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On August 24 2017 22:46 Fecalfeast wrote: I believe it was to prevent infinite days. I can allow it if that's the general consensus We have to have either no lynch or no shot imo can't have both | ||
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Early posters rock | ||
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Confirmed non fun ls is scum. | ||
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On August 25 2017 04:44 LightningStrike wrote: Shh calling out your teammate already. Thanks for telling us your scum team :D + Show Spoiler + I joking dunno if skynx is scum with you or it just ogi stuff he was talking about. For this post specifically, his quote just makes me facepalm and go yeah ls I probably town. | ||
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It is interesting lots jumped on my early ls read, and actually plus 1 it. | ||
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On August 25 2017 05:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: No i think LS is town too i just don't get your town circle. Oh, well non joking wise, vivax posts aren't bad. Art is a null right now. LS is a town read though. Though not a controversial read rip. | ||
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On August 25 2017 05:08 Koshi wrote: Why can't we see the same thing you saw? I wasn't going to say anything yet but he was being innocent town puppy. Because generally speaking I have to fight tooth and nail to him not to be scum read. It's an interesting Chang of pace. | ||
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Sure it is, I you look into my last games I generally come up with a quick read on ls. I end up in a fight with the thread at one point or another. (One with ritoky comes to mind ). Did try to lynch him as scum though | ||
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I hope we can work together this game. ATM though skynx feels like he's a bit floundering and trying to poke you rayn, I'm not sure what this makes him quite yet though. Koshi and vivax also into the town pile. @HF why you no care about the question you asked me? | ||
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If you look atvlast game you sont see a lot of the earlybprodding or the ah hahmoment that i generally see him make as town. His interaction with skynx seems like hebisborodding in the right direction and trying to ascertain motivation and to get a read/understabding of him. to me it hust reads town rayn. | ||
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Like last game where he was scum he came out hard and fast with a plan and direction (This is his typical mafia meta). He's a bit more reserved and doing what he wants and commenting on what he thinks is interesting so that's a bit more his town self. But I dislike his koshi read strongly. I think just gut/meta I'd say sorta hope null towny lean. | ||
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@LS was there a post of arts you specifically did not like? | ||
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On August 25 2017 21:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: Meh that was badly explained. I think vivax lacks his normal conf bias in how certain he is about a read. I think I disagree with this post and the previous one. I think vivax is pretty clear where he stands on skynx and that is mafia leaning-mafia read currently. And if you look at his filter I think it does read a bit like building conf bias, he starts with a weaker read of his on skynx. He builds on that with another example strengthening where the read is going and finally to the longer post it seems like it is pretty solid. Is it probably weaker than most vivax reads? I don't necessarily think so, it was pretty early and it looks like vivax is reading and interacting with the game. So nah I don't agree with you rayn. | ||
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On August 25 2017 22:25 LightningStrike wrote: No it just seems a little bit lackluster from what I remembered from him. Could be because I always thought he was a good player. Could be a bit early that why I a bit hesitant about commiting to a read on him. Help me la who scum? | ||
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On August 25 2017 22:49 LightningStrike wrote: If I had a gun to my head right now maybe geript? His huge wall of text was just a bunch of words with little actual content and his fight with koshi seems kinda forced? Does it seemed forced both ways or just geript towards koshi? | ||
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On August 25 2017 22:58 Skynx wrote: Damdred, you have any other towns beside rayn and LS? Ls Rayn Vivax Koshi HF ( haven't talked much about him. But he's being smart and pushing things I think town hf would) Then we have a lower tier Art Sky Tw Geript An afk tier Ruxx Oats Right now I do not know who scum is, I have a reason to tr geript (meta reason), art had some reasonable and logical posts but not enough do me to put into no lynch town today, skynx had a bad push on koshi but looked at other games and backed odd (Which I thought was towny), and generally I can't read tw worth a shit so I keep him floating and try to ignore him. A random thought about tw though, Igeript is scum his read on tw might confirm him as town. | ||
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Town geript lives jumping on my wood and riding with me. | ||
