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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 25 2017 23:22 GMT
#861
On August 26 2017 08:22 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2017 08:18 Holyflare wrote:
are you mafia vivax?

at what point did people start saying this anyway

2014
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
August 25 2017 23:23 GMT
#862
On August 26 2017 08:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2017 08:22 Tumblewood wrote:
On August 26 2017 08:18 Holyflare wrote:
are you mafia vivax?

at what point did people start saying this anyway

2014

curses
good times for all
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
August 25 2017 23:24 GMT
#863
Not really sure what Vivax is trying to push with TW here.
He said this about TW earlier
On August 26 2017 05:41 Vivax wrote:


Oats list is all backwards, props and townie points to TW for noticing.

My list had VIvax/TW/Art/LS so the only 2 people that are not TW and Vivax are LS and Art, none of which either of them had much to say about anyway. other than a really soft townread by Vivax.
So its outta place.

Vivax also says that ruxxar has been posting BS but when he tries to explain it,
On August 26 2017 05:57 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2017 00:29 ruXxar wrote:
Its more interesting that Koshi seems to assume that there is some giant town push about to go down on skynx and he has to stand against us to defend him.


This is the only good post I could accept him scumreading Koshi for, BUT

, it doesn't really make sense when Ruxxar starts out the game by top towning skynx anyway.

What's wrong with Koshi trying to defend a mutual townread?


Instead we get:

Ruxxar getting it wrong on the gameplan thing completely missing that it's a NAI thing as pointed out by three people who are most likely not mafia (imo), and he has no read on anyway. That'd be me, TW, LS.

Calling Koshi's 8 page filter which imo looks rather extensive "superficial".

Complaining that Koshi scumreads afkers/low hanging fruit before even having an own read on those. This is also a NAI reason even if Koshi did that.

When Koshi posts another different list, Ruxxar doesn't reeval, instead he calls the entire wagon on Koshi omgus. Even if it's a joke, it's lazy and I'd expect him to try to find something wrong with the new reads, not just making a joke and lazily remain parked on Koshil.

It just comes off as he is pointing out that ruxxar is bad rather than ruxxar is intentionally posting bullshit.
No gg, No skill.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21965 Posts
August 25 2017 23:25 GMT
#864
On August 26 2017 08:16 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2017 08:11 Vivax wrote:
On August 26 2017 08:02 Tumblewood wrote:
On August 26 2017 07:56 Vivax wrote:
On August 26 2017 07:50 Tumblewood wrote:
On August 26 2017 07:33 ruXxar wrote:
On August 26 2017 07:32 Tumblewood wrote:
On August 26 2017 07:30 ruXxar wrote:
On August 26 2017 07:29 Tumblewood wrote:
On August 26 2017 07:28 Oatsmaster wrote:
TW doesnt find mafia, he finds town until there are 3 people and then he calls them all mafia.

precisely


No. That smiley face aint good enough.
Give me some real thoughts on where your head is at.

the problem is apparently all of my thoughts are fake thoughts


Says who?

Dont mind those fuckers..

Just lay your thoughts out there.. and the truth will come to bear.

i like vivax post 160, hf post 404, skynx post 461, and your post 527. (i forgot what those posts were, but i wrote them down so they must be important somehow). i also liked the post by you i quoted and said townie
damdred is hedging like i would expect him to as town. that said i don't think i've ever played with scum!damdred. speaking of which, where is damdred?
ls is town puppy. i think i am mostly in agreement with thread sentiment here so i won't spend to long explaining it. and now that i think about it i haven't played with scum!ls either. whatever
rayn claimed parity cop and i have no reason yet to distrust it
artanis is making a lot of unimportant posts. not irrelevant, but no clear direction.
oats annoys me, because he is playing like the site meta is 2014, but the year is 2017 and i am a very newfangled player. his posting seems like i would expect from someone who has been gone for a long time, and i am not used to reading that. rayn says he is town so i will sheep rayn for now
hf and geript are super boring. geript is at least not pushing straight bullshit like last game, so if that trend continues he may slide into the town category. he would also have to post about something other than koshi, rayn, and me.
your comeback was pretty lame but your recent posting has good tone. and i like making tone reads because they are easy
skynx showed a good progression on the koshi thing early, but he cannot ride that forever and is notably not here.
vivax had a really good post so i wrote him off for a while, and then when i forgot why, he had another really good post so i'm writing him off again. if he continues to play well or at least decently i will not lynch him this game.
koshi's reads line up with mine and he is staying away from the path of least resistance, although there is a chance he is pocketing me. i'm not sure pocketing is an actual strategy anyone uses though.

