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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 06 2017 09:59 GMT
#15
/in
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 08 2017 17:03 GMT
#38
On July 08 2017 18:15 beentheredonethat wrote:
One /cohost and two more /ins, then we're good to go.

Are there any open questions from any side? This is the first time I'm hosting a closed setup, so apologies in advance for any potential blunders.


Show nested quote +
On July 08 2017 06:02 rsoultin wrote:
/in i think? lex is taking me somewhere secret for my bday the 18th-20th but...i doubt that will be a problem if the game starts soon enough lol ><


The game won't start before 14/08 as long as no co-host is in who is willing to host on his own for the initial days as I am staying in the UK during the next week due to work.


Come say hi?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 09 2017 18:58 GMT
#46
Lol fuck Gloucester.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 09 2017 20:24 GMT
#48
It sucks so much I hadn't even heard of it until now.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 11 2017 12:20 GMT
#82
Pre game excuse, I'm walking alpacas.

/confirm
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 12 2017 21:49 GMT
#131
On July 13 2017 06:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i think you're trying a bit too hard for the state of the game but i dont know what it means.


then why even make this comment?

##vote raynpelikoneet
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 12 2017 21:54 GMT
#139
On July 13 2017 06:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On July 13 2017 06:49 Holyflare wrote:
On July 13 2017 06:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i think you're trying a bit too hard for the state of the game but i dont know what it means.


then why even make this comment?

##vote raynpelikoneet

I think youre trying too hard to do something that cannot accomplish anything


No, it's actual a really serious vote. You just made a redundant post that said absolutely nothing and I think you're mafia for it.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 12 2017 21:59 GMT
#145
On July 13 2017 06:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
yuo know holyflare, all my posts so far have been quite redundant if you wanna put it that way. not only the one you "figured out".


Not really, those are off topic useless posts. This one has some semblance of you struggling to fit into the game but actually not being able to. Die mafia.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 12 2017 22:25 GMT
#174
On July 13 2017 07:22 geript wrote:
Hey HF. Find the worst post in the thread up to this point and quote it.


On July 13 2017 06:10 rsoultin wrote:
Lexy kicked me out for hosty reasons pffft. Leave me gifts for morning?

♡s a ruxxy pupil


want to vomit blood

On July 13 2017 06:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i think you're trying a bit too hard for the state of the game but i dont know what it means.


trying to start scum hunting but struggles + rest of filter

he just rolled scum so this "new strat" he's trying is mafia fatigue till he gets in the swing of it and feels like cases/playing again
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 12 2017 22:27 GMT
#178
You aren't allowed to ask me questions.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 12 2017 22:29 GMT
#183
I do what I want.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 13 2017 00:03 GMT
#232
U fooking wut damdred?

Also I like the ruxxar read I have to admit.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 13 2017 05:54 GMT
#321
On July 13 2017 11:04 ruXxar wrote:
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On July 13 2017 10:59 Damdred wrote:
I'm right about geript 100% rayb.

And rux Idk what you want exactly me to take her post and just mark everything as boring? Like it by itself does make her mafia, and it doesn't necessarily even make her mafia. I'd just rather lynch Tina when she acts a certain way over someone like you who I don't know how to read yet and don't have enough information on.


Damdred, you know a lot of people playing mafia.

Why is Tina any more scum than anyone else with low/no posts.

I could apply the same meta read to rels, or VA or tumblewood.

And for a fact I don't even agree with your rsoul meta read of her not doing anything when mafia.

From my own personal experience with her she fights hard even as mafia.

But the fact that you chose her out of all the people in the game to put a scum meta read on makes no sense to me.


How is this any different to what you were doing with Geript?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 13 2017 08:23 GMT
#370
Rsoul has seemingly devolved into a flurry of feminine vomit rather than a mafia player. Artanis has dulled your wit. Still a good vote.

Anyway I'm at work, bye

My feels for today:

Damdred feels off, kinda angry.
Rayn is ok.
EC slipped.
Rsoul looks like mafia saying nothing.
Koshi good sheep.
Geript sensible but doesn't mean much. Maybe good.
Ruxxar spam and lacked follow up on ec. Don't necessarily buy his excuse but will leave him alone to do something else.

Anyone else played yet?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 13 2017 08:23 GMT
#371
Oh tw. Understandably irrelevant.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 13 2017 08:30 GMT
#373
I'm not a misogynist. I just dislike your ott buddy buddy and think it's a mafia ploy. It just so happens to contain hearts and squiggles which are traditionally assigned to females in our current society.

It's also not like you used to play.

Patriarchy strikes again.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 13 2017 08:35 GMT
#375
I don't think I've ever cared about stats. I just care about doing my best.

I am voting for who I think is most likely to be mafia I'm afraid.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 13 2017 08:43 GMT
#380
I did. Damdred feels a bit antagonistic. EC slipped.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 13 2017 08:53 GMT
#386
On July 13 2017 13:56 emperorchampion wrote:
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On July 13 2017 12:02 Tumblewood wrote:
On July 13 2017 11:15 ruXxar wrote:
On July 13 2017 11:09 Tumblewood wrote:
this is my summary of the first 15 pages and what i've found:
rayn and ruxxar, to each other: "nyeh nyeh nyeh nyeh nyeh nyeh nyeh"

(hesitantly i call that a tvt argument. i have ec associations with both of them but that doesn't matter because neither has flipped and neither is likely scum)

rest of the game: [nothing, or like 2 posts that basically amount to nothing]


No scum reads at all. Nothing fishy sticking out to you?

nope not really


This reads like a tient response to me.

Tumble what did you mean re: associative reads regarding me?


Sleeping on it, Rayn is in a bit of a weird spot for me atm. Don't really follow the logic of the dropped "case" since I never really felt there was a case in the first place (another thing that bothered me a bit). Just not 100% convinced that town thinks rux is scum for that.
I did like rayn's post about his thoughts so far (the one in spoilers, on mobile otherwise would link), reflects the thought process I have a lot of the time.

Other things: damdred uninspiring from what I recall reading. His hard defense of a one post person is odd. Feel ok about geript for now, looks open with thoughts. Rux I'm fine with where he's going right now.


This is like the post rayn asked earlier if it was a mafia or a town post. He starts saying he's conflicted on rayn because he doesn't understand his logic. Then he says he liked him because of one post and a mindset he has a lot of the time? It's so weirdly worded. (bolded is slip, who calls the collective town like that?). Kind of a mafia hedge post.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 13 2017 08:56 GMT
#389
The slip is minor in comparison to the hedging dislike.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 13 2017 09:03 GMT
#392
Koshi has a good vote.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 13 2017 09:05 GMT
#393
On July 13 2017 15:54 rsoultin wrote:
to be more specific, i see a waffleface on rayn
a why is damdy hard-defending tina's one post of awesome - oops he was saying lynch her for that
and a prod that to me seemed more aimed at joni than damdy?

so what am i missing here?


Also this post is wrong. Ec is saying damdred hard defended geript and he didn't like it. Which is a good comment to make because it doesn't make sense if you don't know damdred that well.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 13 2017 09:05 GMT
#395
And why is damdred your tip town read?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 13 2017 09:15 GMT
#403
On July 13 2017 18:07 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2017 18:07 rsoultin wrote:
On July 13 2017 18:05 Holyflare wrote:
On July 13 2017 15:54 rsoultin wrote:
to be more specific, i see a waffleface on rayn
a why is damdy hard-defending tina's one post of awesome - oops he was saying lynch her for that
and a prod that to me seemed more aimed at joni than damdy?

so what am i missing here?


Also this post is wrong. Ec is saying damdred hard defended geript and he didn't like it. Which is a good comment to make because it doesn't make sense if you don't know damdred that well.


???


think you should reread that buddy <3


I did. He said damdred feels off for his defence of a person off of one post. That was geript at the time.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 13 2017 09:29 GMT
#409
On July 13 2017 18:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I mean, i think geript is doing the gumshoe incident thingy™ where he is not trying to figure out who is mafia rather than saying things he thinks town wants to hear.


I can get behind that. More thread coppy than giving reads. Literally trying to disprove things to you while town reading you. Waste of time.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 13 2017 09:57 GMT
#424
Yeah but why is damdred town?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 13 2017 10:01 GMT
#426
Not since you stated it and I asked why.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 13 2017 10:02 GMT
#427
On July 13 2017 18:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It's the way he presents the geript read, regardless of if he is right or wrong it makes him town.


Oh you mean this. Don't agree.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 13 2017 10:03 GMT
#429
Damdred knows what his own meta is. He probably has some kind of meta with geript. I don't think it's out there for him to fake that kind of read if he's mafia.

Still feel like damdred was uncharacteristically annoyed somehow.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 13 2017 10:06 GMT
#430
On July 13 2017 14:54 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2017 11:04 ruXxar wrote:
On July 13 2017 10:59 Damdred wrote:
I'm right about geript 100% rayb.

And rux Idk what you want exactly me to take her post and just mark everything as boring? Like it by itself does make her mafia, and it doesn't necessarily even make her mafia. I'd just rather lynch Tina when she acts a certain way over someone like you who I don't know how to read yet and don't have enough information on.


Damdred, you know a lot of people playing mafia.

Why is Tina any more scum than anyone else with low/no posts.

I could apply the same meta read to rels, or VA or tumblewood.

And for a fact I don't even agree with your rsoul meta read of her not doing anything when mafia.

From my own personal experience with her she fights hard even as mafia.

But the fact that you chose her out of all the people in the game to put a scum meta read on makes no sense to me.


How is this any different to what you were doing with Geript?


This is a good post though. Ruxxar gets called out for poeing geript out of players that are playing. Throws a hissy fit when called out.

Then calls out damdred for not thinking about low/no post people.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 13 2017 10:10 GMT
#432
We'll have to disagree then. I put much more weight into damdred's ability as mafia. I think he could definitely know geript is town and bend a read to fit his thought process.

I also think it's extremely uncharacteristic of damdred to throw out that many reasons on his read on geript this early whereas normally he just has a few feels and sticks to those instead.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 13 2017 10:23 GMT
#440
On July 13 2017 19:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2017 09:30 Damdred wrote:
A super strong town read (rayn)
.

Show nested quote +
On July 13 2017 10:59 Damdred wrote:
I'm right about geript 100% rayb.

And rux Idk what you want exactly me to take her post and just mark everything as boring? Like it by itself does make her mafia, and it doesn't necessarily even make her mafia. I'd just rather lynch Tina when she acts a certain way over someone like you who I don't know how to read yet and don't have enough information on.

Damdred, elaborate please.... This doesn't make any sense, you either think you have a read on me or you don't. You're saying both here.


He's talking to ruxxar.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 13 2017 11:39 GMT
#460
On July 13 2017 20:11 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2017 19:06 Holyflare wrote:
On July 13 2017 14:54 Holyflare wrote:
On July 13 2017 11:04 ruXxar wrote:
On July 13 2017 10:59 Damdred wrote:
I'm right about geript 100% rayb.

And rux Idk what you want exactly me to take her post and just mark everything as boring? Like it by itself does make her mafia, and it doesn't necessarily even make her mafia. I'd just rather lynch Tina when she acts a certain way over someone like you who I don't know how to read yet and don't have enough information on.


Damdred, you know a lot of people playing mafia.

Why is Tina any more scum than anyone else with low/no posts.

I could apply the same meta read to rels, or VA or tumblewood.

And for a fact I don't even agree with your rsoul meta read of her not doing anything when mafia.

From my own personal experience with her she fights hard even as mafia.

But the fact that you chose her out of all the people in the game to put a scum meta read on makes no sense to me.


How is this any different to what you were doing with Geript?


This is a good post though. Ruxxar gets called out for poeing geript out of players that are playing. Throws a hissy fit when called out.

Then calls out damdred for not thinking about low/no post people.


You are confused.

I called out geript for looking for targets to sheep.

I called out damdred for attributing a meta a meta scum read to rsoul when there are plenty of people to attribute scum meta reads to who have no or very low post count.


And who would those people be?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 13 2017 11:41 GMT
#461
On July 13 2017 20:11 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2017 19:06 Holyflare wrote:
On July 13 2017 14:54 Holyflare wrote:
On July 13 2017 11:04 ruXxar wrote:
On July 13 2017 10:59 Damdred wrote:
I'm right about geript 100% rayb.

And rux Idk what you want exactly me to take her post and just mark everything as boring? Like it by itself does make her mafia, and it doesn't necessarily even make her mafia. I'd just rather lynch Tina when she acts a certain way over someone like you who I don't know how to read yet and don't have enough information on.


Damdred, you know a lot of people playing mafia.

Why is Tina any more scum than anyone else with low/no posts.

I could apply the same meta read to rels, or VA or tumblewood.

And for a fact I don't even agree with your rsoul meta read of her not doing anything when mafia.

From my own personal experience with her she fights hard even as mafia.

But the fact that you chose her out of all the people in the game to put a scum meta read on makes no sense to me.


How is this any different to what you were doing with Geript?


This is a good post though. Ruxxar gets called out for poeing geript out of players that are playing. Throws a hissy fit when called out.

Then calls out damdred for not thinking about low/no post people.


You are confused.

I called out geript for looking for targets to sheep.

I called out damdred for attributing a meta a meta scum read to rsoul when there are plenty of people to attribute scum meta reads to who have no or very low post count.


Yes but the point is your argument that you fought against rayn was that "oh geript is scummy by poe out of the people that posted because what is the point of reading 0 post players!"

Then you are confused why dandred isn't targeting 0 post players.

Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 13 2017 11:50 GMT
#469
On July 13 2017 08:08 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2017 08:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 13 2017 08:01 ruXxar wrote:
And if geript is lynched I wouldn't shed a single tear.

On July 13 2017 08:03 ruXxar wrote:
He looks worse than the rest.
Aka Poe so far.

I am gonna say this is a big pile of bullshit because half of the game hasn't even posted yet so you -- as town -- can't have a single idea of if geript is town or mafia by PoE.


This statement is clearly bullshit because I can only Poe people that have posted so far.

Also, 1+1 = 2, more news at 11.


You posted this.

Why couldn't damdred do the same?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 13 2017 11:53 GMT
#473
Oh baby some good points.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 13 2017 11:55 GMT
#475
On July 13 2017 20:53 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2017 20:50 Holyflare wrote:
On July 13 2017 08:08 ruXxar wrote:
On July 13 2017 08:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 13 2017 08:01 ruXxar wrote:
And if geript is lynched I wouldn't shed a single tear.

On July 13 2017 08:03 ruXxar wrote:
He looks worse than the rest.
Aka Poe so far.

I am gonna say this is a big pile of bullshit because half of the game hasn't even posted yet so you -- as town -- can't have a single idea of if geript is town or mafia by PoE.


This statement is clearly bullshit because I can only Poe people that have posted so far.

Also, 1+1 = 2, more news at 11.


You posted this.

Why couldn't damdred do the same?


Because damdred clearly said he wanted to lynch rsoul based on meta activity and *not* based on the post she actually made.

There's an important distinction here that is crucial to my argument.


His read was nothing about activity. It was dull, boring and not interactive.

Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 13 2017 11:59 GMT
#477
Hey rayn. If you thought the case ruxxar posted to ec was good and ec didn't answer it properly why do you not engage ec on it?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 13 2017 12:02 GMT
#480
On July 13 2017 20:59 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2017 20:55 Holyflare wrote:
On July 13 2017 20:53 ruXxar wrote:
On July 13 2017 20:50 Holyflare wrote:
On July 13 2017 08:08 ruXxar wrote:
On July 13 2017 08:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 13 2017 08:01 ruXxar wrote:
And if geript is lynched I wouldn't shed a single tear.

On July 13 2017 08:03 ruXxar wrote:
He looks worse than the rest.
Aka Poe so far.

I am gonna say this is a big pile of bullshit because half of the game hasn't even posted yet so you -- as town -- can't have a single idea of if geript is town or mafia by PoE.


This statement is clearly bullshit because I can only Poe people that have posted so far.

Also, 1+1 = 2, more news at 11.


You posted this.

Why couldn't damdred do the same?


Because damdred clearly said he wanted to lynch rsoul based on meta activity and *not* based on the post she actually made.

There's an important distinction here that is crucial to my argument.


His read was nothing about activity. It was dull, boring and not interactive.



... how is that not about activity?


Because I could post 20 pages of filter and still be dull, boring and not interactive??

It doesn't matter anymore though because it clearly means activity to you so my point is moot. Carry on.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 13 2017 12:03 GMT
#484
On July 13 2017 21:02 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2017 20:55 Holyflare wrote:
On July 13 2017 20:53 ruXxar wrote:
On July 13 2017 20:50 Holyflare wrote:
On July 13 2017 08:08 ruXxar wrote:
On July 13 2017 08:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 13 2017 08:01 ruXxar wrote:
And if geript is lynched I wouldn't shed a single tear.

On July 13 2017 08:03 ruXxar wrote:
He looks worse than the rest.
Aka Poe so far.

I am gonna say this is a big pile of bullshit because half of the game hasn't even posted yet so you -- as town -- can't have a single idea of if geript is town or mafia by PoE.


This statement is clearly bullshit because I can only Poe people that have posted so far.

Also, 1+1 = 2, more news at 11.


You posted this.

Why couldn't damdred do the same?


Because damdred clearly said he wanted to lynch rsoul based on meta activity and *not* based on the post she actually made.

There's an important distinction here that is crucial to my argument.


His read was nothing about activity. It was dull, boring and not interactive.



How is a person with 1 post supposed to be "interactive"?


Make a read and interact with a person instead of saying hi and leaving. It's not that she has one post but what she did with her time here that he's commenting on.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 13 2017 12:05 GMT
#486
On July 13 2017 21:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
what i mean is i don't think that makes EC mafia, but i think it is a townie observation to make, it is a townie makes that observation like 70% of the time regardless of it's truth value.


So we're in the 30% right now?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 13 2017 12:05 GMT
#487
Give me a quick one line read list rayn.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 13 2017 12:11 GMT
#492
On July 13 2017 21:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2017 21:05 Holyflare wrote:
Give me a quick one line read list rayn.


emperorchampion
Skynx
Damdred - i am going to agree with Koshi here
Koshi
Holyflare

VayneAuthority - hasn't posted

Rels - boooring
Tumblewood - booring, can't tell, he does these retarded "i see an argument -> i am just gonna say it's tvt" as both alignment

sicklucker - not sure for reasons i dont wanna discuss yet

rsoultin
geript
ruXxar


You're going to agree with koshi despite what I said?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 13 2017 12:28 GMT
#507
This game is making me glaze over from the boring generic arguments you guys are having.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 13 2017 12:44 GMT
#520
On July 13 2017 21:38 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2017 21:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 13 2017 21:35 sicklucker wrote:
On July 13 2017 21:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 13 2017 21:19 sicklucker wrote:
Why did you not take my bait and react when I voted you?

because i know it was a bait and doesnt accomplish anything

i am trying to figure out why you say this:
On July 13 2017 18:37 sicklucker wrote:
my only problem with voting rexxar this early is that he was such a easy town read with volumn last game. does not seem like your greatest day one lynch

On July 13 2017 18:46 sicklucker wrote:
holy shit rstoulins posts are annoying but in a trying to be cute way. someones been posting somewhere

and then vote for ruxxar instead?


Well like I said I took your advice and went with you for now as I dont have anyone better yet. Why did you post that rsoulin quote? I said shes annoying not mafia. I used to town read rstoulin by how annoying she is but that was along time ago. by somewhere i mean I assume she changed her posting style since I last played with her and has been chatting with lex or on another forum or some shit because thats not her old posting style.

She used to be like a rugged hyena now shes trying to be a princess

Oh i thought you thought she is mafia.
But i also think you clearly said you don't wanna lynch ruxxar.
So you're just sheeping?


I mean at the time I made that vote I thought the deadline was in a few hours and I had a full day ahead of me. beggers cant be choosers. but I think I got another 24 hours to read random spew and pray we lynch mafia more then average


You thought the deadline was in a few hours even though you just confirmed last night?
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July 13 2017 13:09 GMT
#527
Call me Tina, baby.
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#532
On July 13 2017 22:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
This is a response to Holyflare's post where he at least implies he thinks i am mafia.
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2017 07:29 geript wrote:
I think you might be right on Rayn btw, but my reasons are better

Show nested quote +
On July 13 2017 09:56 geript wrote:
On July 13 2017 09:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 13 2017 09:07 Damdred wrote:
I think geript is town for these reasons

1) he has no real motivation as scum. Look at his previous games and as scum he's a leader and always have a plan.

Here he's just eh.

2) He leaves himself in bad positions with his opinions. Like his opening post had no real logic behind it which us a town trait for geript early. As scum he could of fakes a reason instead he went eh Idk.

3) I just know he's town this game. (Imo)

1) i am gonna check this out in a bit
2) i disagree, there is logic, always, it is either scum or town logic. the last sentence i am not sure of if he is just trying to play me or what... i genuinely dont understand why he has "no comment" on his read, since there is always a reason, jsut like if you have a "i have a read on this guy but the reason is bad" - reasoning, there is always a reason
3) mhm.

There's always a reason for my reads as any alignment. But as Town, sometimes it takes me a while to figure out what that reason is.

One thing that through me off a bit was your post here:
On July 13 2017 07:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
try to tell why geript

It's a really bad post from you and at the time the worst post in the thread. Like if I'm scum, I'm waiting for a post like this so I get to control the dialogue in the direction I want. As Town, sometime I just haven't figured out what seems off yet. Plus, as Town, I'm not going to be like, "well this dude is obv scum but I'm not gonna tell you why."
Then you had this post:
On July 13 2017 08:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 13 2017 08:44 Damdred wrote:
On July 13 2017 07:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
geript is actually also prolly mafia
´


He's totally town brah

i do not think so. he wants holyflare to be town instead of wanting to know if holyflare is town.
i think it makes him scum.

Which is also really bad. If I'm scum, I want HF to be scum. I in no way want HF to be Town because he just fucking dominates discussion and shits over all my carefully laid out plans and I can't really fuck with him too much the way I can fuck with you or Damdred. Like me wanting HF to be Town is true, but that's by I'm Town. Scum HF is a royal Pain in the ass.

Like I think you're town because of you're read on Rux, but like I said before I don't think it makes Rux scum.

what is geript doing here?
he thinks i might be mafia for some unclaimed reason that is not in the latter post but instead of laying out the reason he calls me town and lists other reasons why i am off?

Holyflare, a question:
Is it just my bad english but what do you make of this:
"if i am scum i want holyflare to be scum"? who says that? like how does that make any sense, do you think if geript is mafia (let's assume he is town here and telling the truth) he wants to bring up a big shitfight between you two for basically any reason (that's how i read it in case he is town).


Basically if he's mafia he wants me to be mafia because I'm good at diverting the thread and shit fighting distractions.
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#533
On July 13 2017 22:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
btw i might be in london december 22th if the stars fall right, then i can call you tina all night


:D
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#567
On July 13 2017 22:43 VayneAuthority wrote:
I am fairly certain either ruxxar or holyflare is mafia, leaning towards ruxxar.


Riveting.
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#570
That's what this game was sorely lacking though. Someone calling me mafia.
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#580
You don't want to reveal why we should lynch mafia? Pointless vote then isn't it?
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July 13 2017 14:21 GMT
#584
I'm not even doing anything this game and I'm 90% certain I'm gonna get nkd. That's how poorly you guys are playing.
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July 13 2017 14:24 GMT
#589
Koshi doesn't even have real reads. Must be mafia cos he sucks right now.
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#591
##vote koshi
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#592
Also I don't care about the meta read. Still scum read EC.
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#596
On July 13 2017 23:28 VayneAuthority wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2017 23:26 Holyflare wrote:
Also I don't care about the meta read. Still scum read EC.


if you were a cop would you check EC?


Not after you've mentioned him. Also yes.
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July 13 2017 14:38 GMT
#602
At least I get to call rayn very very likely town now.
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July 13 2017 16:37 GMT
#642
I'm hard claiming not blue by the way.
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July 13 2017 16:57 GMT
#647
This game is a massive snooze fest. Rsoul yearns for my attention and then does absolutely nothing with it
Repeatedly references making people do stuff but then only talked about koshi doing nothing and her EC read.

Her EC read is based on EC hedging but rayn already explained the hedging is what he does as town (skeptical still but I haven't read them) and she hasn't acknowledged it, updated her read or even bothered to do anything else.

She's way too ott buddy buddy and not grr Rsoul. Basically sl copying my read but making a nice summary of "princess". Also has a bad damd town pass because damd thinks she's mafia for his afk rsoul read even though she says if he's mafia it's not true.

Lynch plz.

Could also support the va lynch in unison. Count me as double voting.
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July 13 2017 16:59 GMT
#649
On July 14 2017 00:25 Damdred wrote:
Geript is always awesome town, my partner in crime and we will ride till I die.

Rayn is pretty sexy town in this situation. Has all the fun rayn towns.

Sl is town now (For now). He just cared to much in a short burst for him to be mafia d1 do me, even if hes lying about the mistake that is.

Tina is interesting, part of me thinks that she is a bit fake in what she is doing. And it seemed to be a bit antagonistic towards hf which she generally does more as scum. Overall I'm a bit torn about her but would put a scum lean on her just from a tonal and content point of view.


Hf is interesting but I'm holding cards to chest on this one. I sort of think town, but for okish reasons.

I'm unsure of ec, some of his stuff is just kinda meh here.

Rux I sort of think is still town just says stud that digs him deeper and doesn't want to turn around from it. I kinda find it more town that stubbornness cause there's no point in keep in him going.



Why are you unsure of her when you say everything she is doing is mafia rsoul?
Holyflare
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July 13 2017 17:04 GMT
#650
In your view it's:

Content - mafia
Tone - mafia

But still unsure?? What else is there to be more sure on?
Holyflare
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July 13 2017 17:09 GMT
#652
Stop being boring
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#658
On July 14 2017 02:18 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2017 02:09 Holyflare wrote:
Stop being boring


I feel like you're holding back since you actually want to live past N1.


I'm not holding back anything, I just have little motivation.
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July 13 2017 17:27 GMT
#660
And I'm the leader of the lynch rsoul train and have never faltered. Where will you be when mafia rsoultidamdred flip?
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#661
Me?
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July 13 2017 17:51 GMT
#672
On July 14 2017 02:30 Skynx wrote:
Ja. If you hate getting N1'd why not smurf?


I don't hate getting N1'd and when I smurf I just get shot anyway lol.
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#740
On July 14 2017 05:17 rsoultin wrote:
also just fyi no matter my alignment you boys really have to realize that the sexist shit is totally not okay. we're all here to have fun, not be belittled for our genitalia

not gonna call anyone out but there's a reason i remember these things months later and the list keeps growing bigger


Classic woman.
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July 13 2017 21:03 GMT
#741
Rsoul/rayn/geript
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July 13 2017 21:05 GMT
#745
Ruxxar/skynx/va switch with damdred outlier
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July 13 2017 21:07 GMT
#746
I forgot rels posted some excuse. Add him there too.
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#749
No?
Holyflare
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July 13 2017 21:13 GMT
#751
First three are town reads
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July 13 2017 21:16 GMT
#754
Cool story.

