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Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
July 18 2017 19:37 GMT
#2521
On July 19 2017 04:35 emperorchampion wrote:
Mmm I feel a tad bad about rux, but yeah it's ok. How comfirmed are the masons to you?

Don't think we can do much about it until we see other claims or if they don't die.
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
July 18 2017 19:44 GMT
#2522
Mmm in retrospect claiming early is maybe the least scummy thing. Since later would be hella suspicious. Too much wifiom for me god damn
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Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
July 18 2017 19:58 GMT
#2523
Damdred's first thing coming into the game (not long after the game started) was buddying geript without presenting any reason. If they are mafia they literally decided their entire gameplan in 2 hours.
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
July 18 2017 20:01 GMT
#2524
SL has done 0 town things so far, stats provided by OptaJoe.
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
July 18 2017 20:03 GMT
#2525
On July 19 2017 04:58 Skynx wrote:
Damdred's first thing coming into the game (not long after the game started) was buddying geript without presenting any reason. If they are mafia they literally decided their entire gameplan in 2 hours.


Yeah I saw that, it's a little slower on geript's side was the only thing. damdred's filter looks pretty solid also, geript's is maybe better than I thought but I'm pretty salty about his tunnel.
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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22247 Posts
July 18 2017 20:05 GMT
#2526
I'd put the mafia at Koshi, emc, one of Rels or Skynx atm.

TW has really improved his posting shape wise and his reads align with mine more or less (with exception of emc), but I'm afraid of TMI in his case and that he's trying to look shiny. For example I didn't like Ruxxars posting much during D1 and I'm not sure what made him townread him.

His read came down to this:

On July 14 2017 14:54 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2017 14:50 geript wrote:
On July 14 2017 14:37 Tumblewood wrote:
On July 14 2017 08:14 ruXxar wrote:
On July 14 2017 07:54 geript wrote:
So Rux... what did you think of my case on Skynx?


1. Skynx case on Rayn is flawed and based on half truths.
Basically it's a misguided failure.
Whether that is intentional or not is another point.

It fails to capture the minute details that you would have acquired by being here during the conversation and be engaged in the details of the postings.

In fact I thought Rayn made some really good points about you geript, which made you look bad and Rayn really good.

Especially the point about "for better reasons" and where Rayn says you don't actually go on to reveal these "better reasons".

Maybe I'm just biased, but to me clearly Rayn looked better from that.

I basically am getting deja vu of how btdt played last game, except skynx has more polish in the way he presents things.

Maybe I'm repeating the same mistake I did from last game by calling it bad/uninformed town, but skynx is not my #1 lynch today.

i think rux has gotta be town

Why?

well firstly i don't think scum!rux is attacking skynx's case on someone else because of minute details. that is a very not mafia reason
and since i made that post i caught up fully and i am 100% sure on this


I think this isn't a strong reason to have at the time, at least an explanation on what he would expect mafia to do instead would be appreciated.
Besides the TMI thing he gives off good vibes so not lynching him tomorrow.

Koshi for his minion entry followed up by a very funless unkoshiesque D1. Emc had a semi helpful entrance. Skynx case on rayn looked slightly over the top to me at the time.

I'm kind of slightly caught up on both ends of the game but the middle is lacking atm and most player filters as well, so I'm just going to post un caught up and out of my ass for a while since I really have no connection to this game yet.
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
July 18 2017 20:09 GMT
#2527
On July 19 2017 05:01 Skynx wrote:
SL has done 0 town things so far, stats provided by OptaJoe.


Yeah he's been pretty passive this game, but I can't get a good scum read since I don't think he's done anything particularly scummy either.
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emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
July 18 2017 20:12 GMT
#2528
On July 19 2017 05:05 Vivax wrote:
I'd put the mafia at Koshi, emc, one of Rels or Skynx atm.

TW has really improved his posting shape wise and his reads align with mine more or less (with exception of emc), but I'm afraid of TMI in his case and that he's trying to look shiny. For example I didn't like Ruxxars posting much during D1 and I'm not sure what made him townread him.

His read came down to this:

Show nested quote +
On July 14 2017 14:54 Tumblewood wrote:
On July 14 2017 14:50 geript wrote:
On July 14 2017 14:37 Tumblewood wrote:
On July 14 2017 08:14 ruXxar wrote:
On July 14 2017 07:54 geript wrote:
So Rux... what did you think of my case on Skynx?


1. Skynx case on Rayn is flawed and based on half truths.
Basically it's a misguided failure.
Whether that is intentional or not is another point.

It fails to capture the minute details that you would have acquired by being here during the conversation and be engaged in the details of the postings.

