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On July 17 2017 01:33 Holyflare wrote:
Ruxxar. Your whole fake claim spiel plan was that I'm mafia trying to save koshi. Now I'm lynching koshi. What's the excuse now?
He's your mafia partner.
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On July 17 2017 01:43 Holyflare wrote:
Yeh so let's lynch koshi then k?
No.
I've had enough of your scummy shenanigans.
Either lynch me or NK me. I'm not changing my vote until you are dead.
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On July 17 2017 01:35 Rels wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote Koshi
Why?
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On July 17 2017 01:55 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2017 01:51 ruXxar wrote:On July 17 2017 01:35 Rels wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote Koshi Why? Show nested quote +On July 15 2017 05:01 Rels wrote:On July 15 2017 04:54 Koshi wrote:
Did some1 tell me why rsoultin isnt mafia? Koshi not being thread dictator is worrying Show nested quote +On July 16 2017 23:31 Rels wrote:
I'm OK being traded for HF. But you all have to really commit to the HF lynch after I flip. Don't listen to anything he says, just vote him and discuss other stuff. The dude managed to not get lynched after he was red checked as scum.
Now what's good is that I have absolutely no pressure. Let's see.
geript / Damdred claimed masons. They are very likely to be masons. Basically, you should lynch one in LYLO if they're still both alive. Until then they can be conf town.
rsoul emotional posts makes her town I think. I don't see her making these posts as scum.
Skynx is awesome. In particular his Koshi. I disagree with him but I see exactly where he's coming from. That's how I treated Palmar last game.
Koshi's pointless filter makes him scum. Even if he tryhards for one day later, the fact that it's not natural for him when it is usually natural for him is pretty damning.
These are my strong reads. HF / Koshi + 1 is pretty likely. Gonna read the rest of the filters to see where I stand about the other players. Show nested quote +On July 17 2017 01:34 Rels wrote:On July 17 2017 01:25 Holyflare wrote:
I absolutely despise koshi this game. There is 0% chance he goes from narcissistic ego maniac into 0 proper reads and afking for the whole game with 1 read on VA.
Then his rsoultin read is the most arse backwards thing I could ever see from him. The guy that town reads people on tone all day and he doesn't town read rsoultin/vivax for that post is not a koshi I know. this is 100% true
And you ignore HFs fake claim why?
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Can someone explain why HFs fake claim is not scummy?
Seems like I'm the only one that doesn't get it.
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On July 17 2017 02:37 Koshi wrote:
Would be a pretty great play if Rels and HF are mafia together. HF using his towncred to create and abolish a wagon on Rels. Rels doing nothing but pushing the ml of the day. Good stuff.
I had the same thought.
Rels backed off HF too fast for my liking.
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On July 17 2017 03:03 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2017 02:47 ruXxar wrote:On July 17 2017 02:37 Koshi wrote:
Would be a pretty great play if Rels and HF are mafia together. HF using his towncred to create and abolish a wagon on Rels. Rels doing nothing but pushing the ml of the day. Good stuff. I had the same thought. Rels backed off HF too fast for my liking. Hi. Why is TW not mafia?
He could be.
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On July 17 2017 03:16 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2017 03:13 Koshi wrote:On July 17 2017 03:07 Tumblewood wrote:On July 17 2017 02:40 Koshi wrote:
And TW is not the person who makes those kinda reads. Not 100% on that but I think I am right.
Mafia prefers to work with absolutes. So VA being lock town for being excited is way more likely coming from a mafia than a town. the first part is patently untrue, and you just made the second part up I am very right on the second part btw. you could just as easily say the opposite. "oh, mafia like not committing, so they can change their positions later as it suits them." see how easy that was? i've heard both sides of the coin on tmi and wishy-washy and as far as i'm concerned both sides are wrong
I like this post.
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On July 17 2017 03:20 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2017 03:17 ruXxar wrote:On July 17 2017 03:16 Tumblewood wrote:On July 17 2017 03:13 Koshi wrote:On July 17 2017 03:07 Tumblewood wrote:On July 17 2017 02:40 Koshi wrote:
And TW is not the person who makes those kinda reads. Not 100% on that but I think I am right.
