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sup. this appears to not be obs qt. instructions unclear. dick got stuck in mixer.
i was semi-ish following the game a bit. some specific filters i should look at asapish, or is it cool if i go over shit again tomorrow? dont have like real reads atm. was hoping to wait and see who'll turn out to be scum when the game ends. xD
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some random notes of shit i can remember from skimming the game a bit b4 the weekend:
copcake is all over the place, but in my head she feels more similar to the cccp game than the game where rels, cake, me where scum. thought that is ages ago.
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On August 21 2017 06:25 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2017 06:23 disformation wrote: sup. this appears to not be obs qt. instructions unclear. dick got stuck in mixer.
i was semi-ish following the game a bit. some specific filters i should look at asapish, or is it cool if i go over shit again tomorrow? dont have like real reads atm. was hoping to wait and see who'll turn out to be scum when the game ends. xD I'd like your read on Eversince. wouldnt it make more sense for me to do reads on slots that are not myself?
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slightly confused here? wasnt there talk about scum only having one kp?
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hmmm... i just did a look at the vc's.
On August 17 2017 05:33 rsoultin wrote:Day 1 Elimination Final Vote Count
raynpelikoneet (2): Conversion, Jealous, raynpelikoneet, Tumblewood, Hopeless1der Fecalfeast (5): geript, Holyflare, Conversion, Eversince, Hopeless1der Hopeless1der (5): Fecalfeast, Damdred, CopCake, Rels, Tumblewood
Not Voting (1): ritokyIn Fecalfeast was eliminated from the competition.
On August 20 2017 05:32 rsoultin wrote:Day 2 Elimination Final Vote Count
ritoky: Jealous (5): Tumblewood, Rels, CopCake, raynpelikoneet, ritoky Rels (6): Jealous, geript, holyflare, Conversion, Eversince, Hopeless1der
Not Voting (0):In Rels was eliminated from the competition.
both were really close with a lynched town. will read jealous and hopeless filters when i get the time.
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ah yeah remember the cool pictures from jealous's filter.  those were fun. not necessarily liking the rest of his filter. fairly wishy washy. the huge post on hf's gun claim. latest reads are really outdated and had a lot of nulls. though no time to play this weekend. there were some posts towards the end of his filter where he seemed displeased with the judges. didn't feel fake.
overall his filter had like a super motivated start and then both commitment and quality start to fall off and that has me super worried. kinda hesitant cause of the pics, but the later pages of his filter have me leaning scum on him.
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On August 21 2017 07:13 ritoky wrote: jealous is town, cuz hf is town, and jealous gave up the chance at himself getting a PR day 1 to ensure that HF and not cop got it. mafia doesn't do this. the rest of his filter pretty irrelevant now that hf is 98% town. hm? what do you mean with gave up the chance? i think ppl just wanted to vote hf for that stuff?
maybe i should reread the thread instead filtering ppl.
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or do you just mean: he would have fought harder for the power up if he was scum?
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On August 21 2017 07:17 ritoky wrote: the vote was 4-4-4 jealous, hf, cop; with only an afk 1gu not voting. jealous unvoted himself and voted hf to ensure hf got the power. oh wow. yeah that is really really really unlikely to come from scum.
and was totally not in his filter. think i'll better reread the thread.
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ah thanks that also helps me understand a few more recent posts.
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@rayn: think the game with rels, copcake and me and n a scum team: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/501883-pick-your-power-intriguing also had kitaman on board.
and yes i should have double checked ritoky's 4-4-4 thing. would like him to explain/quote where he got that from.
currently in the process of rereading the game and taking notes. currently on page 38. willpost reeds when i have a better grasp on the game.
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unless im blind the votes went: 3-4-2 2-5-2 2-4-3 2-5-2 2-5-3 2-5-4 3-5-4
and then jealous made it: 2-6-4
not seeing a 4-4-4 here
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page 74. heads starting to spin. ppl i like the least so far: h1 and tw. ppl i like the most so far: hf and geript.
have a lot of notes on conv. tldr: real bad d1.1, but did get better d1.2
have to charge phone battery.
