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On July 17 2017 01:56 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2017 01:55 geript wrote:On July 17 2017 01:49 Holyflare wrote:On July 17 2017 01:47 ruXxar wrote:On July 17 2017 01:43 Holyflare wrote: Yeh so let's lynch koshi then k? No. I've had enough of your scummy shenanigans. Either lynch me or NK me. I'm not changing my vote until you are dead. Cool just remain on the sidelines then my friend and watch the magic happen. Why were my shenanigans scummy? I just wanted rels under pressure to see what happened. Fwiw, I don't think I would've lynched you if you stuck with the claim. Idk, but I would've thought about it a bit more. this is a bad attitude as it allows scum to get away with fake claim in future games. There's a difference when you already feel comfortable in your read
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On July 17 2017 03:38 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2017 03:29 Koshi wrote:On July 17 2017 03:28 Holyflare wrote: rels just got off red check and left didn't he? Go check steam friendlist playing battlerite innit So we still lynch him. I see zero reason to not do so.
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On July 17 2017 04:01 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2017 03:51 Holyflare wrote:On July 17 2017 03:49 geript wrote:On July 17 2017 03:38 Holyflare wrote:On July 17 2017 03:29 Koshi wrote:On July 17 2017 03:28 Holyflare wrote: rels just got off red check and left didn't he? Go check steam friendlist playing battlerite innit So we still lynch him. I see zero reason to not do so. because like I said before he did this last game as town too I've given up on geript. If he didn't townread me in my towniest game ever he's not gonna townread me right now Can't imagine why I wouldn't townread you this game... you've do so much.
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On July 17 2017 00:26 Rels wrote: SL IDK at all. ruxxar's rest of filter was super natural, I thought I had something with the way he was treating EC weirdly then all of sudden he townreads him. I think he even lock townread him. I was thinking I had something linkling ruxxar and EC together but the lock townread doesn't make sense in that case. I think he's town Like this is probably your best post and it's fucking thin
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Who ever mafia is, I'm pretty sure they're all bussing each other right now. It feels like most people are having reasonably close lynch lists.
I actually don't hate Rels post on EC. I went and looked at his recent games (resistance [scum], 72hr and another mini). In all his games he quotes a decent amount. But in his town games, things seem to stick out to him a bit more and he seems a bit more idk paranoid. Like he'll flag posts and shit. Length wise, there doesn't seem to be a major difference between alignments that I noticed (either in post length or volume). Tone wise; he seems a bit more self-assured as mafia. It's not a read I'm wholly confident in, but it actually feels like a good place to bury a vote. His response to the claim was pretty fucking off too. Like everyone seems to take a side on it and he doesn't even seem to notice it. Like it's something irrelevant which (as far as masons go) I think is more consistent with being mafia. The big thing though is that he doesn't really seem to have any "eh that seems sketchy" type posts; there's nothing that catches his eye. Rather there's only things he seems to comment on this game. That's the big carry away for me.
SL seems boring. I don't hate killing him either. I can't find a single post of his that gets me hard. Which in looking at Rels filter; Rels at least as a few that make me stop and think.
Right now I'm going to ignore Skynx; partly because I think I want him to be scum and am not sure I can be reasonably unbiased. Also in part because I think EC is a decent shot for scum and EC didn't hate a Skynx lynch but ended up on the VA wagon. EC always seems to want to throw scum on Skynx, but always seems to find a way to push someone else to the top for relatively weak reasons. Especially + Show Spoiler [This Post] +On July 14 2017 20:48 emperorchampion wrote: Ok so caught up, quick post below .
I kinda had / have similar thoughts with rux regarding this "analytical" thing. I think it could be both skynx and geript as town. Plus points to rux for this, but I don't know why he's a bit more waffly on this. Maybe it's just the way people are trying to portray it right now, since I guess koshi is still number 1 for him.
In summary: skynx, geript, ruxxar seem ok for now on the basis that to me they look like they're trying hard. This could come from either alignment, but I'd like to keep them for now. Only thing is Skynx recent outburst is a bit strange. I dunno why so mad.