I don't buy it. His rsoul read looks fucking suspicious now I think rsoul is town.
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#756
On July 14 2017 01:59 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2017 00:25 Damdred wrote:
Geript is always awesome town, my partner in crime and we will ride till I die.

Rayn is pretty sexy town in this situation. Has all the fun rayn towns.

Sl is town now (For now). He just cared to much in a short burst for him to be mafia d1 do me, even if hes lying about the mistake that is.

Tina is interesting, part of me thinks that she is a bit fake in what she is doing. And it seemed to be a bit antagonistic towards hf which she generally does more as scum. Overall I'm a bit torn about her but would put a scum lean on her just from a tonal and content point of view.


Hf is interesting but I'm holding cards to chest on this one. I sort of think town, but for okish reasons.

I'm unsure of ec, some of his stuff is just kinda meh here.

Rux I sort of think is still town just says stud that digs him deeper and doesn't want to turn around from it. I kinda find it more town that stubbornness cause there's no point in keep in him going.



Why are you unsure of her when you say everything she is doing is mafia rsoul?

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July 13 2017 21:20 GMT
#758
I'm adding ec to my town list. Deal with it.
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July 13 2017 21:22 GMT
#759
Rels
ruXxar
Tumblewood
Koshi
VayneAuthority
Damdred
Skynx
sicklucker

Play better please.
Holyflare
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July 13 2017 21:23 GMT
#761
Sicklucker why haven't you said you town read me yet? You're basically sheeping my reads.
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July 13 2017 21:46 GMT
#764
On July 14 2017 06:05 Holyflare wrote:
Ruxxar/skynx/va switch with damdred outlier


I did there. He's in my list now.
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#765
Honestly I can see townies do everything you've listed though.

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July 13 2017 22:11 GMT
#766
VA is definitely the best vote right now. He opens with mafia meta as a "trick" for reactions but the only person he would catch is rayn with that who was already vaguely town read. He also got a bad reaction from baiting ruxxar but didn't vote him. He also pre-emptively stated it was a bait before being scum read which we all know he doesn't usually give a shit about.

In fact VA is uncharacteristically not on any outlying wagon. More concerned with how he looks than anything.
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#767
Well whatever
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#768
On July 14 2017 06:22 Holyflare wrote:
Rels
ruXxar
Tumblewood
Koshi
VayneAuthority
Damdred
Skynx
sicklucker

Play better please.


I'm gonna stop looking so good. Step up.
Holyflare
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July 13 2017 22:20 GMT
#769
I'm removing rsoul from my town list. I just can't bring myself to keep her there. No way she has me in a list of people she wants to lynch with Koshi and EC when the only time in the game she's interacted with me was when she saw that I had the same thoughts on EC as her

"can't remember what he wrote" is garbage
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July 13 2017 22:24 GMT
#770
Dead game. I'll be on tomorrow if I can be bothered to bring myself to open this lacklustre thread.
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July 14 2017 08:18 GMT
#815
I'm not mafia though that's what you all need to take from this.

Definitely not blue either.
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#817
On July 14 2017 07:20 Holyflare wrote:
I'm removing rsoul from my town list. I just can't bring myself to keep her there. No way she has me in a list of people she wants to lynch with Koshi and EC when the only time in the game she's interacted with me was when she saw that I had the same thoughts on EC as her

"can't remember what he wrote" is garbage


Nobody gonna mention this?
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July 14 2017 08:20 GMT
#818
Also the reasons I'm voting va are sheeping koshi's points and rayn but why isn't koshi voting va?
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#822
On July 14 2017 17:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2017 17:19 Holyflare wrote:
On July 14 2017 07:20 Holyflare wrote:
I'm removing rsoul from my town list. I just can't bring myself to keep her there. No way she has me in a list of people she wants to lynch with Koshi and EC when the only time in the game she's interacted with me was when she saw that I had the same thoughts on EC as her

"can't remember what he wrote" is garbage


Nobody gonna mention this?

I don't think it is her mafia play to make a scumlist of 2 people who she basically cannot lynch in any way at this point of the game and one person who she isn't really even trying to lynch. Unless ofc we are complete garbage atm as a town.


Hmmm

You make good points, sir. Very well.
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July 14 2017 08:28 GMT
#823
All right. Now that rsoultin is town again damdred is confirmed mafia for that bull shit he wrote about rsoul.
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July 14 2017 08:29 GMT
#824
On July 14 2017 01:59 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2017 00:25 Damdred wrote:
Geript is always awesome town, my partner in crime and we will ride till I die.

Rayn is pretty sexy town in this situation. Has all the fun rayn towns.

Sl is town now (For now). He just cared to much in a short burst for him to be mafia d1 do me, even if hes lying about the mistake that is.

Tina is interesting, part of me thinks that she is a bit fake in what she is doing. And it seemed to be a bit antagonistic towards hf which she generally does more as scum. Overall I'm a bit torn about her but would put a scum lean on her just from a tonal and content point of view.


Hf is interesting but I'm holding cards to chest on this one. I sort of think town, but for okish reasons.

I'm unsure of ec, some of his stuff is just kinda meh here.

Rux I sort of think is still town just says stud that digs him deeper and doesn't want to turn around from it. I kinda find it more town that stubbornness cause there's no point in keep in him going.



Why are you unsure of her when you say everything she is doing is mafia rsoul?


Open the spoiler. Read the bolded bit on rsoul with the mind that she's town. Why is he posting a million reasons she's mafia but then adding that he's torn? It's because it gives him an out and she's town and he knows it.
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July 14 2017 08:33 GMT
#825
Also there's a problem I have with reading ruxxar. I had it last game from obs too that all his reads are definites and 100% and that makes me scum read him but it's what he did as town last game too.

But then he said he's trying to improve his reads so I think he'd be a little more hesitant on that. I don't know. I'm super hedging.
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July 14 2017 08:34 GMT
#826
Also if you have any uncertainty over my alignment you should say why now rayn because you'll die tonight most likely and then I'll have an onslaught of accusations.
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July 14 2017 08:37 GMT
#828
She's being real subpar, I don't think she'd call damdred anything.
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#830
And I don't want to base a damdred read on a bs gut read from another player. I want it based on the player's posts. If damdred knows rsoul is town and won't give up without a fight then he's given an out to get out. That's exactly what that post looks like.
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July 14 2017 08:39 GMT
#832
I'm killing you tonight and then lynching damdred. Deal with ittttt.
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July 14 2017 08:45 GMT
#835
Maybe :D

It might just be fucking boring rels/va someone tbh.
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July 14 2017 08:46 GMT
#836
It's a shame koshi isn't very good at this game though. Has like 1 correct read. Bad.
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July 14 2017 09:23 GMT
#842
I did talk to you?
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July 14 2017 09:24 GMT
#843
If va is town then ruxxar is mafia btw.
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#844
Yeah it's terrible association but that's the way I'm playing now.
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#849
Ruxxar why aren't you voting va?

Why did you defend va when he literally said himself it's his mafia meta?
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#856
On July 14 2017 19:00 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2017 18:44 geript wrote:
Plus you being all over the fucking place in your filter. Like being a mirror to who's in the thread at the time. Funny thing about it is that I see this more often from Town but I always find it scum.


All over the place as in?

My vote record has been straight as an arrow.
I always place my vote where I believe it's most likely to hit mafia at any current time.

With me what you see is what you get.
My vote has gone koshi -> skynx.
Clear as day.



Maybe I'm repeating the same mistake I did from last game by calling it bad/uninformed town, but skynx is not my #1 lynch today.


On July 14 2017 08:17 ruXxar wrote:
Basically I'm willing to give him a chance, but if I keep seeing a pattern of cases that misrepresents actual thread events my opinion will change real quick.


Then what is this shit?

Biggest out in history. You're not even committed to it.
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#857
On July 14 2017 19:11 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2017 18:46 Holyflare wrote:
Ruxxar why aren't you voting va?

Why did you defend va when he literally said himself it's his mafia meta?


Because as much as VA looks bad, I don't necessarily see mafia motivation behind his post.

Skynx case on Rayn has all the signs of being a mafia driven post.
To people who didn't pay attention to the thread it looks like a aging town case.
To people who read the thread you can see all the small holes in the information presented.

It's basically a deja vu of how btdt cased skynx last game
.


There's an incredibly stark contrast between my last post quotes and this. You at first don't even think he's mafia and give him an out. Now it's obvious mafia and similar to btdt??
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July 14 2017 10:22 GMT
#858
I also can't fathom your VA read in the slightest. At first it's oh maybe he has trouble interacting with people.

Then you got told he doesn't.

Then it's oh, maybe he's trying something new as town.

But it's his mafia meta and he admitted it.

Then there's no mafia motivation to do his mafia meta.

??????
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July 14 2017 11:11 GMT
#873
On July 14 2017 20:06 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2017 19:18 Holyflare wrote:
On July 14 2017 19:11 ruXxar wrote:
On July 14 2017 18:46 Holyflare wrote:
Ruxxar why aren't you voting va?

Why did you defend va when he literally said himself it's his mafia meta?


Because as much as VA looks bad, I don't necessarily see mafia motivation behind his post.

Skynx case on Rayn has all the signs of being a mafia driven post.
To people who didn't pay attention to the thread it looks like a aging town case.
To people who read the thread you can see all the small holes in the information presented.

It's basically a deja vu of how btdt cased skynx last game
.


There's an incredibly stark contrast between my last post quotes and this. You at first don't even think he's mafia and give him an out. Now it's obvious mafia and similar to btdt??


Skynx case on Rayn was flawed and I've always said that.

The only point of contention is whether he did it intentionally as mafia or as misguided town.


And why is it more mafia now?? I don't even think the case is great on skynx.

And why is va still not mafia when your point about having no mafia agenda is proven false by the fact it's his mafia meta?
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July 14 2017 11:12 GMT
#874
On July 14 2017 20:10 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2017 19:22 Holyflare wrote:
I also can't fathom your VA read in the slightest. At first it's oh maybe he has trouble interacting with people.

Then you got told he doesn't.

Then it's oh, maybe he's trying something new as town.

But it's his mafia meta and he admitted it.

Then there's no mafia motivation to do his mafia meta.

??????


Then tell me, what is the mafia motivation behind VAs posts?

Because even though he looks really bad/weird I can't see any clear mafia driven agenda behind it.

Whereas in skynx case I've seen mafia make that exact kind of posts before.


Why does it need "agenda"?

It's
His
Mafia
Meta

Even admitted it himself when he got caught out!
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July 14 2017 11:17 GMT
#876
Probably town. Weak though.
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July 14 2017 11:19 GMT
#879
Dunno just like what he's pushing? Even though it's wrong and bad. His poe list is pretty much mine too.

Seems bit carefree?

Like I said bit weak.
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July 14 2017 11:24 GMT
#884
On July 14 2017 20:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2017 20:19 Holyflare wrote:
Dunno just like what he's pushing? Even though it's wrong and bad. His poe list is pretty much mine too.

Seems bit carefree?

Like I said bit weak.

wait what is his poe list?


Dunno like 7 people :D

So admittedly really not hard to be mafia. Just doesn't feel that scummy to me idk. Gut.
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July 14 2017 11:25 GMT
#886
Skynx and ruxxar are in my poe list :D
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July 14 2017 11:28 GMT
#889
Skynx so mad
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July 14 2017 11:38 GMT
#897
On July 14 2017 20:32 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2017 20:11 Holyflare wrote:
On July 14 2017 20:06 ruXxar wrote:
On July 14 2017 19:18 Holyflare wrote:
On July 14 2017 19:11 ruXxar wrote:
On July 14 2017 18:46 Holyflare wrote:
Ruxxar why aren't you voting va?

Why did you defend va when he literally said himself it's his mafia meta?


Because as much as VA looks bad, I don't necessarily see mafia motivation behind his post.

Skynx case on Rayn has all the signs of being a mafia driven post.
To people who didn't pay attention to the thread it looks like a aging town case.
To people who read the thread you can see all the small holes in the information presented.

It's basically a deja vu of how btdt cased skynx last game
.


There's an incredibly stark contrast between my last post quotes and this. You at first don't even think he's mafia and give him an out. Now it's obvious mafia and similar to btdt??


Skynx case on Rayn was flawed and I've always said that.

The only point of contention is whether he did it intentionally as mafia or as misguided town.


And why is it more mafia now?? I don't even think the case is great on skynx.

And why is va still not mafia when your point about having no mafia agenda is proven false by the fact it's his mafia meta?


I don't care what VA says about himself.
I care about what he does and why he would do those things.

Right now he's not doing much of anything, which means he could be lumped into a pile of looks bad but no clear agenda.


Are you even reading the same fucking thread dude?

Koshi/rayn jumpes on va for being mafia so fast and called him mafia for doing his mafia meta. He is forced to claim it's his meta at this point.

So his agenda is he's pushing his mafia meta.

Literally I can't comprehend what you're saying. It blows my mind so much that you have to be mafia.

What he DID DO was his usual mafia agenda!!!


So let me ask again. Why are you saying there's no mafia agenda? Why does all mafia have to have any other agenda than "live"?
Holyflare
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July 14 2017 11:49 GMT
#908
On July 14 2017 20:39 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2017 20:31 Skynx wrote:
On July 14 2017 20:11 Holyflare wrote:
On July 14 2017 20:06 ruXxar wrote:
On July 14 2017 19:18 Holyflare wrote:
On July 14 2017 19:11 ruXxar wrote:
On July 14 2017 18:46 Holyflare wrote:
Ruxxar why aren't you voting va?

Why did you defend va when he literally said himself it's his mafia meta?


Because as much as VA looks bad, I don't necessarily see mafia motivation behind his post.

Skynx case on Rayn has all the signs of being a mafia driven post.
To people who didn't pay attention to the thread it looks like a aging town case.
To people who read the thread you can see all the small holes in the information presented.

It's basically a deja vu of how btdt cased skynx last game
.


There's an incredibly stark contrast between my last post quotes and this. You at first don't even think he's mafia and give him an out. Now it's obvious mafia and similar to btdt??


Skynx case on Rayn was flawed and I've always said that.

The only point of contention is whether he did it intentionally as mafia or as misguided town.


And why is it more mafia now?? I don't even think the case is great on skynx.

And why is va still not mafia when your point about having no mafia agenda is proven false by the fact it's his mafia meta?

Ruxxar is prolly mafia cuz of this aswell, I mean if you always thought my case was analytical but bullshit at the same time, sr me for it or something. Now that there is a case it looks very opportunistic to jump on me while claiming oh i always had the same thoughts on him.


I didn't SR you right away since I have a soft spot/blindside for "bad town".

I've now decided to see what happens when I go against that intuition, breaking that barrier.


So you think he's bad town but you're calling him mafia just because you feel like you should?
Holyflare
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July 14 2017 11:51 GMT
#909
On July 14 2017 20:46 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2017 20:38 Holyflare wrote:
On July 14 2017 20:32 ruXxar wrote:
On July 14 2017 20:11 Holyflare wrote:
On July 14 2017 20:06 ruXxar wrote:
On July 14 2017 19:18 Holyflare wrote:
On July 14 2017 19:11 ruXxar wrote:
On July 14 2017 18:46 Holyflare wrote:
Ruxxar why aren't you voting va?

Why did you defend va when he literally said himself it's his mafia meta?


Because as much as VA looks bad, I don't necessarily see mafia motivation behind his post.

Skynx case on Rayn has all the signs of being a mafia driven post.
To people who didn't pay attention to the thread it looks like a aging town case.
To people who read the thread you can see all the small holes in the information presented.

It's basically a deja vu of how btdt cased skynx last game
.


There's an incredibly stark contrast between my last post quotes and this. You at first don't even think he's mafia and give him an out. Now it's obvious mafia and similar to btdt??


Skynx case on Rayn was flawed and I've always said that.

The only point of contention is whether he did it intentionally as mafia or as misguided town.


And why is it more mafia now?? I don't even think the case is great on skynx.

And why is va still not mafia when your point about having no mafia agenda is proven false by the fact it's his mafia meta?


I don't care what VA says about himself.
I care about what he does and why he would do those things.

Right now he's not doing much of anything, which means he could be lumped into a pile of looks bad but no clear agenda.


Are you even reading the same fucking thread dude?

Koshi/rayn jumpes on va for being mafia so fast and called him mafia for doing his mafia meta. He is forced to claim it's his meta at this point.

So his agenda is he's pushing his mafia meta.

Literally I can't comprehend what you're saying. It blows my mind so much that you have to be mafia.

What he DID DO was his usual mafia agenda!!!


So let me ask again. Why are you saying there's no mafia agenda? Why does all mafia have to have any other agenda than "live"?


Every persons macro agenda, town or scum is to "live".

That doesn't mean mafia don't have other goals such as misdirecting town or trying to gain town credit.


Holy fucking shit you're just mafia. There's no other explanation for this.
Holyflare
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July 14 2017 12:50 GMT
#923
Where is rels?
Holyflare
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July 14 2017 12:52 GMT
#925
On July 14 2017 21:49 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2017 20:49 Holyflare wrote:
On July 14 2017 20:39 ruXxar wrote:
On July 14 2017 20:31 Skynx wrote:
On July 14 2017 20:11 Holyflare wrote:
On July 14 2017 20:06 ruXxar wrote:
On July 14 2017 19:18 Holyflare wrote:
On July 14 2017 19:11 ruXxar wrote:
On July 14 2017 18:46 Holyflare wrote:
Ruxxar why aren't you voting va?

Why did you defend va when he literally said himself it's his mafia meta?


Because as much as VA looks bad, I don't necessarily see mafia motivation behind his post.

Skynx case on Rayn has all the signs of being a mafia driven post.
To people who didn't pay attention to the thread it looks like a aging town case.
To people who read the thread you can see all the small holes in the information presented.

It's basically a deja vu of how btdt cased skynx last game
.


There's an incredibly stark contrast between my last post quotes and this. You at first don't even think he's mafia and give him an out. Now it's obvious mafia and similar to btdt??


Skynx case on Rayn was flawed and I've always said that.

The only point of contention is whether he did it intentionally as mafia or as misguided town.


And why is it more mafia now?? I don't even think the case is great on skynx.

And why is va still not mafia when your point about having no mafia agenda is proven false by the fact it's his mafia meta?

Ruxxar is prolly mafia cuz of this aswell, I mean if you always thought my case was analytical but bullshit at the same time, sr me for it or something. Now that there is a case it looks very opportunistic to jump on me while claiming oh i always had the same thoughts on him.


I didn't SR you right away since I have a soft spot/blindside for "bad town".

I've now decided to see what happens when I go against that intuition, breaking that barrier.


So you think he's bad town but you're calling him mafia just because you feel like you should?


No, i think his case on Rayn is bad, and I can see why mafia would make such a post.


And why can't town make such a post? You quite easily thought a bad town skynx could make it so why is it suddenly a mafia skynx?

Where's the difference? You even state yourself it's a terribly low percentage play for mafia to make so why is it mafia agenda and not a towny making a bad case? I don't even think it's that awful like you seem to outline.
Holyflare
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July 14 2017 13:29 GMT
#936
I'm voting va because I don't think he's ever read me wrong when he's town and now he has me in an arbitrary list.
Holyflare
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July 14 2017 13:33 GMT
#939
Why? If his whole shtick is vote and kill analysis why do you think he's making arbitrary lists containing someone he doesn't usually read wrong?

Hint: survival
Holyflare
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July 14 2017 13:58 GMT
#955
On July 14 2017 22:39 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2017 22:38 ruXxar wrote:
On July 14 2017 22:36 Koshi wrote:
Why is rsoultin not mafia? Only read the votes and not the thread yet. Currently busy but hoping I can read it after work as I should be home earlier today. Depends on how long this takes but we are almost done. I read the thread this morning and she just dropped a bad listpost filled with emo blackmail. Not a single strong read based with evidence and a lol read on va.

So bad.


Read the thread then come back again.

Bye.

I actually read her filter and there is nothing.


She is still mafia. Also maybe not mafia. But probably.
Holyflare
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July 14 2017 14:14 GMT
#966
On July 14 2017 22:29 Holyflare wrote:
I'm voting va because I don't think he's ever read me wrong when he's town and now he has me in an arbitrary list.

On July 14 2017 22:33 Holyflare wrote:
Why? If his whole shtick is vote and kill analysis why do you think he's making arbitrary lists containing someone he doesn't usually read wrong?

Hint: survival


Let me just repeat this.
Holyflare
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July 14 2017 14:24 GMT
#969
He literally posted one post and got called out dude. Everything after that he needs to survive.
Holyflare
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July 14 2017 14:24 GMT
#970
With his mafia meta!
Holyflare
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July 14 2017 14:26 GMT
#973
If you're mafia you need to learn ti stop talking in the future btw ruxxar. You give far too much away if he's town and you're mafia.

Do you think he needs all this babying you're giving him?

Can you even remember as far back as one game ago when va got called out as town and didn't give two fucks and voted who he pleased off wagon because he didn't care?

Not a stark comparison for you? Gets caught doing mafia things and trolls non stop? Is it not weird he's not replying to anything you write with sense?
Holyflare
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July 14 2017 14:28 GMT
#975
On July 14 2017 23:26 VayneAuthority wrote:
the earliest ive ever been lynched as mafia is day 3.


Sometimes you just have to remind people meta isn't the end all for scum hunting.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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July 14 2017 15:47 GMT
#993
no opinion on ruxxar heavily defending you then?
Holyflare
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July 14 2017 17:36 GMT
#1044
On July 15 2017 02:26 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2017 02:25 emperorchampion wrote:
On July 15 2017 02:21 geript wrote:
On July 15 2017 02:17 emperorchampion wrote:
On July 15 2017 02:11 ruXxar wrote:
On July 15 2017 02:08 emperorchampion wrote:
On July 15 2017 02:07 ruXxar wrote:
On July 15 2017 02:03 emperorchampion wrote:
On July 15 2017 01:39 Damdred wrote:
Idk this game feels hard to me right now i want to do a lot of things.

Rux s causing me to go crazy thinking he might of tmi va a no in hi he defended him.

Skynx reaction was so over the top with grit and how he approaches the game is just weird to me this game at least.


Tina list post got some pressure off her now she's disappeared into the aether. Which runs me badly.

I don't think I want to lynch va today.

Rels is a good policy lynch though.

And ec filter is a bit to clean at this point, and weird in that he's sort of sidelined and not taking part in what's going on it seems to me and is avoiding like almost all notice atm.


You think my filter is too clean?? Please expand on this.

tbh I feel like I'm mostly playing my own game so far. I think I followed my main main null / could lynch reads fairly well so far, now I'm left with va and rels atm. So far I haven't seen much from va that could change my mind otherwise, which is quite unfortunate if he's town.


Why rels?


Cause he hasn't done anything so far, I don't feel like I could remove him from a poe list with 0 activity.


So besides va and rels everyone else are null or town leans?


Yeah I was thinking about that now lol, I need to do some more scum hunting. Otherwise I think the next place to look is between you / skynx / geript, seems like there could be 1 scum in this.

That's a big false dichotomy there.


What do you mean?

Idk about Rux. He's been super active. But skynx and I could both be Town.


????????.?. Um?
Holyflare
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July 14 2017 17:37 GMT
#1047
No he means he's town and skynx could be town. It's not a slip and you're all retarded.

I'm questioning why the fuck he randomly thinks skynx is town now after being so convicted before.
Holyflare
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July 14 2017 18:52 GMT
#1080
boring
Holyflare
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July 14 2017 18:54 GMT
#1081
remember that rels guy that promised to be around? I sure do

+ Show Spoiler +


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Holyflare
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July 14 2017 18:59 GMT
#1084
You mean I had real life and went out? Yeah, that happens.

Geript is probably mafia because now he's just sheeping what myself and rayn said whereas before he was all happy with it being a mafia case.

On July 14 2017 07:25 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2017 06:49 Holyflare wrote:
Honestly I can see townies do everything you've listed though.


I can too too, I just find it much less likely to happen considering how consistently bad he's been.


geript tell me in depth what has changed your mind please
Holyflare
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July 14 2017 19:00 GMT
#1086
because I went shopping and you were all posting the same thing as me so who cares?
Holyflare
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July 14 2017 19:01 GMT
#1087
and geript wasn't even responding that second so I got bored
Holyflare
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July 14 2017 19:02 GMT
#1089
...........
Holyflare
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July 14 2017 19:02 GMT
#1090
Did you forget how to play mafia in your absence?
Holyflare
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July 14 2017 19:03 GMT
#1093
I read his responses and they were shit. People already asked the question I was gonna ask so what was the point?
Holyflare
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July 14 2017 19:06 GMT
#1096
I'm just waiting for ruxxar to make his omg hf doesn't care about following reads on geript post tbh
Holyflare
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July 14 2017 19:08 GMT
#1100
because I got in and saw rels playing battlerite and that was far more pressing
Holyflare
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July 14 2017 19:09 GMT
#1102
ok then ruxxar
Holyflare
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July 14 2017 19:11 GMT
#1107
to be fair he did the same thing as town last game
Holyflare
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July 14 2017 19:11 GMT
#1108
just a dick move though
Holyflare
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July 14 2017 19:19 GMT
#1112
read the thread instead
Holyflare
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July 14 2017 19:21 GMT
#1116
I'd rather you read a small bit of it and make posts than be told cases and make a decision so go do that instead
Holyflare
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July 14 2017 19:55 GMT
#1141
On July 15 2017 04:50 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2017 04:48 rsoultin wrote:
On July 14 2017 05:40 Damdred wrote:
Idk rsoul list post is not actually that bad, it has some ok thoughts in it.

Can you elaborate on your hf read? I know you have a certain way to read him tina?


not so much a certain way as just i used to be really secure and certain that he was town when he was town, whereas the doubts would always creep in when he was mafia. he's a slippery bastard to nail down heh ><

but given we started rolling opposite alignments almost every game, and i just haven't really seen the hyper aggression that went all through himalayas (?) where i nailed gb and i nailed his ass (more gb than me lol ><) but ls screwed the pooch, i'm not sure if the uncertainty is lackluster mafia or paranoia...so yeah

i just don't want to let a scum!hf go scott free when i'm not certain he's town and he's been forgettable for me


This post isn't bad either meh.


it's trash what are you saying
Holyflare
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July 14 2017 19:57 GMT
#1145
On July 15 2017 04:55 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2017 04:50 Damdred wrote:
On July 15 2017 04:48 rsoultin wrote:
On July 14 2017 05:40 Damdred wrote:
Idk rsoul list post is not actually that bad, it has some ok thoughts in it.