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 .Right now I think I'm leaning towards lynching between geript/skynx/Artanis. I do not think this is necessarily a team right now though. Brief explanation, Geript: Had almost completely ignored me to focus on pounding a read through. But this has been a detriment as he generally does care about other reads in the thread and takes time to reach it. A plus would be he is only talking about what he cares about. I just am unsure it is town geript right now. Right now I think I might vote geript. Artanis: Feels a bit off in his reasoning, and he seems to be sliding up to some of the bigger thread personalities. His coming to sheep nd to me felt forced just reading it and was looking for a safer spot to put his vote. Skynx: He is sort of poe at this point and my weakest scum read. I also think as an aside that I think he will sort of be spewed town if art flips scum. | ||
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I think he is but I'll check. Do you agree with my scum list rayn? Or am I wrong with how I am approaching someone? | ||
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On August 26 2017 23:16 Holyflare wrote: Can like 50% of the game stop being mafia please? Are you jabbing at me again baby? | ||
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I think he's still a 7.5/10 town read. My initial read is still a good one I think, he has his classic town obliviousness. And he seems honest, and also one super important thing is he's not just jumping on obvious town wagons/pushed just to have votes up. There are a couple of negatives, he was a little lazy expecting other people to do meta instead of the hyper active ls. And he's a bit more sideline and trusting of people (like me what I've got him a lot before and he just goes along with me and soft shades me to oats really frustrating ls). Overall I think hes town still and not worth a lynch today for sure. | ||
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On August 26 2017 23:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes. I do. Except for Skynx. I would remove Skynx and add Oatsmaster. I don't know what he is trying to do with his LS push. Like, I did like how oats came into the thread and went after people. I thought it was town, I don't understand how he came to his four scum list. I thought all of them were town when he posted that. I still like the way he is pushing, but dislike how he's reading the game. I just dontg want to lynch him today. | ||
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On August 26 2017 20:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I can lynch either Koshi or Geript today. Will sheep you on either, but people could be coming in at any moment now. I'm sure its probably been talked about. But this post by art super bugs me, he spends previous posts driving himself to vote for koshi and spend a none with geript, ends up settling on koshi with very little paranoia about geript being there. And as much grief as he gave koshi about res progression geript is pretty b.s. to and he never calls him out. Really bad | ||
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On August 27 2017 00:54 Damdred wrote: I'm sure its probably been talked about. But this post by art super bugs me, he spends previous posts driving himself to vote for koshi and spend a none with geript, ends up settling on koshi with very little paranoia about geript being there. And as much grief as he gave koshi about res progression geript is pretty b.s. to and he never calls him out. Really bad So I think this got missed in the posting which is annoying, but comments on arts vote progression would be pretty nice I think | ||
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On August 27 2017 01:44 LightningStrike wrote: A bit strange I can confirm he didn't post a reason why he was scumreading Geript. He got some explaining to do on that part. But what your conclusion about art from it ls? | ||
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Not really caring about surviving just sort of prodding people in a mean sort of way right now. Idk I have this view of koshi scum game where he tries to be accommodating to people and tries to survive. I don't see it so much here so far, plus a couple of his early posts were good . | ||
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On August 27 2017 02:51 Oatsmaster wrote: i mean, its not unheard of for buses to happen and in my opinion, I wouldnt really look to whos voting the person I want to lynch as a reason to not lynch that person. I think one of my main points I didn't harp on enough was this. (Or I just realized it but let's pretend I'm a good player and just forgot) His geript read comes out of thin air and seems to be pandering to the two main factions in the thread. Koshi and Geript (hf and rayn respectively). His koshi read is somewhat developed but does not stray to much from developed read that hf has put forward. His geript read however is air, has no backing and both (if not all his reads). Seem like they are just playing towards fitting in with the thread at that moment in time. I think he went from voting skynx, to then saying he would vote for wither koshi or geript. Skynx was thread sentiment push by rayn, koshi is thread sentiment by hf. It makes little sense to me for a town artanis to do this. | ||
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On August 27 2017 02:56 Holyflare wrote: did you even read koshi scum a few games ago? he literally does the exact same thing here when I pushed him: 1. post afk excuse 2. return to insult holyflare 3. afk it's like reading a carbon copy of the same game ffs Koshi last scum game was with you as scum no with me speaking fucking Russian blah. Anyway, this describes the town koshi some games to though, though I do agree its nor likely scum koshi to afk like that. | ||
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Res my few posts about his voting, read the post about how he is approaching the reads. Vote art, come join me | ||