@skynx: is geript past the point of you could potentially think he's town?
I think ruxxar had some questions for me that I probably didn't answer here, I'll hopefully get around to that before the deadline.
I think my poe list is pretty much va and rels now? rsoul is ok for me for now, would be nice to see if there is any read progression on me from her. think my thing next is to re examine koshi, could easily be sleeping on him.
For now gonna park my vote on va. where he finds a way to find him kinda town and kinda scum. It's just hard to evaluate Skynx fairly for me right now; but I still kinda think he scum.
I'll look at Koshi and TW in the morning.
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On July 17 2017 17:12 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2017 14:10 geript wrote:Who ever mafia is, I'm pretty sure they're all bussing each other right now. It feels like most people are having reasonably close lynch lists. I actually don't hate Rels post on EC. I went and looked at his recent games (resistance [scum], 72hr and another mini). In all his games he quotes a decent amount. But in his town games, things seem to stick out to him a bit more and he seems a bit more idk paranoid. Like he'll flag posts and shit. Length wise, there doesn't seem to be a major difference between alignments that I noticed (either in post length or volume). Tone wise; he seems a bit more self-assured as mafia. It's not a read I'm wholly confident in, but it actually feels like a good place to bury a vote. His response to the claim was pretty fucking off too. Like everyone seems to take a side on it and he doesn't even seem to notice it. Like it's something irrelevant which (as far as masons go) I think is more consistent with being mafia. The big thing though is that he doesn't really seem to have any "eh that seems sketchy" type posts; there's nothing that catches his eye. Rather there's only things he seems to comment on this game. That's the big carry away for me. SL seems boring. I don't hate killing him either. I can't find a single post of his that gets me hard. Which in looking at Rels filter; Rels at least as a few that make me stop and think. Right now I'm going to ignore Skynx; partly because I think I want him to be scum and am not sure I can be reasonably unbiased. Also in part because I think EC is a decent shot for scum and EC didn't hate a Skynx lynch but ended up on the VA wagon. EC always seems to want to throw scum on Skynx, but always seems to find a way to push someone else to the top for relatively weak reasons. Especially + Show Spoiler [This Post] +On July 14 2017 20:48 emperorchampion wrote: Ok so caught up, quick post below .
I kinda had / have similar thoughts with rux regarding this "analytical" thing. I think it could be both skynx and geript as town. Plus points to rux for this, but I don't know why he's a bit more waffly on this. Maybe it's just the way people are trying to portray it right now, since I guess koshi is still number 1 for him.
In summary: skynx, geript, ruxxar seem ok for now on the basis that to me they look like they're trying hard. This could come from either alignment, but I'd like to keep them for now. Only thing is Skynx recent outburst is a bit strange. I dunno why so mad.
@skynx: is geript past the point of you could potentially think he's town?
I think ruxxar had some questions for me that I probably didn't answer here, I'll hopefully get around to that before the deadline.
I think my poe list is pretty much va and rels now? rsoul is ok for me for now, would be nice to see if there is any read progression on me from her. think my thing next is to re examine koshi, could easily be sleeping on him.
For now gonna park my vote on va. where he finds a way to find him kinda town and kinda scum. It's just hard to evaluate Skynx fairly for me right now; but I still kinda think he scum. I'll look at Koshi and TW in the morning. I don't understand the bolded ? Like when I claimed mason, Rayn lost his shit. EC is there posting on relatively recent shit and just ignoring commenting on it. Posts this:
On July 15 2017 05:42 emperorchampion wrote: Meh koshi is not great, if va did something to do defend I could move. Sad, but not sad at all if he's mafia.
Good places to look: koshi damdred skynx/rux/geript Like you either think I'm scum and fake claiming or I'm blue. There's literally no in between ground. I'm obviously claiming confirmed Town mason with Damdred and he's obvious explaining sitting on his vote.
When I ping him on it:
On July 15 2017 05:45 emperorchampion wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2017 05:43 geript wrote: Really surprised EC hasn't commented on the claim. About the masons? He's obviously aware of the claim.