In fact I thought Rayn made some really good points about you geript, which made you look bad and Rayn really good.

Especially the point about "for better reasons" and where Rayn says you don't actually go on to reveal these "better reasons".

Maybe I'm just biased, but to me clearly Rayn looked better from that.

I basically am getting deja vu of how btdt played last game, except skynx has more polish in the way he presents things.

Maybe I'm repeating the same mistake I did from last game by calling it bad/uninformed town, but skynx is not my #1 lynch today.

i think rux has gotta be town

Why?

well firstly i don't think scum!rux is attacking skynx's case on someone else because of minute details. that is a very not mafia reason
and since i made that post i caught up fully and i am 100% sure on this


I think this isn't a strong reason to have at the time, at least an explanation on what he would expect mafia to do instead would be appreciated.
Besides the TMI thing he gives off good vibes so not lynching him tomorrow.

Koshi for his minion entry followed up by a very funless unkoshiesque D1. Emc had a semi helpful entrance. Skynx case on rayn looked slightly over the top to me at the time.

I'm kind of slightly caught up on both ends of the game but the middle is lacking atm and most player filters as well, so I'm just going to post un caught up and out of my ass for a while since I really have no connection to this game yet.


Vivax: why scum read on me, and you think I'm trying to bus koshi since day 1?
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emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
July 18 2017 20:17 GMT
#2529
Vivax: after 100+ pages you're scum reading both koshi and I based on our entry post?
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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 18 2017 20:17 GMT
#2530
lol fuck vivax is probably mafia
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
July 18 2017 20:20 GMT
#2531
On July 19 2017 05:05 Vivax wrote:
I'd put the mafia at Koshi, emc, one of Rels or Skynx atm.

TW has really improved his posting shape wise and his reads align with mine more or less (with exception of emc), but I'm afraid of TMI in his case and that he's trying to look shiny. For example I didn't like Ruxxars posting much during D1 and I'm not sure what made him townread him.

His read came down to this:

Show nested quote +
On July 14 2017 14:54 Tumblewood wrote:
On July 14 2017 14:50 geript wrote:
On July 14 2017 14:37 Tumblewood wrote:
On July 14 2017 08:14 ruXxar wrote:
On July 14 2017 07:54 geript wrote:
So Rux... what did you think of my case on Skynx?


1. Skynx case on Rayn is flawed and based on half truths.
Basically it's a misguided failure.
Whether that is intentional or not is another point.

It fails to capture the minute details that you would have acquired by being here during the conversation and be engaged in the details of the postings.

In fact I thought Rayn made some really good points about you geript, which made you look bad and Rayn really good.

Especially the point about "for better reasons" and where Rayn says you don't actually go on to reveal these "better reasons".

Maybe I'm just biased, but to me clearly Rayn looked better from that.

I basically am getting deja vu of how btdt played last game, except skynx has more polish in the way he presents things.

Maybe I'm repeating the same mistake I did from last game by calling it bad/uninformed town, but skynx is not my #1 lynch today.

i think rux has gotta be town

Why?

well firstly i don't think scum!rux is attacking skynx's case on someone else because of minute details. that is a very not mafia reason
and since i made that post i caught up fully and i am 100% sure on this


I think this isn't a strong reason to have at the time, at least an explanation on what he would expect mafia to do instead would be appreciated.
Besides the TMI thing he gives off good vibes so not lynching him tomorrow.

Koshi for his minion entry followed up by a very funless unkoshiesque D1. Emc had a semi helpful entrance. Skynx case on rayn looked slightly over the top to me at the time.

I'm kind of slightly caught up on both ends of the game but the middle is lacking atm and most player filters as well, so I'm just going to post un caught up and out of my ass for a while since I really have no connection to this game yet.

Can you read more than 20% of the game?
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
July 18 2017 20:21 GMT
#2532
Scum would try harder maybe right?
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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 18 2017 20:21 GMT
#2533
On July 19 2017 02:50 Holyflare wrote:
he never EVER second guessed his BH and grack reads the entirety of the game

can you chat more shit

this is literally in page 1 and 2 of his filter of that newbie game THAT I WAS IN

so you're pushing false mafia agenda because your meta is trash, they look exactly like that VA post and now VA is dead so he doesn't have time to analyse VA again so your points are bs

he could still be mafia but don't act like it's because of this god mafia agenda you're pushing because it's wrong and bad