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On August 27 2017 03:56 Skynx wrote: Probably reading others babbling about geript mafia without checking anything geript said. Unoriginal content leading to scumread. His very first post was story about me being town. If he's rescinding from that here its just bs as I didn't do much to get scumcredit in between. If his first post was bs, then its the worst entry in history. Just very wobbly in general, 15 mins between two posts. I don't see at any point Artanis having his own thoughts about anyone. Thank you for parroting me, so please vote him | ||
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Why for me explain explain my read like this art man me scum? | ||
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The artanis points are/were good I brought up. I was against the koshi lynch all day as were a multitude of other people. I am a sucker for a last will. You were wrong, now read what I wrote and at least respond to me. | ||
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So actually don't respond to me hf, just don't ignore my posts then act like I'm shit. | ||
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HF isn't scum for pushing the koshi lynch, I think he's still probably town. I think hf would of backed off of koshi would of went about the day a different way. Like I don't think hf is to blame, the people who hope on that wagon though especially the geript and ruxx slot should be looked at harder. Oats off wagon is interesting, but need to look at it more like seems just surface level as a way to avoid responsibility. I think art is probably just town for a shitru goodbye post. And his thrown together will I dont think scum would do that. I think skynx come off a bit rough as his attack on hf and strange eod should be looked at. The vote is super interesting, if we assume both are town that is. | ||
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The geript wagon had started to fall apart even before I really started the push on you art. Like rayn jumped off to rux (not a bad vote probably), and then onto you with me and ls. So I don't think geript was an actual option near eod. Though it is super interesting If the geript slot is scum how certain people cared so little around eod when he got safe. | ||
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No real time to do anything between | ||
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On August 27 2017 06:04 Oatsmaster wrote: You couldve voted instead of making that post. I guess I could have? But I had 0 time to parse any of the will. I do have a soft spot for people who make wills. And well I wasn't convinced he wasn't scum until after eod anyway and I saw his good by post and whatever. The will is pretty crappy though. | ||
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On August 27 2017 06:13 LightningStrike wrote: Seeing how close EoD was there might be a scum on the off wagons and the rest of the team probably split up there votes I wonder why Vivax didn't come back at all EoD wasting his vote on Skynx. I know rayn claimed parity cop earlier so Vivax could be mafia given how EoD played out.. Why would mafia care with such a close wagon I it was t v t? Sure off votes kook bad but what about the reasoning on wagon? | ||
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Nope as shitty of a reason as I is, I think art really did think he was lynched and confirmed himself town there. Its probably not enough for dorever, by his postings tonight have been 10x better than day. | ||
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Like say n1 parity cop checked vivax and we lynched vivax d2. The cop would 100% know the next persons alignment just based on perfect information | ||
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But reactions say Look at geript slot Skynx slot Ruxxar | ||
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On August 27 2017 06:32 Oatsmaster wrote: Ruxxar didnt even post since 6 hours ago Ok? His reasoning on his vote was bad, had no real insight into the thread going on. And honestly if you had played with rux before you would understand what I mean by activity, it's like astronomical bad do him. But hes never rolled scum (i think) and part of me wonders if this I him just trying to get by and figure thing out. | ||
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Yeah I take what I said about activity back, he had good activity in them. So nai | ||
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A few things as I've caught up. 1) Without a cc in this situation I would never lynch rayn, it makes no sense for mafia Ryan to be pushing for a 1 v 1 I'm this situation. He has fake claimed as both alignments and his play I think has been towny. 2) I've never seen art roll over as town a no of martyrdom as scum though, so many my original points weren't bad and I over reacted to his goodbye and list post. I'll think on that for a bit longer. 3) I still am pretty sure that ls is still town. His *trap* was something maybe I could see him do as town, but not as scum especially with art already doing the same thing Well there is one case where I think la as scum would do that, but I think his other things in game have been in his ten meta. Also, just tin fouling a bit. So if art is mafia (which looks likely) what is the play here to help his team? My conjecture is that the geript/onegu slot is more important than the art slot and they need that slot alive so the next day they can push a why is rayn still alive and one of them cc him. Totally just in my he's but I makes sense, how long will e ignore the onegu slot that still refuses. Also if art is scum makes the vote yesterday really interesting. | ||
