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Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
August 25 2017 11:38 GMT
#401
On August 25 2017 20:33 Koshi wrote:
Nha. I can see town!Skynx make that post.
I think it is more likely Skynx is town than Artanis at this point.

Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
August 25 2017 11:40 GMT
#402
Work time. Later boys.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 25 2017 11:40 GMT
#403
On August 25 2017 20:38 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2017 20:33 Koshi wrote:
Nha. I can see town!Skynx make that post.
I think it is more likely Skynx is town than Artanis at this point.


Look at the bright side. Your last analysis was too good!

I am also getting scumread for being a total boss.
I had a good night of sleep.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
August 25 2017 11:55 GMT
#404
On August 25 2017 20:31 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2017 19:55 Holyflare wrote:
On August 25 2017 19:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On August 25 2017 18:20 Holyflare wrote:
On August 25 2017 17:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On August 25 2017 17:43 Holyflare wrote:
On August 25 2017 17:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On August 25 2017 17:37 Holyflare wrote:
You realise there was like 3 cycles of me antagonising him there though? Haven't done that yet.

I'm pretty sure you're hipster mafia. Going against the grain of every read for really weird reasoning and then bypassing the actual logic behind the scum reads though. So that's cool.

Yeah and he just came off that game like one or two days ago and he's already fine. I don't think he would be if he rolled scum two games running.

You're also wrong but that's ok. Have a feeling that it's going to be one of those cases where people scumread me for reasons that have been wrong many times in the past, I get upset and people townread me for being upset and end up not getting lynched again.



Like Skynx as well. Not for the content necessarily, but he put himself out there and even looked at a few other games of Koshi. Dno much about Skynx' mafia play and may be projecting how lazy I'd play as mafia but a cursory look of his last two scumgames suggests he doesn't really go for hard lynches. Koshi as town is pretty hard to lynch. Hedging on it though given how quickly he backtracked.


I mean this specifically. It just says I don't read any of the content but I'll compare him to how I think I'd feel as mafia but then skim one or two games and make a conclusion but really nvm i retract my conclusion just because?

None of it even contains any content. You don't look at any of the posts I've made about him and you just don't seem to care. Just looks like you're massively leaving your options open.

There's just nothing that swings me one way or the other, particularly. I have read your posts, and they're ok and balance out the feeling that I don't think Skynx would be so bold to go after Koshi immediately, ergo the hedging. I can also see myself going into confirmation bias mode and checking just a few scumgames to see if someone's done what I think he might've when it feels scummy. If I can see myself (and probably have done myself) doing it as town, why would it make Skynx mafia?

Best point you made was regarding still looking at the situation with Koshi as mafia despite now seeing his posts as NAI, which can be explained from a town perspective as stubbornness, just not the most likely.


There's some crazy cognitive dissonance in this post. You're saying that skynx could just be a tunneled townie but then when you elaborated earlier it was that you're hedging because of how quickly he rescinded it. But you're still saying he's stubborn townie?

So which is it? Is he townie for being tunnelled but then not townie for not being tunnelled?

Honestly the fact he rescinded that read so quickly after a bit of pressure was good. But the points I've made don't look like he's stubborn townie at all. Why would he be stubborn townie over a read he no longer believes at all???

Fair point. What I guess I'm saying is that Skynx changed his mind quickly because he was proven wrong, but it's clear that there's a lingering suspicion (the stubbornness) which makes him still analyze the situation from a Koshi-is-mafia perspective.



I don't think that's a logical trail of thought and I have no idea why koshi agrees with it (probably cos he's mafia) Have you even read his progression? It's quoting 3 posts that says he does something and then literally 0 posts in between he says that's wrong.

Why is there lingering suspicion about koshi being mafia (based on his entrances) and making conclusions on that??? What is there to still be lingering about when he's proven himself wrong??

Because the reason he's saying he scumreads Koshi isn't the actual reason he was, just the one he formulated. I'm saying it's likely a gut read, presuming he's town.


Like this is quintessential bull shittery. "oh he said he was mafia but that's not reallllyyyy why he thought he was mafia."

.................

Keep stretching the narrative dude. A+
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 25 2017 12:01 GMT
#405
Holyflare; i dont think "Skynx and artanis are not mafia together" is necessarily true. I will explain this tonight since it needs quoting.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 25 2017 12:16 GMT
#406
Also, here is my problem wirh Vivax this game. Vivax makes townie looking posts, i agree to that. But he never calls anyone anything from the arguments he choosea to interact to.

Read his posts. He has talked in lengths on skynx and koshi. Can you tell what's his conclusion on their alignment?
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 25 2017 12:19 GMT
#407
Meh that was badly explained. I think vivax lacks his normal conf bias in how certain he is about a read.
table for two on a tv tray
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
August 25 2017 13:15 GMT
#408
Just woke up:
On August 25 2017 19:02 Koshi wrote:
Oatsmaster, Ruxxar, Geript

I think I am lynching into this. If town wants Skynx it will be without my support.

I rather look bigger targets than lurkers honestly because at best it's a 50-50 and at worst they are town that couldn't do anything.
Also lex did some posting although it was kinda okay but want more and better stuff from him.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
August 25 2017 13:22 GMT
#409
@Geript, while I appreciate your need to explain your koshi scum read elaborately. Please do not avoid my questions, What is your read on hf?