On July 15 2017 05:50 emperorchampion wrote: Ok cool, two names to scratch off my list Then fully accepts it.
Like if you think Damdred and I are good people to look into, then flat out accept the claim it's pretty odd. On top of it, he's had Skynx in his lynch list throughout. If I have 2 confirmed Town pushing a lynch on a guy I find scummy, I'm pretty likely to sheep their vote. It's weird to need much more to push off from one mediocre lynch to another.
On July 15 2017 05:56 emperorchampion wrote: im getting a bit of cold feet on va, but I dunno about moving off It's weird to be getting cold feet about a lynch, be okay with the opposite wagon led by confirmed Town and not jump ship.
It's just a whole mess of unusual all around.
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Also, can those of you who are Town please shove your dicks back in your pants and stop trying to waggle them around and have a sword fight with them. Like, it's fucking terrible when I'm being the goddamn voice of reason.
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On July 17 2017 18:20 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2017 18:16 geript wrote: Also, can those of you who are Town please shove your dicks back in your pants and stop trying to waggle them around and have a sword fight with them. Like, it's fucking terrible when I'm being the goddamn voice of reason. So you're saying koshi has contributed solid analysis that has driven the game forward and been productive at calling out people? Or you just like barking out and not acknowledging that he's pushed absolutely nobody he's called out? I'm telling you to look at and evaluate what I wrote on EC. I haven't reread Koshi yet. If he's bussing EC; cool, I don't care which order I lynch them in. I do care about you getting in a pointless dick comparing contest with Koshi and shitting up the thread so I can't get a good lynch off. If you guys are dumb enough to lynch me or Damdred at Lylo, I at least want to flip someone who I think has a good chance for being scum. It's my fucking head on the chopping block (not Damdred's) in a game where I want to remind Rayn how stupid he is for not fucking listening to me. And I need your help because I'm pretty sure you're Town and I know you're a better player than I am.
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Like you know how fucked up it is to be told, "You're confirmed Town until Lylo when we're going to lynch you. But in the mean time, we're not going to listen to a goddamn word out of your mouth?"
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On July 17 2017 18:28 Holyflare wrote: Summary of ruxxar this game:
100% koshi is mafia.
VA is definitely town bs tmi.
Makes up scum reads on me before even looking into it and then says he was wrong but still scum reads me somehow.
Disbelieved red check INSTANTLY voting off wagon on koshi.
Then starts nonsense about rels flipping green and definitely lynching me.
Then starts associating my play to defending koshi before rels has flipped/I've rescinded.
All of the cop stuff is setting up for a mislynch the next cycle.
Koshi is bussing tw/i call out koshi with ruxxar/he votes me over his early game 100% koshi even though he says I'm with koshi and he's more sure on that
Mafia plz. Sure there's a bunch I've forgotten about. Look I get why you think Rux is scum. I do. Both VA and Rels iirc made comments that he did this same dumb shit last game as Town. I can see him being the dog from Up chasing every little noice and sound... enamored by every little new thing. I think he can be Town. I mean, if you were scum with him, how early would you start bussing that shit just to make sure he didn't spill the whole fucking beans? Because I would've hard bussed his ass on D1 and taken half the credit and NKd you.
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On July 17 2017 18:30 Holyflare wrote: Nobody has said that? I don't think you're lying and I've listened to everything you've posted. Koshi is the bigger threat so read what I've been writing because you've dismissed it as pointless dick waving when it's not. Then form your case in a coherent way I can understand it so I don't get so enamored with your big sexy cock that I have to go jerk off and think about marv.
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I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm saying how you're presenting it isn't going to make me want to vote with you.
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I'll be up in ~6 hours to read and post and shit.
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EC's comments: # of Skynx Positive Neutral (#720, #907) Negative: (#582, #910, #1028, #1215)
# of VA Positive Neutral (#582, #1215, #1246) Negative (#720, #907, #1020)
Like you talk about Skynx way fucking more than you talk about VA. The most you ever really say about VA is you didn't mind his opener. Everything else is basically, "He hasn't done anything I can defend" which is an easy cop out answer.
