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ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 16 2017 19:08 GMT
#1981
On July 17 2017 04:07 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2017 04:06 Koshi wrote:
On July 17 2017 04:04 ruXxar wrote:
On July 17 2017 04:03 Koshi wrote:
On July 17 2017 04:01 ruXxar wrote:
On July 17 2017 03:59 Koshi wrote:
I said the now because last time I said something about TW and that was incorrect ↓. But this time I am sure I am correct.
+ Show Spoiler +

On July 17 2017 02:40 Koshi wrote:
And TW is not the person who makes those kinda reads. Not 100% on that but I think I am right.


Mafia prefers to work with absolutes. So VA being lock town for being excited is way more likely coming from a mafia than a town.



You don't answer my question.

Why?

Last time I wasn't sure about something I said and this time I was sure.

Holy fuck... In which wolrd does it even matter???


So this new surety of TWs play style just manifested itself out of nothing?

my brain? and the fact I played a lot with him.


So why weren't you sure before, but now you are sure?

"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 16 2017 19:10 GMT
#1983
On July 17 2017 04:07 Koshi wrote:
I prefer the quiet ruXxar that worshipped me from last game.


If you had played like last game I'd have no reason to scum read you.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 16 2017 19:13 GMT
#1986
On July 17 2017 04:09 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2017 04:07 ruXxar wrote:
On July 17 2017 04:06 Koshi wrote:
On July 17 2017 04:04 ruXxar wrote:
On July 17 2017 04:03 Koshi wrote:
On July 17 2017 04:01 ruXxar wrote:
On July 17 2017 03:59 Koshi wrote:
I said the now because last time I said something about TW and that was incorrect ↓. But this time I am sure I am correct.
+ Show Spoiler +

On July 17 2017 02:40 Koshi wrote:
And TW is not the person who makes those kinda reads. Not 100% on that but I think I am right.


Mafia prefers to work with absolutes. So VA being lock town for being excited is way more likely coming from a mafia than a town.



You don't answer my question.

Why?

Last time I wasn't sure about something I said and this time I was sure.

Holy fuck... In which wolrd does it even matter???


So this new surety of TWs play style just manifested itself out of nothing?

my brain? and the fact I played a lot with him.


So why weren't you she before, but now you are sure?

Cuz 1 thing I wasn't sure about. But the other thing I was sure about.

It's like:
Koshi: I am not sure I ate a banana last week but I think I did.
Koshi's mom: No you didn't eat a banana last weak.
Koshi: oh ok, but now I am sure about the fact I ate a apple last week.


??? That analogy is about recollecting memory.

It has nothing to do with you forming a new opinion on a subject.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 16 2017 19:20 GMT
#1993
On July 17 2017 04:14 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2017 04:09 Koshi wrote:
On July 17 2017 04:07 ruXxar wrote:
On July 17 2017 04:06 Koshi wrote:
On July 17 2017 04:04 ruXxar wrote:
On July 17 2017 04:03 Koshi wrote:
On July 17 2017 04:01 ruXxar wrote:
On July 17 2017 03:59 Koshi wrote:
I said the now because last time I said something about TW and that was incorrect ↓. But this time I am sure I am correct.
+ Show Spoiler +

On July 17 2017 02:40 Koshi wrote:
And TW is not the person who makes those kinda reads. Not 100% on that but I think I am right.


Mafia prefers to work with absolutes. So VA being lock town for being excited is way more likely coming from a mafia than a town.



You don't answer my question.

Why?

Last time I wasn't sure about something I said and this time I was sure.

Holy fuck... In which wolrd does it even matter???


So this new surety of TWs play style just manifested itself out of nothing?

my brain? and the fact I played a lot with him.


So why weren't you she before, but now you are sure?

Cuz 1 thing I wasn't sure about. But the other thing I was sure about.

It's like:
Koshi: I am not sure I ate a banana last week but I think I did.
Koshi's mom: No you didn't eat a banana last weak.
Koshi: oh ok, but now I am sure about the fact I ate a apple last week.


So let me ask you this. You were wrong about TW's meta in your original post which means you don't even know how he correctly plays or what he posts like. So how do you now know that TW is a confident person that says his reads and doesn't care how he looks if you didn't know the first time?


ALSO isn't this read the exact same as what you're scum reading TW for about how he forced a read onto VA about him being excited and town? It looks the same to me.


This is what I'm asking.
It shouldn't be a difficult question to answer.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 16 2017 19:25 GMT
#1995
You went from this:
On July 17 2017 02:40 Koshi wrote:
And TW is not the person who makes those kinda reads. Not 100% on that but I think I am right.

To this:
And now I am pretty sure about the fact TW is somebody who does not care about how people perceive him but about solving the game. If needed on his own.


What changed in between?
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 16 2017 21:56 GMT
#2041
On July 17 2017 06:23 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2017 06:14 Holyflare wrote:
Rels if you are green why are you not 100x over lynching ruxxar?

the way he thinks about the game makes me think of last game. Last game he had this idea of scum being in annul => he based all his game view on that. This game he sees you fakeclaiming a check => he's basing his game view on that. He watns to lynch you, and he doesn't understand why you're not voted.