2/3 better points and that's all you really have on him tbh

How about you go fuck yourself HF? You werte in that game and you don't see he fucking went from Vivax town to Vivax TOP FUCKING TOWN to VIVAX IS MAFIA on D2???? And the kicker is. HE WAS RIGHT FIRST AND WRONG AFTER.
Same with Ritoky who was an "upstanding guy" and then a bit later he was mafia and a bit later he was town again.
And then there was you who he said all this shit about:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 10 2017 08:50 Tumblewood wrote:
if HF is town:
advantages of claiming:
- people wouldn't assume he was RB'd and I was lying about that, which is only relevant if people actually assume that AND i'm blue. keep in mind i wouldn't even have to roleblock HF to be lying about being roleblocked

disadvantages of claiming:
- effectively gives up any chance of shooting someone
- if i'm scum, forces the other blue to claim unnecessarily early, denying a potential cop check
- if i'm blue, allows scum to make a play and potentially lynch both of us

OR

if HF is mafia:
advantages of claiming:
- lynches one, potentially two blues
- forces the other blue to out themselves early

disadvantages of claiming:
- dies earlier than he might have otherwise

pick one


+ Show Spoiler +

On June 10 2017 09:34 Tumblewood wrote:
(everything HF says is in <<arrows>>. this is the best i could do with the formatting)

Show nested quote +
if HF is town:
advantages of claiming:
*crickets*

disadvantages of claiming:
- effectively gives up any chance of shooting someone


<<Never gonna shoot someone if we lose a mislynch>>
still a disadvantage to not have the option but whatever

Show nested quote +
- if i'm scum, forces the other blue to claim unnecessarily early, denying a potential cop check


<<Narrows down lynch list because they have 2 checks and would be one of the players I'm not sure about>>
presumably the cop is able to steer town away from a lynch they know is wrong, if necessary

Show nested quote +
- if i'm blue, allows scum to make a play and potentially lynch both of us


<<Your fault for being crap all game and doing nothing.>>
not a point, all you did was call me bad

Show nested quote +
if HF is mafia:


advantages of claiming:
- lynches one, potentially two blues

<<True dat>>
true dat

Show nested quote +
- forces the other blue to out themselves early

<<True dat.>>
true dat

Show nested quote +
disadvantages of claiming:
- dies earlier than he might have otherwise

<<Main reason why i would never do it. I like to carry 100% of my games.>>
are you telling me you'd never fakeclaim as scum? i haven't read all of your games but i am 90% sure you've done this as scum before


+ Show Spoiler +

On June 10 2017 09:56 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2017 09:00 Holyflare wrote:
I wanted a claim war. And here we are, mission successful.

forcing a claim war to happen earlier than necessary is never advantageous to town, and if someone's lying the claim war is always going to happen eventually
Show nested quote +
I think pb made an excellent point earlier. You've gone full bs suspicion throwing and no game solving.
if i tried to really deliberate back and forth all day instead of figuring out the most likely scum and sticking to it, i would be digging my own grave. so instead i solved the game as well as i could as soon as all the information was out and am now focusing my efforts on killing the 90% scum instead of the 100% doctor.
Show nested quote +
Yoi saved me last night thinking I'm most likely to die but the instant i claimed i was mafia to you. It didn't make sense and it doesn't make sense. Ypu weren't even hesitant towards ritoky's claim despite the fact that there were inconsistencies (that I checked) in his scum reads to who he checked.

I'm pretty sure you're mafia.

i didn't think you were most likely to die last night -- i thought that was bh, who i was originally going to save -- but i fully expected to be roleblocked again, so i saved the person who i thought was most likely to die in circumstances that would lead scum to not roleblock me. that was you. i don't remember anymore why i thought the respect kill would be more likely to be wacky than the towniest-player kill, but that's what i went through.
and then you claim that i instantly scumread you, not hesitating to townread ritoky? this is the first post i made following the claims:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2017 12:08 Tumblewood wrote:
ritoky is the scum 90% of the time i think, looking at the claims. just so much setup on hf's part that it's hard to see him fakeclaiming.
BUT
i'm guessing that in the world where hf is scum the other two must kind of be scrubs to not notice any sort of blue tell (pretty obvious as soon as he was skeptical of my claim and later when he said something about there only being one blue in the game), which then doesn't line up with ritoky being scum because ritoky is a good player. hmmmmmmmmm

not only do you see me scumreading ritoky initially, you might notice that i deliberate instead of attacking anyone. so your claims are provably false.
and i remember seeing a post saying that his scumreads lined up, which reinforced my read. can't find it in thread anymore though. maybe it was his crumbs or grack pointing out where ritoky said he only knew vivax wasn't cop, and i'm misremembering that. didn't even see your post pointing out inconsistencies in his reads though


WARNING: I do not know wtf he is talking about. But it looks like that he is analysing your play to see if it fits mafia or town perspective.