My question is if you accepted Damdred and Myself as town, and we're both pushing a lynch on someone you talk reasonably negatively about (moreso than your current lynch vote). Why not join the chain of justice?
If you were waiting for Damdred to confirm our loving masonic relationship, why? Either I'm 100% scum trying to get a partner to back my claim (who 100% will) or I'm 100% town and my partner will back my claim (who 100% will)? In what world does the person I claim to be masoned with end up not backing my claim? Literally no one in the thread questioned that I was in a QT with Damdred, but many questioned whether it was Scum QT.
Skynx was legit throwing his vote away on a train that had 0 chance of ever happening (which is like super bad [shame shame Tina]), he's on your list of people to look at and "have meant to look at" repeatedly. Yet you don't end up filtering him. You don't end up trying to pool with confirmed town votes. You don't say to yourself, "Hey, I'm pretty iffy on both these guys; but I know that at least the push on Skynx is 100% led by an honest opinion I can trust." You don't do a lot of things that make basic fucking mafia sense.
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For the record HF, I can't sleep I'm looking at your shit now.
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Hey VIvax, Damdred and I are masons. Rayn lynched VA (town) and got shot. HF fake claimed a redcheck on Rels early D2 and rescinded after about ~20 hours.
If you could focus on a few people for me it'd be cool. Specifically: Koshi, Skynx , TW, and EC.
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On July 13 2017 17:04 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2017 17:00 rsoultin wrote:On July 13 2017 16:56 Koshi wrote: There is a chance I don't understand woman. Or they are all mafia. ##vote rsoultin lol like y'all are ever gonna lynch me this game. darth punk isn't here There is a chance I don't understand women. Or that they are all mafia. It is funnier with better english. Already not a fan because I love baiting town to get them into dumb shitty arguments with each other as scum.
On July 13 2017 19:23 Koshi wrote: Damdred tried to explain why geript is town and gave that read to the thread. =good stuff. Trying to convince somebody is town with reasoning that another person can understand is a townie treat. Him being extremely confident about it is also more likely town over mafia because mafia is afraid of showing TMI.
Damdred is town. FWIW, I know you and Rayn hated Damdred's read, but I thought it was actually pretty on point and didn't mind this. That said, I think Damdred was pretty obviously town too so no real townie points for this.
On July 13 2017 23:26 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2017 23:24 Holyflare wrote: Koshi doesn't even have real reads. Must be mafia cos he sucks right now. wow I even pressed reply before I realized. My last post will be to point out rsoultin hasn't done anything yet and her read on Damdred is bullshit. She takes Damdred his worst read and calls him town for it... The post he's referring to is here. In going back it's a pretty slick read on Damdred's part IMO. One that makes me want to lynch Ruxxar even less. This is the type of sly read that in my experience good players usually pick up on from other players and incorporate. It's actually really solid and not one I'd expect Koshi to downgrade.
On July 14 2017 22:36 Koshi wrote: Why is rsoultin not mafia? Only read the votes and not the thread yet. Currently busy but hoping I can read it after work as I should be home earlier today. Depends on how long this takes but we are almost done. I read the thread this morning and she just dropped a bad listpost filled with emo blackmail. Not a single strong read based with evidence and a lol read on va.
So bad. Damdred liked Tina's list post. I wasn't as fond of it. So I won't detract marks from Koshi for that. That said...
On July 14 2017 05:10 rsoultin wrote: koshi. <- this dude has done nada all day but call me scum for bullshit. like, 'baseless' reads? there may not be a ton behind them but tone, but that's how it always is with me day 1 lol >< and he has no excuse not to know this. no way that's his only read as town. even when he's trying to keep his filter down (which he's done before, btw) he can't seem to help himself, like a fire burning in his belly
I will detract for this. Because it's damn on point of Koshi's filter.
On July 14 2017 22:53 Koshi wrote: My meta read on VA is not the same as rayns btw. For me VA is mafia when he builds up cred and then uses that build up cred to push mafia agenda. rayn scumreads VA already while he is building up the cred.
Which imo is way inferior.
