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On August 18 2017 01:21 Eversince wrote:
@ Cop: I think this whole arguement is telling only in the fact if Hopeless didn't say 1 thing I think the last two-three pages could not look the way they do.
And asking for a gun to shoot mafia would be nice if he hadn't just +1'd Geripts case basically and called for a gun to shoot him with all night. Looks like doing stuff, really what is it accomplishing?
browbeating the judges?
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On August 18 2017 01:20 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2017 01:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 18 2017 01:17 Hopeless1der wrote:On August 18 2017 01:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 18 2017 01:12 CopCake wrote:On August 18 2017 00:54 Damdred wrote:
At you just going to be a dick to everyone in the thread hopeless? Especially after the way you reacted to someone being a dick to you? I have been calm, courteous and respectful in our interactions and I expect for that to be returned. I wasnt being a dick, I was seriously curious to see where he got that idea. Me too, apparently it was bullshit in the first place and apparently i am notw mafia for questioning bullshit. You claim that you believed: "Hopeless1der thinks that Tumblewood has access to the judge QT" This is your argument rayn. Read it. If not for the fact that this is dumber than a bag of rocks I'd wonder if you died and a reanimiated corpse is playing for you. I NEVER EVER SAID THAT!!!!!!!!! Show nested quote +On August 18 2017 00:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I mean whose argument only makes sense if tw knew what judges were gonna do. Show nested quote +On August 18 2017 00:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I didnt see the "just a snarky comment" post. I thought you were arguing something. Show nested quote +On August 18 2017 00:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
No i thought you were saying "someone is arguing in a way that if tw is mafia they would have seen the qt". What the hell is all this rayn? You're "Rayn's what" is being depleted.
Did you even read the last quote? My quotes:
1) "Hopeless, who is that who made the argument? I don't see any.
2) "Who argued so? I still don't see that"
3) "oh it was just a joke/sarcasm"
4) i thought you were saying "someone is arguing in a way that if tw is mafia they would have seen the qt"
Can you even read?
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If I spent the past 12 hours sheeping cases and asking for a gun to shoot the guy most of the thread wants dead would you think it productive?
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On August 18 2017 01:20 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2017 01:18 Tumblewood wrote:On August 18 2017 01:17 Hopeless1der wrote:On August 18 2017 01:16 Tumblewood wrote:
hopeless what is going on and why am i 5000% mafia You'll see after I shoot you. this does not answer anything That was the point, I think you're scum and I dont think arguing with you is helpful in the slightest.
except maybe if you are extremely off track for reasons that could be fixed with a simple explanation, it might help for me to know exactly how you are off track
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On August 18 2017 01:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I believed:
"Hopeless sees some argument that banks on Tumblewood having access to judge QT and rayn wants to know what that argument is because Hopeless implied he knows about an argument like that and i can's see any".
My argument is that you're belief is so fucking broken that you must be scum. If artanis allowed a game like that, and you believed for a fucking second that it was true, you would have found it yourself. Or you would have asked someone else. Or you would have pinned me to the fucking wall until I answered you. If I'm expected to believe that you think so little of me that I thought artanis allowed his game to be that broken and that I'm still here playing as either faction, then I have no interest in taking you seriously from here on rayn. In any game. Thats madness. Your argument is predicated on the host being shit.
(I made a joke about scum reading the judge qt and it unfortunately turned into a read)
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On August 18 2017 01:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2017 01:20 Hopeless1der wrote:On August 18 2017 01:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 18 2017 01:17 Hopeless1der wrote:On August 18 2017 01:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 18 2017 01:12 CopCake wrote:On August 18 2017 00:54 Damdred wrote:
At you just going to be a dick to everyone in the thread hopeless? Especially after the way you reacted to someone being a dick to you? I have been calm, courteous and respectful in our interactions and I expect for that to be returned. I wasnt being a dick, I was seriously curious to see where he got that idea. Me too, apparently it was bullshit in the first place and apparently i am notw mafia for questioning bullshit. You claim that you believed: "Hopeless1der thinks that Tumblewood has access to the judge QT" This is your argument rayn. Read it. If not for the fact that this is dumber than a bag of rocks I'd wonder if you died and a reanimiated corpse is playing for you. I NEVER EVER SAID THAT!!!!!!!!! On August 18 2017 00:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I mean whose argument only makes sense if tw knew what judges were gonna do. On August 18 2017 00:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am confused. Who argued so? On August 18 2017 00:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I didnt see the "just a snarky comment" post. I thought you were arguing something. On August 18 2017 00:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
No i thought you were saying "someone is arguing in a way that if tw is mafia they would have seen the qt". What the hell is all this rayn? You're "Rayn's what" is being depleted. Did you even read the last quote? My quotes: 1) "Hopeless, who is that who made the argument? I don't see any. 2) "Who argued so? I still don't see that" 3) "oh it was just a joke/sarcasm" 4) i thought you were saying "someone is arguing in a way that if tw is mafia they would have seen the qt"Can you even read?
