damerion from the get go lol. You still never mentioned your update on conversion being buddied (or I missed it). Can you say why you thought that?
Holyflare...I have a waiting request for you when you wake up.
Was Damerion ever on the chopping block in any of his previous games? If not I could see his voting "method" (as stupid as I think it was) as him panicking as either alignment.
On October 16 2017 07:53 Holyflare wrote: I may have made a huge mistake where I didn't realise Conversion was voting Damerion.
Mistake how?
Basically it was 3 votes Conv, 3 votes Damerion, 2 oats, and some 1's at that point.
Actually, IF conv and damerion are scum together then it would have been established that the scum decided Damerion is a better kill than conv. This would possible explain conv voting for damerion and damerion not voting conv. As such I would assume the other scum would also vote for Damerion to "secure" towniness or if they gave him a town read then at least vote on somebody other than conv.
I think this is the only world that both damerion and conv can be scum together and I don't believe thats the case. Seems too far-fetched imo.
On October 16 2017 07:53 Holyflare wrote: I may have made a huge mistake where I didn't realise Conversion was voting Damerion.
Mistake how?
Basically it was 3 votes Conv, 3 votes Damerion, 2 oats, and some 1's at that point.
Actually, IF conv and damerion are scum together then it would have been established that the scum decided Damerion is a better kill than conv. This would possible explain conv voting for damerion and damerion not voting conv. As such I would assume the other scum would also vote for Damerion to "secure" towniness or if they gave him a town read then at least vote on somebody other than conv.
I think this is the only world that both damerion and conv can be scum together and I don't believe thats the case. Seems too far-fetched imo.
It would have also made more sense to vote for oats and try and push that unless oats is the 3rd scum. Therefore we have the entire scum team figured out or damerion is probably not scum.
On October 16 2017 08:11 Grackaroni wrote: Actually I think we should kill Fecalfeast. His scum reads are all just the 3 people who took pressure yesterday plus he was one of the people on the Damerion wagon and I noticed this call out from Darthfoley.
On October 14 2017 07:17 darthfoley wrote: Okay, so i really like happykrogan guy. Which makes me also like HF, because he drew the same conclusion that I did: I doubt a newbie like krogan would be this active and not be afraid to call someone out as first time mafia.
I think ruxxar is town, but I can understand why people-- especially new players-- might interpret his play as mafia. I also think Oats is more likely town than not. He was one of the first players to get the game moving, and I like his pressure on the LonelyClock dude. Still waiting for an answer on this, I think
On October 13 2017 15:34 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 13 2017 14:49 MrLonelyClock wrote:
I agreed about ruxxar posting fluff. Me voting on ruxxar != me thinking he is mafia atm. But I can see how you could come to that conclusion now. I guess we will have to disagree on the counterpoints validity.
So why are you voting for him?
Don't like Damdred or FF right now.
FF:
On October 14 2017 00:15 Fecalfeast wrote: Like I said early on, ruxxar is trying too hard
On October 14 2017 01:52 Fecalfeast wrote: Tbh i think ruxxar not giving a shit seems towny
This progression is odd and without any sort of explanation. The first post also doesn't say anything. People can try hard from either alignment.
Also strikes me as odd that he's scum reading Damerion for unearned town read on FF...
On October 14 2017 03:31 Fecalfeast wrote:
On October 14 2017 02:45 MrLonelyClock wrote: fecal if you think ruxxar is towny then who do you think currently is the most scummy then (can be 1 or more)?
Damerion for giving me a town read for basocally no reason. Seems tmi to me
When Damdred has somehow managed to townread like 6 people and put them into "no lynch" pile just 24h into the game. Yet no mention of Damdred. It's like he doesn't exist.
Speaking of Damdred
On October 14 2017 03:21 Damdred wrote: Ok, so I feel a little guilty at this point in time and I will try to be tge old Damdred this game.
Fact check away on my reads this train aint got no breaks and i aint got time to quote on phone.
Town Reads:
Damerion, he has this thing he does as town where he will have this skrt of mission statement about how he will approach the game. He has checked that, he gives clear concise reada with hard reasoning behind it, done. He also seems to try to draw people into conversation instead of existing.
Rux rux baby: Off the cuff read, the eay he responds to the pressure is town. Does t care, tries to be helpful and then establishes where he wants to be in the game. I think hes just going to be town for the tone and the lressure, but his reads were not bad.
If anyone tries to lynch rux at least today I will let slip the dogs of war and create chaos.
FF: Hey buddy we should work together, care free attitude. Gives some opinions still a bit weak on a few points, overall would not kynch today.
Gracky: Posts his thoughts, goes against thread sentiment a post or two ago. Seems to be looking where others dont, no lynch today.
