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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
August 14 2017 15:56 GMT
#341
This post was directed toward Tumblewood. Now Tumblewood is hard defending rayn effectively because he for some reason magics up that town rayn can be passive if he wants???
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
August 14 2017 15:59 GMT
#342
I do 100% think rayn is scum and should be the lynch though
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
August 14 2017 16:13 GMT
#343
On August 15 2017 00:19 Holyflare wrote:
Town tw doesn't give a shit what people think and just posts town and scum reads freely

On August 15 2017 00:25 geript wrote: Last game you (Town TW) just thought whatever stupid shit you thought.

These are the applicable meta points.

On August 15 2017 00:16 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2017 00:09 geript wrote:
On August 15 2017 00:01 Holyflare wrote:
Tumblewood what is the town rayn motivation to say you have a bad post and then have no elaboration but just afk?

TW drops to scummy for missing obvious point of post.

TW is approaching the game super differently from last game. Literally not a single read but spends his time poopooing reads.

i have "poopoo'd" 1 read. literally i have less than 10 posts in a ridiculously inactive d1. and you may have noticed that all the ones today have not been as you described. so um stop looking for excuses to attack me?

There are two big things in this post. First, TW bothers to point out that the meta attack is super weak based on how this game has played out but isn't approaching it from either "bad meta you're scum" or "dude we're both town and you should see that because bad meta." It's literally just a release the pressure valve post; and pressure release isn't how TW seems to respond to pressure as town (see above meta). Second, is:
On August 15 2017 00:16 Tumblewood wrote: so um stop looking for excuses to attack me?

It's fucking passive as hell. Somewhat a continuation on meta, but really more an extenuation of scum mentality and more of this:
On August 14 2017 14:24 Tumblewood wrote:
tempted to call everyone who posted in the last 2 hours town. partially for the posting and partially for the posts, if that makes sense.

It's not a read, it's not a push. He can fully back off from it. It's posting to post, not posting to convey a point. Town!TW is able to explain his bad reads (kinda) and can easily respond to:
On August 15 2017 00:01 Holyflare wrote:
Tumblewood what is the town rayn motivation to say you have a bad post and then have no elaboration but just afk?

TW drops to scummy for missing obvious point of post.

Without giving a completely fucking non-sensical response he does here.
On August 15 2017 00:11 Tumblewood wrote:
maybe you don't want or aren't able to post the analysis? dunno bout you but in my experience town have enough motivation to do it plenty of the time.
and then what would be the motivation for scum trying to look like town?

This is not an answer. It's not a coherent thought. It's not even a fucking weird thought like TW's Conversion read is (or many of his reads last game). It doesn't answer the question, it doesn't do anything.

More (full) meta later on when I have time to do a big read.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
August 14 2017 16:15 GMT
#344
On August 15 2017 00:34 Damdred wrote:
Geript might be scum though, that read is a bit flimsy though.

Explain now
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10296 Posts
August 14 2017 16:21 GMT
#345
On August 14 2017 23:49 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2017 23:34 geript wrote:
On August 14 2017 23:25 Holyflare wrote:
On August 14 2017 23:23 geript wrote:
On August 14 2017 18:17 Holyflare wrote:
Copcake/jealous/hf




Geript




Tw



Onegu/conversion/ff/rels/hopeless




Rayn/ritoky/damd

I disagree about Cop/Jealous dumb tells; other than that this list is pretty good. Damdred feels way detatched from this game.


The dumb tell is on top of the fact that jealous has called out what he assumes to be bull shit all game. I like it a lot. Copcake drops to your level for calling out rayn but not much else other than discuss about a clock with ritoky. Still called out rayn though.

I can understand the Jealous read. I don't really like it; part of which was probably because he was calling me scum. But mostly because it's such an inconsequential thing. IIRC, his argument is that I'm scum because I want the judges to risk scum getting items in order to say "This guy is scum" when they could convey that through how they order the lists. It's just an easy nonsense argument to fight against as any alignment; especially since he didn't even bother to rationalize his argument in light of Artanis shooting down my plan.


I think it was so fucking dumb it has to be town. That's all :D

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"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
August 14 2017 16:23 GMT
#346
Is that pocketing for calling us dumb?
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
August 14 2017 16:23 GMT
#347
On August 15 2017 00:52 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2017 00:38 Holyflare wrote:
On August 15 2017 00:32 Damdred wrote:
What do you disagree with so vehemently in the rayn read tw?