Mafia prefers to work with absolutes. So VA being lock town for being excited is way more likely coming from a mafia than a town. the first part is patently untrue, and you just made the second part up I am very right on the second part btw. you could just as easily say the opposite. "oh, mafia like not committing, so they can change their positions later as it suits them." see how easy that was? i've heard both sides of the coin on tmi and wishy-washy and as far as i'm concerned both sides are wrong I like this post. Why it has nothing to do with mafia and he is wrong. Mafia has a way tougher time gradually acquiring townread than a townie has. So it happens more often that they seemingly out of nowhere read somebody town and then ignore that person for a very long time. While a townie more often uses 3-4 or more posts to read somebody town. And that post has nothing to do with actually playing mafia.
Maybe he's wrong, but you could easily argue it either way, and there's no way to prove you wrong.
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Koshi did you read my case on TW?
+ Show Spoiler +On July 16 2017 10:52 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2017 09:53 geript wrote:
@HF. I'd like to get your opinion on TW. IMO, he looks like a great flip (better than Rux). He seems to have a lot of opinions without many suppositions. Many of those opinions are correct and I don't think he was more than mediocre when I've played with him previously. I'm reviewing my read on TW, who I previously had as lock town. The reason for my lock town read, was a very strong tone and meta read from his first list post. After now reviewing his filter again, my opinion on him has changed from locked town to free agent. Here is one of my findings on why my opinion changed: Here he says who he wants to lynch due to his Poe. But more importantly he mentions the *order* in which he wants to lynch. Indicating that this is his strongest scum reads from left to right: Show nested quote +On July 14 2017 14:51 Tumblewood wrote:
the scary thing is i don't think hf is obvious mafia this game. idk what that's supposed to mean but i don't think i want to lynch him today
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actually looking at the playerlist, if you remove everyone i had some reason to not wanna lynch today it's only 4 people. and that's ec/va/rels/koshi. so imma lynch into them in that order(ish) and then after than idk
but if i wanna actually be decent i'll have to filter people. tomorrow (TM) HOWEVER. When I question him later why EC is his primary scum read(as indicated from the post above), this is the response I get: Show nested quote +On July 15 2017 01:52 Tumblewood wrote:On July 15 2017 01:50 ruXxar wrote:On July 15 2017 01:46 Tumblewood wrote:On July 15 2017 00:52 ruXxar wrote:On July 15 2017 00:49 Skynx wrote:On July 15 2017 00:31 ruXxar wrote:On July 15 2017 00:28 Skynx wrote:On July 15 2017 00:25 ruXxar wrote:
VA. Tumblewood, rels.
Please vote. What? TW was 100 town???? Yes? What did he do wrong? What did Rels do wrong? They haven't voted yet. chill, i have like 5 hours left to do this Why is EC scum? i didn't say he is. i said he was one of four people i had no reason to townread, and right now i am filtering him I find it suspicious that before even filtering his *primary* scum read, he has already determined the order in which he want to lynch his scum reads. This tells me that he constructed the order in which he wanted to lynch people based on something else than their actual posts in the game. This could be mafia wanting to push a lynch agenda suited to third agenda. It really seemed to catch TW off-guard to be questioned about this, when he should've already had his reasons clear to him on the lynch order if he was town.
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On July 17 2017 03:28 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2017 03:23 ruXxar wrote:On July 17 2017 03:20 Koshi wrote:On July 17 2017 03:17 ruXxar wrote:On July 17 2017 03:16 Tumblewood wrote:On July 17 2017 03:13 Koshi wrote:On July 17 2017 03:07 Tumblewood wrote:On July 17 2017 02:40 Koshi wrote:
And TW is not the person who makes those kinda reads. Not 100% on that but I think I am right.
Mafia prefers to work with absolutes. So VA being lock town for being excited is way more likely coming from a mafia than a town. the first part is patently untrue, and you just made the second part up I am very right on the second part btw. you could just as easily say the opposite. "oh, mafia like not committing, so they can change their positions later as it suits them." see how easy that was? i've heard both sides of the coin on tmi and wishy-washy and as far as i'm concerned both sides are wrong I like this post. Why it has nothing to do with mafia and he is wrong. Mafia has a way tougher time gradually acquiring townread than a townie has. So it happens more often that they seemingly out of nowhere read somebody town and then ignore that person for a very long time. While a townie more often uses 3-4 or more posts to read somebody town. And that post has nothing to do with actually playing mafia. Maybe he's wrong, but you could easily argue it either way, and there's no way to prove you wrong. That's not the point. I am explaining to you that it isn't a "good post". The post from TW was just NAI and didn't disprove my previous post at all... So how is it a good post?