i think that's everyone


Can you explain:

- How skynx read progression on Koshi was good? Felt more like he got pushed into abandoning his original reasoning for all the pressure he got.

- Do you think Koshi should only be read for his reads.

Also 2014 meta best meta.

- because initially when people doubted him he doubled down instead of giving up immediately (at something i think scum would, at that point, realize is not going to happen), and then when he checked a town game himself he realized he was wrong. but it did very much seem like he thought he had a kickass meta read when he doubled down.

- ... i guess. my current tell on him is "pushes lynchbait for bullshit reasons".

2014 was a time when players lynched each other for being bad instead of being scum. i can see why vets like it.


Ad1:

Waitwait.

On August 25 2017 05:08 Tumblewood wrote:
On August 25 2017 05:07 Skynx wrote:
On August 29 2016 06:21 Koshi wrote:
I will be playing superslow. Still banking all that mad respect from last game.

(Starwars: rogue one)
On October 04 2016 06:03 Koshi wrote:
Not sure if I have a plan this game. Not hard townreading mafia somehow maybe.

(Murder on Cruise)
On August 16 2016 08:32 Koshi wrote:
Second. Confirmed town.

Wanted to play this game really really slow. But I got a pretty cool role so maybe not.

(purge)

We might be on a pattern here actually

have you looked at a single town game


When he doubled down, the first thing you asked is if he looked at town games.

How do you think now that the doubling down was townie?

Ad2:
Koshi's latest reads:
Mafia
Geript
ruXxar
HF


Lynch bait?

1. i think before my "have you read any of his town games" post there were a few people just saying it was a bad read. like when i just responded with "lmao".
2. no, i don't think those players are lynchbait, which is why i don't think koshi is mafia.


Alright.

What's your read on HF atm?
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 25 2017 23:25 GMT
#865
TW i dont think youre mafia but like... if you have something to say, please say it. Dont just hide behind nasty comments.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 25 2017 23:27 GMT
#866
now it is sleepy time.
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
August 25 2017 23:29 GMT
#867
On August 26 2017 08:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
TW i dont think youre mafia but like... if you have something to say, please say it. Dont just hide behind nasty comments.

i try to avoid being nasty whenever possible, and have hopefully not made any nasty comments this game. i got most of the little things i was thinking but never said out in that one big reads post. so ... already on it?
good times for all
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 25 2017 23:29 GMT
#868
On August 26 2017 06:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Skynx, Artanis, geript.

Final answer.

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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
August 25 2017 23:31 GMT
#869
On August 26 2017 08:25 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2017 08:16 Tumblewood wrote:
On August 26 2017 08:11 Vivax wrote:
On August 26 2017 08:02 Tumblewood wrote:
On August 26 2017 07:56 Vivax wrote:
On August 26 2017 07:50 Tumblewood wrote:
On August 26 2017 07:33 ruXxar wrote:
On August 26 2017 07:32 Tumblewood wrote:
On August 26 2017 07:30 ruXxar wrote:
On August 26 2017 07:29 Tumblewood wrote:
[quote]
precisely


No. That smiley face aint good enough.
Give me some real thoughts on where your head is at.

the problem is apparently all of my thoughts are fake thoughts


Says who?

Dont mind those fuckers..