(Btw I think tw is town)


Why???


I guess he could be scum? But I am unsure and don't think scum tw would go so hard after your rayn read. And cupcake rayn read early.

Granted it could be a chainsaw defense and the likelihood of him being scum goes up drastically if we assume something odd is there.

But I don't think so I think tw just doesn't like the argument and has drawn a lot of attention to himself.

right on the money
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
August 14 2017 16:26 GMT
#348
On August 15 2017 00:56 Holyflare wrote:
This post was directed toward Tumblewood. Now Tumblewood is hard defending rayn effectively because he for some reason magics up that town rayn can be passive if he wants???

i'm not hard defending rayn. rayn is null at best for me. i'm just arguing against an attack on what i don't think is grounds for an attack.
ta da
good times for all
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
August 14 2017 16:30 GMT
#349
On August 15 2017 00:35 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
Then there is Tumblewood who started questioning Cake (which i liked) and then ended up with "well i didn't even think that makes you anything" which i hated. Into "let's be town everyone" post. I have seen Tumblewood do the same sort of questioning before and it didn't end like that.


So Tumblewood.

Show nested quote +
On August 15 2017 00:11 Tumblewood wrote:
On August 15 2017 00:01 Holyflare wrote:
Tumblewood what is the town rayn motivation to say you have a bad post and then have no elaboration but just afk?

TW drops to scummy for missing obvious point of post.

maybe you don't want or aren't able to post the analysis? dunno bout you but in my experience town have enough motivation to do it plenty of the time.
and then what would be the motivation for scum trying to look like town?


Why could rayn post an afk excuse, 2 posts criticising my plan for mechanics while getting the mechanics wrong and three more posts after that before mentioning the bad post he hates?

Is rayn this elusive in your experience? You say it's one of the slowest day ones you've been in. Do you think rayn hiding reads contributes to that?

Do you even like rayn's read? He says you're nothing (bad?) for calling out copcake and determining she's nothing but also he determines copcake is nothing. Is that not alarming to you? Is this even a mafia read?




On August 15 2017 00:55 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2017 00:48 Conversion wrote:
also doesn't rayn play like an aggressive d1 where he just like presses the shit out of people? or does his playstyle change around


Show nested quote +

I mean, me and holyflare for example are most likely the (almost) most nitpicking people in mafia in the world. We are considered good players. It's not because we are necessarily smarter than other people are. We just dig into stuff we find relevant. If it is "15 pages of shit" and we didn't find anything then well... we do something else.


Raynpelikoneet, 2017

One game ago.

Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10296 Posts
August 14 2017 16:34 GMT
#350
On August 15 2017 01:13 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2017 00:19 Holyflare wrote:
Town tw doesn't give a shit what people think and just posts town and scum reads freely

Show nested quote +
On August 15 2017 00:25 geript wrote: Last game you (Town TW) just thought whatever stupid shit you thought.

These are the applicable meta points.

Show nested quote +
On August 15 2017 00:16 Tumblewood wrote:
On August 15 2017 00:09 geript wrote:
On August 15 2017 00:01 Holyflare wrote:
Tumblewood what is the town rayn motivation to say you have a bad post and then have no elaboration but just afk?

TW drops to scummy for missing obvious point of post.

TW is approaching the game super differently from last game. Literally not a single read but spends his time poopooing reads.

i have "poopoo'd" 1 read. literally i have less than 10 posts in a ridiculously inactive d1. and you may have noticed that all the ones today have not been as you described. so um stop looking for excuses to attack me?

There are two big things in this post. First, TW bothers to point out that the meta attack is super weak based on how this game has played out but isn't approaching it from either "bad meta you're scum" or "dude we're both town and you should see that because bad meta." It's literally just a release the pressure valve post; and pressure release isn't how TW seems to respond to pressure as town (see above meta). Second, is:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2017 00:16 Tumblewood wrote: so um stop looking for excuses to attack me?

It's fucking passive as hell. Somewhat a continuation on meta, but really more an extenuation of scum mentality and more of this:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2017 14:24 Tumblewood wrote:
tempted to call everyone who posted in the last 2 hours town. partially for the posting and partially for the posts, if that makes sense.