That is 3 fucking people he changes reads on. Ritoky was the least big swap but it still went town ->90%mafia->town. And with decent analysis in which you CAN FOLLOW HIS FUCKING THOUGHTPROCESS.


This game:
On July 14 2017 03:32 Tumblewood wrote:
ok i'm back and i caught up to page 25 before skimming this last page. um new stuff:

if rsoul is scum i doubt she thinks that posting squiggly nothings is not a good way to get town cred, so imma go with town
skynx and damdred have ummmmm good tone
rayn is getting into stupid arguments that i think he knows no one can win. i wanna say he's scum but first lemme make sure i didn't make this same read in that other game where i called him scum d1 and i was wrong

also:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2017 21:28 Holyflare wrote:
This game is making me glaze over from the boring generic arguments you guys are having.
this could be my new sig

↑The weakest mafia read ever on rayn into forever town rayn based on meta↓
On July 14 2017 04:26 Tumblewood wrote:
anyway i got sidetracked and rayn is not mafia. his play is actually not far off from his play in generic 1


And then the Rels read:
On July 17 2017 04:15 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2017 03:54 Koshi wrote:
Can somebody else answer Ruxxar because I don't understand what he asks.

town!TW likes to solve games.
TW is nowhere close to solving this game and bases reads on thread sentiment
---> mafia!TW

fuck that. you wanna know where i am?

town
ruxxar
damdred/geript

town, i'm pretty sure
skynx
hf
vivax

null
sl
ec

mafia
rels
koshi

and no, i don't base reads off of thread sentiment. you're scum because you're a shittier version of yourself from generic 1. and it's not how i get my reads as scum either. i am solving this game, you just don't see how because you insist i solve it some othet way. + Show Spoiler +
jk it's because you need someone to tunnel on

↑Mafia based on what exactly? I am guessing a remnant from the red check or something????
Reading this he has no read on Rels but just adds him to the mafia list up there for what exactly???? ↓
On July 17 2017 03:17 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2017 03:11 Koshi wrote:
TW do you have a scumread?

you. and i thought hf had a redcheck on rels so he was hard scum, but now i don't know what's what with that


And then later on he gives a reason for the scumread:
On July 18 2017 01:45 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2017 01:34 Damdred wrote:
Kochi and tw give me your opinions on

Rels
Rux
And ec

Just humor me. Maybe two sentences

i thought rels was scum for his reaction to the fakeclaim, but he brought up some very insightful points on ec so i think he's town
ruxxar is top town. somewhere on pg 1 of my filter i have a case where i got my early townread on him, and since then he has continued to be very focused on solving the game.
ec is blah except for his inconsistency in who he cases/who he votes. now that i think about it this relies on skynx being scum to make sense though. if skynx is scum ec is 90% scum, but we don't know so more like 60%

But the kicker here is. He townreads Rels now for bringing very insightful posts on EC. But he doesn't fucking scumread EC hard at all. And the scumread is based on preflip association. If Skynx is scum EC is scum....

And Skynx was pretty town in the list above. So I am guessing there should be a reason Skynx is mafia in his filter but I cba to look and I got to call gf.





TLDR: HF can go fuck himself and I will not answer a single fucking question he asks from now on. We lynch TW tomorrow and HF after that because there is no fucking way HF is so waffly about the most fucking obvious mafia ever seen ever in the game of mafia.
I had a good night of sleep.
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
July 18 2017 20:27 GMT
#2534
Whoa. So tumble is scum for you koshi, who else?
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Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
July 18 2017 20:36 GMT
#2535
Wait what, HF is not scumreading TW?
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 18 2017 20:38 GMT
#2536
I am scum reading tw lol. I'm just saying that Koshi's meta is trash
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
July 18 2017 20:40 GMT
#2537
Yeah the meta is pretty weak since I recall ruxxar bringing up the exact opposite argument about a recent tumble scum game based on meta.
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Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
July 18 2017 20:42 GMT
#2538
Then why is Koshi so mad lol? My reading comprehension might be damaged.
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 18 2017 20:42 GMT
#2539
On July 18 2017 09:40 sicklucker wrote:
altho rels with the fishy tmi

I swear everygame I'm gonna be scumread 'cause my reads are too good
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 18 2017 20:44 GMT
#2540
On July 18 2017 17:33 Holyflare wrote:
Rels town reads ruxxar, scum reads ec and tw. Around at deadline and does nothing to save ruxxar or hammer tw. (saw him on battlerite at deadline time too) :p

100% wrong. I voted him last second exactly for that reason. Don't know why but my vote was done at 23:00 instead of 22:59. Turns out my vote didnt matter. But I hammered to lynch tw
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