Can you elaborate on your hf read? I know you have a certain way to read him tina?


not so much a certain way as just i used to be really secure and certain that he was town when he was town, whereas the doubts would always creep in when he was mafia. he's a slippery bastard to nail down heh ><

but given we started rolling opposite alignments almost every game, and i just haven't really seen the hyper aggression that went all through himalayas (?) where i nailed gb and i nailed his ass (more gb than me lol ><) but ls screwed the pooch, i'm not sure if the uncertainty is lackluster mafia or paranoia...so yeah

i just don't want to let a scum!hf go scott free when i'm not certain he's town and he's been forgettable for me


This post isn't bad either meh.


it's trash what are you saying


Like what the fuck do you expect her to post in response to how do you read me?

"Oh, HF is good mafia I can read him because of what he does and this game he's not doing anything but maybe I'm just paranoid?"

that's the most generic response you can give
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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July 14 2017 19:59 GMT
#1151
On July 15 2017 04:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am gtoeing a scumread on Damdred.


finally
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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July 14 2017 20:07 GMT
#1166
masons in a 13 player game with 3 scum? uh huh
Holyflare
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July 14 2017 20:33 GMT
#1205
you realise if you are masons then they have a mafia vig and you're retarded?
Holyflare
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July 14 2017 20:37 GMT
#1208
On July 15 2017 05:35 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2017 05:31 emperorchampion wrote:
Did you care about something with va early game then?


more like if koshi's gonna just be a shithead i don't want to play with him in this game >< at the risk of using emo blackmail, i'm not putting up with the sexist bs anymore ><


why are you so victimised? when did he ever say anything sexist?
Holyflare
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July 14 2017 20:46 GMT
#1225
On July 15 2017 05:41 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2017 05:37 Holyflare wrote:
On July 15 2017 05:35 rsoultin wrote:
On July 15 2017 05:31 emperorchampion wrote:
Did you care about something with va early game then?


more like if koshi's gonna just be a shithead i don't want to play with him in this game >< at the risk of using emo blackmail, i'm not putting up with the sexist bs anymore ><


why are you so victimised? when did he ever say anything sexist?


you know, i don't know why i'm so surprised that va is the only one who took that seriously. you shit on me, koshi calls it emo blackmail, i've got people citing hormones and female vomit and all kinds of shit

maybe you guys just don't get it cause you've never been there, or maybe it's cause when people say sexist things about guys it's rarely negative, but it's fucking getting on my nerves

like i usually ignore it but i shouldn't have to ><


I did not shit on you. I don't care that you post with ~~~s and <3s but that is inexplicably a female thing to do on the internet. You were posting excessive amounts of those and it looked like buddying. That is all.

Emo blackmail is gender neutral.

hormones and female vomit was bull shit sexism though and he got called out

carry on though
Holyflare
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July 14 2017 20:47 GMT
#1229
Koshi has definitely done this no posting thing before as town.

It's a waste of a lynch.
Holyflare
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July 14 2017 21:11 GMT
#1267
now we can lynch ruxxar
Holyflare
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July 14 2017 21:52 GMT
#1292
On July 15 2017 06:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I sm gonna laugh my ass off in cade geript lynches me as any alignment. In that csde i eill never play with anyone who votef for me ever. And thats a promise.


That's also breaking the rules that you dearly love.
Holyflare
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July 14 2017 21:53 GMT
#1293
So can we lynch ruxxar now that va flipped town and he defended him forever based on nonsense?
Holyflare
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July 14 2017 22:03 GMT
#1300
Why did geript and damred claim btw?
Holyflare
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July 15 2017 06:56 GMT
#1321
Fun game.
Holyflare
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July 15 2017 08:17 GMT
#1324
You know where hearts and lovey dovey bull shit comes from? Relationships. Specifically you didn't play so buddy buddy previously. Now that this is the first game you've returned after that then either your bull shit ott heart spam is from that or a mafia ploy.

Don't try and push your agenda on me. This is purely mafia game. I don't care about the fact that it could be viewed as sexist to say you post a lot of hearts, traditionally female of origin, and it gives me an aneurysm to read because it did. It looks like you were being far too ott to make friends rather than give reads. Simple as that.


If you don't like the sexism in this game then post about it post game. Ask the mods to deal with it. Your constant whine about it achieves nothing and is a boring drag. I'm sorry that you feel victimised but most of us are here to play mafia. It's unfortunate that some people devolve to petty insults and sexism (I thought mine was a quite obvious joke meant to tease) but don't bring it up repeatedly.
Holyflare
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July 15 2017 08:20 GMT
#1325
Like. Your feelings are invalid. This is mafia and a game where you literally are meant to play on people's emotions to make them play like shit or reveal their alignment. Half of the people you quote could even be doing it as mafia agenda.
Holyflare
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July 15 2017 08:22 GMT
#1326
If you were a man and had posted hearts previously and then had done what you had done this game I would post exactly the same things. Especially the Artanis thing.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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July 15 2017 08:25 GMT
#1327
The thing is I think you're a strong mafia player. Gender doesn't matter. But I think your entrance to the game looked like you were taking advantage of ruxxar by spamming hearts and squiggles and it looked disgusting to read because it was manipulation.
Holyflare
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July 15 2017 08:27 GMT
#1328
I don't disagree that you can be upset about sexist comments and you should. Just don't bring it into a mafia game and whine about it here.
Holyflare
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July 15 2017 08:32 GMT
#1329
I will afk from the game now though so you can actually do something useful instead of fight for female rights. Good day.
Holyflare
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July 15 2017 08:37 GMT
#1330
On July 15 2017 17:22 Holyflare wrote:
If you were a man and had posted hearts previously and then had done what you had done this game I would post exactly the same things. Especially the Artanis thing.


Perhaps adding female to vomit was unnecessary and I apologise. But I will never apologise for saying artanis dulled your wit because that is simply what has happened. You're not a fighting bite-y person anymore. You could be a man/transgender/gender fluid/female/apache attack helicopter and it's the same thing. Entirely gender neutral.

Good day.
Holyflare
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July 15 2017 09:07 GMT
#1337
On July 14 2017 07:20 Holyflare wrote:
I'm removing rsoul from my town list. I just can't bring myself to keep her there. No way she has me in a list of people she wants to lynch with Koshi and EC when the only time in the game she's interacted with me was when she saw that I had the same thoughts on EC as her

"can't remember what he wrote" is garbage


Explain
Holyflare
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July 15 2017 09:25 GMT
#1342
Rels posts as little as possible and afks after lynch to say nothing and read no more.
Holyflare
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July 15 2017 09:27 GMT
#1343
On July 15 2017 18:06 beentheredonethat wrote:
A replacement is needed for Generic Mini III.


zzzzzzzzzzzzz
Holyflare
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July 15 2017 09:29 GMT
#1345
believing me about what?
Holyflare
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July 15 2017 09:31 GMT
#1347
I guess the tmi was correct :D
Holyflare
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July 15 2017 09:36 GMT
#1348
I'm just gonna lead the ruxxar wagon tomorrow.
Holyflare
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July 15 2017 09:37 GMT
#1349
On July 15 2017 18:36 Holyflare wrote:
I'm just gonna lead the ruxxar wagon tomorrow.


Don't quote me on this though. I heavily think he could also be town.
Holyflare
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July 15 2017 09:39 GMT
#1350
I guess we get an rsoul replacement though so that's good. That slot is basically confirmed town which annoys me to no end.
Holyflare
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July 15 2017 09:46 GMT
#1353
I forgot the rest of his play but I know there are other things.
Holyflare
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July 15 2017 09:49 GMT
#1357
On July 15 2017 18:47 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2017 18:46 Holyflare wrote:
I forgot the rest of his play but I know there are other things.


"I forgot"
"There are other things"

...


I forgot the specifics of the other things, yes.
Holyflare
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July 15 2017 09:49 GMT
#1358
Just read my one liner filter for gems.
Holyflare
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July 15 2017 09:56 GMT
#1365
ruxxar/skynx/rels
Holyflare
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July 15 2017 09:56 GMT
#1366
add koshi I guess
Holyflare
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July 15 2017 09:57 GMT
#1368
because there's two masons to kill
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July 15 2017 09:58 GMT
#1369
they'll both die tonight though I'll make sure of it
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July 15 2017 10:00 GMT
#1373
On July 15 2017 18:59 ruXxar wrote:
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On July 15 2017 18:57 Holyflare wrote:
because there's two masons to kill


Fuck your HF.
That was a fucking dumb post.


but I'm town though, right?
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July 15 2017 10:03 GMT
#1376
mafia vig
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July 15 2017 10:06 GMT
#1379
He's my biggest asset
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July 15 2017 10:12 GMT
#1383
I have a hunch about another play but I don't wanna say it
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July 15 2017 10:37 GMT
#1387
His anger and omgus at geript which he completely dropped or at least had no passion for pushing and poe.
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July 15 2017 11:56 GMT
#1389
At beer and cider festival today so rip
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July 15 2017 15:06 GMT
#1478
On July 15 2017 23:51 ruXxar wrote:
HF is actually a really good mafia candidate.

He keeps shouting from the rooftops that every mother and his dog are mafia but doesn't do jack shit with his reads.
He just soft pushes people then backs off.

It's a waffling insecure HF, who's all bark, no bite.
That's not the HF I saw last game.


Definitely my madia meta
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July 15 2017 15:07 GMT
#1480
Congrats vivax cobf town
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July 15 2017 15:16 GMT
#1488
Lol ruxxar disbelieved mason claims and calls me mafia because that's what he needs for mafia agenda.
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July 15 2017 15:31 GMT
#1496
I didn't even know there was a counter wagon :D :D
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July 15 2017 15:40 GMT
#1504
Why aren't you pushing me ruxxar?
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July 15 2017 15:47 GMT
#1514
Ahahahaha ok
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July 15 2017 15:50 GMT
#1519
I didn't even read deadline mab I'll acknowledge it later.
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July 15 2017 15:51 GMT
#1520
Ec can definitely be mafia though. Break it down for the inevrjated
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July 15 2017 15:51 GMT
#1521
Inebriated
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July 15 2017 15:52 GMT
#1523
Ruxxar you've seen me be mafia. Are you saying I'm still mafiz even though i don't give a shit?
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July 15 2017 15:53 GMT
#1525
Are you 100% gonna stick to this read?
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July 15 2017 15:53 GMT
#1526
On July 16 2017 00:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On July 16 2017 00:51 Holyflare wrote:
Ec can definitely be mafia though. Break it down for the inevrjated

I have a hard time of believing Tina was wrong on everything she said and while i dont always understand her (read: i never understand her), she probably has some point on EC that actually is valid.


Her read is simply my read. That he waffled on you and didn't do much.
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July 15 2017 15:57 GMT
#1529
Well she's confirmed town or insanely manipulative and I won't play with her again for that kind of dirt play.
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July 15 2017 15:58 GMT
#1532
On July 16 2017 00:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On July 16 2017 00:53 Holyflare wrote:
Are you 100% gonna stick to this read?

nothing is 100% but probably yes.
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2017 00:53 Holyflare wrote:
On July 16 2017 00:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 16 2017 00:51 Holyflare wrote:
Ec can definitely be mafia though. Break it down for the inevrjated

I have a hard time of believing Tina was wrong on everything she said and while i dont always understand her (read: i never understand her), she probably has some point on EC that actually is valid.


Her read is simply my read. That he waffled on you and didn't do much.

yeah idk about your two read since i never understood that from the beginning, that's my bad. I townread him for some reasons and had "better" reasons to not look back at the people i poe'd early (aka VA).


Was talking about ruxxar scum reading me.
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July 15 2017 15:59 GMT
#1533
Ruxxar koshi has posted nothing new. Your chance to push me is now or you look really opportune looking for mislynches and not caring about pushing them.
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July 15 2017 16:02 GMT
#1535
Someone summarise skynx case
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July 15 2017 16:10 GMT
#1538
Hahaha you failed at pushing me so I'm on the back burner now. Hahahahahahaha
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July 15 2017 17:13 GMT
#1545
Bahahahajshahaha epic mafia failure. You start with an assumption and then decide to read my filter.

You are so Mafia.
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July 15 2017 17:17 GMT
#1548
On July 16 2017 02:15 ruXxar wrote:
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On July 16 2017 02:13 Holyflare wrote:
Bahahahajshahaha epic mafia failure. You start with an assumption and then decide to read my filter.

You are so Mafia.


Assumption != memory.


It's a mafia mindset. You'd rather sling out accusations and try and mKe them stick than figure out the game
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July 15 2017 17:21 GMT
#1550
On July 16 2017 02:19 ruXxar wrote:
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On July 16 2017 02:17 Holyflare wrote:
On July 16 2017 02:15 ruXxar wrote:
On July 16 2017 02:13 Holyflare wrote:
Bahahahajshahaha epic mafia failure. You start with an assumption and then decide to read my filter.

You are so Mafia.


Assumption != memory.


It's a mafia mindset. You'd rather sling out accusations and try and mKe them stick than figure out the game


In this case the accusation made perfect sense before I read your filter.


That's bull shit. I implore people to read your initial post accusing me. Your accusations are the EXACT SAME as what you concluded when you read my filter!!
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July 15 2017 17:35 GMT
#1554
On July 16 2017 02:31 ruXxar wrote:
I also tried to reason to myself how your waffling on rsoul would constitute a mafia agenda, and I couldn't come up with an argument that I didn't think would be ridiculed.

Aka it's trash.

The fact that your waffling could be a mafia trait.
The issue is that the people you are waffling on has no impact on the lynch.

So it didn't really matter.

The only thing I could find that could resemble mafia motivation is the fact that you call koshi mafia and later sheep his vote on VA.

But since Rayn was also there to push it, I can't say that is your only reason for doing so and again the argument falls short.


So I waffled and had no impact on a town lynch and there's no mafia motivation there? :D :D
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July 15 2017 17:39 GMT
#1556
On July 16 2017 02:38 ruXxar wrote:
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On July 16 2017 02:35 Holyflare wrote:
On July 16 2017 02:31 ruXxar wrote:
I also tried to reason to myself how your waffling on rsoul would constitute a mafia agenda, and I couldn't come up with an argument that I didn't think would be ridiculed.

Aka it's trash.

The fact that your waffling could be a mafia trait.
The issue is that the people you are waffling on has no impact on the lynch.

So it didn't really matter.

The only thing I could find that could resemble mafia motivation is the fact that you call koshi mafia and later sheep his vote on VA.

But since Rayn was also there to push it, I can't say that is your only reason for doing so and again the argument falls short.


So I waffled and had no impact on a town lynch and there's no mafia motivation there? :D :D


Besides looking like you're doing something when in fact you are doing nothing, then no.


Hahahahahahahahagaga

You're too funny
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July 15 2017 20:46 GMT
#1589
Damb that ec read is legit.

Forgot you scum read sl
Say you didn't forget
Proven wrong
Theb retroactively defend that read saying you don't remember what he's done and he's scummy

The fact you didn't remember scum reading him and then give reasons ti scum read him is bull shit.

You are confirmed mafia niw.
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July 15 2017 20:55 GMT
#1590
Anyone not voting ec tomorrow is mafia.
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July 15 2017 20:56 GMT
#1591
Dem my reads cis geript and damd ain't dying
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July 15 2017 21:00 GMT
#1596
O
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July 15 2017 21:00 GMT
#1597
On July 16 2017 05:29 emperorchampion wrote:
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On July 16 2017 05:27 sicklucker wrote:
Whats that have to do with anything. your denying you forgot your read? No ones lock town in this game


I just forgot about you until damdred mentioned you in the post above. You can be scum cause the only thing I have to town read you on so far is tone

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July 15 2017 21:02 GMT
#1599
You say you don't remember scum reading sl

Sl quotes where you say he could be scum

Then you say he can be scum because you only read him town on tone

Now yiu say he's town??
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July 15 2017 21:03 GMT
#1600
Time to get real k. Dand and geript aren't masons.

Rels is red check.

##vote rels
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July 15 2017 21:04 GMT
#1602
On July 16 2017 06:03 emperorchampion wrote:
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On July 16 2017 06:00 Holyflare wrote:
On July 16 2017 05:29 emperorchampion wrote:
On July 16 2017 05:27 sicklucker wrote:
Whats that have to do with anything. your denying you forgot your read? No ones lock town in this game


I just forgot about you until damdred mentioned you in the post above. You can be scum cause the only thing I have to town read you on so far is tone



I said I forgot about him


You forgot your reaaads
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July 15 2017 21:05 GMT
#1603
We lynch rels anyway
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July 15 2017 21:06 GMT
#1606
I want to die and I don't care
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July 15 2017 21:10 GMT
#1611
No? I hard claims not blue so of course I'm blue
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July 15 2017 21:16 GMT
#1618
I drank toi mucy alcohol
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July 15 2017 21:17 GMT
#1619
On July 16 2017 06:16 emperorchampion wrote:
I'm gonna vote koshi, this guy needs to do something. And of course to collect my free town read from ruxxar


Ummmmmmm no you're not
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July 15 2017 21:19 GMT
#1622
On July 16 2017 06:18 Damdred wrote:
Cop+mason is a stupid setup.

Rayn being a Miller is ok but still


Si there's a random miller dor 0 reasin?
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July 15 2017 21:20 GMT
#1623
Or you just host flaming? Probably got a gf and something like rb
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July 15 2017 21:21 GMT
#1624
Mason cop is fucking broken tho
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July 15 2017 21:21 GMT
#1625
I'm nerfed cop tho only one check
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July 15 2017 21:36 GMT
#1639
On July 16 2017 06:28 ruXxar wrote:
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On July 16 2017 06:03 Holyflare wrote:
Time to get real k. Dand and geript aren't masons.

Rels is red check.

##vote rels


Why are they not masons?


They could still be masons but thsy didn't die idk
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July 15 2017 22:23 GMT
#1646
Why the fuck would i follow that guide?
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July 15 2017 22:23 GMT
#1647
There is 0% absolutely 0% chance ruxxar is town this game.
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July 15 2017 22:32 GMT
#1649
After red check
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July 15 2017 22:48 GMT
#1652
Like who the fuck sees a one shot cop claim and quotes the guide on how to play mafia and votes not the red check????
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July 15 2017 22:51 GMT
#1653
Ec/ruxxar/rels/koshi

4 man mafia team
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July 15 2017 23:29 GMT
#1660
Ruxxar you do understand if you're town you haven't got any better since last game and you're mafia siding really hard?
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July 16 2017 09:35 GMT
#1692
I have a massive headache. Expect nothing from me. I'll look at tw later I guess but I haven't read a single filter all game.
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July 16 2017 11:49 GMT
#1704
Non-voters (3) - Rels, Vivax, Koshi

lol mafia team
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July 16 2017 12:59 GMT
#1714
Are you doing retarded mafia siding things intentionally?
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July 16 2017 13:10 GMT
#1716
Then why even ask? I'm town read by everyone in this game and have no reason to fake claim and rels and koshi a red check and your top scum read are just afk doing nothing.

Why would you even ask that question at that point? Break down your thought process to me.
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July 16 2017 13:19 GMT
#1718
A framer with a miller in this game would be bull shit
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July 16 2017 13:22 GMT
#1719
But also let me just get this straight.

If you have concerns that I'm mafia fake claiming and have already determined that if rels were to flip green I should be lynched why are you checking something so obvious with the thread?

Furthermore, since you have this thought process you absolutely need to explain what my mafia motivation is (that thing you completely love saying) to claim a red check on a rels that will inevitably flip green and lose all the amazing town credit I have from 90% of the game? What's the play? Trade one me for one afk rels for no reason?
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July 16 2017 13:34 GMT
#1721
On July 16 2017 22:24 ruXxar wrote:
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On July 16 2017 22:19 Holyflare wrote:
A framer with a miller in this game would be bull shit


Having two confirmed towns and a cop in a 13 man game is incredibly town sided.

I personally think having mssons in a mini mafia game is quite a fun killer.


On July 16 2017 06:28 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2017 06:03 Holyflare wrote:
Time to get real k. Dand and geript aren't masons.

Rels is red check.

##vote rels


Why are they not masons?


and yet when I questioned it you were the one trying to throw shade at it

there's absolutely no way you're town here
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July 16 2017 13:37 GMT
#1723
The last time I claimed cop I faked a check (but was real cop) and got lynched instantly.

There's 0% chance I ever do that again. Especially as mafia I know there's absolutely no way to talk out of that.
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July 16 2017 13:37 GMT
#1724
And besides why in your scenario is there no actual room for there to be a framer in "for balance" and for me to be the real cop?
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July 16 2017 13:40 GMT
#1726
what roles do you think mafia has against one shot cop and two masons?
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July 16 2017 13:51 GMT
#1729
Who would a framer frame then?
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July 16 2017 13:57 GMT
#1731
No, I'm trying to imagine what it's like to be a town ruxxar who says the masons aren't real but also that the cop claim is fake and also that a framer can't exist if they're both real but then wouldn't know who they would frame but then thinks the person who doesn't fake claim cop would fake claim cop as mafia for a 0% play to save koshi and trade 2 of the mafia team instead of just 1.

I'm struggling a lot.
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July 16 2017 14:00 GMT
#1733
I can't explain your thought processes in any other way than mafia.

You have so many dumps of drivel it's ridiculous. You say I'm cherry picking that I didn't quote how you disbelieved the masons and instead believed them and not me.

Then you're saying I'm probably fake claiming and haven't even put a vote on rels the whole day which makes the above statement false.

Then you say that you think masons in a game are broken but for some reason still disbelieve a 1 shot cop with a red check.

Then you say if rels is green that I'm definitely mafia even though there is no reason in this world to fake claim ever.
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July 16 2017 14:01 GMT
#1735
I will never go down without a fight. If rels is green there is a confirmed framer. I will dump as much thought as possible into the game and never stop fighting.
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July 16 2017 14:08 GMT
#1740
Well I'm not but glad we're clearing that up
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July 16 2017 14:29 GMT
#1741
On July 16 2017 23:03 Rels wrote:
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On July 16 2017 23:01 Holyflare wrote:
I will never go down without a fight. If rels is green there is a confirmed framer. I will dump as much thought as possible into the game and never stop fighting.

Framer almost always frames their own team. So you're committing I see.
Noone else shall be lynched until one of me / HF flips scum
##Vote Holyflare


So you're just confirming yourself as mafia.............................????

hahahahahahaha
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July 16 2017 14:39 GMT
#1744
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/511964-onegu-is-the-best-host-mafia-part-2

I am just going to post this here as an example of why I will never ever fake claim cop as town or mafia again on day 2 again.
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July 16 2017 15:11 GMT
#1761
On July 16 2017 23:57 Rels wrote:
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On July 14 2017 06:00 Holyflare wrote:
On July 14 2017 05:17 rsoultin wrote:
also just fyi no matter my alignment you boys really have to realize that the sexist shit is totally not okay. we're all here to have fun, not be belittled for our genitalia

not gonna call anyone out but there's a reason i remember these things months later and the list keeps growing bigger


Classic woman.

wtf. I would also be angry if I was in rsoul's position


Oh please get off your high horse. It's clearly in jest.
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July 16 2017 15:30 GMT
#1769
Why do I claim cop here rels?
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July 16 2017 15:41 GMT
#1772
hey geript paraphrase every post of your qt for me
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July 16 2017 15:51 GMT
#1779
On July 17 2017 00:49 Rels wrote:
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On July 17 2017 00:30 Holyflare wrote:
Why do I claim cop here rels?

lol why should I know that. I'm actually pretty curious


you say I'm mafia 100% guaranteed and vote me

so why am I mafia?
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July 16 2017 16:10 GMT
#1796
On July 17 2017 00:57 Rels wrote:
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On July 17 2017 00:51 Holyflare wrote:
On July 17 2017 00:49 Rels wrote:
On July 17 2017 00:30 Holyflare wrote:
Why do I claim cop here rels?

lol why should I know that. I'm actually pretty curious


you say I'm mafia 100% guaranteed and vote me

so why am I mafia?

because you're saying you have a red check on me


and that's your sole reason for scum reading me? that I have a red check day 2?

You don't have a reason at all that I would have a red check on you if I was mafia? What's my motive?
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July 16 2017 16:14 GMT
#1799
because ruxxar has made me paranoid he was framed and I'm just trying to assess it
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July 16 2017 16:14 GMT
#1801
k die
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July 16 2017 16:15 GMT
#1804
I'm not fucking faking a red check I told you I would never do that again.
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July 16 2017 16:16 GMT
#1806
I was literally in a game 2 games ago where vivax fake claimed a red check on me day 2.
I fake claimed once and it was horrible.

Why the shit would I do that here?
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July 16 2017 16:16 GMT
#1808
every game someone has fake cop claimed they have died

so no I'm not stupid
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July 16 2017 16:18 GMT
#1813
if rsoultin is mafia she has made the most disgusting play in history and I refuse to believe it
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July 16 2017 16:20 GMT
#1816
koshi just confirmed himself mafia for that read so it's ok
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July 16 2017 16:23 GMT
#1821
Ok, whatever, I'm rescinding my claim. I don't want to waste any more time doing it and I want to further the discussion today so we can actually lynch ruxxar or koshi.

Everything ruxxar has done this game is absolutely FULL of TMI. Not only with VA but with this claim too. I think rels could maybe actually be town purely for his appeal to me about fake claiming on this page and it's stupid but I'm gonna roll with it.

I can't be bothered to work out how many mislynches there are till end game if rels flipped town but if it's one all of ruxxar's posts outline setting me up for the mislynch the next day when it's an obvious unspoken thing.
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July 16 2017 16:25 GMT
#1824
I absolutely despise koshi this game. There is 0% chance he goes from narcissistic ego maniac into 0 proper reads and afking for the whole game with 1 read on VA.

Then his rsoultin read is the most arse backwards thing I could ever see from him. The guy that town reads people on tone all day and he doesn't town read rsoultin/vivax for that post is not a koshi I know.
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July 16 2017 16:25 GMT
#1825
On July 17 2017 01:24 geript wrote:
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On July 17 2017 01:23 Holyflare wrote:
Ok, whatever, I'm rescinding my claim. I don't want to waste any more time doing it and I want to further the discussion today so we can actually lynch ruxxar or koshi.

Everything ruxxar has done this game is absolutely FULL of TMI. Not only with VA but with this claim too. I think rels could maybe actually be town purely for his appeal to me about fake claiming on this page and it's stupid but I'm gonna roll with it.

I can't be bothered to work out how many mislynches there are till end game if rels flipped town but if it's one all of ruxxar's posts outline setting me up for the mislynch the next day when it's an obvious unspoken thing.