IN WHAT UNIVERSE DOES ARTANIS LET HIS GAME BE BROKEN LIKE THAT!?
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On August 18 2017 01:24 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2017 01:20 Hopeless1der wrote:On August 18 2017 01:18 Tumblewood wrote:On August 18 2017 01:17 Hopeless1der wrote:On August 18 2017 01:16 Tumblewood wrote:
hopeless what is going on and why am i 5000% mafia You'll see after I shoot you. this does not answer anything That was the point, I think you're scum and I dont think arguing with you is helpful in the slightest. except maybe if you are extremely off track for reasons that could be fixed with a simple explanation, it might help for me to know exactly how you are off track
If you want to prove you are town, dont try to argue with the guy who called you 5000% scum.
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On August 18 2017 01:27 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2017 01:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 18 2017 01:20 Hopeless1der wrote:On August 18 2017 01:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 18 2017 01:17 Hopeless1der wrote:On August 18 2017 01:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 18 2017 01:12 CopCake wrote:On August 18 2017 00:54 Damdred wrote:
At you just going to be a dick to everyone in the thread hopeless? Especially after the way you reacted to someone being a dick to you? I have been calm, courteous and respectful in our interactions and I expect for that to be returned. I wasnt being a dick, I was seriously curious to see where he got that idea. Me too, apparently it was bullshit in the first place and apparently i am notw mafia for questioning bullshit. You claim that you believed: "Hopeless1der thinks that Tumblewood has access to the judge QT" This is your argument rayn. Read it. If not for the fact that this is dumber than a bag of rocks I'd wonder if you died and a reanimiated corpse is playing for you. I NEVER EVER SAID THAT!!!!!!!!! On August 18 2017 00:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I mean whose argument only makes sense if tw knew what judges were gonna do. On August 18 2017 00:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am confused. Who argued so? On August 18 2017 00:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I didnt see the "just a snarky comment" post. I thought you were arguing something. On August 18 2017 00:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
No i thought you were saying "someone is arguing in a way that if tw is mafia they would have seen the qt". What the hell is all this rayn? You're "Rayn's what" is being depleted. Did you even read the last quote? My quotes: 1) "Hopeless, who is that who made the argument? I don't see any. 2) "Who argued so? I still don't see that" 3) "oh it was just a joke/sarcasm" 4) i thought you were saying "someone is arguing in a way that if tw is mafia they would have seen the qt"Can you even read? IN WHAT UNIVERSE DOES ARTANIS LET HIS GAME BE BROKEN LIKE THAT!?
Okay one more time. I never said i think so.
I thought you said someone thinks so, and i asked you who that someone is.
That's all....
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whatever you and rayn are doing right now is the stupidest argument i have seen in a long long time. and i know "you can't just call it tvt for being an argument" but this is such a potent combination of inanity and hostility that yes i am calling it 100% tvt
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Am i really that bad at english? Anyone whose name is not Hopelesswonder.
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On August 18 2017 01:29 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2017 01:24 Tumblewood wrote:On August 18 2017 01:20 Hopeless1der wrote:On August 18 2017 01:18 Tumblewood wrote:On August 18 2017 01:17 Hopeless1der wrote:On August 18 2017 01:16 Tumblewood wrote:
hopeless what is going on and why am i 5000% mafia You'll see after I shoot you. this does not answer anything That was the point, I think you're scum and I dont think arguing with you is helpful in the slightest. except maybe if you are extremely off track for reasons that could be fixed with a simple explanation, it might help for me to know exactly how you are off track If you want to prove you are town, dont try to argue with the guy who called you 5000% scum.
wtf since when are you supposed to not defend yourself when someone scumreads you
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On August 18 2017 01:31 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2017 01:29 Hopeless1der wrote:On August 18 2017 01:24 Tumblewood wrote:On August 18 2017 01:20 Hopeless1der wrote:On August 18 2017 01:18 Tumblewood wrote:On August 18 2017 01:17 Hopeless1der wrote:On August 18 2017 01:16 Tumblewood wrote:
hopeless what is going on and why am i 5000% mafia You'll see after I shoot you. this does not answer anything That was the point, I think you're scum and I dont think arguing with you is helpful in the slightest. except maybe if you are extremely off track for reasons that could be fixed with a simple explanation, it might help for me to know exactly how you are off track If you want to prove you are town, dont try to argue with the guy who called you 5000% scum. wtf since when are you supposed to not defend yourself when someone scumreads you
Can you explain how you went from hopeless is maybe town or liking his posts to voting him and being at the bottom of a list post?