Problem this game is that VA went for the "I entered with scummeta on purpose" defense which is bullshit as VA doesnt play anti town on purpose. He might not care to boost his own activity to get read easily. But never anti town on purpose. And as I said. Rayn was looking decent enough town already back then so va entering to trick rayn makes no sense. But if he did he should have defended against rayns attack with "good you are town" and not "lol mafia meta on purpose"
So VA is pretty much lock scum.
But why is rsoultin town? This is the second time he's said it's VA's scum meta saying that VA doesn't play anti-town as town; which is complete bullshit. If VA doesn't gives fucks, he does whatever the fuck he wants as any alignment. Kinda like PalmEr. That said, this is basically how I tend to describe meta when I'm scum. I use pretty broad generalities. Even worse, VA has built up 0 town cred to push scum agenda; so I don't see how he even fits this game.
On July 17 2017 01:35 Koshi wrote: Page 75. Don't think Ruxx is mafia. Don't think EC is mafia. Don't think HF is mafia. Don't think rsoultin is mafia now lol.
Don't know about SL
Really don't think mafia geript and Damdred just go claim masons. Dumbest thing ever... So there is max 1 mafia and 1 retard.
Brings me to TW/Skynx and Rels.
I think that is all. 17 more pages.
On July 17 2017 01:40 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2017 03:41 Skynx wrote:I promissed a list so there we go Never lynch town: rayn, HF, geript, Damdredrayn has been the town pillar this game, not really need to say more + we had the exact same scumlist yesterday. This is town HF, he's been diving into detail finding little stuff on Ruxxar that i liked, he was instantly on VA, etc. He is scumhunting decently so far. geript and damdy are uncontested masons, breadcrumbed earlier + Show Spoiler +On July 13 2017 08:44 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2017 07:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: geript is actually also prolly mafia ´ He's totally town brah On July 13 2017 08:47 Damdred wrote: Also I will burn this thread to the ground over geript, just so everyone knows.
I think rayb is also town.
Tina probably not town at this point, rux not sure but he's a bit nitpicky go me atm. On July 13 2017 09:07 Damdred wrote: I think geript is town for these reasons
1) he has no real motivation as scum. Look at his previous games and as scum he's a leader and always have a plan.
Here he's just eh.
2) He leaves himself in bad positions with his opinions. Like his opening post had no real logic behind it which us a town trait for geript early. As scum he could of fakes a reason instead he went eh Idk.
3) I just know he's town this game. (Imo) so i don't really doubt the claim. There is a case where they do this as scum but that will be apparent if they don't die D2-3 anyway so don't have to worry about this read for a while Town: rsoultinVivaxI bought tinas raging in the thread and now replacing out of emotion is really convincing. I don't see a mafia doing this, it would just be very unsportsmanlike (altho confirming Vivax like this is very dicky aswell) Null: Rels, sickluckerUnreadable boyz in da hood of D1, voted VA cuz VA is bad. Need to step up bigtime now. Scum: TW, Ruxxar, emperorThey have all done objectively scummy shit, all in my filter so go look it up. Koshi is on a category of his own, he hasn't done a towny thing so far so that warrants a scumread on its own but i just can't bring together a case looking at his filter. He needs to be lynched at some point if he keeps going like this. Going to reread Skynx first. I like where he is here. I think this was one of the points HF brought up. For liking where Skynx is, they only share 1 scumread. If you count nulls I guess you get to add in sharing SL and Rels reads, but being so vastly different on TW and EC is a quite odd.
On July 17 2017 01:45 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2017 05:27 sicklucker wrote: Whats that have to do with anything. your denying you forgot your read? No ones lock town in this game Show nested quote +On July 16 2017 05:28 sicklucker wrote: It just weird you call me town. I dont post then you call me maybe scum. I mean its not like your saying im for sure mafia but it seems like you forgot your read Damn a legit sl read. Sick stuff. Going have to reread EC as well. I don't see how this is a slick read. Sure EC seems to have forgotten his read. But I've also found that over time if it isn't a really sticky read, it's easy to forget where you had someone on the nullish side of town. Granted I'm presuming they're referring to thiswhich seems a bit more than town-null.