@LS was there a post of arts you specifically did not like?
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
August 25 2017 13:25 GMT
#410
On August 25 2017 22:22 Damdred wrote:
@Geript, while I appreciate your need to explain your koshi scum read elaborately. Please do not avoid my questions, What is your read on hf?

@LS was there a post of arts you specifically did not like?

No it just seems a little bit lackluster from what I remembered from him. Could be because I always thought he was a good player. Could be a bit early that why I a bit hesitant about commiting to a read on him.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
August 25 2017 13:40 GMT
#411
On August 25 2017 21:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Meh that was badly explained. I think vivax lacks his normal conf bias in how certain he is about a read.


I think I disagree with this post and the previous one.

I think vivax is pretty clear where he stands on skynx and that is mafia leaning-mafia read currently.

And if you look at his filter I think it does read a bit like building conf bias, he starts with a weaker read of his on skynx. He builds on that with another example strengthening where the read is going and finally to the longer post it seems like it is pretty solid.

Is it probably weaker than most vivax reads? I don't necessarily think so, it was pretty early and it looks like vivax is reading and interacting with the game.

So nah I don't agree with you rayn.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
August 25 2017 13:41 GMT
#412
On August 25 2017 22:25 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2017 22:22 Damdred wrote:
@Geript, while I appreciate your need to explain your koshi scum read elaborately. Please do not avoid my questions, What is your read on hf?

@LS was there a post of arts you specifically did not like?

No it just seems a little bit lackluster from what I remembered from him. Could be because I always thought he was a good player. Could be a bit early that why I a bit hesitant about commiting to a read on him.


Help me la who scum?
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
August 25 2017 13:46 GMT
#413
I don't understand much from geripts huge posts, she sr's Koshi but the list of reasons i can't make sense of them.
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
August 25 2017 13:49 GMT
#414
On August 25 2017 22:41 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2017 22:25 LightningStrike wrote:
On August 25 2017 22:22 Damdred wrote:
@Geript, while I appreciate your need to explain your koshi scum read elaborately. Please do not avoid my questions, What is your read on hf?

@LS was there a post of arts you specifically did not like?

No it just seems a little bit lackluster from what I remembered from him. Could be because I always thought he was a good player. Could be a bit early that why I a bit hesitant about commiting to a read on him.


Help me la who scum?

If I had a gun to my head right now maybe geript? His huge wall of text was just a bunch of words with little actual content and his fight with koshi seems kinda forced?
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
August 25 2017 13:52 GMT
#415
On August 25 2017 06:05 Skynx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2017 06:03 Vivax wrote:
This tough guy attitude from Skynx could also make him mafia.

Skynx if you feel that rayn was ganging up on you along with others, why don't you suspect him or others to be mafia?=

Cuz it looks like he's trying to get reads? Why is that mafia indicative?

Why is tough guy attitude mafia indicative?

@Vivax
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
August 25 2017 13:53 GMT
#416
On August 25 2017 22:49 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2017 22:41 Damdred wrote:
On August 25 2017 22:25 LightningStrike wrote:
On August 25 2017 22:22 Damdred wrote:
@Geript, while I appreciate your need to explain your koshi scum read elaborately. Please do not avoid my questions, What is your read on hf?

@LS was there a post of arts you specifically did not like?

No it just seems a little bit lackluster from what I remembered from him. Could be because I always thought he was a good player. Could be a bit early that why I a bit hesitant about commiting to a read on him.


Help me la who scum?

If I had a gun to my head right now maybe geript? His huge wall of text was just a bunch of words with little actual content and his fight with koshi seems kinda forced?


Does it seemed forced both ways or just geript towards koshi?
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 25 2017 13:54 GMT
#417
On August 25 2017 22:40 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2017 21:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Meh that was badly explained. I think vivax lacks his normal conf bias in how certain he is about a read.


I think I disagree with this post and the previous one.

I think vivax is pretty clear where he stands on skynx and that is mafia leaning-mafia read currently.

And if you look at his filter I think it does read a bit like building conf bias, he starts with a weaker read of his on skynx. He builds on that with another example strengthening where the read is going and finally to the longer post it seems like it is pretty solid.

Is it probably weaker than most vivax reads? I don't necessarily think so, it was pretty early and it looks like vivax is reading and interacting with the game.

So nah I don't agree with you rayn.

This must hurt rayn.
I had a good night of sleep.
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
August 25 2017 13:58 GMT
#418
Damdred, you have any other towns beside rayn and LS?
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 25 2017 14:00 GMT
#419
On August 25 2017 22:15 LightningStrike wrote:
Just woke up:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2017 19:02 Koshi wrote:
Oatsmaster, Ruxxar, Geript

I think I am lynching into this. If town wants Skynx it will be without my support.

I rather look bigger targets than lurkers honestly because at best it's a 50-50 and at worst they are town that couldn't do anything.
Also lex did some posting although it was kinda okay but want more and better stuff from him.

50/50 is better than the odd I am getting from others. I agree Oats shouldn't be lynched though. But Ruxxar came in and did nothing. His excuse + post also smelled like a lie.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 25 2017 14:03 GMT
#420
Anyway LS. If you want bigger targets. Which are they? Xcept geript?
I had a good night of sleep.
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