It's a good post because it renders your argument prett weak.
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Also koshi, what is your opinion on HF fake claim.
Scum or town?
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On July 17 2017 03:34 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2017 03:29 ruXxar wrote:Koshi did you read my case on TW? + Show Spoiler +On July 16 2017 10:52 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2017 09:53 geript wrote:
@HF. I'd like to get your opinion on TW. IMO, he looks like a great flip (better than Rux). He seems to have a lot of opinions without many suppositions. Many of those opinions are correct and I don't think he was more than mediocre when I've played with him previously. I'm reviewing my read on TW, who I previously had as lock town. The reason for my lock town read, was a very strong tone and meta read from his first list post. After now reviewing his filter again, my opinion on him has changed from locked town to free agent. Here is one of my findings on why my opinion changed: Here he says who he wants to lynch due to his Poe. But more importantly he mentions the *order* in which he wants to lynch. Indicating that this is his strongest scum reads from left to right: Show nested quote +On July 14 2017 14:51 Tumblewood wrote:
the scary thing is i don't think hf is obvious mafia this game. idk what that's supposed to mean but i don't think i want to lynch him today
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actually looking at the playerlist, if you remove everyone i had some reason to not wanna lynch today it's only 4 people. and that's ec/va/rels/koshi. so imma lynch into them in that order(ish) and then after than idk
but if i wanna actually be decent i'll have to filter people. tomorrow (TM) HOWEVER. When I question him later why EC is his primary scum read(as indicated from the post above), this is the response I get: Show nested quote +On July 15 2017 01:52 Tumblewood wrote:On July 15 2017 01:50 ruXxar wrote:On July 15 2017 01:46 Tumblewood wrote:On July 15 2017 00:52 ruXxar wrote:On July 15 2017 00:49 Skynx wrote:On July 15 2017 00:31 ruXxar wrote:On July 15 2017 00:28 Skynx wrote:On July 15 2017 00:25 ruXxar wrote:
VA. Tumblewood, rels.
Please vote. What? TW was 100 town???? Yes? What did he do wrong? What did Rels do wrong? They haven't voted yet. chill, i have like 5 hours left to do this Why is EC scum? i didn't say he is. i said he was one of four people i had no reason to townread, and right now i am filtering him I find it suspicious that before even filtering his *primary* scum read, he has already determined the order in which he want to lynch his scum reads. This tells me that he constructed the order in which he wanted to lynch people based on something else than their actual posts in the game. This could be mafia wanting to push a lynch agenda suited to third agenda. It really seemed to catch TW off-guard to be questioned about this, when he should've already had his reasons clear to him on the lynch order if he was town. I read it but just kept in the back of my mind as "possible true". Rereading it now, I like the a lot. Shows TW is not finding mafia and just going with the flow this game.
And now I am pretty sure about the fact TW is somebody who does not care about how people perceive him but about solving the game. If needed on his own.
What does this mean?
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*Solving* the game.
Isn't that a term you use about someone who is town?
I thought you was calling TW scum.
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On July 17 2017 03:42 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2017 03:37 ruXxar wrote:On July 17 2017 03:34 Koshi wrote:On July 17 2017 03:29 ruXxar wrote:Koshi did you read my case on TW? + Show Spoiler +On July 16 2017 10:52 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2017 09:53 geript wrote:
@HF. I'd like to get your opinion on TW. IMO, he looks like a great flip (better than Rux). He seems to have a lot of opinions without many suppositions. Many of those opinions are correct and I don't think he was more than mediocre when I've played with him previously. I'm reviewing my read on TW, who I previously had as lock town. The reason for my lock town read, was a very strong tone and meta read from his first list post. After now reviewing his filter again, my opinion on him has changed from locked town to free agent. Here is one of my findings on why my opinion changed: Here he says who he wants to lynch due to his Poe. But more importantly he mentions the *order* in which he wants to lynch. Indicating that this is his strongest scum reads from left to right: Show nested quote +On July 14 2017 14:51 Tumblewood wrote:
the scary thing is i don't think hf is obvious mafia this game. idk what that's supposed to mean but i don't think i want to lynch him today
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actually looking at the playerlist, if you remove everyone i had some reason to not wanna lynch today it's only 4 people. and that's ec/va/rels/koshi. so imma lynch into them in that order(ish) and then after than idk
but if i wanna actually be decent i'll have to filter people. tomorrow (TM) HOWEVER. When I question him later why EC is his primary scum read(as indicated from the post above), this is the response I get: Show nested quote +On July 15 2017 01:52 Tumblewood wrote:On July 15 2017 01:50 ruXxar wrote:On July 15 2017 01:46 Tumblewood wrote:On July 15 2017 00:52 ruXxar wrote:On July 15 2017 00:49 Skynx wrote:On July 15 2017 00:31 ruXxar wrote:On July 15 2017 00:28 Skynx wrote:On July 15 2017 00:25 ruXxar wrote:
VA. Tumblewood, rels.