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On August 28 2017 23:11 Holyflare wrote: If rayn is a town jailkeeper he's going to assume he's playing well and will get shot. To stop mafia shooting him then he claims a role that will now be protected. Mafia now have to shoot someone else (me likely) now he has a chance to protect that person. It's a poor play really but there are town explanations. I think his play has been markedly different from last game too. It's only a poor play if rayn gets cc or they shoot cop n1. So if they were blue reading vivax it would of been beneficial to shoot elsewhere so they don't out rayn. Otherwise as town it's a fine wifom play that some on else I know makes all the time. | ||
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So yeah it's a bad argument. | ||
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On August 28 2017 23:36 ruXxar wrote: You can find examples of almost anything. How is that even supposed to be a counter argument... Do you disagree that Rayn and HF are the best NKs for scum? Generally speaking yes. But that's not to say they should always be shot d1, or even happen often. Probably if neither are dead d2 Or 3 its time to worry today the argument isn't that great. | ||
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On August 28 2017 23:45 LightningStrike wrote: Wait a second Rayn I must of misread one of your post but did you actually claim jailkeeper? Are you cc him? Kind of feels like you are ls | ||
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Not the least is this argument itself. | ||
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Like it's always better to go 1 for one here. | ||
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Unless you have someone who cc run you don't lynch rayn. Aside from the parity claim his play is towny and makes sense for town rayn. | ||
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I will not lynch run or consider it until someone claims jk against him. I think your argument towards hf and Ryan is flawed and for not take into account really any information besides your personal biases. And personally I think both are town. | ||
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Then being alive die not make them scum and you can point to other games for this. Fake claims/people pretending to be roles happens all the time, i think what rayn did was not the best move but anyone who knows how parity works would never cc him d1. Everyone has been in the thread no one has cc rayn, he should be believed unless someone counters him. And every game you think rayn and hf are scum (generally). Besides that fact you are biased because you have come to your conclusions and refuse to see any side but what you think is correct. | ||
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Meh, not sure what rux is doing here. Art. Is probably the lynch but what if we do onegu/geript today before we he to the mylo point (if we do). I still think that slot is scum here. | ||
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Though just means mafia were in the lazier people on the wagons or not on wagons at all. I wish I had a gun right now to shoot onegu. | ||
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On August 30 2017 02:08 Holyflare wrote: Time is running out ruxxar. You claim today or never. After today I'm just lynch whoever tries to counter rayn I think. | ||
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On August 30 2017 05:14 Tumblewood wrote: i could believe a geript/damdred/x team. it makes sense if geript is scum for damdred to start another wagon on art, which drew everyone off the geript wagon. it just seems off that scum would put all their eggs in one basket in a tvt run-off This is factually incorrect what happened eod. Geript wagon was dead be for I started my push, and koshi still apparently had 5 votes... | ||
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But he has fallen off a lot in this instance without a lot of reads that are solid it feels. Like I don't think I would lynch him at all tommorow over geript slot. | ||
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On August 30 2017 23:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: So you think it was a play and not that LS came up with something afterwards? I'm not sure, I put it in stars because Idk. Like the play has little Tim to develop and you have another person with a vas on them and they are hot in themselves as well. I don't see what he would accomplish with everything else happens in thread. | ||
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On August 31 2017 00:10 LightningStrike wrote: reported you to tl mods have fun ^_^ Idk why you did this ls, rayn didn't even say anything mean | ||
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Like who in game knows how vivax plays blue? A few people not many. It might be who he was starting to scum read, I am unsure in that regard. Maybe it will enlighten us with the next kill but idk. | ||
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Yes it is, I'm having a hard time trying to get what I think about it across. I think vivax was a medic dodge since you were claiming parity and hf was an equal medic target at that point. But what bothers me is that vivax was still under a bit of scrutiny in thread ( I was town read in him though). But he was attacking ruxx and oats I think? I need to make sure again, but I think it points toward a world where a geript/oats/ one of skynx/ruxx is a possibility. Its horrible reasoning I dont think scum ls does this Nov in thread necessarily right now? Just shitty of him though | ||
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The simplest solution is he's the jk. If a jk does during the night and it's not run I will lynch him though. | ||