Oats: Seemed to be reading the game a d his lressure wasnt horrid. It is defi ately not top town worthy but enough for a pass.
Xenon and nylonelylock are both town i feel for how they approached the game as newbs. Meh they were soitting fire earlier
Everyone else is in this null range besides hf who I love dearly but am ignoring until he wants cuddles.
Besides the fact that Damdred has only given vague town/null leans on virtually every active player, one read sticks out to me as more scummy than others. Damdred's read on FF feels fabricated. FF "gives some opinions" but FF is "weak on a few points" yet Damdred would still not lynch him today. He never specifies what points he's weak on, doesn't try to follow up with FF and clarify those "weak points." Talk about an unearned town read.
So I have no idea why FF isn't scum reading Damdred considering his self imposed criteria regarding Damerion.
In the last game FF slipped by carelessly saying that he would just sheep HF without noticing that HF was pushing somebody he was town reading. He went from calling Ruxxar scum for trying too hard to calling him town because he doesn't give a shit in an hour, and it was around the time people's opinion of Ruxxar seemed to be shifting.
Important to note that DF says that he doesn't like Damdred giving a free town read on FF and FF doesn't even mention Damdred in his posts. Quite peculiar interaction there indeed.
On October 16 2017 05:24 MrLonelyClock wrote: Man you have has a hard on for Damerion from the get go lol. You still never mentioned your update on conversion being buddied (or I missed it). Can you say why you thought that?
Holyflare...I have a waiting request for you when you wake up.
Didn't really have an update tbh. He was just being too nice towards me all game and it's my blind spot so I just put a mental note to be wary. To be honest I don't even know the reasons he was lynched :D
I'm left unsatisfied I was eagerly expecting an update
On October 16 2017 07:53 Holyflare wrote: I may have made a huge mistake where I didn't realise Conversion was voting Damerion.
Mistake how?
Basically it was 3 votes Conv, 3 votes Damerion, 2 oats, and some 1's at that point.
Actually, IF conv and damerion are scum together then it would have been established that the scum decided Damerion is a better kill than conv. This would possible explain conv voting for damerion and damerion not voting conv. As such I would assume the other scum would also vote for Damerion to "secure" towniness or if they gave him a town read then at least vote on somebody other than conv.
I think this is the only world that both damerion and conv can be scum together and I don't believe thats the case. Seems too far-fetched imo.
It would have also made more sense to vote for oats and try and push that unless oats is the 3rd scum. Therefore we have the entire scum team figured out or damerion is probably not scum.
On October 16 2017 13:47 Oatsmaster wrote: MrLonelyClock, where do your reads stand at the moment? I have no idea what you think based on your filter
Great. Looks like you don't really have any also.
Only read you have is damerion. And that was when 3 for conv and 2 damerion, making it 3 damerion. Had some time to read your filter and you managed to fly under my radar. Not surprising since your posts have no substance. Have you been able to make a single read or push? No.
On October 16 2017 13:47 Oatsmaster wrote: MrLonelyClock, where do your reads stand at the moment? I have no idea what you think based on your filter
Great. Looks like you don't really have any also.
Only read you have is damerion. And that was when 3 for conv and 2 damerion, making it 3 damerion. Had some time to read your filter and you managed to fly under my radar. Not surprising since your posts have no substance. Have you been able to make a single read or push? No.
##Vote Oatsmaster
Weren't you the one also trying to take my vote off of Conversion and onto Damerion. tsk tsk, not looking good is it?
On October 15 2017 00:42 Holyflare wrote: I actually think damerion is really really mafia. All you have to do is look at how explanatory his posts are in this game and compare them to hurricane shelter. In hurricane the only thing he talks about are scum reads and they have concrete reasons to be scum leans etc. This game he appears to be constantly on the back foot, all his reads are flimsy town reads.
Looking at his big initial post a lot of them aren't actually town reads either. There's a bunch of flimsy stuff like ruxxar(?) posting good but not alignment indicative stuff??? Which makes the whole paragraph a waste of time and contradictory since good stuff is normally a townie trait and if it's not then why post about it.
He also seems robotic to me.
Damerion
On October 15 2017 02:10 Holyflare wrote: After re-evaluating Xenonn (actually reading his filter) I've come to the conclusion that Damdred, the god of tone reads, is actually mafia jumping on an incredibly easy bandwagon.
Damdred
On October 15 2017 02:12 Holyflare wrote:
On October 15 2017 00:42 Holyflare wrote: I actually think damerion is really really mafia. All you have to do is look at how explanatory his posts are in this game and compare them to hurricane shelter. In hurricane the only thing he talks about are scum reads and they have concrete reasons to be scum leans etc. This game he appears to be constantly on the back foot, all his reads are flimsy town reads.