Just lay your thoughts out there.. and the truth will come to bear.

i like vivax post 160, hf post 404, skynx post 461, and your post 527. (i forgot what those posts were, but i wrote them down so they must be important somehow). i also liked the post by you i quoted and said townie
damdred is hedging like i would expect him to as town. that said i don't think i've ever played with scum!damdred. speaking of which, where is damdred?
ls is town puppy. i think i am mostly in agreement with thread sentiment here so i won't spend to long explaining it. and now that i think about it i haven't played with scum!ls either. whatever
rayn claimed parity cop and i have no reason yet to distrust it
artanis is making a lot of unimportant posts. not irrelevant, but no clear direction.
oats annoys me, because he is playing like the site meta is 2014, but the year is 2017 and i am a very newfangled player. his posting seems like i would expect from someone who has been gone for a long time, and i am not used to reading that. rayn says he is town so i will sheep rayn for now
hf and geript are super boring. geript is at least not pushing straight bullshit like last game, so if that trend continues he may slide into the town category. he would also have to post about something other than koshi, rayn, and me.
your comeback was pretty lame but your recent posting has good tone. and i like making tone reads because they are easy
skynx showed a good progression on the koshi thing early, but he cannot ride that forever and is notably not here.
vivax had a really good post so i wrote him off for a while, and then when i forgot why, he had another really good post so i'm writing him off again. if he continues to play well or at least decently i will not lynch him this game.
koshi's reads line up with mine and he is staying away from the path of least resistance, although there is a chance he is pocketing me. i'm not sure pocketing is an actual strategy anyone uses though.

i think that's everyone


Can you explain:

- How skynx read progression on Koshi was good? Felt more like he got pushed into abandoning his original reasoning for all the pressure he got.

- Do you think Koshi should only be read for his reads.

Also 2014 meta best meta.

- because initially when people doubted him he doubled down instead of giving up immediately (at something i think scum would, at that point, realize is not going to happen), and then when he checked a town game himself he realized he was wrong. but it did very much seem like he thought he had a kickass meta read when he doubled down.

- ... i guess. my current tell on him is "pushes lynchbait for bullshit reasons".

2014 was a time when players lynched each other for being bad instead of being scum. i can see why vets like it.


Ad1:

Waitwait.

On August 25 2017 05:08 Tumblewood wrote:
On August 25 2017 05:07 Skynx wrote:
On August 29 2016 06:21 Koshi wrote:
I will be playing superslow. Still banking all that mad respect from last game.

(Starwars: rogue one)
On October 04 2016 06:03 Koshi wrote:
Not sure if I have a plan this game. Not hard townreading mafia somehow maybe.

(Murder on Cruise)
On August 16 2016 08:32 Koshi wrote:
Second. Confirmed town.

Wanted to play this game really really slow. But I got a pretty cool role so maybe not.

(purge)

We might be on a pattern here actually

have you looked at a single town game


When he doubled down, the first thing you asked is if he looked at town games.

How do you think now that the doubling down was townie?

Ad2:
Koshi's latest reads:
Mafia
Geript
ruXxar
HF


Lynch bait?

1. i think before my "have you read any of his town games" post there were a few people just saying it was a bad read. like when i just responded with "lmao".
2. no, i don't think those players are lynchbait, which is why i don't think koshi is mafia.


Alright.

What's your read on HF atm?

nebulous. reading hf's filter makes me sad because there are so many words in there and i don't care about any of them. but i need to care about some of them or else i will not figure out whether he is town or mafia. PoE says he is mafia but i don't know why.
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
August 25 2017 23:31 GMT
#870
gtg. be back in maybe 2 hours
good times for all
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 25 2017 23:36 GMT
#871
Tumblewood is not mafia btw.
Now srsly gn.
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Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
August 25 2017 23:36 GMT
#872
On August 26 2017 08:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Tumblewood is not mafia btw.
Now srsly gn.