Rels with the god read.

Makes me want to call you town
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 16 2017 22:16 GMT
#2044
On July 17 2017 07:02 Skynx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2017 06:46 Koshi wrote:
On July 17 2017 06:36 Skynx wrote:
On July 17 2017 06:29 Koshi wrote:
On July 17 2017 06:24 Skynx wrote:
Do we have any reason to lynch Koshi over Ruxxar?

Let's lynch TW.

Park the bus.

On July 17 2017 06:38 Skynx wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: Ruxxar

I don't understand.

Which teammate would you like to bus first?


After all I've done this game, you think I am mafia with koshi...?
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 17 2017 15:49 GMT
#2162
On July 17 2017 22:59 Holyflare wrote:
Did your mason chat break?


!!!
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 17 2017 16:00 GMT
#2163
On July 17 2017 17:38 Skynx wrote:
Can we go on with the confirmed mafia in Ruxxar please?


What makes me confirmed mafia?

On July 17 2017 07:02 Skynx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2017 06:46 Koshi wrote:
On July 17 2017 06:36 Skynx wrote:
On July 17 2017 06:29 Koshi wrote:
On July 17 2017 06:24 Skynx wrote:
Do we have any reason to lynch Koshi over Ruxxar?

Let's lynch TW.

Park the bus.

On July 17 2017 06:38 Skynx wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: Ruxxar

I don't understand.

Which teammate would you like to bus first?


In what universe am I scum with koshi?
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 17 2017 17:43 GMT
#2191
On July 18 2017 02:18 Holyflare wrote:
Honestly I don't even care who gets lynched out of 90% of the game.


Of course mafia doesn't care.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 17 2017 21:13 GMT
#2413
Gg. My own fault for being out eating dinner at EOD.
Gl you all
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 26 2017 16:33 GMT
#3116
Gg everyone.
Hope another game opens soon.

Post game thoughts:

HF:
still think your play was scummy and would've voted you again if I could.
Might've picked up some read pointers for your alignment.

Rayn:
I feel like I have a pretty solid read on you.
Very towny this game.

Koshi:
Felt like super obvious scum, your town and scum play is nothing alike(in my limited experience)

TW:
good tone, felt remarkably different from your scum game. Content more dubious, but I guess that's natural as town.

SL:
from my Pov you lacked direction and your usual town arrogance this game. I felt you cowered when challenged.

Skynx:
Felt a tone change from last game.
More positive and on the prowl.
I enjoyed it.

EC:
Chatty chatty.
A little wild at points but overall towny approach.
It was nice meeting you.
Hope we play again soon

Geript:
Thanks for the advice.
Will take a bit more to cure my trigger finger though.

Damdred:
Didn't seem like you were involved this game, or maybe you're always this cool headed.
Hard to read you because of that.

Rels:
Once again no D1 presence .
Really liked you when you started playing.

VA:
Well... I really hated how you played this game.
I do apologize for calling you socially awkward, but your play was downright awful.
You didn't try to play the game or produce any valuable reads for town.
Your death was deserved, but I didn't like it.

Overall thoughts:

Masons made the game boring after the claim.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 26 2017 17:00 GMT
#3124
On July 27 2017 01:36 Holyflare wrote:
I thought I played quite towny lol?


Your reads were all over the place.
I felt like at some point you had called everyone town and scum.
Basically it looks like you're doing something when you're not.
Flailing your arms around and puffing your chest, but ultimately there's no dedication or commitment.

In my eyes that's quite scummy.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 26 2017 17:07 GMT
#3129
On July 27 2017 02:03 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2017 02:00 ruXxar wrote:
On July 27 2017 01:36 Holyflare wrote:
I thought I played quite towny lol?


Your reads were all over the place.
I felt like at some point you had called everyone town and scum.
Basically it looks like you're doing something when you're not.
Flailing your arms around and puffing your chest, but ultimately there's no dedication or commitment.

In my eyes that's quite scummy.


I actually find reevaluation towny, ruxxy ^^ especially when people have strong opinions one way or the other earlier


Sure, but when people flip their reads from town to scum to town as quick as the bat of an eye, it doesn't feel like their reads carry any weight.

This generates the feeling of light town/scum lean hedging where you always leave yourself an escape route as scum.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 26 2017 21:40 GMT
#3155
On July 27 2017 02:14 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2017 02:07 ruXxar wrote:
On July 27 2017 02:03 rsoultin wrote:
On July 27 2017 02:00 ruXxar wrote:
On July 27 2017 01:36 Holyflare wrote:
I thought I played quite towny lol?


Your reads were all over the place.
I felt like at some point you had called everyone town and scum.
Basically it looks like you're doing something when you're not.
Flailing your arms around and puffing your chest, but ultimately there's no dedication or commitment.

In my eyes that's quite scummy.


I actually find reevaluation towny, ruxxy ^^ especially when people have strong opinions one way or the other earlier


Sure, but when people flip their reads from town to scum to town as quick as the bat of an eye, it doesn't feel like their reads carry any weight.