Really... seriously... fuck you HF.


oh please I don't care
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July 16 2017 16:26 GMT
#1827
I'd rather not throw the game in the event he is town and I've ended the claim with at least 30 hours to go so we can actually talk some more.
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July 16 2017 16:29 GMT
#1831
On July 17 2017 01:27 emperorchampion wrote:
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On July 17 2017 01:24 Koshi wrote:
On July 15 2017 18:25 emperorchampion wrote:
On July 13 2017 19:23 Koshi wrote:
Damdred tried to explain why geript is town and gave that read to the thread. =good stuff. Trying to convince somebody is town with reasoning that another person can understand is a townie treat. Him being extremely confident about it is also more likely town over mafia because mafia is afraid of showing TMI.

Damdred is town.


People who pretend to have a lot of reads but are not sharing them with the thread:
rsoultin



PS to rayn: he is talking about ruxxar


Like this post is exactly wrong, maybe damdy can chime in more, but I assume there was some tmi in the read.

Mafia motivation is to fit in, buddy rayn for same reads.

Hmmm? What do you mean EC?


You said that the read was natural, but in fact it was cause of masons.


this is such a god damn fucking good post

think back to rayn and me talking about damdred, I said that damdred's points on geript were all way too weird for a town damdred to do and it looked like tmi

since they are masons it becomes obvious why but that's only to people that don't know they are town, to a mafia (koshi) it has to be explained as a town reading a town a certain way, aka tmi from koshi
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July 16 2017 16:31 GMT
#1834
Ec is absolutely not mafia
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July 16 2017 16:32 GMT
#1836
On July 17 2017 01:32 Rels wrote:
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On July 17 2017 01:23 Holyflare wrote:
Ok, whatever, I'm rescinding my claim. I don't want to waste any more time doing it and I want to further the discussion today so we can actually lynch ruxxar or koshi.

Everything ruxxar has done this game is absolutely FULL of TMI. Not only with VA but with this claim too. I think rels could maybe actually be town purely for his appeal to me about fake claiming on this page and it's stupid but I'm gonna roll with it.

I can't be bothered to work out how many mislynches there are till end game if rels flipped town but if it's one all of ruxxar's posts outline setting me up for the mislynch the next day when it's an obvious unspoken thing.

...


Fucking deal with it.

Holyflare
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July 16 2017 16:33 GMT
#1837
Ruxxar. Your whole fake claim spiel plan was that I'm mafia trying to save koshi. Now I'm lynching koshi. What's the excuse now?
Holyflare
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July 16 2017 16:38 GMT
#1846
ruXxar
Tumblewood
Koshi
Skynx
sicklucker

Mafia list
Holyflare
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July 16 2017 16:43 GMT
#1852
Yeh so let's lynch koshi then k?
Holyflare
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July 16 2017 16:48 GMT
#1857
I think it makes perfect sense to me
Holyflare
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July 16 2017 16:49 GMT
#1858
On July 17 2017 01:47 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2017 01:43 Holyflare wrote:
Yeh so let's lynch koshi then k?


No.
I've had enough of your scummy shenanigans.

Either lynch me or NK me. I'm not changing my vote until you are dead.


Cool just remain on the sidelines then my friend and watch the magic happen.

Why were my shenanigans scummy? I just wanted rels under pressure to see what happened.
Holyflare
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July 16 2017 17:07 GMT
#1870
On July 17 2017 01:17 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2017 05:48 Damdred wrote:
On July 15 2017 05:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Damdred are you masons?


Yes will 100% back his claim

lol. Can't believe it. Never seen masons in minis before. 0% chance this is true.


On July 17 2017 02:04 Koshi wrote:
If Damdred is mafia it is unlikely he makes that post about town!geript because he knows it looks bad. So logical conclusion is that it is more likely town!damdred making that post.


K
Holyflare
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July 16 2017 17:09 GMT
#1874
[QUOTE]On July 17 2017 02:07 Koshi wrote:
[QUOTE]On July 17 2017 01:55 Rels wrote:
[QUOTE]On July 17 2017 01:51 ruXxar wrote:
[QUOTE]On July 17 2017 01:35 Rels wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote Koshi
[/QUOTE]

Why?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]On July 15 2017 05:01 Rels wrote:
[QUOTE]On July 15 2017 04:54 Koshi wrote:
Did some1 tell me why rsoultin isnt mafia?[/QUOTE]
Koshi not being thread dictator is worrying[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]On July 16 2017 23:31 Rels wrote:
I'm OK being traded for HF. But you all have to really commit to the HF lynch after I flip. Don't listen to anything he says, just vote him and discuss other stuff. The dude managed to not get lynched after he was red checked as scum.
Now what's good is that I have absolutely no pressure. Let's see.

geript / Damdred claimed masons. They are very likely to be masons. Basically, you should lynch one in LYLO if they're still both alive. Until then they can be conf town.

rsoul emotional posts makes her town I think. I don't see her making these posts as scum.

Skynx is awesome. In particular his Koshi. I disagree with him but I see exactly where he's coming from. That's how I treated Palmar last game.

Koshi's pointless filter makes him scum. Even if he tryhards for one day later, the fact that it's not natural for him when it is usually natural for him is pretty damning.

These are my strong reads. HF / Koshi + 1 is pretty likely. Gonna read the rest of the filters to see where I stand about the other players.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]On July 17 2017 01:34 Rels wrote:
[QUOTE]On July 17 2017 01:25 Holyflare wrote:
I absolutely despise koshi this game. There is 0% chance he goes from narcissistic ego maniac into 0 proper reads and afking for the whole game with 1 read on VA.

Then his rsoultin read is the most arse backwards thing I could ever see from him. The guy that town reads people on tone all day and he doesn't town read rsoultin/vivax for that post is not a koshi I know.[/QUOTE]
this is 100% true[/QUOTE]
[/QUOTE]
Not posting at all is more likely town!Koshi than mafia!Koshi btw. Go look at my meta. The 4 games I was mafia in a row and the last one. I always posted constantly. Just less.

So if meta falls away. What do you have left to call me mafia?[/QUOTE]

A person intentionally doing nothing and making the game harder furthering mafia agenda.
Holyflare
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July 16 2017 17:09 GMT
#1875
Well fuck that
Holyflare
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July 16 2017 17:15 GMT
#1878
On July 17 2017 02:09 ruXxar wrote:
Can someone explain why HFs fake claim is not scummy?

Seems like I'm the only one that doesn't get it.


Because I'm clearly town dude. Pull your fingers out of your mafia ears and realise your agenda is failing.
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July 16 2017 17:28 GMT
#1888
On July 17 2017 02:26 sicklucker wrote:
your a nice guy but your still mafia. hes a fucking douchebag but hes probably still town. unfortunately for you I dont vote with mt heart


U said the play of being crap was good so i did it. U h8?
Holyflare
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July 16 2017 17:32 GMT
#1891
Rels made some posts on va and fucked off so I tried to make him do more. Then it was getting too late and he turned up so perfect time to unclaim. Now rels just has to do more.
Holyflare
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July 16 2017 17:46 GMT
#1908
On July 17 2017 02:40 Koshi wrote:
And TW is not the person who makes those kinda reads. Not 100% on that but I think I am right.


Mafia prefers to work with absolutes. So VA being lock town for being excited is way more likely coming from a mafia than a town.


He made exact same reads 2 games ago with bs reasoning that he got called out for repeatedly and was town.

Also does it as mafia.
Holyflare
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July 16 2017 17:48 GMT
#1912
On July 17 2017 02:47 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2017 02:37 Koshi wrote:
Would be a pretty great play if Rels and HF are mafia together. HF using his towncred to create and abolish a wagon on Rels. Rels doing nothing but pushing the ml of the day. Good stuff.


I had the same thought.

Rels backed off HF too fast for my liking.


Fuck off I'm lynching your top confirmed 100% mafia and now that read is suddenly magically gone? Hahahahahaha.
Holyflare
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July 16 2017 17:49 GMT
#1913
The koshi bus on tw is unwarranted but he needs to do it for cred. Understandable.
Holyflare
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July 16 2017 18:09 GMT
#1922
it took you 40 seconds to get each of those posts and answer them?

you had that copied and pasted as a response instead of catching up

that's baddddd
Holyflare
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July 16 2017 18:21 GMT
#1930
why has your playstyle miraculously deviated from your plan koshi?
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July 16 2017 18:28 GMT
#1937
On July 17 2017 03:27 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2017 03:21 Koshi wrote:
On July 17 2017 03:17 Tumblewood wrote:
On July 17 2017 03:11 Koshi wrote:
TW do you have a scumread?

you. and i thought hf had a redcheck on rels so he was hard scum, but now i don't know what's what with that

So you missed all the posts in which people blamed hf for fakeclaiming, the hf fakeclaim post itself and then all other posts about that. Cool. So how did you catch up?

started off strong, finished strong, skipped every other page in the middle. so i've seen hf posting about how he wouldn't fakeclaim cop, people discussing a fakeclaim in mild confusion, people yelling about mason/cop setups, and some votes. and i could reread pages 89-93 but i'm on mobile and not interested in doing that


perhaps you should read them instead
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July 16 2017 18:28 GMT
#1939
rels just got off red check and left didn't he?
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July 16 2017 18:38 GMT
#1949
On July 17 2017 03:29 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2017 03:28 Holyflare wrote:
rels just got off red check and left didn't he?

Go check steam friendlist


playing battlerite innit
Holyflare
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July 16 2017 18:47 GMT
#1957
On July 17 2017 03:44 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2017 03:38 Holyflare wrote:
On July 17 2017 03:29 Koshi wrote:
On July 17 2017 03:28 Holyflare wrote:
rels just got off red check and left didn't he?

Go check steam friendlist


playing battlerite innit

it was joke


did the innit not make it sound like a joke reply?
Holyflare
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July 16 2017 18:51 GMT
#1962
On July 17 2017 03:49 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2017 03:38 Holyflare wrote:
On July 17 2017 03:29 Koshi wrote:
On July 17 2017 03:28 Holyflare wrote:
rels just got off red check and left didn't he?

Go check steam friendlist


playing battlerite innit

So we still lynch him. I see zero reason to not do so.


because like I said before he did this last game as town too
Holyflare
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July 16 2017 18:53 GMT
#1964
On July 17 2017 03:50 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2017 19:43 ruXxar wrote:
On July 16 2017 19:30 emperorchampion wrote:
On July 16 2017 19:19 ruXxar wrote:
On July 16 2017 16:55 emperorchampion wrote:
@ ruxxar: do you remember if you had a town lock on tumble first, or him with you?


Please explain why that is important to you.


I think that one of the reads could be a buddying attempt since there's an ok chance one of you are scum. Tumbles read seems a bit more suspicious at the moment given his most recent reply. To me seems possible that tumble gives you town lock as scum to help build allies with players that are in weaker situations.


I can see that.

I know I look bad for my defending of VA, so I'm a hypocrite for saying this, but I think TW also looks bad for his supposed town read on VA.

I wouldn't say it's definitely mafia though, since I'm town and reached the same conclusion.

What most bothers me about TW, is how little doubt he has about any of his reads.

His reads are static and non evolving as the game progresses.

Most notably very few ingame events makes him reconsider his reads, which means that his reads are locked regardless of what we do.
That is a sign of someone with TMI aka mafia.

Goddamnit Ruxxar. This is exactly what I said about TW....


dude doesn't remember any of his reads

doesn't even remember he 100% scum reads you
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#1965
On July 17 2017 03:51 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2017 03:42 Koshi wrote:
On July 17 2017 03:37 ruXxar wrote:
On July 17 2017 03:34 Koshi wrote:
On July 17 2017 03:29 ruXxar wrote:
Koshi did you read my case on TW?

+ Show Spoiler +
On July 16 2017 10:52 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2017 09:53 geript wrote:
@HF. I'd like to get your opinion on TW. IMO, he looks like a great flip (better than Rux). He seems to have a lot of opinions without many suppositions. Many of those opinions are correct and I don't think he was more than mediocre when I've played with him previously.


I'm reviewing my read on TW, who I previously had as lock town.

The reason for my lock town read, was a very strong tone and meta read from his first list post.

After now reviewing his filter again, my opinion on him has changed from locked town to free agent.

Here is one of my findings on why my opinion changed:

Here he says who he wants to lynch due to his Poe.
But more importantly he mentions the *order* in which he wants to lynch.

Indicating that this is his strongest scum reads from left to right:

Show nested quote +
On July 14 2017 14:51 Tumblewood wrote:
the scary thing is i don't think hf is obvious mafia this game. idk what that's supposed to mean but i don't think i want to lynch him today

...

actually looking at the playerlist, if you remove everyone i had some reason to not wanna lynch today it's only 4 people. and that's ec/va/rels/koshi. so imma lynch into them in that order(ish) and then after than idk
but if i wanna actually be decent i'll have to filter people. tomorrow (TM)


HOWEVER.

When I question him later why EC is his primary scum read(as indicated from the post above), this is the response I get:

Show nested quote +
On July 15 2017 01:52 Tumblewood wrote:
On July 15 2017 01:50 ruXxar wrote:
On July 15 2017 01:46 Tumblewood wrote:
On July 15 2017 00:52 ruXxar wrote:
On July 15 2017 00:49 Skynx wrote:
On July 15 2017 00:31 ruXxar wrote:
On July 15 2017 00:28 Skynx wrote:
On July 15 2017 00:25 ruXxar wrote:
VA. Tumblewood, rels.

Please vote.

What? TW was 100 town????


Yes?

What did he do wrong? What did Rels do wrong?


They haven't voted yet.

chill, i have like 5 hours left to do this


Why is EC scum?

i didn't say he is. i said he was one of four people i had no reason to townread, and right now i am filtering him


I find it suspicious that before even filtering his *primary* scum read, he has already determined the order in which he want to lynch his scum reads.

This tells me that he constructed the order in which he wanted to lynch people based on something else than their actual posts in the game.

This could be mafia wanting to push a lynch agenda suited to third agenda.

It really seemed to catch TW off-guard to be questioned about this, when he should've already had his reasons clear to him on the lynch order if he was town.


I read it but just kept in the back of my mind as "possible true".
Rereading it now, I like the a lot. Shows TW is not finding mafia and just going with the flow this game.

And now I am pretty sure about the fact TW is somebody who does not care about how people perceive him but about solving the game. If needed on his own.


What does this mean?

That in this game TW is not solving the game. Which for him is the fun part. His only scumread is me and I don't even know why. Probably thread sentiment.


Explain what changed your mind to now reach this conclusion of being so sure.

Show nested quote +
On July 17 2017 03:34 Koshi wrote:
And now I am pretty sure about the fact TW is somebody who does not care about how people perceive him but about solving the game. If needed on his own.



he did explain that in general tw is like that but isn't like that in this game
Holyflare
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July 16 2017 19:14 GMT
#1988
On July 17 2017 04:09 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2017 04:07 ruXxar wrote:
On July 17 2017 04:06 Koshi wrote:
On July 17 2017 04:04 ruXxar wrote:
On July 17 2017 04:03 Koshi wrote:
On July 17 2017 04:01 ruXxar wrote:
On July 17 2017 03:59 Koshi wrote:
I said the now because last time I said something about TW and that was incorrect ↓. But this time I am sure I am correct.
+ Show Spoiler +

On July 17 2017 02:40 Koshi wrote:
And TW is not the person who makes those kinda reads. Not 100% on that but I think I am right.


Mafia prefers to work with absolutes. So VA being lock town for being excited is way more likely coming from a mafia than a town.



You don't answer my question.

Why?

Last time I wasn't sure about something I said and this time I was sure.

Holy fuck... In which wolrd does it even matter???


So this new surety of TWs play style just manifested itself out of nothing?

my brain? and the fact I played a lot with him.


So why weren't you she before, but now you are sure?

Cuz 1 thing I wasn't sure about. But the other thing I was sure about.

It's like:
Koshi: I am not sure I ate a banana last week but I think I did.
Koshi's mom: No you didn't eat a banana last weak.
Koshi: oh ok, but now I am sure about the fact I ate a apple last week.


So let me ask you this. You were wrong about TW's meta in your original post which means you don't even know how he correctly plays or what he posts like. So how do you now know that TW is a confident person that says his reads and doesn't care how he looks if you didn't know the first time?

ALSO isn't this read the exact same as what you're scum reading TW for about how he forced a read onto VA about him being excited and town? It looks the same to me.
Holyflare
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July 16 2017 19:19 GMT
#1992
perhaps you're misunderstanding
Holyflare
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July 16 2017 19:21 GMT
#1994
On July 17 2017 03:34 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2017 03:29 ruXxar wrote:
Koshi did you read my case on TW?

+ Show Spoiler +
On July 16 2017 10:52 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2017 09:53 geript wrote:
@HF. I'd like to get your opinion on TW. IMO, he looks like a great flip (better than Rux). He seems to have a lot of opinions without many suppositions. Many of those opinions are correct and I don't think he was more than mediocre when I've played with him previously.


I'm reviewing my read on TW, who I previously had as lock town.

The reason for my lock town read, was a very strong tone and meta read from his first list post.

After now reviewing his filter again, my opinion on him has changed from locked town to free agent.

Here is one of my findings on why my opinion changed:

Here he says who he wants to lynch due to his Poe.
But more importantly he mentions the *order* in which he wants to lynch.

Indicating that this is his strongest scum reads from left to right:

Show nested quote +
On July 14 2017 14:51 Tumblewood wrote:
the scary thing is i don't think hf is obvious mafia this game. idk what that's supposed to mean but i don't think i want to lynch him today

...

actually looking at the playerlist, if you remove everyone i had some reason to not wanna lynch today it's only 4 people. and that's ec/va/rels/koshi. so imma lynch into them in that order(ish) and then after than idk
but if i wanna actually be decent i'll have to filter people. tomorrow (TM)


HOWEVER.

When I question him later why EC is his primary scum read(as indicated from the post above), this is the response I get:

Show nested quote +
On July 15 2017 01:52 Tumblewood wrote:
On July 15 2017 01:50 ruXxar wrote:
On July 15 2017 01:46 Tumblewood wrote:
On July 15 2017 00:52 ruXxar wrote:
On July 15 2017 00:49 Skynx wrote:
On July 15 2017 00:31 ruXxar wrote:
On July 15 2017 00:28 Skynx wrote:
On July 15 2017 00:25 ruXxar wrote:
VA. Tumblewood, rels.

Please vote.

What? TW was 100 town????


Yes?

What did he do wrong? What did Rels do wrong?


They haven't voted yet.

chill, i have like 5 hours left to do this


Why is EC scum?

i didn't say he is. i said he was one of four people i had no reason to townread, and right now i am filtering him


I find it suspicious that before even filtering his *primary* scum read, he has already determined the order in which he want to lynch his scum reads.

This tells me that he constructed the order in which he wanted to lynch people based on something else than their actual posts in the game.

This could be mafia wanting to push a lynch agenda suited to third agenda.

It really seemed to catch TW off-guard to be questioned about this, when he should've already had his reasons clear to him on the lynch order if he was town.


I read it but just kept in the back of my mind as "possible true".
Rereading it now, I like the a lot. Shows TW is not finding mafia and just going with the flow this game.

And now I am pretty sure about the fact TW is somebody who does not care about how people perceive him but about solving the game. If needed on his own.


THIS is how you define TW's town game, correct?

Right, so now you are saying this whereas previously you said this:

On July 17 2017 02:40 Koshi wrote:
And TW is not the person who makes those kinda reads. Not 100% on that but I think I am right.


Mafia prefers to work with absolutes. So VA being lock town for being excited is way more likely coming from a mafia than a town.


So you've gone somehow from TW not being someone to make those reads into TW being someone that makes those reads and doesn't care how he looks (as town) out of thin air.

Where did that switch come from?

Holyflare
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July 16 2017 19:28 GMT
#1997
And how does he display solving the game as town koshi if you don't know how he plays town to begin with as outlined by your first quote when you say he doesn't speak in absolutes?
Holyflare
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July 16 2017 19:32 GMT
#2001
On July 17 2017 04:29 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2017 04:28 Holyflare wrote:
And how does he display solving the game as town koshi if you don't know how he plays town to begin with as outlined by your first quote when you say he doesn't speak in absolutes?

I actually do know how he plays as town because I played a ton of games with him. I just didn't know that fact for sure. AS I FUCKING SAID.


you said only mafia plays in absolutes (which is an absolute and therefore you're mafia) but actually TW as town plays in absolutes too so you have no idea what you're talking about and made up false meta
Holyflare
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July 16 2017 19:34 GMT
#2004
like I don't give a shit, TW is probably mafia, I'm getting the read on you because you're just pulling stuff out your butt from thin air and making it fit

smells like bus land to me
Holyflare
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July 16 2017 19:35 GMT
#2005
On July 17 2017 04:33 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2017 04:32 Holyflare wrote:
On July 17 2017 04:29 Koshi wrote:
On July 17 2017 04:28 Holyflare wrote:
And how does he display solving the game as town koshi if you don't know how he plays town to begin with as outlined by your first quote when you say he doesn't speak in absolutes?

I actually do know how he plays as town because I played a ton of games with him. I just didn't know that fact for sure. AS I FUCKING SAID.


you said only mafia plays in absolutes (which is an absolute and therefore you're mafia) but actually TW as town plays in absolutes too so you have no idea what you're talking about and made up false meta

While I said "I am not sure if he plays like this" So I didn't try to push false meta in the game. I just cba to check it because I thought I was right.

I fucking said: "I AM NOT SURE ABOUT THIS BUT"


I AM NOT SURE ABOUT THIS WRONG META THAT WAS POINTED OUT TO ME BEFOREHAND BUT here is my read that states TW is not solving the game like his town meta and is therefore mafia.
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July 16 2017 19:37 GMT
#2010
On July 17 2017 04:34 Holyflare wrote:
like I don't give a shit, TW is probably mafia, I'm getting the read on you because you're just pulling stuff out your butt from thin air and making it fit

smells like bus land to me

Holyflare
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July 16 2017 20:45 GMT
#2013
It's not horrible it's the objective truth. I think you're stuck in a corner and can't play to your self imposed ban because it's evidently not working out for you and so had to start bussing your team mate.

You were going to be the lynch today barring the cop claim and all you've really given us is this tw thing which already existed and he was going to get lynched after you. Basically nothing new.
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July 16 2017 20:47 GMT
#2014
Vivax please turn up.
Holyflare
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July 16 2017 21:01 GMT
#2017
Yeh so how do I auto the third without my best friend vivax?
Holyflare
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July 16 2017 21:14 GMT
#2023
Rels if you are green why are you not 100x over lynching ruxxar?
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July 16 2017 21:17 GMT
#2025
......
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 06:31 GMT
#2056
On July 17 2017 07:59 Koshi wrote:
It's quite amazing how I come in and find mafia. And then people just ignore the mafia and vote me while agreeing with my mafia reads.


You didn't find anything you just requoted what everyone had already said about tw and then effectively had no reads other than x is town, y is mafia.

It's your own fault for being lynched. Maybe next time play the game when people were asking you to and provide substantial content. Even rels played less than you and has provided more useful content.
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 06:34 GMT
#2057
It's also funny because you just call the votes on you/different wagons bad at the same time as calling them potential mafia because you have done absolutely nothing to dig to determine their alignments.

What questions have you asked people to gather any information on those votes? None. Just massive whine about me mafia siding which is absolutely hilarious.
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 07:03 GMT
#2058
And you say I'm mafia siding because you can't call me mafia :D :D
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July 17 2017 08:10 GMT
#2061
On July 17 2017 17:07 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2017 16:03 Holyflare wrote:
And you say I'm mafia siding because you can't call me mafia :D :D

Nha I am saying you are mafia siding because you are probably not mafia. Just bad.


If you're town you are mafia siding more cos you're getting lynched

Git gud.
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 08:19 GMT
#2063
On July 16 2017 05:57 emperorchampion wrote:
So in summary of the night and game so far:

- hf is lock town for me
- skynx might be town, but needs to stop being so lazy with his cases. Two half assed cases now, and almost lynched day 1.
- ruxxar is likely mafia. Few new reasons are his town reads of hf and skynx after they hard lock him mafia. Mafia motivation is that he doesn't know how to deal with the situation otherwise, so buddying is his only attempt. He gives no regard to tumbles town lock on him or vice versa, looks like buddying attempt to me. His day one reads are completely based on meta. The only reason for town reading me is honesty, despite having many similar reads and I would hope (but am maybe sorely mistaken) pretty strong town play this game.
- koshi needs to haul ass, unfortunately he can likely be mafia as well which is the only reason that in some insane world ruxxar is actually town. I believe that ruxxar started off with a "hey play better " sort of read. Then just never moved off it, and is now stuck bussing his teammate.
- tumble needs to explain his ruxxar read
- rayn still probably lock town, I admit I've been too lazy to read his filter this night
- sicklucker has been funny, but I've found that as both alignments, so will hopefully step up. End of day 1 seemed towny from him.
- damdy and geript don't have much to say here
- rels is super meh. Needs to explain why in his catching up just read only through rayns filter and just sheeped his top read
- vivax is likely town


Hmmm looks like mafia pointing out a team mate to me.
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 08:23 GMT
#2064
Maybe not though. We should 1000% be lynching koshi though. You guys just don't know what good mafia players look like when they try a bit. This is below subpar town koshi but he says he's playing well and got obvious mafia from a guy people already were gonna vote after him for reasons already in the thread so he's definitely mafia bussing.

I see all the signs.

QQ that he's got a really good case, berate people and call them mafia but do nothing about it, make absolutely no other fleshed out reads in the game. Classic scum bus.
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 08:24 GMT
#2066
Rekt
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 08:26 GMT
#2068
And then you do nothing about those people!
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 08:27 GMT
#2069
100% mafia!
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 08:28 GMT
#2070
On July 17 2017 08:29 Koshi wrote:
These last 5 votes have been so fucking horrible.

Based on a false accusation of HF.
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2017 02:26 sicklucker wrote:
##Vote Koshi


Completely wasted vote as nobody will join Rels ever. Great vote if you are both mafia though.
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On July 17 2017 06:01 Rels wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote emperorchampion


Says 2 people are mafia. Votes a third.

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On July 17 2017 06:38 Skynx wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: Ruxxar


Well this one makes sense.
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On July 17 2017 06:54 Tumblewood wrote:
##unvote
##vote koshi



Any follow up? No? Didn't think so.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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July 17 2017 08:30 GMT
#2072
You're a lame duck pushing a bus and can't call people out and then follow up. That's not town thought process. You don't even care that they're voting off wagon. Tw push is a legit push and people vote you off based on falsehoods and all you do is make a meek post calling them out and nothing more?

No. This isn't mafia god koshi is it? This is mafia koshi who can't quite piece it together.
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 08:34 GMT
#2074
I'm not getting any cred for tw lynch. I'm getting credit for your lynch though.
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 08:36 GMT
#2075
This is your only play. Omgus me as mafia cos you can't call all the people you already called out again with no reasons.
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 08:42 GMT
#2077
Yeh ruxxar has to be mafia though. No idea what rels is talking about with his point of view bs.
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 08:44 GMT
#2078
We'll see what koshi does with the rest of his day first
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 09:20 GMT
#2081
On July 17 2017 18:16 geript wrote:
Also, can those of you who are Town please shove your dicks back in your pants and stop trying to waggle them around and have a sword fight with them. Like, it's fucking terrible when I'm being the goddamn voice of reason.