It's not a read, it's not a push. He can fully back off from it. It's posting to post, not posting to convey a point. Town!TW is able to explain his bad reads (kinda) and can easily respond to:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2017 00:01 Holyflare wrote:
Tumblewood what is the town rayn motivation to say you have a bad post and then have no elaboration but just afk?

TW drops to scummy for missing obvious point of post.

Without giving a completely fucking non-sensical response he does here.
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2017 00:11 Tumblewood wrote:
maybe you don't want or aren't able to post the analysis? dunno bout you but in my experience town have enough motivation to do it plenty of the time.
and then what would be the motivation for scum trying to look like town?

This is not an answer. It's not a coherent thought. It's not even a fucking weird thought like TW's Conversion read is (or many of his reads last game). It doesn't answer the question, it doesn't do anything.

More (full) meta later on when I have time to do a big read.

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"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
August 14 2017 16:46 GMT
#351
from his last database town game
On July 13 2017 07:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
geript is actually also prolly mafia
´

and from generic 3
On January 09 2016 13:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
lol darthfoley goes to the townpile

ur move hf
good times for all
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
August 14 2017 16:48 GMT
#352
I am gonna throw my two cent on rayn.

::: THIS IS A SERIOUS POST :::

I have played with him several times (Obviously) and I know he is a super skilled player. Nevertheless I have also seen him being misslynched for things like this (Not being active and so, or lazy reads) I have lynched him myself because of that. That is why I suggest to give him a pass and decide on him later or after the 24 hrs at least when he comes back. Remember last game we misslynched someone because of lack of participation and wasnt deffending himself.

I can also see mafia trying to take advantage of this heated read kinda (Damdred) who hasnt done shit except for like two posts? Last game he came and gave reads straight and here he is acting like Geript (a woman who kicks a cat and then screams and hides when the chaos starts)

geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
August 14 2017 16:51 GMT
#353
Fuck you Cop
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
August 14 2017 16:54 GMT
#354
On August 15 2017 01:46 Tumblewood wrote:
from his last database town game
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2017 07:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
geript is actually also prolly mafia
´

and from generic 3
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2016 13:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
lol darthfoley goes to the townpile

ur move hf


Lol darthfoley is directly after a darthfoley post in question and was quite obvious why.

Also that isn't from his last database town game so link it. I'm almost positive he elaborates on it
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
August 14 2017 16:58 GMT
#355
On August 15 2017 01:54 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2017 01:46 Tumblewood wrote:
from his last database town game
On July 13 2017 07:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
geript is actually also prolly mafia
´

and from generic 3
On January 09 2016 13:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
lol darthfoley goes to the townpile

ur move hf


Lol darthfoley is directly after a darthfoley post in question and was quite obvious why.

Also that isn't from his last database town game so link it. I'm almost positive he elaborates on it

i think i got those two switched around. the df read is from his database game (unoriginal) and the geript one is from generic 3
good times for all
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
August 14 2017 16:59 GMT
#356
It's irrelevant anyway because now you're making the situation where rayn's meta is to not give a shit about the game AND PUSH NOTHING BUT MECHANICS and to have to basically be forced to give a read WHICH DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.

Which isn't the case.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
August 14 2017 17:00 GMT
#357
HF, can we just agree to lynch Rayn unless he comes back and shits super fucking town rainbows and talk about other people for the next 24 hours? The horse is already pulp, you can stop beating it.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
August 14 2017 17:01 GMT
#358
On July 13 2017 07:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2017 07:39 emperorchampion wrote:
On July 13 2017 07:36 ruXxar wrote:
On July 13 2017 07:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
geript is actually also prolly mafia
´


This I could get behind.


Color me confused as to why geript thinks Raynaud is maf

idk but geript seems like he WANTS holyflare to be town instead of wanting to figure out if he is town or not. But ruxxar doesnt even want to figure out what you are after finding something "super good".


Within 2 fucking posts too!! He didn't even get asked for the read. No force. No anger.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
August 14 2017 17:02 GMT
#359
No I'm getting a read on tw. If he's mafia rayn is town.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
August 14 2017 17:05 GMT
#360
On August 15 2017 02:02 Holyflare wrote:
No I'm getting a read on tw. If he's mafia rayn is town.

Why can't they both share an alignment?
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