Please vote. What? TW was 100 town???? Yes? What did he do wrong? What did Rels do wrong? They haven't voted yet. chill, i have like 5 hours left to do this Why is EC scum? i didn't say he is. i said he was one of four people i had no reason to townread, and right now i am filtering him I find it suspicious that before even filtering his *primary* scum read, he has already determined the order in which he want to lynch his scum reads. This tells me that he constructed the order in which he wanted to lynch people based on something else than their actual posts in the game. This could be mafia wanting to push a lynch agenda suited to third agenda. It really seemed to catch TW off-guard to be questioned about this, when he should've already had his reasons clear to him on the lynch order if he was town. I read it but just kept in the back of my mind as "possible true". Rereading it now, I like the a lot. Shows TW is not finding mafia and just going with the flow this game.
And now I am pretty sure about the fact TW is somebody who does not care about how people perceive him but about solving the game. If needed on his own. What does this mean? That in this game TW is not solving the game. Which for him is the fun part. His only scumread is me and I don't even know why. Probably thread sentiment.
Explain what changed your mind to now reach this conclusion of being so sure.
On July 17 2017 03:34 Koshi wrote:
And now I am pretty sure about the fact TW is somebody who does not care about how people perceive him but about solving the game. If needed on his own.
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On July 17 2017 03:53 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2017 03:50 Koshi wrote:On July 16 2017 19:43 ruXxar wrote:On July 16 2017 19:30 emperorchampion wrote:On July 16 2017 19:19 ruXxar wrote:On July 16 2017 16:55 emperorchampion wrote:
@ ruxxar: do you remember if you had a town lock on tumble first, or him with you? Please explain why that is important to you. I think that one of the reads could be a buddying attempt since there's an ok chance one of you are scum. Tumbles read seems a bit more suspicious at the moment given his most recent reply. To me seems possible that tumble gives you town lock as scum to help build allies with players that are in weaker situations. I can see that. I know I look bad for my defending of VA, so I'm a hypocrite for saying this, but I think TW also looks bad for his supposed town read on VA. I wouldn't say it's definitely mafia though, since I'm town and reached the same conclusion. What most bothers me about TW, is how little doubt he has about any of his reads. His reads are static and non evolving as the game progresses. Most notably very few ingame events makes him reconsider his reads, which means that his reads are locked regardless of what we do. That is a sign of someone with TMI aka mafia. Goddamnit Ruxxar. This is exactly what I said about TW.... dude doesn't remember any of his reads doesn't even remember he 100% scum reads you
.... just ..... no
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On July 17 2017 03:54 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2017 03:51 ruXxar wrote:On July 17 2017 03:42 Koshi wrote:On July 17 2017 03:37 ruXxar wrote:On July 17 2017 03:34 Koshi wrote:On July 17 2017 03:29 ruXxar wrote:Koshi did you read my case on TW? + Show Spoiler +On July 16 2017 10:52 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2017 09:53 geript wrote:
@HF. I'd like to get your opinion on TW. IMO, he looks like a great flip (better than Rux). He seems to have a lot of opinions without many suppositions. Many of those opinions are correct and I don't think he was more than mediocre when I've played with him previously. I'm reviewing my read on TW, who I previously had as lock town. The reason for my lock town read, was a very strong tone and meta read from his first list post. After now reviewing his filter again, my opinion on him has changed from locked town to free agent. Here is one of my findings on why my opinion changed: Here he says who he wants to lynch due to his Poe. But more importantly he mentions the *order* in which he wants to lynch. Indicating that this is his strongest scum reads from left to right: Show nested quote +On July 14 2017 14:51 Tumblewood wrote:
the scary thing is i don't think hf is obvious mafia this game. idk what that's supposed to mean but i don't think i want to lynch him today
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actually looking at the playerlist, if you remove everyone i had some reason to not wanna lynch today it's only 4 people. and that's ec/va/rels/koshi. so imma lynch into them in that order(ish) and then after than idk
but if i wanna actually be decent i'll have to filter people. tomorrow (TM) HOWEVER. When I question him later why EC is his primary scum read(as indicated from the post above), this is the response I get: Show nested quote +On July 15 2017 01:52 Tumblewood wrote:On July 15 2017 01:50 ruXxar wrote:On July 15 2017 01:46 Tumblewood wrote:On July 15 2017 00:52 ruXxar wrote:On July 15 2017 00:49 Skynx wrote:On July 15 2017 00:31 ruXxar wrote:On July 15 2017 00:28 Skynx wrote:On July 15 2017 00:25 ruXxar wrote:
VA. Tumblewood, rels.