So you're saying koshi has contributed solid analysis that has driven the game forward and been productive at calling out people?

Or you just like barking out and not acknowledging that he's pushed absolutely nobody he's called out?
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 09:21 GMT
#2082
I will not vote anyone other than koshi/tw/ruxxar today.

Maybe ec if someone does something convincing enough.
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 09:28 GMT
#2084
Summary of ruxxar this game:

100% koshi is mafia.

VA is definitely town bs tmi.

Makes up scum reads on me before even looking into it and then says he was wrong but still scum reads me somehow.

Disbelieved red check INSTANTLY voting off wagon on koshi.

Then starts nonsense about rels flipping green and definitely lynching me.

Then starts associating my play to defending koshi before rels has flipped/I've rescinded.

All of the cop stuff is setting up for a mislynch the next cycle.

Koshi is bussing tw/i call out koshi with ruxxar/he votes me over his early game 100% koshi even though he says I'm with koshi and he's more sure on that

Mafia plz. Sure there's a bunch I've forgotten about.
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 09:29 GMT
#2085
On July 17 2017 18:27 geript wrote:
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On July 17 2017 18:20 Holyflare wrote:
On July 17 2017 18:16 geript wrote:
Also, can those of you who are Town please shove your dicks back in your pants and stop trying to waggle them around and have a sword fight with them. Like, it's fucking terrible when I'm being the goddamn voice of reason.


So you're saying koshi has contributed solid analysis that has driven the game forward and been productive at calling out people?

Or you just like barking out and not acknowledging that he's pushed absolutely nobody he's called out?

I'm telling you to look at and evaluate what I wrote on EC. I haven't reread Koshi yet. If he's bussing EC; cool, I don't care which order I lynch them in. I do care about you getting in a pointless dick comparing contest with Koshi and shitting up the thread so I can't get a good lynch off. If you guys are dumb enough to lynch me or Damdred at Lylo, I at least want to flip someone who I think has a good chance for being scum. It's my fucking head on the chopping block (not Damdred's) in a game where I want to remind Rayn how stupid he is for not fucking listening to me. And I need your help because I'm pretty sure you're Town and I know you're a better player than I am.


How about reading koshi then because I don't trust anyone to listen after i get nkd.
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 09:29 GMT
#2087
I've read what you wrote. It's true he doesn't acknowledge it and then insta reads you town and it's scummy. I'll wait till his reply first though.
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 09:30 GMT
#2088
Nobody has said that? I don't think you're lying and I've listened to everything you've posted. Koshi is the bigger threat so read what I've been writing because you've dismissed it as pointless dick waving when it's not.
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 09:32 GMT
#2089
On July 17 2017 06:23 Rels wrote:
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On July 17 2017 06:14 Holyflare wrote:
Rels if you are green why are you not 100x over lynching ruxxar?

the way he thinks about the game makes me think of last game. Last game he had this idea of scum being in annul => he based all his game view on that. This game he sees you fakeclaiming a check => he's basing his game view on that. He watns to lynch you, and he doesn't understand why you're not voted.


If ruxxar is town this guy is definitely mafia though. Completely evades the entire subject of him not believing the check to begin with.
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 09:49 GMT
#2095
On July 17 2017 05:45 Holyflare wrote:
It's not horrible it's the objective truth. I think you're stuck in a corner and can't play to your self imposed ban because it's evidently not working out for you and so had to start bussing your team mate.

You were going to be the lynch today barring the cop claim and all you've really given us is this tw thing which already existed and he was going to get lynched after you. Basically nothing new.

On July 17 2017 15:31 Holyflare wrote:
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On July 17 2017 07:59 Koshi wrote:
It's quite amazing how I come in and find mafia. And then people just ignore the mafia and vote me while agreeing with my mafia reads.


You didn't find anything you just requoted what everyone had already said about tw and then effectively had no reads other than x is town, y is mafia.

On July 17 2017 15:34 Holyflare wrote:
It's also funny because you just call the votes on you/different wagons bad at the same time as calling them potential mafia because you have done absolutely nothing to dig to determine their alignments.

What questions have you asked people to gather any information on those votes? None.

On July 17 2017 17:23 Holyflare wrote:
Maybe not though. We should 1000% be lynching koshi though. You guys just don't know what good mafia players look like when they try a bit. This is below subpar town koshi but he says he's playing well and got obvious mafia from a guy people already were gonna vote after him for reasons already in the thread so he's definitely mafia bussing.

I see all the signs.

QQ that he's got a really good case, berate people and call them mafia but do nothing about it, make absolutely no other fleshed out reads in the game. Classic scum bus.


His tw read is tmi too because it goes from:

1. TW is mafia because he made a read on va that va is excited so he's town and only mafia make absolute reads like that

-insert being told he does that as town too-

2. TW is mafia because all he cares about is solving the game as town and he's not doing that here.

Then proceeds to link newbie mafia where tw does talk in absolutes such as on page 2-3 where he says grack is town for having a gem of a post but never backs it up. Or where he says bh is town but never ever ever has a valid reason until end game where it's forced out of him. He then uses the above to prove number 2 when instead it just disproves number 1.

I don't disagree that tw is probably mafia this game but koshi is bending things to fit. He's trying to complete a jigsaw by ramming corner pieces in the middle.
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 09:58 GMT
#2096
On July 17 2017 18:34 Koshi wrote:
Skynx is by far the best player this game.


You know how incongruous this post is? Koshi has previously berated rels for voting on emperorchampion

Completely wasted vote as nobody will join Rels ever. Great vote if you are both mafia though.
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On July 17 2017 06:01 Rels wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote emperorchampion


On July 17 2017 03:47 Koshi wrote:
TW/Rels/EC/sicklucker

Pretty happy with it.


But ec is in his mafia list.

Now where is skynx's vote?

On July 17 2017 06:38 Skynx wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: Ruxxar


Not on the wagon at all either. Koshi even posts this out in his berating of the last 5 votes post.

Now skynx is top town for (????) and rels is just mafia with ec even though rels is pointing out inconsistencies on koshi's scum read (ec) and skynx is just voting off ruxxar who koshi doesn't even scum read.
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 09:59 GMT
#2097
I don't buy it at all. This isn't town koshi piecing together things and fighting for his reads and trying to be mafia god, this is koshi struggling to put together a failing spree of posts that say and do nothing.
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 10:18 GMT
#2099
On July 17 2017 19:12 Koshi wrote:
I like how HF is twisting every post I make into something that it isn't and isn't even bothered with the content.
I don't say my list is confirmed worse than Skynx his. I am saying skynx is close to where I am and is doing it way cleaner than I am. So he is doing better. And I said it because I was rereading his filter. Nothing more. Nothing less.

+ Show Spoiler +
On July 16 2017 03:41 Skynx wrote:
I promissed a list so there we go

Never lynch town: rayn, HF, geript, Damdred
rayn has been the town pillar this game, not really need to say more + we had the exact same scumlist yesterday.
This is town HF, he's been diving into detail finding little stuff on Ruxxar that i liked, he was instantly on VA, etc. He is scumhunting decently so far.
geript and damdy are uncontested masons, breadcrumbed earlier + Show Spoiler +
On July 13 2017 08:44 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2017 07:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
geript is actually also prolly mafia
´


He's totally town brah


On July 13 2017 08:47 Damdred wrote:
Also I will burn this thread to the ground over geript, just so everyone knows.

I think rayb is also town.

Tina probably not town at this point, rux not sure but he's a bit nitpicky go me atm.


On July 13 2017 09:07 Damdred wrote:
I think geript is town for these reasons

1) he has no real motivation as scum. Look at his previous games and as scum he's a leader and always have a plan.

Here he's just eh.

2) He leaves himself in bad positions with his opinions. Like his opening post had no real logic behind it which us a town trait for geript early. As scum he could of fakes a reason instead he went eh Idk.

3) I just know he's town this game. (Imo)

so i don't really doubt the claim. There is a case where they do this as scum but that will be apparent if they don't die D2-3 anyway so don't have to worry about this read for a while

Town: rsoultinVivax
I bought tinas raging in the thread and now replacing out of emotion is really convincing. I don't see a mafia doing this, it would just be very unsportsmanlike (altho confirming Vivax like this is very dicky aswell)

Null: Rels, sicklucker
Unreadable boyz in da hood of D1, voted VA cuz VA is bad. Need to step up bigtime now.

Scum: TW, Ruxxar, emperor

They have all done objectively scummy shit, all in my filter so go look it up.

Koshi is on a category of his own, he hasn't done a towny thing so far so that warrants a scumread on its own but i just can't bring together a case looking at his filter. He needs to be lynched at some point if he keeps going like this.



I never said anything about a list. I'm saying you're praising skynx who is voting off your tw wagon and not voting a scum read of yours while saying rels is mafia who is pushing a scum read of yours and looking at posts of ec, your scum read.

And then giving absolutely 0 content as to why any of these reads exist. Repeatedly.
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 10:20 GMT
#2100
And that list is the same list as about every single person in this game lol.
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 10:21 GMT
#2101
Rels what is your scum list?
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 10:35 GMT
#2105
On July 17 2017 19:29 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2017 19:18 Holyflare wrote:
On July 17 2017 19:12 Koshi wrote:
I like how HF is twisting every post I make into something that it isn't and isn't even bothered with the content.
I don't say my list is confirmed worse than Skynx his. I am saying skynx is close to where I am and is doing it way cleaner than I am. So he is doing better. And I said it because I was rereading his filter. Nothing more. Nothing less.

+ Show Spoiler +
On July 16 2017 03:41 Skynx wrote:
I promissed a list so there we go

Never lynch town: rayn, HF, geript, Damdred
rayn has been the town pillar this game, not really need to say more + we had the exact same scumlist yesterday.
This is town HF, he's been diving into detail finding little stuff on Ruxxar that i liked, he was instantly on VA, etc. He is scumhunting decently so far.
geript and damdy are uncontested masons, breadcrumbed earlier + Show Spoiler +
On July 13 2017 08:44 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2017 07:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
geript is actually also prolly mafia
´


He's totally town brah


On July 13 2017 08:47 Damdred wrote:
Also I will burn this thread to the ground over geript, just so everyone knows.

I think rayb is also town.

Tina probably not town at this point, rux not sure but he's a bit nitpicky go me atm.


On July 13 2017 09:07 Damdred wrote:
I think geript is town for these reasons

1) he has no real motivation as scum. Look at his previous games and as scum he's a leader and always have a plan.

Here he's just eh.

2) He leaves himself in bad positions with his opinions. Like his opening post had no real logic behind it which us a town trait for geript early. As scum he could of fakes a reason instead he went eh Idk.

3) I just know he's town this game. (Imo)

so i don't really doubt the claim. There is a case where they do this as scum but that will be apparent if they don't die D2-3 anyway so don't have to worry about this read for a while

Town: rsoultinVivax
I bought tinas raging in the thread and now replacing out of emotion is really convincing. I don't see a mafia doing this, it would just be very unsportsmanlike (altho confirming Vivax like this is very dicky aswell)

Null: Rels, sicklucker
Unreadable boyz in da hood of D1, voted VA cuz VA is bad. Need to step up bigtime now.

Scum: TW, Ruxxar, emperor

They have all done objectively scummy shit, all in my filter so go look it up.

Koshi is on a category of his own, he hasn't done a towny thing so far so that warrants a scumread on its own but i just can't bring together a case looking at his filter. He needs to be lynched at some point if he keeps going like this.



I never said anything about a list. I'm saying you're praising skynx who is voting off your tw wagon and not voting a scum read of yours while saying rels is mafia who is pushing a scum read of yours and looking at posts of ec, your scum read.

And then giving absolutely 0 content as to why any of these reads exist. Repeatedly.

If only I made a post pointing out him voting Rux while he said TW and Koshi are bussing each other. And then whined about it some more in a following post. In which I probably forgot to quote his vote.

If only...


Yes, I saw you did that but you never called him mafia like you did for rels.
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 10:36 GMT
#2106
You know, like I typed in that post I just wrote.
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 10:41 GMT
#2109
Simply there's a massive discrepancy between:

On July 17 2017 06:46 Koshi wrote:
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On July 17 2017 06:36 Skynx wrote:
On July 17 2017 06:29 Koshi wrote:
On July 17 2017 06:24 Skynx wrote:
Do we have any reason to lynch Koshi over Ruxxar?

Let's lynch TW.

Park the bus.

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On July 17 2017 06:38 Skynx wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: Ruxxar

I don't understand.


When Skynx votes for your non-mafia read and rels who you just flat out call mafia for pushing your scum read.

You clearly hadn't read skynx's filter at this point and he's voting on ruxxar who you town read but you don't call him mafia.

Why do you call rels mafia for doing the same thing when rels is quoting ec posts and voting off wagon but on your mafia read?

What's the difference between skynx and rels that makes you scum read someone who is pushing your scum read with 24 hours to go over someone pushing your town read?
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 10:44 GMT
#2111
Here's your list:

Ec/rels/tw/sl

Rels pushes ec and votes ec - he's mafia bussing

Skynx pushes ruxxar and votes ruxxar - you don't understand and nothing more

Why is rels mafia for pushing someone you think is mafia but skynx is not when he's pushing someone you think is town? What makes rels a more likely bussing attempt when you're qqing about people scum reading you FOR THE EXACT SAME THING.
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 10:45 GMT
#2112
There's a fundamental break down in your thought process that quite clearly makes you mafi.
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 10:59 GMT
#2115
On July 17 2017 19:46 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2017 19:41 Holyflare wrote:
Simply there's a massive discrepancy between:

On July 17 2017 06:46 Koshi wrote:
On July 17 2017 06:36 Skynx wrote:
On July 17 2017 06:29 Koshi wrote:
On July 17 2017 06:24 Skynx wrote:
Do we have any reason to lynch Koshi over Ruxxar?

Let's lynch TW.

Park the bus.

On July 17 2017 06:38 Skynx wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: Ruxxar

I don't understand.


When Skynx votes for your non-mafia read and rels who you just flat out call mafia for pushing your scum read.

You clearly hadn't read skynx's filter at this point and he's voting on ruxxar who you town read but you don't call him mafia.

Why do you call rels mafia for doing the same thing when rels is quoting ec posts and voting off wagon but on your mafia read?

What's the difference between skynx and rels that makes you scum read someone who is pushing your scum read with 24 hours to go over someone pushing your town read?

To other people than HF:
Both points 1 and 2 didn't happen. Here you see mafia HF creating a question based on 2 events that didn't even happen. Pretty hilarious.


You have a list of people that are mafia: rels/sl/tw/ec.

Rels posts his vote and you say his vote is pointless and pretty great if they're mafia together. You haven't bothered to read rels at all and he is one of two/three people pushing ec. You say his vote would be great if they're mafia together implying it's a bus. If you are implying he's town or you don't know then why is his vote pointless if it's on your scum read?

A pointless vote means it will achieve nothing but you repeatedly say you have nothing to town read ec about and rels is delving into ec posts. That sounds amazingly like it's a good vote. Tw has one vote and that's you so how is it any different to your vote?

The second point is actually correct and my bad, you say you reread skynx filter. But the discrepancy still absolutely stands. Skynx is lynching ruxxar who you town read wheras rels is lynching ec who you scum read. Only one of your quotes was posted with a bussing attempt comment (rels) whereas skynx was just you saying you don't understand.
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 11:00 GMT
#2116
Let's ask another question seeing as nobody else cares. Why is rels vote pointless when it has the same amount of votes as your choice of wagon and is on someone who you have no reason to town read?
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 11:09 GMT
#2117
As a gift to the thread I will stop posting about Koshi and berate you all post game.
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 11:23 GMT
#2120
Then look at rels next please.

I accept your rels answer but still have qualms about skynx since you say it's weird and can't do anything more than point it out but you've just been saying skynx is looking good which is a bit of a weird mismatch.

But I'll allow it and let you work.
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 11:36 GMT
#2122
Ec you should respond to geript posts.
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 11:37 GMT
#2123
On July 17 2017 18:13 geript wrote:
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On July 17 2017 17:12 Rels wrote:
On July 17 2017 14:10 geript wrote:
Who ever mafia is, I'm pretty sure they're all bussing each other right now. It feels like most people are having reasonably close lynch lists.

I actually don't hate Rels post on EC. I went and looked at his recent games (resistance [scum], 72hr and another mini). In all his games he quotes a decent amount. But in his town games, things seem to stick out to him a bit more and he seems a bit more idk paranoid. Like he'll flag posts and shit. Length wise, there doesn't seem to be a major difference between alignments that I noticed (either in post length or volume). Tone wise; he seems a bit more self-assured as mafia. It's not a read I'm wholly confident in, but it actually feels like a good place to bury a vote. His response to the claim was pretty fucking off too. Like everyone seems to take a side on it and he doesn't even seem to notice it. Like it's something irrelevant which (as far as masons go) I think is more consistent with being mafia. The big thing though is that he doesn't really seem to have any "eh that seems sketchy" type posts; there's nothing that catches his eye. Rather there's only things he seems to comment on this game. That's the big carry away for me.

SL seems boring. I don't hate killing him either. I can't find a single post of his that gets me hard. Which in looking at Rels filter; Rels at least as a few that make me stop and think.

Right now I'm going to ignore Skynx; partly because I think I want him to be scum and am not sure I can be reasonably unbiased. Also in part because I think EC is a decent shot for scum and EC didn't hate a Skynx lynch but ended up on the VA wagon. EC always seems to want to throw scum on Skynx, but always seems to find a way to push someone else to the top for relatively weak reasons. Especially + Show Spoiler [This Post] +
On July 14 2017 20:48 emperorchampion wrote:
Ok so caught up, quick post below .

I kinda had / have similar thoughts with rux regarding this "analytical" thing. I think it could be both skynx and geript as town. Plus points to rux for this, but I don't know why he's a bit more waffly on this. Maybe it's just the way people are trying to portray it right now, since I guess koshi is still number 1 for him.

In summary: skynx, geript, ruxxar seem ok for now on the basis that to me they look like they're trying hard. This could come from either alignment, but I'd like to keep them for now. Only thing is Skynx recent outburst is a bit strange. I dunno why so mad.

@skynx: is geript past the point of you could potentially think he's town?

I think ruxxar had some questions for me that I probably didn't answer here, I'll hopefully get around to that before the deadline.

I think my poe list is pretty much va and rels now? rsoul is ok for me for now, would be nice to see if there is any read progression on me from her. think my thing next is to re examine koshi, could easily be sleeping on him.

For now gonna park my vote on va.
where he finds a way to find him kinda town and kinda scum. It's just hard to evaluate Skynx fairly for me right now; but I still kinda think he scum.

I'll look at Koshi and TW in the morning.

I don't understand the bolded ?

Like when I claimed mason, Rayn lost his shit. EC is there posting on relatively recent shit and just ignoring commenting on it. Posts this:
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On July 15 2017 05:42 emperorchampion wrote:
Meh koshi is not great, if va did something to do defend I could move. Sad, but not sad at all if he's mafia.

Good places to look: koshi damdred skynx/rux/geript

Like you either think I'm scum and fake claiming or I'm blue. There's literally no in between ground. I'm obviously claiming confirmed Town mason with Damdred and he's obvious explaining sitting on his vote.

When I ping him on it:
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On July 15 2017 05:45 emperorchampion wrote:
On July 15 2017 05:43 geript wrote:
Really surprised EC hasn't commented on the claim.

About the masons?

He's obviously aware of the claim.
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On July 15 2017 05:50 emperorchampion wrote:
Ok cool, two names to scratch off my list

Then fully accepts it.

Like if you think Damdred and I are good people to look into, then flat out accept the claim it's pretty odd. On top of it, he's had Skynx in his lynch list throughout. If I have 2 confirmed Town pushing a lynch on a guy I find scummy, I'm pretty likely to sheep their vote. It's weird to need much more to push off from one mediocre lynch to another.
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On July 15 2017 05:56 emperorchampion wrote:
im getting a bit of cold feet on va, but I dunno about moving off

It's weird to be getting cold feet about a lynch, be okay with the opposite wagon led by confirmed Town and not jump ship.

It's just a whole mess of unusual all around.

Holyflare
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July 17 2017 11:53 GMT
#2130
On July 17 2017 20:43 emperorchampion wrote:
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On July 17 2017 20:40 emperorchampion wrote:
Is it really that odd to accept a mason claim? I don't find it too particularly odd. Everyone else accepted it.


Like this here is empirical evidence that it's not that odd.


Nobody really accepted it?
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 11:55 GMT
#2132
On July 15 2017 05:48 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2017 05:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Damdred are you masons?


Yes will 100% back his claim

On July 15 2017 05:50 emperorchampion wrote:
Ok cool, two names to scratch off my list


This is the order though so what EC is saying makes sense.
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July 17 2017 11:57 GMT
#2135
On July 16 2017 06:11 Skynx wrote:
Cop and mason can exist at the same time imo, not ready to unclear damdy and geript altho they have been real bad.


Could be tmi tbh
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July 17 2017 12:10 GMT
#2139
On July 17 2017 20:59 emperorchampion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2017 20:57 Holyflare wrote:
On July 16 2017 06:11 Skynx wrote:
Cop and mason can exist at the same time imo, not ready to unclear damdy and geript altho they have been real bad.


Could be tmi tbh


How though, mafia don't know the setup either.


Because to mafia the millers are legit and I'm town so it has to be a legit setup to them or me fake claiming. Which is why ruxxar is suspicious and also why that post is suspicious.
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 12:10 GMT
#2140
Masons not millers.
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 13:24 GMT
#2151
Not mafia tho
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 13:25 GMT
#2153
Maybe stop being bad and post a case on tw that's founded on this game. Nobody is gonna listen to meta you're not even sure on. Didn't work out for you on va so why now?

Cases based on in game logic best sheepable cases.
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 13:27 GMT
#2154
And koshi's plan is bad cos obviously you no lynch on a cycle where it's 4v2
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 13:28 GMT
#2156
I'd rather he read the thread first though for context.
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 13:59 GMT
#2160
Did your mason chat break?
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 16:41 GMT
#2175
Nobody cares about a meta case even if he's obviously mafia, that's all there is.
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 16:42 GMT
#2176
On July 18 2017 01:30 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2017 01:28 Koshi wrote:
It is extremely fucked up TW hasn't got a single vote though. Like... I haven't seen that ever. So many people scumread him but I can't get a single vote on him.

strange for a guy like you with no town cred and a bullshit case


Why is his case bull shit though?
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 16:43 GMT
#2177
Why didn't you look into rels, koshi?
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 17:18 GMT
#2184
Honestly I don't even care who gets lynched out of 90% of the game.
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 17:19 GMT
#2186
Damdred give me a paraphrased summary of your qt with geript please.
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 17:21 GMT
#2187
On July 15 2017 05:12 emperorchampion wrote:
Btw I think hf is town for something not stupid. Won't say but feel pretty good about it


Explain this please
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 18:07 GMT
#2203
Why didn't you share it?
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 18:07 GMT
#2205
On July 18 2017 02:43 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2017 02:18 Holyflare wrote:
Honestly I don't even care who gets lynched out of 90% of the game.


Of course mafia doesn't care.


Is this all you're going to do? Why am I mafia?
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 19:28 GMT
#2233
On July 18 2017 04:08 Tumblewood wrote:
imma have to flip and say ec is lynchbait here


I endorse this read wholeheartedly.
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 19:29 GMT
#2239
On July 18 2017 04:28 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2017 04:24 Rels wrote:
On July 18 2017 04:21 sicklucker wrote:
rels why were you asking me stupid questions like did I really believe hf's claim what were you trying to get out of it

I wanted to know if you believed the claim or not. Still want to know btw. I have this view about how you play and I want to match it with your posts


I said already but I absolutely believed him. he recently went on a tirade against me about how I didnt claim with a red check and was awful and here he claims with a red check.

Of course I didnt even have a red check but thats another story


That was totes the plan yo.
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 19:30 GMT
#2240
I don't like the ec wagon. He looks innocent every time he posts.
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 19:31 GMT
#2242
On July 18 2017 04:28 Vivax wrote:
I'm just tempted to sheep dead rayn onto emc along with geript for now since I still miss more than half of the game. Anyway, off to delve while I vote emc.


Perhaps just finish reading the game. The skynx case that rayn sheeped is already provably false iirc.
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 19:32 GMT
#2244
Ec isn't mafia, back the fuck off.
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 19:33 GMT
#2245
Today we lynch koshi for bussing tw.
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 19:34 GMT
#2247
Rels. Drop ec for now. Who is next lynch for you and why?
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 19:35 GMT
#2249
On July 18 2017 04:34 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2017 04:33 emperorchampion wrote:
On July 18 2017 04:28 Vivax wrote:
I'm just tempted to sheep dead rayn onto emc along with geript for now since I still miss more than half of the game. Anyway, off to delve while I vote emc.


Jesus, I can save you some time in that rayn thought I was pretty town, and his reasons for thinking I could maybe be scum is a case that skynx made. Skynx himself has since backed off this case


he literally called you mafia 3 posts before he died.... you were his strongest mafia read wtf


Because of the skynx case you tit.
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 19:38 GMT
#2256
On July 16 2017 00:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What i mean is what Koshi said is a 100% wrong conclusion, he was talking about TMI and that you didnt have that, when HF was arguing the opposite. We all know if you had TMI or not, so you cannot ever call that read townie. Maybe nai but never townie...


On July 16 2017 00:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
As it makes 100% sense as mafia to know or "come to a conclusion" that you dont have TMI since townies usually don't.

On July 16 2017 00:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2017 00:05 emperorchampion wrote:
Has koshi responded at all to ruxxar's pressure on him all game so far? Like if they're scum buddies does rux go balls to the wall since day 1?

I already talked about this, ruxxar did nothing with his super scumread on Koshi.
I don't see why they cant be mafia together.



Just wanna paste this here about koshi.

When damdred made his geript read I called it tmi and damd is mafia because he usually doesn't make those reads.

Koshi comes and says it makes damd town because it's totally a towny read progression which was bull shit because he had tmi. This was koshi displaying perfect information in the thread.
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 19:39 GMT
#2257
On July 18 2017 04:37 sicklucker wrote:
If someone backs off from a case that does not mean the case he said was good is invalid to him. w/e not important


The guy backed off from his casw because his whole argument was about timestamps and it got proven false. Rayn died before this was proven.
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 19:39 GMT
#2259
On July 18 2017 04:38 sicklucker wrote:
guys the hosts are telling us not to vote koshi. what does this mean!

dundundun mind games


Mafia has a vote rigger.
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 19:40 GMT
#2260
On July 18 2017 04:39 emperorchampion wrote:
I'm willing to admit that rels could be town, but it's hella hard to see through some of the shit you're trying to push.