Looking at his big initial post a lot of them aren't actually town reads either. There's a bunch of flimsy stuff like ruxxar(?) posting good but not alignment indicative stuff??? Which makes the whole paragraph a waste of time and contradictory since good stuff is normally a townie trait and if it's not then why post about it.
He also seems robotic to me.
^^^^^^
This is all before he has completely switched up his playstyle to now be a mafia read that's not a mafia read, it's just "Interesting" and totally wasn't interesting in the slightest.
Then he just dropped off the face of the planet without talking to anyone.
On October 15 2017 04:14 MrLonelyClock wrote: I feel like this is a pretty strong wagon on damerion that I don't agree with. Early on in the game I didn't like his posts but his posts haven't changed much imo. It just seems like some people realized its a possible wagon and just jumped on it.
So if you didnt like his posts and he continued to post things that you disliked, why dont you think he is mafia?
On October 15 2017 04:14 MrLonelyClock wrote: I feel like this is a pretty strong wagon on damerion that I don't agree with. Early on in the game I didn't like his posts but his posts haven't changed much imo. It just seems like some people realized its a possible wagon and just jumped on it.
So if you didnt like his posts and he continued to post things that you disliked, why dont you think he is mafia?
I took peoples word for his weird playstyle and how he was good in the previous game and am leaving him Day 1. Nothing jumps out as scum but I just don't like his posting language he uses.
so you meant dont like as in dont prefer rather than the more commonly used dont like as in hes mafia.
sure dude.
Here they are, and only minutes before deadline. Nice try.
The only people that should be up for a possible lynch today should be that list of 4 people. Any other lynch target either have a damn good reason or is just a waste of town focus and filter cluttering.
As stated before I find it unlikely that Damerion is scum unless the team is Conversion, Damerion, Oatsmaster. I think he gets a pass for today.
Holyflare has been on Damerions butt most of the game but he also has made adequate points and doesn't seem to spew too much garbage. Not the most towny imo but much better than the remaining 2 of that list.
On October 14 2017 23:53 ruXxar wrote: Fefe, can I get a list post from you?
I have read the game but only on a surface level townish fecalfeast - i saw his role pm
happykrogan -not scared, trying to find scum
the other newbie guy who isn't damerion or xennon - same as above
ruxxar -not shying under pressure, trying to push newbs to try hard
nullish holyflare - initially was scumreading hf but i agree on damerion and he's not trying to lead town into his lynch super hard like he does as maf (to my recollection)
damdred - meh city, kinda seems like he wants to pocket his friend but isn't ashamed of pocketing so can't scum him for it atm
onegu - 1gu always afks especially early on. if he doesn't come in later with some shit i'd lynch. day 2 or 3 lynch if nobody is scummy as fuck by then
scumish oats - seems mafia, tone read i guess damerion - last game(trying not to talk too much about <active game> here) he had scumreads, pushed those scumreads, and was confident enough to shoot one. This game things are "interesting" and feel made up and weak
conversion - he wants to lynch me or 1gu. I have more posts than 1gu and 1gu has a habit of afking as either alignment. I don't like people who want to lynch me and especially don't like when they don't even push me when I have more to go on than their main scumread
IDK who else is playing because I'm pretty dumb and just woke up
FF day 1 his biggest vote went on damerion. It is interesting to note that his ONLY "reason" he has given I would say is very very weak. However important to note that conversion is also on his list and usually mafia will add a scum on their "scum list" as "towny" points. This is even more sketchy since that that is the only time he ever calls either damerion or conversion as scum reads. He doesn't seem to want to stir the pot too much and is very complacent in not pushing any of his scum reads. It is also curious to note that Conversion started accusing FF as one of his scum reads (add mafia to your scum read is a typical scum tactic, as already mention) and then later says he has reread FF and has changed his mind on him, but still doesn't like his play. It seems to me that conversion gave FF a free pass as deadline was approaching (4-5 hours left) without a decent explanation as to what was different that made him change his vote. He also never really pushed FF but just kept stating him as one of his reads as well with Onegu. He couldn't push Onegu since he was AFK but he could FF but didn't. Possibly cause they scum buddies.
Last but not least is Oats which I have slightly explained before a bit.
Anyways I am currently fine with either an FF or Oats lynch atm. Will look into it a little more later (work atm) but I think that is the direction we should be focusing, unless I missed something on either Damerion or Holyflare.
I am retarded and posted this in the vote thread as I forgot I replied to the quote from that thread, can that please be deleted from there? This is the same post I put there. Sorry guys, noob mistake.
EPT