Please vote. What? TW was 100 town???? Yes? What did he do wrong? What did Rels do wrong? They haven't voted yet. chill, i have like 5 hours left to do this Why is EC scum? i didn't say he is. i said he was one of four people i had no reason to townread, and right now i am filtering him I find it suspicious that before even filtering his *primary* scum read, he has already determined the order in which he want to lynch his scum reads. This tells me that he constructed the order in which he wanted to lynch people based on something else than their actual posts in the game. This could be mafia wanting to push a lynch agenda suited to third agenda. It really seemed to catch TW off-guard to be questioned about this, when he should've already had his reasons clear to him on the lynch order if he was town. I read it but just kept in the back of my mind as "possible true". Rereading it now, I like the a lot. Shows TW is not finding mafia and just going with the flow this game.
And now I am pretty sure about the fact TW is somebody who does not care about how people perceive him but about solving the game. If needed on his own. What does this mean? That in this game TW is not solving the game. Which for him is the fun part. His only scumread is me and I don't even know why. Probably thread sentiment. Explain what changed your mind to now reach this conclusion of being so sure. On July 17 2017 03:34 Koshi wrote:
And now I am pretty sure about the fact TW is somebody who does not care about how people perceive him but about solving the game. If needed on his own. he did explain that in general tw is like that but isn't like that in this game
It's this part that interests me
On July 17 2017 03:34 Koshi wrote:
And now I am pretty sure about the fact TW is somebody who does not care about how people perceive him but about solving the game. If needed on his own.
What made him, in *that* moment become so sure.
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On July 17 2017 03:59 Koshi wrote:I said the now because last time I said something about TW and that was incorrect ↓. But this time I am sure I am correct. + Show Spoiler +On July 17 2017 02:40 Koshi wrote:
And TW is not the person who makes those kinda reads. Not 100% on that but I think I am right.
Mafia prefers to work with absolutes. So VA being lock town for being excited is way more likely coming from a mafia than a town.
You don't answer my question.
Why?
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On July 17 2017 04:03 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2017 04:01 ruXxar wrote:On July 17 2017 03:59 Koshi wrote:I said the now because last time I said something about TW and that was incorrect ↓. But this time I am sure I am correct. + Show Spoiler +On July 17 2017 02:40 Koshi wrote:
And TW is not the person who makes those kinda reads. Not 100% on that but I think I am right.
Mafia prefers to work with absolutes. So VA being lock town for being excited is way more likely coming from a mafia than a town. You don't answer my question. Why? Last time I wasn't sure about something I said and this time I was sure. Holy fuck... In which wolrd does it even matter???
So this new surety of TWs play style just manifested itself out of nothing?
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On July 17 2017 04:06 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2017 04:04 ruXxar wrote:On July 17 2017 04:03 Koshi wrote:On July 17 2017 04:01 ruXxar wrote:On July 17 2017 03:59 Koshi wrote:I said the now because last time I said something about TW and that was incorrect ↓. But this time I am sure I am correct. + Show Spoiler +On July 17 2017 02:40 Koshi wrote:
And TW is not the person who makes those kinda reads. Not 100% on that but I think I am right.
Mafia prefers to work with absolutes. So VA being lock town for being excited is way more likely coming from a mafia than a town. You don't answer my question. Why? Last time I wasn't sure about something I said and this time I was sure. Holy fuck... In which wolrd does it even matter??? So this new surety of TWs play style just manifested itself out of nothing? my brain? and the fact I played a lot with him.
So why weren't you she before, but now you are sure?
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