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On August 22 2017 02:36 ritoky wrote: hf why you voting conv? to protest? i think it may be bolded part here:
On August 22 2017 02:17 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2017 00:41 CopCake wrote:On August 22 2017 00:38 Holyflare wrote: And like I said. What are your REASONS that I am mafia?? I don't care one bit about you disproving why I'm town but you haven't once stated WHY I am mafia. You just keep saying I am. Your obsesion for trying to clear yourself, lying for the rayn mod cleared, overall town not winning atm. I had you in a high spot as a scumhunter. I'm not trying to clear myself, I'm trying to get reads off of other people since I'm correct and they're wrong. When on earth did I lie about rayn being mod confirmed? I genuinely believed it at the time. Town not winning? No shit. We've had 1 cycle of all likely town people that nobody wanted and another that could ALSO be all town. None of those lynches are what I wanted as a primary lynch and this is why the game is shit. I would have lynched tw day one because that clears up at least two people's alignments (yours and rayn's). I would have used that info to determine the rest of the town's motives because then hopeless wouldn't be able to fall back on that being his only read, geript too. But no, we're stuck here in this shitty endless loop where the actual lynch people wanted hasn't been up for two cycles. I don't work on imperfect information. My skill as a town player is working on lynch information and nks that we just don't have. (nks suggest mafia team that doesn't know me). None of these are actually reasons to scum read anybody, let alone only be "15% wrong". I think this read is extremely fabricated. though i was about to ask too. cause atm i am at geript > conv > copcake
but am "only" at page 92 so far. just got home. gimme some time to eat etc
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On August 22 2017 03:43 Conversion wrote: I mean my death would mean that Jealous actually has to do something besides sitting on his one read on me
idk why everyone is ignoring Hopeless, but he still hasn't answered mine and some other people's questions on his list (and him putting me on a kill list and randomly after saying I'm unconfirmed town lean)
I don't care if you all think HF dying is the best option here, I disagree with that and I transparently put out what I was going to do if I won the power you are a town lean. h1 is scum. i now understand that checking ritoky makes a lot of sense from a town pov.
page 98.
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i see my slot is very beloved and in a good standing here.
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uh okay. page 124. taking a break to figure out who to vote.
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mh. voting geript. strongest townread of the available options.
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kinda don't like voting with h1... but tw is voting conv. so that line of thought has me at an impasse. or whatever that is called.
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i think it is more likely to come from town, but i am not sure if it makes him as slam down town as hf said at some times. still is like the best point in his favour since i am not a huge fan of the filter otherwise.
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ugh? i mean i can understand why i am nominated, since my slot is everything but trustworthy.
but why the fuck _not_ tw and _not_ h1?
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bleh. kinda confused. well my notes say that i liked some of hf's posts on rayn early in the game. e.g. post #685, which is that one:
On August 15 2017 22:00 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2017 21:48 Hopeless1der wrote:On August 15 2017 21:45 Holyflare wrote: I'm still trying to wrap my head around this rayn bull shit his concern about jealous' reads not making sense or him doing very little this game? Him picking and choosing super off things to talk about. Like earlier with his Tumblewood bad read but not having a conclusion himself he's now done it again. He scum reads jealous for apparently a REALLLLYYYY obvious inconsistency that's so groundbreaking that jealous somehow miraculously forgot he was wary of myself and copcake (this is the shittest read I've seen in a long time) but he makes absolutely no mention of copcake forgetting her reads at all even though that's arguably FAR more scummy than jealous. Notice how he is also just giving a list and then a reason why one person is scum but never delving, never prying, not being nitpicky as fuck. It's so off base.
so i guess ill do the remaining pages and filter rayn and geript tomorrow.
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On August 22 2017 06:03 Conversion wrote: we might have another 4-4-4 situation on our hands at this rate
we're at a 2-2-2 now! is there even a case on geript? like i fully understand ppl voting my slot and I can kinda see why ppl would want to vote rayn, but i really dont get the geript votes.
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On August 22 2017 06:07 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2017 06:06 disformation wrote:On August 22 2017 06:03 Conversion wrote: we might have another 4-4-4 situation on our hands at this rate
we're at a 2-2-2 now! is there even a case on geript? like i fully understand ppl voting my slot and I can kinda see why ppl would want to vote rayn, but i really dont get the geript votes. there was something geript mentioned earlier in which the judges should vote 2 townie people and 1 scum in the power up pool, then put up the scum in the lynch pool + 2 others artanis said that can't happen or something, then like 24h earlier clarified it could happen so he is getting bamboozled by his own strategy oh yeah that was like from the very start of the game. though i am really confused why it did happen after artanis said it cant happen...
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On August 22 2017 06:10 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2017 06:09 disformation wrote:On August 22 2017 06:07 Conversion wrote:On August 22 2017 06:06 disformation wrote:On August 22 2017 06:03 Conversion wrote: we might have another 4-4-4 situation on our hands at this rate
we're at a 2-2-2 now! is there even a case on geript? like i fully understand ppl voting my slot and I can kinda see why ppl would want to vote rayn, but i really dont get the geript votes. there was something geript mentioned earlier in which the judges should vote 2 townie people and 1 scum in the power up pool, then put up the scum in the lynch pool + 2 others artanis said that can't happen or something, then like 24h earlier clarified it could happen so he is getting bamboozled by his own strategy oh yeah that was like from the very start of the game. though i am really confused why it did happen after artanis said it cant happen... Are you caught up yet? "yet" i spend like all day trying to read the game. page 124 and prolly going to bed in a bit. so you have to wait a bit longer.