On July 17 2017 01:46 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2017 05:57 emperorchampion wrote: So in summary of the night and game so far:
- hf is lock town for me - skynx might be town, but needs to stop being so lazy with his cases. Two half assed cases now, and almost lynched day 1. - ruxxar is likely mafia. Few new reasons are his town reads of hf and skynx after they hard lock him mafia. Mafia motivation is that he doesn't know how to deal with the situation otherwise, so buddying is his only attempt. He gives no regard to tumbles town lock on him or vice versa, looks like buddying attempt to me. His day one reads are completely based on meta. The only reason for town reading me is honesty, despite having many similar reads and I would hope (but am maybe sorely mistaken) pretty strong town play this game. - koshi needs to haul ass, unfortunately he can likely be mafia as well which is the only reason that in some insane world ruxxar is actually town. I believe that ruxxar started off with a "hey play better " sort of read. Then just never moved off it, and is now stuck bussing his teammate. - tumble needs to explain his ruxxar read - rayn still probably lock town, I admit I've been too lazy to read his filter this night - sicklucker has been funny, but I've found that as both alignments, so will hopefully step up. End of day 1 seemed towny from him. - damdy and geript don't have much to say here - rels is super meh. Needs to explain why in his catching up just read only through rayns filter and just sheeped his top read - vivax is likely town "I don't know what to write behind Koshi his name to call him mafia so I am going to call Ruxx both lock town and mafia in 1 sentence. But this is just plain lazy.
On July 17 2017 02:20 Koshi wrote:This is a bad post because he doesn't scumread Skynx. See↓ + Show Spoiler +On July 14 2017 04:16 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2017 03:48 geript wrote:On July 14 2017 03:32 Tumblewood wrote:ok i'm back and i caught up to page 25 before skimming this last page. um new stuff: if rsoul is scum i doubt she thinks that posting squiggly nothings is not a good way to get town cred, so imma go with town skynx and damdred have ummmmm good tone rayn is getting into stupid arguments that i think he knows no one can win. i wanna say he's scum but first lemme make sure i didn't make this same read in that other game where i called him scum d1 and i was wrong also: On July 13 2017 21:28 Holyflare wrote: This game is making me glaze over from the boring generic arguments you guys are having. this could be my new sig How does skynx have good tone? cause i read his posts and was like "this guy sounds pretty townie" Show nested quote +On July 15 2017 01:59 Tumblewood wrote: lmao i just read va's ---sick play--- and it is so ridiculous he has to be town. plus on that reveal he just seems so excited ↑More likely mafia!TW making up a story then town!TW actually believing that. Easy vote. Random question "looking dumb.". If anybody is interested. I think in Ver his guide it stands that if you open with this post you are more likely mafia. Show nested quote +On July 16 2017 12:50 Tumblewood wrote: ##vote rels yada yada
a question: are masons ever opposite alignment? cause it seems like they wouldn't necessarily have to be both town or both mafia One mafia down. ##Vote TWGoing to read Skynx next but he is more likely town now. This is a slanting things pretty heavily. TW seems to have made a big hoopla over VA's sick play (which IMO was neither sick nor a play) and called him town for it. It's not unreasonable to vote for someone who you think is less towny than the other guy. That said, minus points to TW too for calling VA town.
On July 17 2017 02:40 Koshi wrote: And TW is not the person who makes those kinda reads. Not 100% on that but I think I am right.
Mafia prefers to work with absolutes. So VA being lock town for being excited is way more likely coming from a mafia than a town. I think this is one of the crucial points of HF's argument.
I'm going to stop commenting now because my brain is fried and my eyes are twitching after being up 22 hours. The best thing I can say is that he's super fucking lazy. I'm going to try and catch a couple hours sleep before the lynch.
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Damdred, leave me some notes if you would. I'll do my best to be up to sheep you in the least.
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I really don't know which side of the fence I want to land on.
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On July 18 2017 05:16 Holyflare wrote: side with the mafia people on koshi Yeah, there's like probably two mafia on Koshi right now. That's not a super hot proposition.
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