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On August 31 2017 00:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes it does, unless it was a blue snipe. But you're somehow trying to make it sound Ruxxar makes any sense when he doesn't. I dont think that's what I meant to do, | ||
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But it's truthful, you claim parity was a borderline bad play, if it would of been on a newer plays instead of vivax would of been a uch worse situation I'm so the case I think your the jk and just want rux to talk an I something else. | ||
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On August 31 2017 00:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am sorry i don't know what this means then. The idea rux has the kill seems funny is correct, the conckusion he draws of rayn being scum and hf being scumisnt xorrect. | ||
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So come back and talk to me. I think we lynch geript then talk about the skynx/oats/rux contingent. | ||
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That one of the people vivax was pressuring was scum, or they blue read him Vivax has good reads though so I'm hoping one. | ||
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On August 31 2017 01:26 ruXxar wrote: What if I told you that vivax was the strongest player in the game that wasnt scum. That's kind of rude, but I understand I haven't been very good lately cause of rl. | ||
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On August 31 2017 06:25 Oatsmaster wrote: He came in after the nightkill and was just commenting on the thread and not looking at all like he cares who is mafia. Basically amused bystander. He's also been super passive and hasn't done anything to push anybody this entire game. Why do you like him? I actually do not have much of a thought of tw. I think he just exists right now, by not as bad as onegu in that category. | ||
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On September 01 2017 00:29 Oatsmaster wrote: I really really really don't want to lynch afk on lylo But hes not really afk, he keeps saying he is going to do things and hes readig but all he does is put votes and never any thoughts. | ||
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And well rayn almost voted koshi at points to so i dont think thats against hf. And im not sure how you have me as scum there, you hold hf pushing koshi and art but dont use the same judging atick on me when i pushed art hard d1. Which im not aure what the mafia motivation is to oush t v t in thatbsituation meh. Anyway, your oats read i dont thin your right as oats doesnt want to lynch the geriot slot atm? | ||
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And honestly him ignoring your filter was worse than forgetting ruxx tbh | ||
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And onegu took you from town to scum pool anyway so there is that to. I think onegu list is bad but not for these reasons hf at all. | ||
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Doesnt make sense from rux | ||
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Dod you skip those pages? | ||
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On September 01 2017 22:56 Skynx wrote: Let's kill Oats, he doesn't even sr HF but votes on him. Almost everyone is sr'ing oats but no votes on him, classic scum behavior. What did you think of onegu post skynx? Also i think you ignkred my post to yiu, and maybe id vote for oats idk yet. | ||
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And rayn wouldnt of been after rux today just onegu | ||
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Firstly its dissapointing that you cant choose between us hf. I mighgt struggle with my thoughts sometimes but thats oretry crappy reason to drop me so fast. Also whats the point of goif against you d1 on a koshi lynch and try to oush what i think as scum? (Yes i am townreading hf still). I have Onegu as my clear scum read currently his reads do not make s ton of sense, and geript himself was off of his normal game even barring the emotional distress. One of oats/tw they are never both mafia , and you also forgot to talk about tw hf. I think one of tgese two are scum, im sort of leaning oats atm for what skynx pointed out first it doeant maje a lot of sense for him to abandon his read for no real reason onto you. The third scum is sort of a mystery to me. LS has dropped ofd the face if the earth and im worried hes teixked me. Skynx is probably just town though hia thought process on his vkte reads towny. Idk about rux i guess maybe? He does make sebse with a onegu and oats team, but ls does .arginalky as well. Especially with how oats approached ls he kind of fits vetter with onegu and oats atm. | ||
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Ends up in that ignore category every day even though he keeos wanting to call hin scum and throws shade at him all the time. Always finds someone better to target for the day and after rayn dies doesnt care about pressuring ls at all instead goes for tw. He sort of does the same thing with the geriot slot instead resting on the dont lynch afk in mylo. Which in onegu case i think would lose us the game. | ||
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On September 02 2017 00:06 Holyflare wrote: and that's not what skynx pointed out at all? that's what I pointed out and skynx agreed with Eh, i missed that postbof yours. Embarassing but whops. Still a good point just lessened for both of you. | ||
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Onegu, so talk to me more about your ls read? You dont think any of this could be his town game at all? | ||
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I vited no kynch atm but id sheep someone with a convincing case atm. | ||