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On August 22 2017 10:16 CopCake wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On August 15 2017 13:02 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2017 12:24 Hopeless1der wrote: before I go to bed, I just want to point out that the last few posts of the thread are shitting on the reads of the
3 CONFIRMED TOWN JUDGES.WHO ARE TRYING TO WIN THE GAME FOR YOU PLEBS.
That is all. Make conclusions as you see fit.
(I refer specifically to Jealous, and his perceived value to the thread this cycle) 1. What contribution do you think he has actually added to the game? 2. Two of those judges are Koshi and Vivax; who to be honest, their reads are maybe accurate as mine are. Koshi is a troll half the time and Vivax is a fucking wild card at best. Neither of those guys are that strong at actually analyzing townreads IMO. 3. At least two of those judges hold grudges imo. 4. Those judges had 24 hours to pick 3 people; they're kinda on a stricter time crunch and had less to evaluate them on. They chose pretty obvious HF and two fucking wild cards. Koshi often gives no fucks when he actually plays games; putting him in a semi-obs position I don't think is going to get him that much more involved. 5. I'm actually interested in their Copcake read. That and I want to reread her, HF, and Damdred.6. I'm still fucking salty they didn't pick me. For TW and Conversion only, maybe Disfo if he appears. + Show Spoiler + Here Geript says that HF is obvious town but then he needs to re read him? Is that normal or? mh. its hf, not too uncommon for ppl to have paranoia when it comes to that guy. that beong said the wording is odd indeed and if i had to guess he also didnt reread him at all?
also not sure if i want to know what rayn had to drink last night or not, but his latest posts make me feel better about voting him.
i also did take a look at the rule notification by art at the beginning of the game, when geript and rayn where talking about mechanics.
it means that the judges thought he was town when they nominated him for the power up, but during that phase something happened that made them change their minds. maybe because geript got a ton of votes?
i also think from an overall game perspective it makes sense that someone in ritoky/hf/geript/rayn is scum. cause if all of them are towb, how isnt the game solved already? even with ritoky being super underwhelming nearly all game and the judges having some different reads than the thread.
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what if it is a troll game and the zhree judges are scum?
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yeah dunno shit is ultra weird. maybe the judges just have godly reads.
like i can see rayn, cause he basically only had the "confirm" and voting himself going. geript confuses me cause he had a bunch of reads/posts i liked.
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dunno geript was my strongest town read of the three at the time.
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just sad i replaced in. read like 124 pages of thread and it seems my reads are garbo. and i cant even talk to the guys with zhe good reads to see where i went wrong. xD
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aight. lets say both geript + rayn are scum. who do you think is the last one?
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like im not even sure on tw anymore. i really didnt like his d1 and i thought there were a lot of good points against him in thread. e.g. i liked a d1 case from you on him.
but zhe judges seem to like him.
would h1 make sense? had a point where i thought he had a fairly town tone, but then he got so hostile i thought he was trying to tilt ppl on purpose. also has been fairly under zhe radar after he was up for lunch d1.
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any particular reason or just cause my slot is bad?
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well fair enough. just. you know. hard for me to to remedy that particular problem. :D
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u wot mates? i told you to post endgame later cause i wantrd to try and do a baby seal in paint when ill get home later...  now im sad
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well remind me to post my notes when i get home
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do i count as having played in the game? :D
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On August 22 2017 19:46 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2017 19:45 disformation wrote: do i count as having played in the game? :D Yes. You have another mafia loss on your record. was more asking cause of the poll. dont really care about my scim winrate. only care about my "never was misslynched as twon" thing. :p until i fibslly get ml as toqn that is.
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scum record is 1-4 now. town winrate also decreasing. think the transition to working full time difnt affect my game in a positive manner. maybe i should request a coach next game. *shrugs*
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On August 22 2017 20:06 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2017 19:57 disformation wrote: scum record is 1-4 now. town winrate also decreasing. think the transition to working full time difnt affect my game in a positive manner. maybe i should request a coach next game. *shrugs* Fwiw I didn't read your posts whatsoever. You were there bc your slot was scummy + PoE. hehe. yeah saw that. koshi also said my posts arent bad or townish or whatever.
just dont think i would have been able to salvage this game esp. given the track record of the slot i replaced into. just musing about my general winrate decline in more recent games.
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well thanks for hosting. 10/10 game, would replace into that again.
*cough* okay more serious like: as i said in scum qt: setup was really really dependant on the judges being good and a lack of interaction with them can make it really hard/frustrating for either town and/or scum. def a cool idea though.
a bit sad about the ragey posts, there were a few in there that were really bad.