What has changed since you just posted all the reasons for him to be mafia?
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 19:41 GMT
#2262
He's gone out it's perfect time to lynch him because then he'll be super mad that nobody voted tw and it will be hilarious.
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 19:42 GMT
#2264
And he's mafia so it's a bonus to punish how he played d1 and not to suck as mafia next time.
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 19:42 GMT
#2266
On July 18 2017 04:41 sicklucker wrote:
hahaha. but hes been so nice to me lately =[


He scum reads you though so it's the perfect reason to further your agenda.
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 19:44 GMT
#2268
He wasn't the vote leader when he left.

Also damdred you didn't answer my post earlier. Please provide a paraphrasing of your mason qt for me. All of it.
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 19:46 GMT
#2271
On July 18 2017 04:45 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2017 04:34 Holyflare wrote:
Rels. Drop ec for now. Who is next lynch for you and why?

I'm not, it's the lynch I want. I would lynch TW over Koshi if it's between these two, but I don't think Koshi is scum.


Ec isn't scum either.
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 19:51 GMT
#2274
because he's mafia jesus christ it's not that hard

his only read is basically afk tumblewood and absolutely nothing else of substance at all
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 20:01 GMT
#2278
On July 18 2017 04:54 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2017 04:51 Holyflare wrote:
because he's mafia jesus christ it's not that hard

his only read is basically afk tumblewood and absolutely nothing else of substance at all

Disagree. I agree with him on TW. I got angry when he was talking to you and it seemed real. And I liked his post on votes - seems like he was thinking about the game as a whole.


all trash non game content posts??????????????

his tw read is entirely meta
his read on you and skynx is wildly inconsistent and doesn't match up at all
his post on votes is nonsense and not related to anybody's content the entire game, where was he pushing ANY of these people that he was complaining about?

did he once call someone mafia from any of those votes?
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 20:01 GMT
#2279
On July 18 2017 05:01 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2017 04:54 Rels wrote:
On July 18 2017 04:51 Holyflare wrote:
because he's mafia jesus christ it's not that hard

his only read is basically afk tumblewood and absolutely nothing else of substance at all

Disagree. I agree with him on TW. I got angry when he was talking to you and it seemed real. And I liked his post on votes - seems like he was thinking about the game as a whole.


all trash non game content posts??????????????

his tw read is entirely meta
his read on you and skynx is wildly inconsistent and doesn't match up at all
his post on votes is nonsense and not related to anybody's content the entire game, where was he pushing ANY of these people that he was complaining about?

did he once call someone mafia from any of those votes?


let me just clarify this, it's not even a fucking read it's just him whining about votes doing nothing at all
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 20:02 GMT
#2281
"oh boo hoo my scum reads aren't doing anything"??????????????????????????????????????????????

like his poe is 4 fucking people and if he's solved it down to there why does he give a shit that his mafia reads are doing nothing??????????????????????????????

rels are you mafia?
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 20:12 GMT
#2284
On July 18 2017 04:54 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2017 04:51 Holyflare wrote:
because he's mafia jesus christ it's not that hard

his only read is basically afk tumblewood and absolutely nothing else of substance at all

Disagree. I agree with him on TW. I got angry when he was talking to you and it seemed real. And I liked his post on votes - seems like he was thinking about the game as a whole.


let me just restate in case people missed it

his tw meta was fabricated bull shit, just like his va one where he didn't even know what the meta was but STILL voted for va

when it was proven his meta was bull shit he rejigged the read to be something else comparable and it doesn't make sense
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 20:14 GMT
#2288
The EC wagon is a travesty.
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 20:16 GMT
#2290
side with the mafia people on koshi
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 20:26 GMT
#2309
On July 18 2017 05:18 Koshi wrote:
HF showing face like there is no tomorrow.


I don't wear a mask.
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 20:28 GMT
#2317
On July 18 2017 05:19 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2017 05:14 Holyflare wrote:
The EC wagon is a travesty.

It's literally 3 innocent childs and Rels.


yes and one of those innocent childs are sheeping a read that is wrong and the other 2 basically ignore the thread but come back every so often to write another thing about ec
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 20:28 GMT
#2318
On July 18 2017 05:26 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2017 05:24 Damdred wrote:
Idk I still feel like town koshi would go a bit more for tw in this context and not just lamely hit ec with a vote.

Come on... Really? You think that after 24 hours me pushing TW NOW SUDDENLY everybody is going to vote TW?

I tried for fucking 24 hours.........

Come the fuck on Damdred.


your tw push is meek as fuck dude what shit are you smoking?
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 20:29 GMT
#2319
I wouldn't even be surprised if vivax is mafia at this point. I don't care if he's basically confirmed town it just wouldn't surprise me with his posts and afking.
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 20:30 GMT
#2323
On July 18 2017 05:27 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2017 05:26 Holyflare wrote:
On July 18 2017 05:18 Koshi wrote:
HF showing face like there is no tomorrow.

I don't wear a mask.

You don't even care the 3 confirmed town are on EC and you are voting with TW.


You're right, I really don't
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 20:30 GMT
#2325
let's lynch tw then?
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 20:31 GMT
#2330
On July 18 2017 05:30 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2017 05:28 Holyflare wrote:
On July 18 2017 05:19 Koshi wrote:
On July 18 2017 05:14 Holyflare wrote:
The EC wagon is a travesty.

It's literally 3 innocent childs and Rels.


yes and one of those innocent childs are sheeping a read that is wrong and the other 2 basically ignore the thread but come back every so often to write another thing about ec

Right because the 2 hours I spen readin your post, reading his filter, finding the comments in context were totally continuing my EC read.


you missed what I wrote and quoted an old post and I was disappointed but I didn't want to write it to disappoint you
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 20:33 GMT
#2331
##unvote
##vote tumblewood
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 20:34 GMT
#2339
On July 18 2017 05:34 geript wrote:
Then fucking bring it back up? Is it the thing about the votes and calling people shit?


can't be bothered, lynch tw
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 20:37 GMT
#2343
ruxxar is the biggest mafia asset
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 20:45 GMT
#2355
yeh but if tw is town then koshi is confirmed mafia so it's all good in the hood
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 20:50 GMT
#2372
On July 18 2017 05:48 emperorchampion wrote:
Fuck it I'm voting ruxxar


confirming yourself mafia with tw here
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 20:51 GMT
#2375
I mean tw what do you want us to do? YOu've played like a spectator all game and that's just what you said last game when you were mafia

no passion
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 20:51 GMT
#2377
tw/sl/ec
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 20:54 GMT
#2385
Holyflare (2) - Rels, ruXxar, emperorchampion

???
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 20:56 GMT
#2389
On July 18 2017 05:55 Tumblewood wrote:
i seriously don't know what you want me to do. you just lynch me every fucking game for stupid shit


I mean I haven't read your filter so that's my bad I guess? But you clearly didn't put in enough work to not be lynched so that's on you.
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 20:59 GMT
#2402
tw is 2% of the thread activity compared to 6.2% as town doctor and 0.8% as mafia

verging on mafia % here, think you'd be more active as a town than when you blue too
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 21:06 GMT
#2408
and why did we switch off tumble?
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 21:08 GMT
#2410
sl is absolutely confirmed mafia now
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 21:28 GMT
#2421
that's a shit read rels stop it
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 21:42 GMT
#2425
did you read the same deadline as me?
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 21:53 GMT
#2427
the one where sl is up for voting koshi but then jumps to sheep to koshi's target but then as soon as that wagon looks like it's set he instant derails it to ruxxar?
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 22:02 GMT
#2432
On July 18 2017 06:58 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2017 06:08 Holyflare wrote:
sl is absolutely confirmed mafia now


i dont think tumble is mafia his reaction was so good. probably ec koshi


you said it before his reaction was good
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 22:58 GMT
#2439
On July 18 2017 06:35 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2017 06:08 Holyflare wrote:
sl is absolutely confirmed mafia now

Also pondering if this is mafia!HF pointing out mafia!sl because I have no clue why sl would be mafia for the Ruxxar lynch and HF feels no need to inform the thread.


You're so full of shit and there's no way you're town. I just tried to get your mafia target lynched and you don't even update your reads.
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 22:59 GMT
#2440
Trade solid koshi lynch for mafia partner tumble into bus sl post flip after he derailed it for no reasonok
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 23:01 GMT
#2441
Never ever lynch anyone other than koshi tomorrow. Don't let rels tell you otherwise. There is no way he has this read list after that deadline in any town koshi game in existence.
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 23:34 GMT
#2451
On July 18 2017 08:15 Koshi wrote:
And sicklucker was also voting me a while.
HOLY FUCK
I didn't even notice this till now.
4 remaining mafia candidates on me.


I literally just called this out. Soooo full of crap.
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 23:39 GMT
#2452
On July 18 2017 05:30 Holyflare wrote:
let's lynch tw then?


On July 18 2017 05:31 sicklucker wrote:
hell ya


On July 18 2017 05:41 Rels wrote:
both EC and TW are good lynches.


^ never ever joins tw lynch even though hard town reads ruxxar


On July 18 2017 05:45 sicklucker wrote:
LETS KILL RUXXARRRRR 0.o


Randomly says we should lynch ruxxar BEFORE TW HAS EVEN POSTED HIS BS QQ.
Holyflare
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July 17 2017 23:40 GMT
#2453
Rels/sl/tw good team comp if I allow my judgment to become unclouded on koshi
Holyflare
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July 18 2017 07:52 GMT
#2460
With a fresh mind I have determined that rels is mafia and ec/tw/ruxxar wagons were all town.
Holyflare
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July 18 2017 07:55 GMT
#2461
On July 18 2017 07:03 sicklucker wrote:
I said what? I would have voted ruxxar regardless of tumbles reaction. but because of tumbles good reaction I actively tried to get dandred to move which he did


I misread that which is why I initially scum read you. Thought it said you switched because of his reaction instead of making other people switch because of it.

But STILL that means you actively tried to sabotage the tw wagon before his towny outburst, the wagon that would have given us the MOST information possible.

Why did you even switch? What possible reason was there to lynch ruxxar over tw right at deadline when nothing had changed?
Holyflare
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July 18 2017 07:57 GMT
#2462
I'm super salty we didn't flip tw and potentially confirm koshi mafia
Holyflare
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July 18 2017 08:26 GMT
#2466
I don't think they are mafia.
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July 18 2017 08:33 GMT
#2467
Rels town reads ruxxar, scum reads ec and tw. Around at deadline and does nothing to save ruxxar or hammer tw. (saw him on battlerite at deadline time too) :p

On July 17 2017 06:29 beentheredonethat wrote:
D2: Vote Count #3


  • Rels (5) - Holyflare, sicklucker, Skynx, Damdred, geript, ruXxar, Tumblewood
  • Koshi (2) - ruXxar, emperorchampion, Holyflare, Rels
  • Holyflare (1) - Rels, ruXxar
  • Tumblewood (1) - Koshi
  • emperorchampion (1) - Rels


Non-voters (1) - Vivax



Someone, apparently Rels, is about to leave us in (at Monday, Jul 17 9:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)).

Voting is mandatory!


These are the votes just before skynx decides it's far better to vote ruxxar than anyone else. Let's just remind ourselves that skynx reads these guys:

On July 17 2017 22:59 Skynx wrote:
I'm going out now, not gona be around EoD.

Lynching any of Koshi/TW/Rux is fine, im staying on rux just in case you guys wanna switch later on.

If anyone gets lynched i will be very upset tomorrow. Happy hunting.


As mafia. So why does he vote ruxxar afk off any wagon instead of rels or koshi or tw? Even says koshi is bussing tw but won't put his money where his mouth is.

On July 15 2017 06:02 beentheredonethat wrote:
D1: Final Vote Count


  • rsoultin (0) - Holyflare, Koshi, Damdred, VayneAuthority
  • ruXxar (0) - raynpelikoneet
  • Koshi (1) - ruXxar, rsoultin
  • emperorchampion (0) - rsoultin
  • raynpelikoneet (0) - sicklucker, Skynx
  • VayneAuthority (6) - raynpelikoneet, Holyflare, sicklucker, emperorchampion, Rels, Koshi
  • Skynx (5) - geript, ruXxar, Damdred, VayneAuthority, Tumblewood
  • geript (1) - Skynx

Non-voters (0) -



Looks like the grave for VayneAuthority is ready.


This is the second lynch in a row skynx has put his vote on an outlier instead of deciding on a wagon and just afkd the deadline.

I don't buy it.
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July 18 2017 08:34 GMT
#2468
Skynx/rels are essentially the mafia team I have. Anyone else is up in the air.
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July 18 2017 08:35 GMT
#2469
On July 18 2017 06:10 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2017 06:09 Damdred wrote:
On July 18 2017 05:57 Tumblewood wrote:
koshi is 100% mafia and it's your fault he is not dying. i take 0% of the blame.
otherwise it's between rels, skynx, sl. or if there's another blue the masons could be scum, maybe. but if you do not lynching koshi tomorrow or you lynch ruxxar ever i will flame in postgame and obs


This felt and still feels like a town rage when he's getting lynched for stupid reasons in his mind.

maybe. Dunno. Will have to check meta to see if he can do it. But the fact that he showed up 15 min before deadline only after becoming the main wagon is a great scum indicator


Rels was also completely shitting all over tw at deadline AND STILL DIDN'T VOTE HIM.
Holyflare
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July 18 2017 08:39 GMT
#2470
On July 18 2017 04:45 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2017 04:34 Holyflare wrote:
Rels. Drop ec for now. Who is next lynch for you and why?

I'm not, it's the lynch I want. I would lynch TW over Koshi if it's between these two, but I don't think Koshi is scum.

On July 18 2017 05:49 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2017 05:47 Rels wrote:
lol TW showing up close to deadline only after becomiung the main wagon is a good sign

like, means he was probably monitering the thread. Percentage of chance is higher than just coincidence

On July 18 2017 06:10 Rels wrote:
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On July 18 2017 06:09 Damdred wrote:
On July 18 2017 05:57 Tumblewood wrote:
koshi is 100% mafia and it's your fault he is not dying. i take 0% of the blame.
otherwise it's between rels, skynx, sl. or if there's another blue the masons could be scum, maybe. but if you do not lynching koshi tomorrow or you lynch ruxxar ever i will flame in postgame and obs


This felt and still feels like a town rage when he's getting lynched for stupid reasons in his mind.

maybe. Dunno. Will have to check meta to see if he can do it. But the fact that he showed up 15 min before deadline only after becoming the main wagon is a great scum indicator

On July 18 2017 06:17 Rels wrote:
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On July 18 2017 06:14 Tumblewood wrote:
On July 18 2017 06:10 Rels wrote:
On July 18 2017 06:09 Damdred wrote:
On July 18 2017 05:57 Tumblewood wrote:
koshi is 100% mafia and it's your fault he is not dying. i take 0% of the blame.
otherwise it's between rels, skynx, sl. or if there's another blue the masons could be scum, maybe. but if you do not lynching koshi tomorrow or you lynch ruxxar ever i will flame in postgame and obs


This felt and still feels like a town rage when he's getting lynched for stupid reasons in his mind.

maybe. Dunno. Will have to check meta to see if he can do it. But the fact that he showed up 15 min before deadline only after becoming the main wagon is a great scum indicator

how can i get this through to you? i was here for a few hours until 1, and then the thread died for a bit so i went and did something else — of course i'm going to show up before deadline. would you prefer i not show up at all?
and you know who else showed up near deadline only when they were the lead wagon? koshi
this is a big leap of faith to explain why someone who was active for most of the day would show up 15 minutes before deadline

lol you can explain it all you want, I can verify your IRL story. I can only remark that you were not there the period before EOD, but showed up just before deadline when you became the main wagon

On July 18 2017 06:23 Rels wrote:
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On July 18 2017 06:19 Tumblewood wrote:
On July 18 2017 06:17 Rels wrote:
On July 18 2017 06:14 Tumblewood wrote:
On July 18 2017 06:10 Rels wrote:
On July 18 2017 06:09 Damdred wrote:
On July 18 2017 05:57 Tumblewood wrote:
koshi is 100% mafia and it's your fault he is not dying. i take 0% of the blame.
otherwise it's between rels, skynx, sl. or if there's another blue the masons could be scum, maybe. but if you do not lynching koshi tomorrow or you lynch ruxxar ever i will flame in postgame and obs


This felt and still feels like a town rage when he's getting lynched for stupid reasons in his mind.

maybe. Dunno. Will have to check meta to see if he can do it. But the fact that he showed up 15 min before deadline only after becoming the main wagon is a great scum indicator

how can i get this through to you? i was here for a few hours until 1, and then the thread died for a bit so i went and did something else — of course i'm going to show up before deadline. would you prefer i not show up at all?
and you know who else showed up near deadline only when they were the lead wagon? koshi
this is a big leap of faith to explain why someone who was active for most of the day would show up 15 minutes before deadline

lol you can explain it all you want, I can verify your IRL story. I can only remark that you were not there the period before EOD, but showed up just before deadline when you became the main wagon

the point is, your argument requires a major leap of faith when a simple explanation where i am town exists

no. The leap of faith is believing that it was a coincidence you came back just after becoming the main wagon. The simple explanation is taht you came back BECAUSE you became the main wagon.


Even says he would lynch tw over Koshi because he thinks koshi is town which implies he votes to save town reads. So WHERE was he when ruxxar, the guy he was hard defending all day, was up for lynch???

Burying tw without actually voting him and afking on ec, that's where.
Holyflare
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July 18 2017 08:41 GMT
#2471
On July 17 2017 00:26 Rels wrote:
SL IDK at all.
ruxxar's rest of filter was super natural, I thought I had something with the way he was treating EC weirdly then all of sudden he townreads him. I think he even lock townread him. I was thinking I had something linkling ruxxar and EC together but the lock townread doesn't make sense in that case. I think he's town

On July 17 2017 06:23 Rels wrote:
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On July 17 2017 06:14 Holyflare wrote:
Rels if you are green why are you not 100x over lynching ruxxar?

the way he thinks about the game makes me think of last game. Last game he had this idea of scum being in annul => he based all his game view on that. This game he sees you fakeclaiming a check => he's basing his game view on that. He watns to lynch you, and he doesn't understand why you're not voted.


Way more town to him than koshi. 0 vote saving.
Holyflare
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July 18 2017 08:43 GMT
#2473
Rels should absolutely be the lynch. He's hard defended all the scummy looking townies (koshi/ruxxar etc) and pushed people at points he should know he shouldn't push (someone turning up at deadline, someone having a read hidden etc).

His voting is the scummiest thing this game.
Holyflare
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July 18 2017 08:45 GMT
#2474
It's possible vivax is mafia but I will lose all my respect for rsoultin in the process.

Vivax play right now is absolutely mafia vivax. Like 100%. I told him his ec read was wrong and he didn't care and left.

But then that means rsoultin thing.....
Holyflare
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July 18 2017 09:30 GMT
#2480
On July 18 2017 18:11 emperorchampion wrote:
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On July 17 2017 08:29 Koshi wrote:
These last 5 votes have been so fucking horrible.

Based on a false accusation of HF.
On July 17 2017 02:26 sicklucker wrote:
##Vote Koshi


Completely wasted vote as nobody will join Rels ever. Great vote if you are both mafia though.
On July 17 2017 06:01 Rels wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote emperorchampion


Says 2 people are mafia. Votes a third.
On July 17 2017 06:38 Skynx wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: Ruxxar


Well this one makes sense.
On July 17 2017 06:54 Tumblewood wrote:
##unvote
##vote koshi




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On July 17 2017 20:11 Koshi wrote:
Yesterday Koshi believed there was mafia within rels/sl/tw/ec. He was 100% sure TW was mafia and pretty happy about that. The situation seemed to evolve into a breakdown of the Rels wagon into a TW vs Koshi showdown in which mafia was going to vote Koshi. Now Koshi didn't like that people went to random ass wagons like EC and Ruxxar because that was not going to be productive. But he might have been too fast on that.

Now Skynx voting Rux was just weird because he just said TW/Koshi was a bus. Annoying but what else can I do except point it out twice...
Rels voting EC was potential a smart mafia play. Because if the Rels wagon abolishes people are not going to vote with Rels most likely. Because he is still a mafia suspect. So if the mafia team is Rels/EC/TW what Koshi believes that is a smart play. However, Koshi, smart as he is, did not call Rels flat out mafia because he voted mafia because Koshi is not a retard and accepts votes on mafia. Koshi did however point out it could be a smart mafia play, because it could be a smart mafia play.


The bolded in particular can be a pretty good point, fairly early on too. The rest is garbage.

I'm a little biased on koshi since his stance on me is super bad, but he could be better than I thought.


That's exactly what I don't like about koshi. It's not "weird" it's scummy but all he does is point it out twice and then counteract that by saying how good skynx is looking straight after.

There's no push behind it at all. No emotion.
Holyflare
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July 18 2017 10:32 GMT
#2488
On July 18 2017 19:26 Koshi wrote:
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On July 18 2017 17:34 Holyflare wrote:
Skynx/rels are essentially the mafia team I have. Anyone else is up in the air.

Back to protecting TW I see.


I don't know what tw is but rels not switching to him to save ruxxar obviously makes sense as them being a team.
Holyflare
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July 18 2017 10:33 GMT
#2489
On July 18 2017 19:31 Koshi wrote:
Rels why didnt you vite TW??

Also electricity just went out here lol


Is this the best question you can ask? Literally just restating everything I've said.
Holyflare
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July 18 2017 10:49 GMT
#2491
It was literally one page ago.
Holyflare
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July 18 2017 10:49 GMT
#2492
This just screams like you can't do your own work in this game and have no idea what to push.
Holyflare
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July 18 2017 11:25 GMT
#2494
Why is it bad? You've called out at least three people for voting off tw, there's 2 people that wanted to vote him and didn't and the best you can do is qq and copy a question i wrote?

Either you've become the shittest mafia player overnight that has forgotten how to push people or you're mafia.
Holyflare
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July 18 2017 11:41 GMT
#2497
What's the worst post and why haven't you linked it?

You can't call people bad when you were literally gonna be lynched because your tw case is a pile of crap.

If you see all these bad things or things that are wrong why don't you post them until you can use it as an insult?

Your play is literally just how you can be the most inflammatory person possible while doing the bare minimum.
Holyflare
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July 18 2017 11:44 GMT
#2499
On July 18 2017 20:36 Koshi wrote:
Because you are overdramatizing details and attacking everything you can attack. Rels tried to vote TW but failed at deadline. The point you make is good in itself and I want to hear an answer. But I am not going to create another 7 pages on how it makes Rels 100% mafia. It's not like he didn't sit on a wagon he didn't think was mafia. And he was attacking TW during the entire EoD.


Sat on a wagon that was never going to be lynched for reasons that were bad and never voted a person that actually was a wagon that he even scum read that he was attacking for at least 15 minutes for bull shit reasons and then decides to maybe vote him at deadline just a little too late.

Yeh that's believable town play.
Holyflare
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July 18 2017 11:44 GMT
#2500
I'm not reading your posts that's for sure.
Holyflare
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July 18 2017 11:46 GMT
#2502
I remember his post and it didn't make sense because your post was void of points. That is all I read into that. I don't see how it's a mafia post or whatever trash you're peddling.
Holyflare
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July 18 2017 12:21 GMT
#2504
It's not entirely dependent on tw being mafia. He could just not care between a three town lynch day and forget to vote tw because he's more concerned at looking active too.
Holyflare
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July 18 2017 12:56 GMT
#2507
On July 18 2017 21:40 emperorchampion wrote:
Yeah it's possible. HF do you think there's always 1 scum in tumble/koshi?


Not particularly always. But likely.
Holyflare
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July 18 2017 17:48 GMT
#2509
On June 04 2017 09:55 Tumblewood wrote:
been reading through bh's meta. scratch what I said about him, he's town

On June 04 2017 10:13 Tumblewood wrote:
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On June 04 2017 10:07 Tubesock wrote:
On June 04 2017 09:55 Tumblewood wrote:
been reading through bh's meta. scratch what I said about him, he's town


Explain this.

i read through bh's past games. his filter resembles the ones where he is town and not the ones where he is scum

On June 04 2017 09:04 Tumblewood wrote:
specifically I mean grack is probably town. every game I see grack getting scumread by other townies but never really pushed, but he always comes through with the sort of analysis that's right on the money once or twice

On July 15 2017 01:59 Tumblewood wrote:
lmao i just read va's ---sick play--- and it is so ridiculous he has to be town. plus on that reveal he just seems so excited

Holyflare
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July 18 2017 17:50 GMT
#2510
he never EVER second guessed his BH and grack reads the entirety of the game

can you chat more shit

this is literally in page 1 and 2 of his filter of that newbie game THAT I WAS IN

so you're pushing false mafia agenda because your meta is trash, they look exactly like that VA post and now VA is dead so he doesn't have time to analyse VA again so your points are bs

he could still be mafia but don't act like it's because of this god mafia agenda you're pushing because it's wrong and bad

2/3 better points and that's all you really have on him tbh
Holyflare
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July 18 2017 20:17 GMT
#2530
lol fuck vivax is probably mafia
Holyflare
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July 18 2017 20:38 GMT
#2536
I am scum reading tw lol. I'm just saying that Koshi's meta is trash
Holyflare
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July 18 2017 20:55 GMT
#2547
On July 19 2017 05:42 Skynx wrote:
Then why is Koshi so mad lol? My reading comprehension might be damaged.


cos his meta was wrong so he uses other posts to call him mafia lol
Holyflare
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July 18 2017 20:56 GMT
#2550
On July 19 2017 05:45 Rels wrote:
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On July 18 2017 17:35 Holyflare wrote:
On July 18 2017 06:10 Rels wrote:
On July 18 2017 06:09 Damdred wrote:
On July 18 2017 05:57 Tumblewood wrote:
koshi is 100% mafia and it's your fault he is not dying. i take 0% of the blame.
otherwise it's between rels, skynx, sl. or if there's another blue the masons could be scum, maybe. but if you do not lynching koshi tomorrow or you lynch ruxxar ever i will flame in postgame and obs


This felt and still feels like a town rage when he's getting lynched for stupid reasons in his mind.

maybe. Dunno. Will have to check meta to see if he can do it. But the fact that he showed up 15 min before deadline only after becoming the main wagon is a great scum indicator


Rels was also completely shitting all over tw at deadline AND STILL DIDN'T VOTE HIM.

dunno why you're pushing this when ITS IN THE VOTING THREAD THAT I TRIED TO VOTE HIM


i only count relevant votes in vote counts
Holyflare
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July 18 2017 21:57 GMT
#2580
On July 19 2017 06:23 Rels wrote:
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On July 19 2017 06:20 emperorchampion wrote:
On July 19 2017 06:18 Rels wrote:
On July 19 2017 06:14 emperorchampion wrote:
Like it was already 5 on ruxxar, why the hell would you switch last minute. Also, you said you did it to bait out reaction/ info and you got nothing? Maybe dude forgot his own posts lol

why are you talking to me, then talking to someone else in that last sentence ... ?
I switched 'cause I wanted to lynch TW over ruxxar. I thought you were saying I was scummy 'cause I didn't vote TW over ruxxar ? Now I'm scummy 'cause I made a switch that couldn't achieve anything ?
On July 19 2017 06:14 emperorchampion wrote:
Why are you so mad dude?