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On September 02 2017 04:25 Skynx wrote: Hi Damdred Hello my turkish friend | ||
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Always have loved them | ||
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Wel i could but beig responsible... | ||
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But ehhh ill think about it. What do you think of hf case ls? | ||
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On September 04 2017 06:13 LightningStrike wrote: Damdred you didn't tell me your thoughts when you were here what did yo uthink of HF's case Damdred? Sorry LS, I think HF case is good actually, I think it shows him thinking about the game in a way I don't necessarily think he would as scum. In the morning i'll have a more level headed and large reads whats going on but for now i'm going back to bed realy tired. | ||
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On September 04 2017 23:37 ruXxar wrote: I was projecting possible team combinations. I understand that, but ignoring hf for a moment i actually want to win here. so if yoi could tell me what you see as your last two scum, are they all on you? Whats going on? | ||
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And thats poor...reason to read me scum tbh. But anyway I actually think tw with hiw he reacted to the rux wagon onegu still hasnt done anything besides a shitty list. The third i think is probabky between hf and rux still. meh, the way oats went about today sucks but if hes scum he ahowed a lot of face atm. idk everyone acting scummy slightly today. but thebfirst three are most likely atm. | ||
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And just like your koshi scum read early did you by chance even look at previous games to see if it is a scum tell or not? And btw while it might be truebi have gotten more afk as the game went along due to irl, i did counter wagon the koshi lynch, and i had decisive action as you would say even if he was town. | ||
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i sort of get scum vibes from his vote movement thisbphase. | ||
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would you be willing to help me lynch tw today and see what mafia does with hf/ruxx or anyone else. | ||
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On September 05 2017 03:53 Skynx wrote: I wouldn't say that, rather you grouped bunch of people jumping off geript who all scumreaded art. So you are playing semantics to not admit i did sometging against your statement. | ||
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I think another day of a mafia shot plus lynching whoni think is mafia in tw woild be beneficial. | ||
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And honestly hf I just do not know if I trust you this late in the game meh. Call it what you will but mafia killing you would make me auto kynch ruxxar because i am bad. | ||
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On September 05 2017 04:01 Oatsmaster wrote: DUDE WHAT THE FUCK MAN. Why cant mafia just no shoot all the way? idk i guess it could be a never ending game? | ||
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On September 05 2017 04:31 Holyflare wrote:  | ||
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IDK I love playing scum, but man it was a chore. | ||
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It also gave us a reason to push art and cause him to kinda flip a bit, if art just doesnt give up d2 start the game is 10x harder. I wanted to buddy rayn (which i love you), rux going off on a tin foil theory was bad for town. Good for hf though, I love playing with rux because he looks at things so differently.but he gets stuck. If he could just get over getting stuck hebwould legit be one of the best mafia players on site. Last day i sort of wanted to be connected to rux to help hf scum read but itbwasnt necessary for it. | ||
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On September 05 2017 04:52 Holyflare wrote: If ruxxar made his argument 1-2 cycles later Instead of shitting up the thread day 2 after a parity cop died then he'd have so much more pushing power. I think this is true, in that situation the real pr always cc rayn anyway, and it distracts town while giving mafia safe things to tall about. And rayn always dies without rux being discredited (which he had good reads all game almost). Rux would of went toe to toe with hf with a real opportunity to win imo, and for the record rux did not play badly he just let paranoia gwt the best of him one cycle to soon. | ||
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On September 05 2017 05:08 Skynx wrote: There is no counter to HF, you need another big name to tell him he's dead wrong and should be ignored. I'm fine identifying the game now i need to learn how to convince rest of the town. How do i do that? 1) Be towny, and convince everyone you are town. Once you get stwp one done you need to convince everyone about one person at a time. 2) Focus on one person, figure out why they are scum and come up with a simplified case. If you cant explain why that person is scum within say a paragraph you need to re evaluate. 3) Once you have step three done youbpost that case with quotes and a tldr blurb why they are scum and push that thing. post it and dont let people forget it, quote yourself and go ok that is ikportant comment on it. If they try to marginalize or ignore dont stop push that case until everyone has taken a stanceYell if you have to, doesnt matter jsut get it done. | ||
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mafia is more fun that way | ||
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