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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On August 22 2017 18:42 Holyflare wrote: It was extremely bull shit. You shouldn't ever be allowed to talk about whether you've tried to be replaced out and denied. I think it's extremely bullshit that i wasn't allowed to replace, the only reason i kept playing is because i think geript deserved it. I mean i was literally very very close to say some quite harsh words. | ||
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geript
10024 Posts
On August 22 2017 18:42 Holyflare wrote: He was basically confirmed mafia and then he did some bull shit talking about mod actions and how they wouldn't let him leave and he was so angry just because I called him the correct alignment. It was extremely bull shit. You shouldn't ever be allowed to talk about whether you've tried to be replaced out and denied. Agreed. He still should've been lynched there though. That D1 case was so far off from tone Rayn it's not even funny. | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
On August 22 2017 18:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think it's extremely bullshit that i wasn't allowed to replace, the only reason i kept playing is because i think geript deserved it. I mean i was literally very very close to say some quite harsh words. I'm sorry what? You got called out with a very good case and it made you angry? Like it's so bull shit that I dropped every scum read on you because it's so underhanded. Otherwise you'd be the lynch 10/10 times. | ||
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LightningStrike
United States14277 Posts
On August 22 2017 18:42 Holyflare wrote: He was basically confirmed mafia and then he did some bull shit talking about mod actions and how they wouldn't let him leave and he was so angry just because I called him the correct alignment. It was extremely bull shit. You shouldn't ever be allowed to talk about whether you've tried to be replaced out and denied. I pretty sure it was faked but ya that is a bit bullshit I thought it was something else myself. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On August 22 2017 18:48 Holyflare wrote: I'm sorry what? You got called out with a very good case and it made you angry? You and your case have nothing to do with why i wanted to replace out. You were just annoying, not a big fucking dick for no reason. | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
On August 22 2017 18:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well it's nice to see 80% of why the judges thought i am scum comes from that they don't communicate with the game and made a wrong judgement call on why i did something. "you scumread me for bad reasons". Classic p: | ||
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geript
10024 Posts
Like I don't think there's any real shot for scum to win the setup. | ||
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geript
10024 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
On August 22 2017 18:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: You and your case have nothing to do with why i wanted to replace out. You were just annoying, not a big fucking dick for no reason. K read the mafia qt, tis understandable. Also this game was entirely town sided and I'm boycotting it likes cell. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
I also believe this game was pretty town favored but still not as townfavored as the previous game with Damdred and geript being in the game innocent childs. And then you don't write entire essays on why is was unbalanced. Be consequent. Like... This was nothing compared to that. But this game was something new and I prefer this over Cell mafia anyday. It for sure has some balance issues but the idea was pretty fun and it was incredible to be able to be a judge. Great experience!!! I will for sure join another one of these and theorycraft about the balance then. I think the concept is great, and you can change a lot, or a little bit and both would work. I'll try to write something down to recap the judges mindset next. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
Mafia should not be forced to look super super super town in order for the game to be "balanced", not to even mention we can't even know, EVER, what the judges think is townie or not... townies never have that problem, because they shouldn't care in the first place. Doesn't help that if there ever is confirmed town you can't kill them. | ||
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geript
10024 Posts
On August 22 2017 19:00 Koshi wrote: Playing with confirmed townies is so easy. I was most of the time +30 pages behind the thread but due to be able to trust Vivax and Superbia 100% it wasn't a problem. I also believe this game was pretty town favored but still not as townfavored as the previous game with Damdred and geript being in the game innocent childs. And then you don't write entire essays on why is was unbalanced. Be consequent. Like... This was nothing compared to that. But this game was something new and I prefer this over Cell mafia anyday. It for sure has some balance issues but the idea was pretty fun and it was incredible to be able to be a judge. Great experience!!! I will for sure join another one of these and theorycraft about the balance then. I think the concept is great, and you can change a lot, or a little bit and both would work. I'll try to write something down to recap the judges mindset next. I thin a mason pair in a mini is far, far more balanced than this setup. 9/10ths of the time in this setup mafia has to leave the towniest guy alive all game while he gets useful roles. If scum Town confirm 1 person, the game becomes almost impossible with this person. The setup completely takes away any strength mafia has to control a game. In a normal setup, I can bus Rayn D1 with his play and go to town using my influence to protect the third mafia player. The mason setup looked OP, but the mafia team was basically MIA and let Town do its thing. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
ofcourse you could have killed HF N1 anyway but it was a gamble that you lost. | ||
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geript
10024 Posts
On August 22 2017 19:01 Holyflare wrote: Mafia should start with a rb. Shouldn't be a vig shot. Don't like the judge mechanic one bit. The judges are problematic; I don't think there's any way to balance it. Town getting a vig on top... broken. Mafia not having any way to kill Town and no real benefit for being "super Town" and actually being at an even larger detriment. It's a great idea and worth trying out, but just way too op. | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
On August 22 2017 18:52 geript wrote: I should've kept the original N1 action plan. But I didn't know when you got to choose stuff and if you chose it before end of day you take Cop, but if you can change throughout the night then you switch to vest. Like I don't think there's any real shot for scum to win the setup. Disagree. If you just shoot HF N1 you have a real "shot" at winning IMO. You become thread leader and do whatever you want. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On August 22 2017 19:09 geript wrote: I thin a mason pair in a mini is far, far more balanced than this setup. 9/10ths of the time in this setup mafia has to leave the towniest guy alive all game while he gets useful roles. If scum Town confirm 1 person, the game becomes almost impossible with this person. The setup completely takes away any strength mafia has to control a game. In a normal setup, I can bus Rayn D1 with his play and go to town using my influence to protect the third mafia player. The mason setup looked OP, but the mafia team was basically MIA and let Town do its thing. haha. Please geript. You can have your opinion but it is wrong. If we ever meet up we can talk about this for 4 hours. There is no way I am wrong about this. 14 players. 2 confirmed town. 1 parity cop. So 4 misslynches in a pool of 11 before you lose. It's like judges that can actually interact with the thread and you are not limited by any shenanigans, making EoD way harder for scum. And we as judges played way way way way better than you guys did in that previous game btw. And we as mafia did a pretty decent job as well. I still don't understand the modconfirmed shit with rayn but HF dropped the ball so fucking hard on the D1 lynch. | ||
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