'cause you don't make sense.


No I'm saying that your switch timing is bs because it couldn't achieve anything. But if you had done so earlier it might would have been much more effective. No way you can use your switch to defend yourself

YOu're the one with HF saying it doesnt make sense that I didnt vote TW over ruxxar WHEN I TRIED TO DO IT


15 minutes to go, "TW is definitely mafia cos conveniently appears"

SL: "Let's switch to ruxxar"

TW: "I was just appearing at deadline cos it's deadline"

Rels; "Nah it makes you mafia"

---- 5 minutes to go ----

Masons: "Let's switch to ruxxar with sl!"

Rels: "Lol you're still mafia tw!"

---- deadline ----

rels votes TW


?????????????????????

it's like you didn't even give a shit about lynching someone you thought about mafia, you were more interested in arguing with tw why him appearing made him mafia

arguing with mafia instead of voting mafia
Holyflare
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July 18 2017 21:57 GMT
#2581
emperorchampion is without a doubt town

there is nothing in this game that can change my mind, he was the only one here at night time trying to dive filters and point things out when nobody else was doing anything else

nothing can sway me
Holyflare
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July 18 2017 22:02 GMT
#2582
vivax very likely mafia
Holyflare
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July 19 2017 00:03 GMT
#2589
Tw can you give a brief sentence on the ppl you town read and why?
Holyflare
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July 19 2017 04:07 GMT
#2591
Today we are going to pick 2 main wagons and vote for either of those two. No other wagon is allowed to be formed. You will be forced to actually place votes that matter now instead of copping out from vca by afking on irrelevant wagons.

It has been decided.
Holyflare
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July 19 2017 15:58 GMT
#2623
On July 19 2017 05:05 Vivax wrote:
I'd put the mafia at Koshi, emc, one of Rels or Skynx atm.

TW has really improved his posting shape wise and his reads align with mine more or less (with exception of emc), but I'm afraid of TMI in his case and that he's trying to look shiny. For example I didn't like Ruxxars posting much during D1 and I'm not sure what made him townread him.

His read came down to this:

On July 14 2017 14:54 Tumblewood wrote:
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On July 14 2017 14:50 geript wrote:
On July 14 2017 14:37 Tumblewood wrote:
On July 14 2017 08:14 ruXxar wrote:
On July 14 2017 07:54 geript wrote:
So Rux... what did you think of my case on Skynx?


1. Skynx case on Rayn is flawed and based on half truths.
Basically it's a misguided failure.
Whether that is intentional or not is another point.

It fails to capture the minute details that you would have acquired by being here during the conversation and be engaged in the details of the postings.

In fact I thought Rayn made some really good points about you geript, which made you look bad and Rayn really good.

Especially the point about "for better reasons" and where Rayn says you don't actually go on to reveal these "better reasons".

Maybe I'm just biased, but to me clearly Rayn looked better from that.

I basically am getting deja vu of how btdt played last game, except skynx has more polish in the way he presents things.

Maybe I'm repeating the same mistake I did from last game by calling it bad/uninformed town, but skynx is not my #1 lynch today.

i think rux has gotta be town

Why?

well firstly i don't think scum!rux is attacking skynx's case on someone else because of minute details. that is a very not mafia reason
and since i made that post i caught up fully and i am 100% sure on this


I think this isn't a strong reason to have at the time, at least an explanation on what he would expect mafia to do instead would be appreciated.

Besides the TMI thing he gives off good vibes so not lynching him tomorrow.

Koshi for his minion entry followed up by a very funless unkoshiesque D1. Emc had a semi helpful entrance. Skynx case on rayn looked slightly over the top to me at the time.

I'm kind of slightly caught up on both ends of the game but the middle is lacking atm and most player filters as well, so I'm just going to post un caught up and out of my ass for a while since I really have no connection to this game yet.



This is a mafia post, it has to be.

The bolded shows that his current scum team is Koshi/emc and one of rels or skynx but when he has to explain them he says EC has a semi helpful entrance and absolutely nothing more about it which doesn't look like a reason to scum read anyone in the slightest, let alone have him second in his mafia list.

Then I have a massive problem with the fact that this post is about his scum reads but then 90% of it is devoted to his read about tumblewood. Then I even have a problem with a read. He's clearly a town read because of him not appearing in Vivax's scum list but then why is 50% of the read devoted to shitting all over his town read with "Oh maybe he's not town because of this one quote". It doesn't really fit. The green and the red show you the divide that he spends talking about how TW is town (green) and how TW is showing mafia traits (red). More red than green. THEN he ends it with "Despite the TMI thing he's got good vibes"???? It's so fucking backwards. If it's good vibes why bother writing about it????

Then he's not caught up with the game and his vote was on EC last night because he was sheeping Rayn. Vivax is caught up with "The end and beginning of the game" but doesn't even realise that we've been telling him repeatedly the Skynx/rayn thing is false and his only reason for EC is "Emc had a semi helpful entrance." So why the fuck is he a scum read if that's all he's got on him? He doesn't even reference the rayn/skynx thing here. Furthermore, he hasn't even equated that Skynx made the case on EC but now he thinks both EC and Skynx are mafia. No critical thinking.

Don't even get me started on his rels read. Absolutely 0 said about it.

##vote vivax


Time to get to work Vivax. I am disgusted by Rsoultin's mafia play.
Holyflare
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July 19 2017 16:37 GMT
#2625
Vote him EC.
Holyflare
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July 19 2017 16:40 GMT
#2626
You can tell Vivax is actually mafia because he doesn't interact with anything in the thread at all. It doesn't matter if he's behind or not, if he town read me then he would interact with me at the time he was placing his vote at least.
Holyflare
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July 19 2017 16:57 GMT
#2629
I like that rels pointed out this vivax post though
Holyflare
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July 19 2017 17:00 GMT
#2631
the vivax post is like 100% mafia tho
Holyflare
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July 19 2017 17:02 GMT
#2632
85%
Holyflare
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July 19 2017 17:03 GMT
#2634
what on earth are you talking about?

you're saying it's so bad mafia wouldn't make a post like that?
Holyflare
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July 19 2017 17:09 GMT
#2641
You realise that in 120 hours of game time vivax has made 4 posts?

Two of those you hated because it wanted to lynch you based on incorrect information and dead rayn's outdated read.

Another one of those is the post I quoted above.

All of his filter is complete irrelevant trash that YOU hated. Now you want to lynch SL/Rels/anyone not vivax.

I don't buy it. Vivax is a good player, he doesn't make these posts and he especially does absolutely no interacting with anyone.
Holyflare
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July 19 2017 17:09 GMT
#2642
and he always interacts with the thread*
Holyflare
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July 19 2017 17:12 GMT
#2643
These people look like town to me, but aren't quite locked:

[...]

Tumblewood: has a few things going for him from previously for me, plus towny reaction around eod


You even read Tumblewood town but now you're using Rels' deadline action and SL's actions to divert from TW to Ruxxar as scummy when you don't even scum read Tumblewood. You read him town because of towny reaction at deadline which SL also did AND diverted it because of those reasons. So why do you want to lynch SL when he's doing the exact things you're thinking? The caveat is that SL scum read Ruxxar so it's not even that bad.
Holyflare
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July 19 2017 17:17 GMT
#2646
On July 18 2017 17:50 emperorchampion wrote:
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On July 18 2017 17:45 Holyflare wrote:
It's possible vivax is mafia but I will lose all my respect for rsoultin in the process.

Vivax play right now is absolutely mafia vivax. Like 100%. I told him his ec read was wrong and he didn't care and left.

But then that means rsoultin thing.....


It's a pretty shitty subject to talk about, but I was thinking that if rsoul was scum, she might have felt bad getting "town confirmed" off of her attitude. I don't think it's that likely tbh, but honestly what vivax did last night in combination for not posting for 72 hours is possibly the scummiest thing I have ever seen in mafia.


wtf zone
Vivax: this is some bullshit. Still bullshit that it's pretty much 50/50 based on other stuff with rsoul's spot. Strongly starting to suspect that he replaced into a red spot and didn't want to put any effort in.


On July 19 2017 05:12 emperorchampion wrote:
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On July 19 2017 05:05 Vivax wrote:
I'd put the mafia at Koshi, emc, one of Rels or Skynx atm.

TW has really improved his posting shape wise and his reads align with mine more or less (with exception of emc), but I'm afraid of TMI in his case and that he's trying to look shiny. For example I didn't like Ruxxars posting much during D1 and I'm not sure what made him townread him.

His read came down to this:

On July 14 2017 14:54 Tumblewood wrote:
On July 14 2017 14:50 geript wrote:
On July 14 2017 14:37 Tumblewood wrote:
On July 14 2017 08:14 ruXxar wrote:
On July 14 2017 07:54 geript wrote:
So Rux... what did you think of my case on Skynx?


1. Skynx case on Rayn is flawed and based on half truths.
Basically it's a misguided failure.
Whether that is intentional or not is another point.

It fails to capture the minute details that you would have acquired by being here during the conversation and be engaged in the details of the postings.

In fact I thought Rayn made some really good points about you geript, which made you look bad and Rayn really good.

Especially the point about "for better reasons" and where Rayn says you don't actually go on to reveal these "better reasons".

Maybe I'm just biased, but to me clearly Rayn looked better from that.

I basically am getting deja vu of how btdt played last game, except skynx has more polish in the way he presents things.

Maybe I'm repeating the same mistake I did from last game by calling it bad/uninformed town, but skynx is not my #1 lynch today.

i think rux has gotta be town

Why?

well firstly i don't think scum!rux is attacking skynx's case on someone else because of minute details. that is a very not mafia reason
and since i made that post i caught up fully and i am 100% sure on this


I think this isn't a strong reason to have at the time, at least an explanation on what he would expect mafia to do instead would be appreciated.
Besides the TMI thing he gives off good vibes so not lynching him tomorrow.

Koshi for his minion entry followed up by a very funless unkoshiesque D1. Emc had a semi helpful entrance. Skynx case on rayn looked slightly over the top to me at the time.

I'm kind of slightly caught up on both ends of the game but the middle is lacking atm and most player filters as well, so I'm just going to post un caught up and out of my ass for a while since I really have no connection to this game yet.


Vivax: why scum read on me, and you think I'm trying to bus koshi since day 1?

On July 19 2017 05:17 emperorchampion wrote:
Vivax: after 100+ pages you're scum reading both koshi and I based on our entry post?

On July 18 2017 05:18 emperorchampion wrote:
If vivax is actually scum jesus h christ

On July 18 2017 05:18 emperorchampion wrote:
Looking highly likely at this point

On July 18 2017 05:27 emperorchampion wrote:
How can you in good faith vote with vivax

Look at his last posts

On July 18 2017 05:29 emperorchampion wrote:
Koshi vivax and ruxx most likely


this is bull shit EC, you have been saying vivax is scummy forever and suddenly his posts are too scumy to be scum and give him some time to respond?????? How long? 1000 hours?

Holyflare
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July 19 2017 17:18 GMT
#2649
Vivax/EC
Holyflare
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July 19 2017 17:19 GMT
#2650
way way way too much defending on someone EC thought was scum
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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July 19 2017 17:47 GMT
#2662
EC why is rels scum for his vote when you TOWN read tumble?!?!?!?!
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 19 2017 17:53 GMT
#2667
On July 20 2017 02:49 emperorchampion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2017 02:43 Rels wrote:
On July 20 2017 02:39 emperorchampion wrote:
On July 20 2017 02:17 Rels wrote:
EC probably the third for this BS read on me, taht's only a nice story that proves nothing. Town does that too sometimes so maybe he's bad, but it's literally the only thing he's done for 50 hours.


Heh

it's true. If you're town you really need to stop spouting BS.
Your main argument for scumreading me is a story. It's not fact, it's not scum mindset, it's just a story, that might or might nor be true. It doesn't prove shit. That I scumread TW but didn't vote until the very end proves nothing.
Your argument that I'm asking shit questions make no sense too. First because it's against the facts, I don't remember asking you a lot of questions, the only thing I wanted an answer from you that I remember is the HF read. Second because it contradicts another post of yours where ytou say the exact opposite, that I'm scumreading you but not asking you questions.


I recall these being separate occasions. Probably the last two nights. You trying to get a reaction out of tumble, getting one, the forgetting it is incredibly suspicious to me. It looks like you didn't care at all. Getting the reaction, then forgetting about it goes exactly against your reason for holding the vote. This is why I don't believe you on either point.

Holding your vote from your team mate and then once the pressure is off is entirely what scum would do.


What any self respecting scum player would do in this situation is jump onto the wagon for extra credit

or divert the lynch as hard as they can

rels did neither
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 19 2017 17:53 GMT
#2670
I've thought about it a lot EC and I don't think rels is mafia.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 19 2017 17:54 GMT
#2671
and by a lot I mean like 8 or so minutes today without reading anything
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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July 19 2017 17:56 GMT
#2676
On July 20 2017 02:54 emperorchampion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2017 02:53 Holyflare wrote:
On July 20 2017 02:49 emperorchampion wrote:
On July 20 2017 02:43 Rels wrote:
On July 20 2017 02:39 emperorchampion wrote:
On July 20 2017 02:17 Rels wrote:
EC probably the third for this BS read on me, taht's only a nice story that proves nothing. Town does that too sometimes so maybe he's bad, but it's literally the only thing he's done for 50 hours.


Heh

it's true. If you're town you really need to stop spouting BS.
Your main argument for scumreading me is a story. It's not fact, it's not scum mindset, it's just a story, that might or might nor be true. It doesn't prove shit. That I scumread TW but didn't vote until the very end proves nothing.
Your argument that I'm asking shit questions make no sense too. First because it's against the facts, I don't remember asking you a lot of questions, the only thing I wanted an answer from you that I remember is the HF read. Second because it contradicts another post of yours where ytou say the exact opposite, that I'm scumreading you but not asking you questions.


I recall these being separate occasions. Probably the last two nights. You trying to get a reaction out of tumble, getting one, the forgetting it is incredibly suspicious to me. It looks like you didn't care at all. Getting the reaction, then forgetting about it goes exactly against your reason for holding the vote. This is why I don't believe you on either point.

Holding your vote from your team mate and then once the pressure is off is entirely what scum would do.


What any self respecting scum player would do in this situation is jump onto the wagon for extra credit

or divert the lynch as hard as they can

rels did neither


sl did it for him


no he didn't at all, I don't think mafia rels plays that unbelievably sloppy that he doesn't get credit, he's not a bad player

mafia don't make plans like this with 10 minutes to go lol
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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July 19 2017 17:56 GMT
#2677
On July 20 2017 02:55 emperorchampion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2017 02:54 Holyflare wrote:
and by a lot I mean like 8 or so minutes today without reading anything


If rels and tumble are a scum team, do their actions make sense together?


no :D

aka rels is not likely mafia because of his deadline actions
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 19 2017 17:57 GMT
#2678
I'm sorry EC, I think you're just mafia and that pains me after declaring you definitely town but there's no way I see your vivax read lining up with your play today at all
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 19 2017 17:57 GMT
#2679
like the defence of him when he's posted 4 posts and all of them you've vocally declared are trash is just too much for me to believe you any more
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 19 2017 17:58 GMT
#2682
I apologise if you're town but I will not be swayed from you being mafia any longer
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 19 2017 17:59 GMT
#2683
there's one thing you can do to resolve your alignment though and that's vote vivax
Holyflare
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July 19 2017 18:08 GMT
#2690
On July 20 2017 03:00 emperorchampion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2017 02:59 Holyflare wrote:
there's one thing you can do to resolve your alignment though and that's vote vivax


I can vote him now to make you happy, maybe he'll be motivated to post something. But at the end of the day we flip either rels or tumble.


yeah that's really gonna put all the pressure on him
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 19 2017 18:08 GMT
#2691
My two wagon choices are EC and Vivax
Holyflare
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July 19 2017 18:13 GMT
#2695
On July 20 2017 03:12 Rels wrote:
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On July 20 2017 03:09 Rels wrote:
On July 15 2017 18:11 emperorchampion wrote:
Something maybe kinda stupid that I was thinking about: how genuine is koshi's read of damdred based off of damdred 's read of geript. I assume there was some bullshit in damdy's read since he knew they were town based on masons.

Rayns seemed more genuine but idk

On July 15 2017 18:25 emperorchampion wrote:
On July 13 2017 19:23 Koshi wrote:
Damdred tried to explain why geript is town and gave that read to the thread. =good stuff. Trying to convince somebody is town with reasoning that another person can understand is a townie treat. Him being extremely confident about it is also more likely town over mafia because mafia is afraid of showing TMI.

Damdred is town.


People who pretend to have a lot of reads but are not sharing them with the thread:
rsoultin



PS to rayn: he is talking about ruxxar


Like this post is exactly wrong, maybe damdy can chime in more, but I assume there was some tmi in the read.

Mafia motivation is to fit in, buddy rayn for same reads.

Did Koshi really know that Damdred / geript were masons at the time he wrote that post ? If yes then it's really damning

But he didn't ? It's during the first 24 hours of the game. Why are you saying Koshi knew Damdred was mason ?


he's saying that Koshi knows Damdred is town and has tmi so koshi made that read to fit that
Holyflare
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July 19 2017 18:14 GMT
#2697
On July 20 2017 03:13 emperorchampion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2017 03:08 Holyflare wrote:
My two wagon choices are EC and Vivax


What reasons do you have for thinking rels is town?


his sl read just now seemed out of the blue and honest and I liked it and the fact that he's still trying to solve the game when there's literally just us three in the thread

he's also scum reading vivax which is the correct thing to do and voting him

which you're not even sticking to because you're mafia D:
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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July 19 2017 18:15 GMT
#2699
On July 20 2017 03:14 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2017 03:13 Holyflare wrote:
On July 20 2017 03:12 Rels wrote:
On July 20 2017 03:09 Rels wrote:
On July 15 2017 18:11 emperorchampion wrote:
Something maybe kinda stupid that I was thinking about: how genuine is koshi's read of damdred based off of damdred 's read of geript. I assume there was some bullshit in damdy's read since he knew they were town based on masons.

Rayns seemed more genuine but idk

On July 15 2017 18:25 emperorchampion wrote:
On July 13 2017 19:23 Koshi wrote:
Damdred tried to explain why geript is town and gave that read to the thread. =good stuff. Trying to convince somebody is town with reasoning that another person can understand is a townie treat. Him being extremely confident about it is also more likely town over mafia because mafia is afraid of showing TMI.

Damdred is town.


People who pretend to have a lot of reads but are not sharing them with the thread:
rsoultin



PS to rayn: he is talking about ruxxar


Like this post is exactly wrong, maybe damdy can chime in more, but I assume there was some tmi in the read.

Mafia motivation is to fit in, buddy rayn for same reads.

Did Koshi really know that Damdred / geript were masons at the time he wrote that post ? If yes then it's really damning

But he didn't ? It's during the first 24 hours of the game. Why are you saying Koshi knew Damdred was mason ?


he's saying that Koshi knows Damdred is town and has tmi so koshi made that read to fit that

Then what does this sentence mean ?
"I assume there was some bullshit in damdy's read since he knew they were town based on masons. "


that damdred's read was bs because he knew geript was town
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 19 2017 18:17 GMT
#2701
yes because my view is:

Damdred is probably mafia because he usually gives basic gut/tone reads at the beginning of the game so the fact he has multiple reasons to hardcore town read geript is scummy

koshi's is the complete opposite because he knew they were both town and made it so the read would fit

my read was the correct meta whereas koshi was probably bs tmi
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 19 2017 18:23 GMT
#2709
On July 20 2017 03:18 emperorchampion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2017 03:14 Holyflare wrote:
On July 20 2017 03:13 emperorchampion wrote:
On July 20 2017 03:08 Holyflare wrote:
My two wagon choices are EC and Vivax


What reasons do you have for thinking rels is town?


his sl read just now seemed out of the blue and honest and I liked it and the fact that he's still trying to solve the game when there's literally just us three in the thread

he's also scum reading vivax which is the correct thing to do and voting him

which you're not even sticking to because you're mafia D:


Idk about you, but it's just too coincidental that three players with poor filters, also happen to save each other, then come around on town reads on each other out of the blue. None of them have as primary lynch targets. It was looking for a while like rels was gonna get bussed.

When I try interacting with sl and tumble about rels: not a single thing.


no it's not coincidental in the slightest because:

1. Your TW read ALSO was updated to be that he was town because of tone etc at deadline:

Tumblewood: has a few things going for him from previously for me, plus towny reaction around eod


2. Confirmed town also saved Tumblewood, who you town read AT THE SAME TIME AS THEM.

3. Rels looked awful from not placing his vote at the time. Mafia don't want to look awful.

4. Like I said before, mafia don't make these plans you're talking about.

5. SL pushed someone he thought was mafia over someone he said started looking towny, which you yourself thought too (tw looked towny), so SL is not mafia because he started pushing his mafia read (like last game ).

If confirmed town damdred/geript(at some point) could vote off TW and you said he was looking towny it's not a big stretch in the slightest that they could be town too. You have just started a narrative. You also arbitrarily have made Tumblewood mafia again FOR ABSOLUTELY NO REASON other than people saving him. This only makes sense in the world where you have to rewrite history. You town read TW at that same time, just like those people, you can't erase this and rewrite the narrative.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 19 2017 18:32 GMT
#2712
On July 20 2017 03:27 Tumblewood wrote:
well this is holyf***e mafia all over again.
but hf, i don't think ec is scum just for doubting whether vivax is scum. it's inconsistent and all that, but i'd give him the benefit of the doubt. if it were a solid, veteran player maybe not, but i think ec has the potential to do weird flips like that as town.


what's this supposed to mean?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 19 2017 18:36 GMT
#2717
On July 20 2017 03:34 Vivax wrote:
I don't feel that strongly about emc mafia after reading a bit of his filter. There was one thing I didn't like in particular but the bigger picture suggests town to me atm.

I think mafia can be anywhere in HF/Koshi/TW/Rels/Skynx atm. And I think Koshi is the best shot for today literally just for D1 with his minion stuff and followup lacking koshi passion even though in his later posts he starts putting in more effort.

I made a mistake replacing into the game cause I have things going on more important than mafia atm and I overestimated my will to catch up in the little time I'm not doing something else.


then why the fuck did you vote ec yesterday?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 19 2017 18:41 GMT
#2721
yeh we just vote vivax today
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 19 2017 18:45 GMT
#2723
EC just use some simple logic if you're town and get out of the tunnel:

If you can read TW town then so can other people. It doesn't have to miraculously be a mafia ploy.

Now you're saying they're all town reading each other like it's some mega scheme but I also started town reading rels and sl and possibly but probably not TW and I'm not mafia so it doesn't make them mafia either.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 19 2017 18:49 GMT
#2724
On July 20 2017 03:33 emperorchampion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2017 03:23 Holyflare wrote:
On July 20 2017 03:18 emperorchampion wrote:
On July 20 2017 03:14 Holyflare wrote:
On July 20 2017 03:13 emperorchampion wrote:
On July 20 2017 03:08 Holyflare wrote:
My two wagon choices are EC and Vivax


What reasons do you have for thinking rels is town?


his sl read just now seemed out of the blue and honest and I liked it and the fact that he's still trying to solve the game when there's literally just us three in the thread

he's also scum reading vivax which is the correct thing to do and voting him

which you're not even sticking to because you're mafia D:


Idk about you, but it's just too coincidental that three players with poor filters, also happen to save each other, then come around on town reads on each other out of the blue. None of them have as primary lynch targets. It was looking for a while like rels was gonna get bussed.

When I try interacting with sl and tumble about rels: not a single thing.


no it's not coincidental in the slightest because:

1. Your TW read ALSO was updated to be that he was town because of tone etc at deadline:

Tumblewood: has a few things going for him from previously for me, plus towny reaction around eod


2. Confirmed town also saved Tumblewood, who you town read AT THE SAME TIME AS THEM.

3. Rels looked awful from not placing his vote at the time. Mafia don't want to look awful.

4. Like I said before, mafia don't make these plans you're talking about.

5. SL pushed someone he thought was mafia over someone he said started looking towny, which you yourself thought too (tw looked towny), so SL is not mafia because he started pushing his mafia read (like last game ).

If confirmed town damdred/geript(at some point) could vote off TW and you said he was looking towny it's not a big stretch in the slightest that they could be town too. You have just started a narrative. You also arbitrarily have made Tumblewood mafia again FOR ABSOLUTELY NO REASON other than people saving him. This only makes sense in the world where you have to rewrite history. You town read TW at that same time, just like those people, you can't erase this and rewrite the narrative.


1. I can understand the reasons that the tumble related things don't make sense. To me my read was based on tone, but the way things look now it's bad to me. If you want other reasons to think he's scum you can look up koshi's case.

2. Rels clearly thinks he looks good by changing his vote at the last second, so I think your point is moot on that.

3. It doesn't have to be a "plan" , sl just comes in and tries to get the vote off of tumble because he's a teammate


This is also hilarious.

Koshi I stated some reasons for night 1. His day 1 could be trying to do this low post thing, but failing as mafia. The reads thing with damdred could be pretty weak, but it's still there. Otherwise his progression through the day was hella weird, I'm town, then maybe not, now scum. Yeah I should've looked more into this earlier. To be fair to myself I said beforehand I wasn't really gonna do much today. There are many other inconsistencies that hf pointed out with respect to the tumble meta thing.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 19 2017 18:53 GMT
#2726
Why do you suddenly think koshi's case is good when you said I was pointing out all the inconsistencies earlier?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 19 2017 18:57 GMT
#2728
So why have you not acknowledged that at any point until it suddenly fits your story?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 19 2017 20:24 GMT
#2751
Oh wtf it's lylo
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 19 2017 20:31 GMT
#2754
You solve games

"rsoul is town now lol"

"if vivax is mafia I'm great"

Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 19 2017 21:24 GMT
#2757
Oh we've got 2 lynches. I feel like eliminating cancerous koshi.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 19 2017 22:57 GMT
#2758
vivax first
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 20 2017 00:08 GMT
#2766
On July 20 2017 08:13 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2017 02:09 Holyflare wrote:
You realise that in 120 hours of game time vivax has made 4 posts?

Two of those you hated because it wanted to lynch you based on incorrect information and dead rayn's outdated read.

Another one of those is the post I quoted above.