This generates the feeling of light town/scum lean hedging where you always leave yourself an escape route as scum.


Which is the complete opposite of my mafia meta of hounding people till they get lynched :D


From what I remember this is very true. I'll give you that
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 26 2017 22:01 GMT
#3156
And to people saying my lynch was bad:

It was 90% my own fault.

My day 2 play was atrocious.
I couldn't present myself with an honest towny appearance as long as I was scum reading hf and koshi.
When HF even wanted to lynch koshi, i was checkmated and sidelined.

I'll try to be stronger next time and overcome these mental blocks of mine.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 26 2017 22:59 GMT
#3158
On July 27 2017 07:40 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2017 07:01 ruXxar wrote:
And to people saying my lynch was bad:

It was 90% my own fault.

My day 2 play was atrocious.
I couldn't present myself with an honest towny appearance as long as I was scum reading hf and koshi.
When HF even wanted to lynch koshi, i was checkmated and sidelined.

I'll try to be stronger next time and overcome these mental blocks of mine.


I think you may do well to try to restrain your posting a bit more.

I felt you would post any and every thought that crossed your mind and that led to you constantly contradicting yourself or loosing your train of thought. It was what caused multiple people to stop and ask wtf you were doing half the time.

On the one hand posting freely and not holding back is very towny, but sometimes when you post everything you think it ends up flooding the game and your filter with conflicting drivel.

I'm not saying you should hold back posting your thoughts, but take a few moments before hitting post to think of what you are posting is adding to the game or not.


I can't help myself.
When I play mafia I play mafia.
I just feel like posting my thoughts and talking to people.
I know this isn't always conducive to good mafia play, but playing mafia has to be entertaining to keep me playing.
I keep myself entertained by posting stuff and being engaged.

Which basically ends up with me making lots of filler posts in between my regular objective based posts.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-26 23:48:38
July 26 2017 23:44 GMT
#3161
Aside from all this off-topi talk Ruxxar if you're here i'd like to ask you something:

Can you walk me through with the following;
Yesterday i tried to go back and read our interactions on D1 and i still can't figure out where i went wrong. I usually try to learn why i misread someone but i honestly can't make any sense of this one. Basically i called you mafia for two reasons and i would like to know why you did those things:
- You called out Damdred because he scumread rsoultin based on couple of her opening posts. He even said that very clearly. There is nothing wrong with that but the way you called him out was super bs imo, since you put it in a way of "well if you call out rsoultin then why don't you call these other people out too?", when those said other people had zero posts made. Like, you understand having made a couple of (or even one post) compared to zero posts make a huge difference? I genuinely associate that with mafia since you werent even really calling out Damdred out for what he did (aka the read in itself) but instead for something else (that doesn't even make any sense). It's like you were comparing two things that were completely different.
- Then you seemed like Koshi was super duper scummy for you. Why didn't you ever try to talk about Koshi, push him, or interact with him? I mean like... it's not like people "mislead" you into talking about something else (for example in a way i pushed Rels to talk about nonsense in the last game final phase -- to avoid him making a case on BH), you picked the topics you wanted to talk about and Koshi was never there in those topics. I find it very unnatural, since i am used to people wanting to convince other people to lynch their top scumread. Especially when those said other people don't agree with you i don't understand why don't try to convince them and at the same time you are perfectly comfortable to discuss basically every other player in the game rather than Koshi.

And i don't even think that's the worst part. I think the worst part is when i point this out and clearly give you a chance to explain yourself you call my words bs and call me unreasonable. And continue doing the same thing... I mean, did i miss something? Because i don't think i was being unreasonable at all since everything i said is true.


1) Damdred call-out:
I was trying to bait some reactions from damdred. Elicit him to perhaps give something away.

I said that my argument wasn't a strong one, but I found it good enough as a pretense to start questioning damdred.
I wanted to engage him, but people kept distracting me, relieving him of pressure to respond.

2) No koshi push:
Here's my issue:

I made a couple posts on koshi, and the only one to actually respond to any of it in a serious matter was SL his scum buddy.
No one else considered my cases to be worth jack.
So I'm like ok, I asked a couple people what they thought of koshi and they go "meh w/e".

Then koshi comes back in the thread and posts stuff on VA, but ignores anything I posted on him, leaving me with no more fodder to use against him.

So at this point I could've done more by pressing the issue, and I definitely should have.
Instead I kinda lost interest and went "meh".
If no one was interested in voting koshi then I'll just do it myself.
After a while I got bored, and when geript wanted to recruit people for a skynx lynch I thought it would be more fun than sitting alone on koshi.

3) our argument
I think this is simply a matter of perception.
I felt like I had pushed koshi quite a bit.
You did not.

In hindsight I can see how you would perceive that I hadn't.
In my mind however I felt like I had adequately pushed koshi and I was 100% honest when I said so.

I felt like you were trying to throw scum on me by misconstruing my opinion on koshi, which was that he was absolutely my #1 scum read.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 27 2017 09:30 GMT
#3166
@tumble:

Why did you vote for me when you were calling me town all game?
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
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