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On August 22 2017 22:40 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2017 22:34 Hopeless1der wrote:On August 22 2017 22:29 rsoultin wrote:On August 22 2017 22:25 Conversion wrote:let me first say: I am sorry rayn for raging at you. I haven't been great personally and I took that out on you calling everyone shit, and pushed it too far. On August 22 2017 22:04 Koshi wrote:On August 22 2017 21:24 Conversion wrote:duly noted btw Koshi, on your big post calling me trash  Meh don't take it personal. I call everybody that once in a while. I was pissed off with the fact I knew rayn was mafia and was pretty sure 1 out of hopeless and fefe were mafia. And then there were people calling the 3 picks bad. 1/3 was pretty ok for a list pre flip. We made a mistake thinking fefe vs h1 was TvM oh I'm not taking it personally!! I think I have a lot to improve on (especially with my raging this game). I think I was just frustrated because in a normal game I could read your motivation for putting people up for lynch, but since I couldn't, I was lost. I couldn't think of why (until the geript/disinfo/rayn lynch pool) the pool was what it was  stuff to learn in trying to figure out the judges instead of being mad about it, right? EDIT: also thank you hosts for being patient with me even though I took it too far this game. I'll probably cool off for a bit before getting myself into a mafia game next time! Well, this is why we can't keep judges separate from the thread entirely if we try a setup like this again. Damdred's idea may just be the best one. Make everyone a player and judges pick pools for power-ups, not lynches. The judges were awesome this game. Great reads compared to their town counterparts, very active (other than Night 2 which was weekend). And players presumed they must be afk, or mafia was picking pools, because the reads didn't line up with theirs. Eh. I see no way around that presumption without interaction, and frustration on all sides, unfortunately Judges gave us a free carry. If mafia tried to play that through I think they stood a chance. I wasnt going to lynch geript for days. yeeeeaahhh...we made a mistake. namely, we were dealing with a separate issue when hf asked about rb notification on the shot, and did not have the context for hf's question. the concession felt highly emotional to me on the back of that announcement in-thread i by no means think that there was any form of inevitability to the scum loss this game. reads change. who assumes that the lynch pool was all mafia anyway? one more mislynch and judges are out and town loses lynching tumble because only the judges had a good read on him. but i understand the reaction to the rb notification *in b4 geript/rayn come back with how imbalanced the game was lol >> i agree we could have balanced it better but no, i don't think the setup was the reason for your loss, or the reason for the bad position some of you were in onegu/eversince did nothing for their slot rayn got caught out early. not setup related at all both rayn and geript showed major face on d2...ritoky's analysis was sexy that's gameplay, not setup. the setup probably didn't help...but i wouldn't blame it entirely on that oh fml. i did forget that the judges would be gone in lylo/mylo/whatevs.
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On August 22 2017 23:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2017 22:19 rsoultin wrote: also, apologies for not cracking down on the "mod said x" going on in the thread
i personally don't give a flying fuck about the normal things people say 'mod-confirms' anyone. if someone's being a shithead to scum rayn, i'm not going to let that continue just because he's scum. if someone tells me 'yes, i'm working extra hours and i need to lie to my gf and that's awkward for me but the real reason i want to replace out is people are scumreading me for the wrong reasons when i'm scum', yes, i'll tell them tough titty. obviously we didn't just tell rayn to suck it up, but no, that will never be a suitable replacement excuse for me
and ultimately i don't care if someone says 'the host told me x' when i'm playing in a game; of course they can be lying or leveraging it. but because so many in the community here seem to, we should have cracked down on that in thread. instead, rayn used it and we didn't say anything. then eversince abused it. then cake used it. so, lesson learned. much as i think it's dumb for people to think i'm going to modkill someone for mentioning my name in thread, it was becoming disruptive to the game and should have been stopped. apologies Did you even read what i wrote to you on skype? Alright, it is good to know telling someone to go choke on bag of dicks or burn and die is alright and you shouldnt get upset about it. I will remember that next time. i was super surprised there was no modkill for that post.
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dunno i legit didnt like tw d1 or the first part of d1 or sonething kike this and i thonk hf had good points on that.
he got way better later in the game though i have to admit/agree to that.
he is kinda hard to interact with though, cause he kinda just posts his reads and gtfos then.
kinda wish i could play a bit more like him, but i feel i need to validate/confirm my reads by bouncing them off other ppl, because i dont trust myself that much. or sonething like that xD
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hf is one of the few ppl i often think "wow he is having fun this game!" while i go all freaked and stressed out. though when i think he is having _too_ much fun i am getting massive paranoia... cause of that koshi/hf/palmar scum game...
=D
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i dont mind being scum. though i go with the flow too much and late game i run into zhe prob of havong a hard time conjuring up fake scum reads.
though i guess i also have some probs wuth my town game that make it harder to fake stuff as scum.
and i really need zo stop being a huge effort monster as either alignment, cause that burns me out fairly hard since i alsi work nowadays as either alignment.
kinda miss my student life
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