ehhhhhhhh
No gg, No skill.
AMG
Profile Joined March 2013
Australia298 Posts
August 26 2017 02:08 GMT
#873
Vote Count

  • Tumblewood (1) - Koshi, Oatsmaster
  • Holyflare (0) - Vivax
  • Skynx (2) - Holyflare, Vivax, raynpelikoneet
  • Koshi (3) - geript, Holyflare, ruXxar
  • geript (2) - Koshi, Skynx
  • Artanis[Xp] (0) - Holyflare

Non-voters (4): LightningStrike, Damdred, Tumblewood, Artanis[Xp]


Currently, Koshi is set to be lynched.

Deadline is in (at Saturday, Aug 26 7:30pm GMT (GMT+00:00)).


Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
August 26 2017 03:52 GMT
#874
So does anyone else agree with me on Vivax?
No gg, No skill.
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14276 Posts
August 26 2017 04:57 GMT
#875
Read the thread since I got home from taking care of college stuff. HF and Rayn thinks Koshi is mafia. ruxxar did answer my question and Damdred's question indirectly. People thinking skynx is scum still. I wondering if I wrong on any of my townreads I had earlier.
@Oats You probably interpreting wrong about the last part of that 2nd post. It doesn't feel like he was calling him bad instead of scum to me at least.
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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21965 Posts
August 26 2017 05:18 GMT
#876
On August 26 2017 13:57 LightningStrike wrote:
Read the thread since I got home from taking care of college stuff. HF and Rayn thinks Koshi is mafia. ruxxar did answer my question and Damdred's question indirectly. People thinking skynx is scum still. I wondering if I wrong on any of my townreads I had earlier.
@Oats You probably interpreting wrong about the last part of that 2nd post. It doesn't feel like he was calling him bad instead of scum to me at least.


Yo, mornin.

Do you have any read on skynx? Cause it doesn't result to me.

If possible, put it in relation to Koshi please cause they are the current wagons atm.

@ HF

Can you do a Koshi vs Skynx thingy? Cause it isn't clear who you're feeling is stronger mafia and it looks like it's Koshi although you said you were the guy who started the skynx wagon (while not even voting for him atm).
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21965 Posts
August 26 2017 05:39 GMT
#877
I'm feeling like TRing skynx on a whim tbh.

I've been thinking a bit about his whole Koshi approach at the start of the game. am not so sure any more that it is a scummy way of starting the game. Sloppy, yes. But maybe also a genuine way of trying to apply meta.

So yea, I'm unscumreading him cause he did that instead of just being an opinion leech.

##Unvote

Now an alternative is needed, hrm.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
August 26 2017 06:31 GMT
#878
On August 26 2017 13:57 LightningStrike wrote:
Read the thread since I got home from taking care of college stuff. HF and Rayn thinks Koshi is mafia. ruxxar did answer my question and Damdred's question indirectly. People thinking skynx is scum still. I wondering if I wrong on any of my townreads I had earlier.
@Oats You probably interpreting wrong about the last part of that 2nd post. It doesn't feel like he was calling him bad instead of scum to me at least.

No dude, Vivax is saying that ruxx has been intentionally saying shit, but what he has shown is more accidentally bad than intentionally shit.
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
August 26 2017 06:32 GMT
#879
On August 26 2017 05:41 Vivax wrote:
I'm really paranoid of HF already. Will try to find a way to sum it all up into words at some point.

Don't like Koshi wagon.

Don't like Ruxxar's filter so far either cause he just made up a shit reason to pile up on Koshi.

Oats list is all backwards, props and townie points to TW for noticing.

On August 26 2017 05:45 Vivax wrote:
I want to murder Ruxxar instead of Skynx I think. He's getting it all wrong and just piling bs upon bs,

Forgot about this Vivax?
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
August 26 2017 06:32 GMT
#880
Bleh it just totally rubs me the wrong way that Vivax waited till now to unvote Skynx when he clearly had reservations before.
No gg, No skill.
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