All of his filter is complete irrelevant trash that YOU hated. Now you want to lynch SL/Rels/anyone not vivax.

I don't buy it. Vivax is a good player, he doesn't make these posts and he especially does absolutely no interacting with anyone.


skynx vivax + koshi or rels so obvious...


Why do you quote this post calling out ec if you're saying it's skynx/koshi/vivax?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 20 2017 00:11 GMT
#2767
Rsoultin was town because she complained about sexism while still giving reads and then replaced out. Aka she felt harassed enough to make it a big thread thing and leave. Don't think she'd do that as mafia but there's always a new low to reach on this website.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 20 2017 10:08 GMT
#2780
On July 19 2017 08:54 Tumblewood wrote:
skynx, vivax, sl, and rels are all realistic 2nd/3rd scummers, in roughly that order. everyone else i am 90% sure i can write off. and if koshi is town i might as well give up

On July 20 2017 03:21 Tumblewood wrote:
whoa vivax has only 4 posts?


On July 20 2017 03:27 Tumblewood wrote:
well this is holyf***e mafia all over again.
but hf, i don't think ec is scum just for doubting whether vivax is scum. it's inconsistent and all that, but i'd give him the benefit of the doubt. if it were a solid, veteran player maybe not, but i think ec has the potential to do weird flips like that as town.


On July 20 2017 03:38 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2017 03:32 Holyflare wrote:
On July 20 2017 03:27 Tumblewood wrote:
well this is holyf***e mafia all over again.
but hf, i don't think ec is scum just for doubting whether vivax is scum. it's inconsistent and all that, but i'd give him the benefit of the doubt. if it were a solid, veteran player maybe not, but i think ec has the potential to do weird flips like that as town.


what's this supposed to mean?

in that game, vivax replaced in for superbia d3, made a couple WoT catching-up posts, and then hardly interacted with the game afterwards. a little more active than this game but not by much.


On July 20 2017 13:36 Tumblewood wrote:
##vote koshi



Why are you voting off wagon with your scum read then?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 20 2017 11:30 GMT
#2784
yes he was mafia
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 20 2017 11:33 GMT
#2785
the last post vivax made I replied within 30 seconds and vivax had already left because he doesn't give a shit
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 20 2017 12:25 GMT
#2796
On July 20 2017 21:19 Koshi wrote:
I like your effort Rels.


Shame you're voting the inferior wagon
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 20 2017 14:29 GMT
#2798
Can we actually all vote vivax now please? None of you have a single reason to town read him.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 20 2017 15:35 GMT
#2809
On July 21 2017 00:05 Skynx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2017 05:51 Holyflare wrote:
tw/sl/ec

Show nested quote +
On July 18 2017 06:08 Holyflare wrote:
sl is absolutely confirmed mafia now

Show nested quote +
On July 18 2017 08:01 Holyflare wrote:
Never ever lynch anyone other than koshi tomorrow. Don't let rels tell you otherwise. There is no way he has this read list after that deadline in any town koshi game in existence.

Show nested quote +
On July 18 2017 17:34 Holyflare wrote:
Skynx/rels are essentially the mafia team I have. Anyone else is up in the air.


Can you fucking make up your mind???

Why Vivax over all these? He's essentially a coinflip.


How the fuck is he a coin flip at all? Have you been reading my posts about him? Also all the posts you quote are just me being emotional at the time because of fuckwittery. Koshi is still probably mafia.
Holyflare
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United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 20 2017 15:38 GMT
#2811
I think that skynx case on SL is a mafia case trying to divert the wagon
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 20 2017 15:43 GMT
#2814
Like everything he quotes is SL doing towny thought process things???

SL sheeps a read d1 - towny
SL has actual reasons to scum read ruxxar that he's different from last game and has opposite reads this game - towny


Trying to solidify emperor being mafia with rayn sr on him which was based on wrong reasons:
+ Show Spoiler +
Rayn thought that was right which I thought the same but those were post EoD, significantly harming the value of my case. I think sl says this before Rels points out my mistake but i cba looking, he's just trying too hard to create reasons here imo.


apparently this makes SL scum but then when vivax does the identical thing with 4 posts in 144 hours he's just a coin flip


Koshi main wagon. He has no opinion.


"I don't think Koshi fought hard enough to be town" IS A SCUM READ


Then back on Ruxxar. Easiest mislynch ever. This is not a towny vote pattern guys.


You say he joins TW as scummy but then when TW starts posting towny things he switches to his top scum read, why is this scummy?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 20 2017 15:44 GMT
#2816
On July 21 2017 00:42 emperorchampion wrote:
Ugh if we get end gamed with extra kp I'm gonna be hella salty, but yeah vivax needs to go. If not now, it's gonna have to happen at some point.


why do you keep mentioning extra kp??

why would they not use it n1 when they know there's already masons and likely nothing else!?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 20 2017 15:44 GMT
#2817
On July 21 2017 00:44 Skynx wrote:
Cool, game is over.


How can you use the quote that SL scum reads EC because of rayn as mafia agenda but then not do the same for vivax?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 20 2017 15:46 GMT
#2820
last game balance was bull shit, they had 2 hidden kp mechanics which isn't normal at all
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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July 20 2017 15:48 GMT
#2823
I'm being serious. Why does this not apply to vivax when two of his posts is something you scum read another player for and his other post is trash giving his "scum reads" but focuses on TW, his town read (whilst saying it's not a proper town read but it).

Why is vivax a coin flip?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 20 2017 15:50 GMT
#2826
This is you:

Vivax - does something you scum read SL for - coin flip
SL - does something you coin flip read vivax for

If Vivax can be a coin flip then there's a chance he's town to you. This means that townies are capable of doing the same thing that you're saying SL is scum for. The rest of your post is just saying he's scum for pushing his ruxxar lynch at deadline. Like last game, SL pushed a lynch and I called it scummy but SL pushing a lynch isn't usual for him and the one time he's done it he's been town.

Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 20 2017 16:05 GMT
#2831
On July 21 2017 00:52 Skynx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2017 00:48 Holyflare wrote:
I'm being serious. Why does this not apply to vivax when two of his posts is something you scum read another player for and his other post is trash giving his "scum reads" but focuses on TW, his town read (whilst saying it's not a proper town read but it).

Why is vivax a coin flip?

What is that something?


You scum read sl for pushing EC with your case.

You don't scum read Vivax for pushing EC with your case despite that being 50% of his posts.

Now you're telling me you are going to ignore SL's general town play just because for other people in the world of mafia it applies to them. Ok skynx.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 20 2017 16:15 GMT
#2833
I have no idea what you're saying. Last game I scum read SL for pushing a wagon based on lazy shit that he didn't read. Turns out he was town. Now you're doing the same but this time he actually scum reads Ruxxar.

The majority of people in this game were in the last game so I don't think your case is really going to convince anyone otherwise.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 20 2017 16:22 GMT
#2835
The thing is there are two lynches left and the chances that vivax will even post anything more than 1 more post in another cycle is exceptionally low. If Vivax is mafia he's getting a free ride to a coin flip lylo where people won't lynch him for fear. If he's town then today we can get rid of him and have another lynch tomorrow.

That's if he was a coin flip but he's not, he's just mafia.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 20 2017 16:26 GMT
#2836
Ok, at least 2-3 people have displayed that they don't agree with your case. We need to vote together today to eliminate any shenanigans at deadline with bull shit like last one. You should vote vivax because it's in town's best interest because:

A) He's extremely likely to flip mafia even if you say he's a coin flip.
B) Getting rid of a coin flip now is 100000x better than having to decide at lylo.
C) You are not getting traction on your SL case.

You have voted off wagon for basically every cycle. This is increasingly likely you're mafia because you don't want to be involved in absolutely any of the main wagons this game. Here you are again making up some case that enables you to be off wagon. You won't even vote with the wagon because you're likely mafia trying to avoid suspicion/avoid lynching your team mates.

Today is the day that you play with the town Skynx. We can only vote Vivax today.
Holyflare
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July 20 2017 16:38 GMT
#2837
On July 21 2017 00:46 Tumblewood wrote:
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On July 21 2017 00:42 Rels wrote:
On July 21 2017 00:31 Tumblewood wrote:
On July 20 2017 21:10 Rels wrote:
way more random than his other scum games. By that I mean interact sometimes with the thread and randomly states some reads. No agenda, just lazily playing the game. I retract the townred I gave him above. I think his play last game and this game is quite similar.

how on earth does that resemble my play this game?

how would you describe your play this game ?

active, engaged, thoughtful, good, etc
i could maybe get what you're saying if you compared it to generic 1 or something, but in lxxv i was super lazy even for a scum. like, look at how many of those posts quote something versus this game


On July 18 2017 05:59 Holyflare wrote:
tw is 2% of the thread activity compared to 6.2% as town doctor and 0.8% as mafia

verging on mafia % here, think you'd be more active as a town than when you blue too


Still around 2-3%.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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July 20 2017 17:06 GMT
#2841
Nothing to do with being away at EoD. Whenever the wagon is 3-4 you come in with a new case/vote and leave your vote afk on that new wagon while nobody joins you. Yes, yesterday people did but that's what happens when you leave rogue votes like that.

See geript d1.

See Ruxxar yesterday.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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July 20 2017 17:06 GMT
#2842
See SL today.

3 cycles, 3 afk on 0 vote wagons
Holyflare
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July 20 2017 17:10 GMT
#2843
Which leads me to another thing. Why is SL scum for pushing the wagon you yourself wanted to lynch? Doesn't really add up for me at all.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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July 20 2017 17:35 GMT
#2850
On July 21 2017 02:32 Tumblewood wrote:
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On July 21 2017 01:38 Holyflare wrote:
On July 21 2017 00:46 Tumblewood wrote:
On July 21 2017 00:42 Rels wrote:
On July 21 2017 00:31 Tumblewood wrote:
On July 20 2017 21:10 Rels wrote:
way more random than his other scum games. By that I mean interact sometimes with the thread and randomly states some reads. No agenda, just lazily playing the game. I retract the townred I gave him above. I think his play last game and this game is quite similar.

how on earth does that resemble my play this game?

how would you describe your play this game ?

active, engaged, thoughtful, good, etc
i could maybe get what you're saying if you compared it to generic 1 or something, but in lxxv i was super lazy even for a scum. like, look at how many of those posts quote something versus this game


On July 18 2017 05:59 Holyflare wrote:
tw is 2% of the thread activity compared to 6.2% as town doctor and 0.8% as mafia

verging on mafia % here, think you'd be more active as a town than when you blue too


Still around 2-3%.

i am never a high-post player, which doesn't mean i'm not active or forceful. filter length is a silly thing to read someone on unless they're gumshoe, especially if you only compare 3 games


Post count is usually an indicator of activity. If 0.8% is you being inactive and sidelines then 2% isn't that much more and hardly enough to call you "active".

But I digress, not a reason to call you mafia atm.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 20 2017 17:36 GMT
#2851
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On July 16 2017 05:16 sicklucker wrote:
noted that ec cant even remember his own reads. he calls me town at last deadline then less then 24 hours later im "forgotten" and scum


Another lazy reason to scumread someone. He just looks tryhard with this, emp felt genuine at the time even tho i was scumreading him aswell.


Can you tell me, Skynx, how this makes any sense? How can someone feel "genuine" but be mafia at the same time? And then why, again, is that scummy for sl to push his inconsistency?
Holyflare
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United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 20 2017 17:37 GMT
#2852
On July 21 2017 02:28 Skynx wrote:
Did you guys read like just 1 sentence of the case or what?

That doesn't make him scum on its own. Why didn't he vote emp or Koshi, why he voted TW and then why he ended up on Rux. That makes him scum.


I will await his answer on this.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 20 2017 20:06 GMT
#2859
indubitably
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 20 2017 21:06 GMT
#2891
hey hey guys

worship me
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 20 2017 21:06 GMT
#2892
I'm the new koshi
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 20 2017 21:22 GMT
#2897
yeh it fucking sucks
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 20 2017 21:28 GMT
#2898
so who is the last 2 mafia? koshi/tw/skynx/ec

fite
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 20 2017 21:29 GMT
#2899
tomorrow is still mylo but no point no lynching because myself/damd/rels will die
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 20 2017 21:38 GMT
#2901
ah right that must be because i'm not mafia or something

totally
Holyflare
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July 20 2017 21:45 GMT
#2903
I'm keeping ec on my scum list for today's antics
Holyflare
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July 20 2017 21:49 GMT
#2905
On July 21 2017 06:47 emperorchampion wrote:
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On July 21 2017 06:45 Holyflare wrote:
I'm keeping ec on my scum list for today's antics


Good shit b


that a mafia claim yo?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 20 2017 21:57 GMT
#2907
why?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 20 2017 22:01 GMT
#2909
that makes it MORE likely that you're mafia
Holyflare
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July 20 2017 22:02 GMT
#2911
I'll admit your interaction with her makes it better for you though
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 20 2017 22:03 GMT
#2912
Absolutely they do quite often.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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July 20 2017 22:10 GMT
#2915
have you reconsidered rels yet?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 20 2017 23:42 GMT
#2917
Just kill koshi tomorrow i guess
Holyflare
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United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 20 2017 23:42 GMT
#2918
Maybe
Holyflare
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July 20 2017 23:43 GMT
#2919
Yeh definitely, he deserves to die for being subpar
Holyflare
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July 21 2017 08:28 GMT
#2921
On July 21 2017 02:14 Skynx wrote:
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On July 21 2017 02:06 Holyflare wrote:
Nothing to do with being away at EoD. Whenever the wagon is 3-4 you come in with a new case/vote and leave your vote afk on that new wagon while nobody joins you. Yes, yesterday people did but that's what happens when you leave rogue votes like that.

See geript d1.

See Ruxxar yesterday.

geript I would've switched if i was there at claim. When I voted rayn, emp and some others were sr'ing him already.
That was the point of my vote yesterday, to provide a counter wagon option in case ppl wanna switch. Ruxxar wasn't a bad lynch.

Its not like I'm trying someone completely irrelevant on EoD's. Like that me 'trying to divert town from the wagon' thing doesn't exist.


You repeatedly said Koshi was bussing and that his reasons were subpar and he wasn't pushing things like normal.

TW was also your scum read.

Rels null read.

Emperorchampion scum read

These four(!!) players were other wagons in the game that had the possibility of being lynched since they had votes on them. Why did you not vote with town on any of them and instead go off on your own on ruxxar and start a whole new wagon??

I think your "I wanted to enable shenanigans" excuse is bs since 3/4 of your scum reads/scummy people were up for lynch before ruxxar.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 21 2017 09:15 GMT
#2922
On July 17 2017 06:29 beentheredonethat wrote:
D2: Vote Count #3


  • Rels (5) - Holyflare, sicklucker, Skynx, Damdred, geript, ruXxar, Tumblewood
  • Koshi (2) - ruXxar, emperorchampion, Holyflare, Rels
  • Holyflare (1) - Rels, ruXxar
  • Tumblewood (1) - Koshi
  • emperorchampion (1) - Rels


Non-voters (1) - Vivax



Someone, apparently Rels, is about to leave us in (at Monday, Jul 17 9:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)).

Voting is mandatory!


On July 17 2017 06:38 Skynx wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: Ruxxar


This was the vote count beforehand for reference.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 21 2017 09:20 GMT
#2923
Hmm it seems that it's explained in your filter. I'll allow it.

Still don't get why you didn't just vote koshi.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 21 2017 09:53 GMT
#2925
That's generally what happens when you play badly and try to hostage people into voting off of the mafia wagon.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 21 2017 14:03 GMT
#2927
Good chat guys.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 21 2017 20:44 GMT
#2938
is that a lynch order or you think there's 4 mafia? :D

I think that's my lynch order too but make tw and sl fight for the 3rd spot
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 21 2017 20:44 GMT
#2939
anyway rip me
Holyflare
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July 25 2017 20:37 GMT
#3037
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 26 2017 08:01 GMT
#3059
On July 26 2017 16:57 sicklucker wrote:
I dont know why both hosts thought we thought ryan was the cop. we killed him because hes rayn I roleblocked hf every night even before his claim


They said you thought I was the cop.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-26 08:34:27
July 26 2017 08:33 GMT
#3069
It's still ridiculous setup. Mafia are forced to kill masons for 2 nights(!!) or make them out to be mafia. That's -2 people to their lynch pool instantly as well.

That's like 2 extra nights really towny talkative people can live. Which is never a good thing for mafia strategy.

Then there's also a parity cop that has - 2 people in his pool of people to check so that's 10 people to check between which really isn't difficult to find 3 mafia. The masons also mean the parity cop gets his checks off regardless.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 26 2017 09:38 GMT
#3073
But ruxxar was a meanie and said I'm mafia because I never play this badly as town
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-26 10:05:05
July 26 2017 10:04 GMT
#3075
He didn't want to lynch koshi with me!
Holyflare
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United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 26 2017 11:31 GMT
#3077
It's all right, it was clearly that time of month.

+ Show Spoiler +
July 14th 2017
Holyflare
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July 26 2017 12:55 GMT
#3084
On July 26 2017 21:37 geript wrote:
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On July 26 2017 20:31 Holyflare wrote:
It's all right, it was clearly that time of month.

+ Show Spoiler +
July 14th 2017

Not funny.


Oh please, lighten up.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 26 2017 12:59 GMT
#3085
I'm just going to tackle the elephant in the room. If anyone is offended by something then next time just talk to the host and get them to sort it out. If you post anything in the thread I will never believe a word you're saying because this is a mafia game and people lie and manipulate all the time. There were some definite derogatory things (and others taken way out of context/overblown) but at the end of the day that's what the hosts and end game are there to deal with.

Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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July 26 2017 13:22 GMT
#3090
On July 26 2017 22:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You are right Holyflare. But you are also wrong because there are certain things like race, gender, sexuality and disability that should all be off limits and not just heavily modded. I mean this was not an instance where someone gets mad at some other person and calls them names.

Emotions kind of belong to the mafia game (or those things happen), but this was really not it.


I don't see at any part where any of those things legitimately came into play this game other than Ruxxar's comment, maybe SL. While I do agree that all of those things are bad - and I'm not disputing Rsoultin felt bad - I don't agree with her on 90% of the things she linked as inflammatory sexist remarks.

I spent the entire game just thinking it was bull shit mafia overblown nonsense because we are in a mafia game and there was no mod action and half of it wasn't even bad looking and so took the piss. If you want people to stop doing something then involve independent third parties.

Maybe I'm more militant in my views against things like this and I'm in the wrong compared to 99% of people but I will simply not believe anything people say in this game.
Holyflare
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July 26 2017 13:24 GMT
#3091
On July 26 2017 22:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On July 26 2017 22:09 sicklucker wrote:
Maybe but you guys have way too much emotion for an internet guessing game

Yeah but you will never know what personal "insult" hits a person in their hard place. I bet i for example could make you feel the same if i just knew what to say (and vice versa). Some people don't think it is a big deal, others might, that's the point. For example if i was gay and you told me "you're just not making any sense because you're gay" repeatedly it is not okay, and i might take offense in it while for you it might not seem like a big deal. And it has nothing to do with a mafia game in the first place.


But nobody in this game said anything like this in the slightest. Only Ruxxar's comment alluded that rsoultin was acting a way because of something female. Which is why the whole ruse looked farcical to me.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 26 2017 13:36 GMT
#3093
On July 26 2017 22:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2017 22:24 Holyflare wrote:
On July 26 2017 22:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 26 2017 22:09 sicklucker wrote:
Maybe but you guys have way too much emotion for an internet guessing game

Yeah but you will never know what personal "insult" hits a person in their hard place. I bet i for example could make you feel the same if i just knew what to say (and vice versa). Some people don't think it is a big deal, others might, that's the point. For example if i was gay and you told me "you're just not making any sense because you're gay" repeatedly it is not okay, and i might take offense in it while for you it might not seem like a big deal. And it has nothing to do with a mafia game in the first place.


But nobody in this game said anything like this in the slightest. Only Ruxxar's comment alluded that rsoultin was acting a way because of something female. Which is why the whole ruse looked farcical to me.

It doesn't matter if someone did or didn't. The fact that someone thinks people did is imo enough. Unless it's completely bullshit which it isn't because at least i can see why she thinks so.


And none of the people here meant it to be inflammatory.

None of the people here did it to make rsoultin feel bad.

In my view 90% of the things quoted were gender neutral, non-sexist remarks and certainly didn't state she was acting a way because of her gender.

So when two differing opinions clash in a mafia game and on one side you have someone thinking it's a mafia plan and on the other side you have someone annoyed and angry legitimately or not then how does one proceed?

Get mod support instead of writing it in the thread. The more you write that has nothing to do with mafia the more the other person is going to press you on producing stuff and the more annoyed you will get. Mod action ends it immediately.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 26 2017 13:38 GMT
#3094
On July 26 2017 22:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2017 22:24 Holyflare wrote:
On July 26 2017 22:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 26 2017 22:09 sicklucker wrote:
Maybe but you guys have way too much emotion for an internet guessing game

Yeah but you will never know what personal "insult" hits a person in their hard place. I bet i for example could make you feel the same if i just knew what to say (and vice versa). Some people don't think it is a big deal, others might, that's the point. For example if i was gay and you told me "you're just not making any sense because you're gay" repeatedly it is not okay, and i might take offense in it while for you it might not seem like a big deal. And it has nothing to do with a mafia game in the first place.


But nobody in this game said anything like this in the slightest. Only Ruxxar's comment alluded that rsoultin was acting a way because of something female. Which is why the whole ruse looked farcical to me.

It doesn't matter if someone did or didn't. The fact that someone thinks people did is imo enough. Unless it's completely bullshit which it isn't because at least i can see why she thinks so.

Show nested quote +
Only Ruxxar's comment alluded that rsoultin was acting a way because of something female.

I mean you did so too, even if you didn't mean it. Or at least a couple of posts you made look veeeery much like it.


I am very very much of the view that humorous remarks transcend pc culture and can be joked about.

Please, I legit want to talk about my posts and what you found sexist in them because I want to air these things out so I can either learn or do whatever with it.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-26 14:06:53
July 26 2017 13:59 GMT
#3097
I can see how that post can be misconstrued to appear sexist but it has absolutely nothing to do with gender.

Rsoul the last time I played with her is a bite-y aggressive mafia player.

This game she was overboard buddy posting all squiggles and hearts. Adding feminine as a descriptor for lots of hearts and squiggles I guess is inherently sexist due to being gendered but it in no way implies she is doing these things because she is female. Quite the contrary, I call her mafia for the buddy hearts.

Since I haven't played with her since she got in a relationship with artanis this is simply a stark contrast to aggressive rsoultin of any alignment. Nothing to do with being female and so simple correlation and causation comes into effect and she's gone soft. If someone said to me I got more love-y dovey and complacent after being in a relationship I'd be like, "ok that's an observation." Where does gender come into it?

Holyflare
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Last Edited: 2017-07-26 14:16:35
July 26 2017 14:15 GMT
#3103
On July 26 2017 23:08 geript wrote:
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On July 26 2017 22:59 Holyflare wrote:This game she was overboard buddy posting all squiggles and hearts. Adding femine as a descriptor for lots of hearts and squiggles I guess is inherently sexist due to being gendered but it in no way implies she is doing these things because she is female. Quite the contrary, I call her mafia for the buddy hearts.

This I think is a fine observation; I think it hits on whatever it was that I couldn't pick up on why I didn't like her early on. But it's not how it came across in game imo. To me, it came across as more "she's acting like more of a girl now;" which I think is why I didn't really follow up on or think about those comments seriously.


And this is where I think all the signals were mixed. I was simply making mafia observations (with sexist descriptors I guess?) whereas other people read the context differently.

I get it.

And the problem is I know all of you off of the mafia game but clearly not enough that you know me as a person and what I'm like. I'm all about the inflammatory boundary pushing and trolling to make people laugh for sensitive topics and that doesn't translate well to a forum where you can't hear cadence and tone.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 26 2017 14:19 GMT
#3104
Regardless, I actually thought rsoul was mafia because (in my view of my own post) it wasn't sexist at all and she was pushing things like it was. I see now how it can be read to actually be sexist and inflammatory and I'm sorry it wasn't clearer but this is why mod support should be called. I thought rsoultin was just abusing her position with appeals to emotion. Which is a valid mafia tactic.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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July 26 2017 16:32 GMT
#3115
I love to nitpick, it's my favourite pastime.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 26 2017 16:36 GMT
#3117
I thought I played quite towny lol?
Holyflare
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July 26 2017 17:05 GMT
#3128
On July 27 2017 02:00 ruXxar wrote:
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On July 27 2017 01:36 Holyflare wrote:
I thought I played quite towny lol?


Your reads were all over the place.
I felt like at some point you had called everyone town and scum.
Basically it looks like you're doing something when you're not.
Flailing your arms around and puffing your chest, but ultimately there's no dedication or commitment.

In my eyes that's quite scummy.


It's almost like reads update with new information! :O

Yeah, I probably did call everyone town and mafia at some point but were my reasonings wrong for that? Did I push that read forever and use it to mislynch townies or did I probe and try and change my read multiple times?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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Last Edited: 2017-07-26 17:15:31
July 26 2017 17:14 GMT
#3130
On July 27 2017 02:07 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2017 02:03 rsoultin wrote:
On July 27 2017 02:00 ruXxar wrote:
On July 27 2017 01:36 Holyflare wrote:
I thought I played quite towny lol?


Your reads were all over the place.
I felt like at some point you had called everyone town and scum.
Basically it looks like you're doing something when you're not.
Flailing your arms around and puffing your chest, but ultimately there's no dedication or commitment.

In my eyes that's quite scummy.


I actually find reevaluation towny, ruxxy ^^ especially when people have strong opinions one way or the other earlier


Sure, but when people flip their reads from town to scum to town as quick as the bat of an eye, it doesn't feel like their reads carry any weight.

This generates the feeling of light town/scum lean hedging where you always leave yourself an escape route as scum.


Which is the complete opposite of my mafia meta of hounding people till they get lynched :D
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 26 2017 17:15 GMT
#3131
I mean when I was sure of a read I pushed it for a lynch and gave good reasons and both times they were mafia sooo :O
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 26 2017 20:21 GMT
#3150
You played really towny until you tmid like crazy with your rels/tw/sl scum team and I thought you were mafia because thinking there's a cop would have been silly
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
August 14 2017 17:00 GMT
#3171
On July 13 2017 07:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2017 07:39 emperorchampion wrote:
On July 13 2017 07:36 ruXxar wrote:
On July 13 2017 07:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
geript is actually also prolly mafia
´


This I could get behind.


Color me confused as to why geript thinks Raynaud is maf

idk but geript seems like he WANTS holyflare to be town instead of wanting to figure out if he is town or not. But ruxxar doesnt even want to figure out what you are after finding something "super good".


Within 2 fucking posts too!! He didn't even get asked for the read. No force. No anger.
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