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On August 18 2017 01:30 Tumblewood wrote:
whatever you and rayn are doing right now is the stupidest argument i have seen in a long long time. and i know "you can't just call it tvt for being an argument" but this is such a potent combination of inanity and hostility that yes i am calling it 100% tvt
How is the argument stupid from my point and why is it tvt?
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On August 18 2017 01:36 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2017 01:31 Tumblewood wrote:On August 18 2017 01:29 Hopeless1der wrote:On August 18 2017 01:24 Tumblewood wrote:On August 18 2017 01:20 Hopeless1der wrote:On August 18 2017 01:18 Tumblewood wrote:On August 18 2017 01:17 Hopeless1der wrote:On August 18 2017 01:16 Tumblewood wrote:
hopeless what is going on and why am i 5000% mafia You'll see after I shoot you. this does not answer anything That was the point, I think you're scum and I dont think arguing with you is helpful in the slightest. except maybe if you are extremely off track for reasons that could be fixed with a simple explanation, it might help for me to know exactly how you are off track If you want to prove you are town, dont try to argue with the guy who called you 5000% scum. wtf since when are you supposed to not defend yourself when someone scumreads you Can you explain how you went from hopeless is maybe town or liking his posts to voting him and being at the bottom of a list post?
i voted him because my other options were rayn and ff, who i thought were both highly likely town. he was in the bottom category of the list post, but i didn't have any strong scumreads, so i lowered the bar for my scum pool to include people who i thought could be town but were kinda "ehhhhhh"
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To answer people's concerns about me being 50/50 in my posts, the reason why I do this is because I believe that committing to a read and then looking at all consequent posts through that filter makes for biased play. Especially in the first few days, I'd rather discuss what happened objectively and use that to shape my opinion, not make an opinion and then discuss based on that. I hate it when people put out one liner reads early in the game en masse like Damdred did. I also can't partake in any of the meta because in the long and illustrious history of players like rayn and HF, I am sure they can dig up whatever they want to prove/disprove anything they claim about the other, and also because I have no point of reference in that regard. So, that being said, I don't see how it's unexpected that a player who is unfamiliar with the rest of the population, has 0 meta, and is a relative scrub is making long posts that are trying to explain their thinking process. I'm trying to get better at this as I'm doing it, so I explain my rationale from start to finish. Then I get scumread for it? Whatever.
I appreciate people like geript explaining things clearly and also answering my posts, even if they don't make sense because of meta or because I didn't think things through in a civil manner. But apparently what flies here is 1. shit up the thread 2. make one line read posts like "xx is scum," or "give me a gun," etc. 3. use meta like it's the gold standard. 4. make unsubstantiated lists. The newbie mafia game(s?) I played were much more civil, interesting, and entertaining than this. So without further ado:
geript
HF, fuck it, I'll put my faith in my gut since apparently him lying habitually is NAI
I understand Ever's position, having to catch up with the thread, and their posts so far have made sense to me so townlean.
H1 going to carry over some of the towniness from earlier in the game but he hasn't do anything to impress me recently and this recent shit rubs me the wrong way
CopCake is still a mystery
Rayn has been playing in a way that I can't disenfranchise my feelings from my reads and he shitposts too much, so I'd be fine with him just not being here anymore. Unfortunately that doesn't make me scumread him because he still has made some decent posts and ultimately this post in his spat with H1:
On August 18 2017 01:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I believed:
"Hopeless sees some argument that banks on Tumblewood having access to judge QT and rayn wants to know what that argument is because Hopeless implied he knows about an argument like that and i can's see any".
I would probably think the same thing.
Rels I have no clue because I have no meta and he hasn't posted, so natural scumlean
Conversion - I didn't like his posts earlier in the game, then he kinda started posting better, then he apparently started willfully not reading filters in their entirety as soon as he found something to latch onto and publish to the thread so I'll give him a scumlean on that
Damdred
ritoky
TW
Fuck it. See y'all tonight.
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On August 18 2017 01:38 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2017 01:36 Damdred wrote:On August 18 2017 01:31 Tumblewood wrote:On August 18 2017 01:29 Hopeless1der wrote:On August 18 2017 01:24 Tumblewood wrote:On August 18 2017 01:20 Hopeless1der wrote:On August 18 2017 01:18 Tumblewood wrote:On August 18 2017 01:17 Hopeless1der wrote:On August 18 2017 01:16 Tumblewood wrote:
hopeless what is going on and why am i 5000% mafia You'll see after I shoot you. this does not answer anything That was the point, I think you're scum and I dont think arguing with you is helpful in the slightest. except maybe if you are extremely off track for reasons that could be fixed with a simple explanation, it might help for me to know exactly how you are off track If you want to prove you are town, dont try to argue with the guy who called you 5000% scum. wtf since when are you supposed to not defend yourself when someone scumreads you Can you explain how you went from hopeless is maybe town or liking his posts to voting him and being at the bottom of a list post? i voted him because my other options were rayn and ff, who i thought were both highly likely town. he was in the bottom category of the list post, but i didn't have any strong scumreads, so i lowered the bar for my scum pool to include people who i thought could be town but were kinda "ehhhhhh"
Dude you literally said "there is probably not a right answer here".
If you actually thought that, why did you put Hopeless on your scumlist in the next post, that doesn't really go along with "there is no right answer here".
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I just came here to paint some pictures. I think I'll go back to doing that now that I have more free time starting tonight, because I'll probably be on mobile/relatively busy all weekend and will be forced to use text.
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On August 18 2017 01:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2017 01:30 Tumblewood wrote:
whatever you and rayn are doing right now is the stupidest argument i have seen in a long long time. and i know "you can't just call it tvt for being an argument" but this is such a potent combination of inanity and hostility that yes i am calling it 100% tvt How is the argument stupid from my point and why is it tvt?
by inanity i mean the point you are arguing over is ridiculous (about a facet of the setup that is obviously not true), and by hostility i mean both of you are far more passionate than a point this ridiculous warrants. i've only skimmed your side of the argument so far (still catching up); your side doesn't seem stupid so far, but it is still vehement and over a ridiculous detail, and i think that is more than covered by the fact that you were already likely town.
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On August 18 2017 01:46 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2017 01:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 18 2017 01:30 Tumblewood wrote:
whatever you and rayn are doing right now is the stupidest argument i have seen in a long long time. and i know "you can't just call it tvt for being an argument" but this is such a potent combination of inanity and hostility that yes i am calling it 100% tvt How is the argument stupid from my point and why is it tvt? by inanity i mean the point you are arguing over is ridiculous (about a facet of the setup that is obviously not true), and by hostility i mean both of you are far more passionate than a point this ridiculous warrants. i've only skimmed your side of the argument so far (still catching up); your side doesn't seem stupid so far, but it is still vehement and over a ridiculous detail, and i think that is more than covered by the fact that you were already likely town.
rayn thinks that I believed 'someone' sincerely thought scum could read the judge qt.
Thats the new argument. Thats more believable than my original, but thats still a huge crock of shit.
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On August 18 2017 01:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2017 01:38 Tumblewood wrote:On August 18 2017 01:36 Damdred wrote:On August 18 2017 01:31 Tumblewood wrote:On August 18 2017 01:29 Hopeless1der wrote:On August 18 2017 01:24 Tumblewood wrote:On August 18 2017 01:20 Hopeless1der wrote:On August 18 2017 01:18 Tumblewood wrote:On August 18 2017 01:17 Hopeless1der wrote:On August 18 2017 01:16 Tumblewood wrote:
hopeless what is going on and why am i 5000% mafia You'll see after I shoot you. this does not answer anything That was the point, I think you're scum and I dont think arguing with you is helpful in the slightest. except maybe if you are extremely off track for reasons that could be fixed with a simple explanation, it might help for me to know exactly how you are off track If you want to prove you are town, dont try to argue with the guy who called you 5000% scum. wtf since when are you supposed to not defend yourself when someone scumreads you Can you explain how you went from hopeless is maybe town or liking his posts to voting him and being at the bottom of a list post? i voted him because my other options were rayn and ff, who i thought were both highly likely town. he was in the bottom category of the list post, but i didn't have any strong scumreads, so i lowered the bar for my scum pool to include people who i thought could be town but were kinda "ehhhhhh" Dude you literally said "there is probably not a right answer here". If you actually thought that, why did you put Hopeless on your scumlist in the next post, that doesn't really go along with "there is no right answer here".
he was even at the top (townier side) of my scumlist, as a way of saying "i have little reason to believe that he is scum, but someone needs to be mafia, and i guess it's not so implausible that it is him." i still thought the lynch pool overall had a <50% chance of someone being scum.
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