EPT[N] TL Mafia LXXV
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I dunno 3rd party koshi though | ||
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that's superbad | ||
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so am I scum lol | ||
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yeah same logic as rayn applies on me except that logic is flawed because your vote was interpreted as a scumread on koshi | ||
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On June 14 2017 20:43 Holyflare wrote: No it doesn't because rayn isn't you and you didn't even read whereas rayn did. ok lets make a deal I won't tilt you get off your high horse | ||
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On June 14 2017 20:46 Holyflare wrote: I can't, it's so high I'll get hurt and then we'll lose our biggest asset, me. Please be scum | ||
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blue hunting? | ||
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On June 14 2017 20:55 annul wrote: is it really hunting if someone uses a line like that Why ignore the hf vs. rayn because koshi thing though? | ||
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On June 14 2017 21:03 Koshi wrote: I have not pushed the game further? Is this true? I thought I was doing pretty well. Creating such a nice atmosphere by being criminally hilarious. I shall recap: TW town for calling fefe hilariously suspicious Fefe town for being ok with that and believing it. Disformation town for not jumping on my wagon while thinking my opening was potential mafia. Also serious bait was hilarious, big laughs were had. 3 townreads, I could have more maybe. But I am more prudent with some others. On June 14 2017 20:49 Koshi wrote: Either HF is town and bold because he thinks is right. or he is mafia and super amused that his bullshit is being gobbled up this easily. I am going to run with option 1 because rayn hasn't done anything yet. And potential other mafia hasn't typed enough. 4 townreads. Why do you forget about HF being town so quickly? You just said you're gonna run with that option. | ||
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On June 14 2017 12:55 Tumblewood wrote: is fecalfeast always comically suspicious And you townread Fecal for being okay with the only post Tumble has made | ||
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bad Koshi | ||
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On June 14 2017 21:07 Holyflare wrote: Also, nobody is accusing you of being mafia and not having reads. You just are 3P and don't care about them to the same extent to dive and call someone mafia. Waitwaitwait I'm not locked on Koshi being 3p, I'm not sheeping you I think he can very well be scum | ||
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On June 14 2017 21:08 Koshi wrote: I literally wrote "I am more prudent with others" that clearly was about HF! Well. I am not voting rayn because I love rayn. And other than that I don't know yet. Others is plural. You said clearly that you choose to townread HF for now. Because of his boldness. I mean yes, semantics, but it's really weird to imply HF in "I am more prudent with others" | ||
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On June 14 2017 20:58 beentheredonethat wrote: Why ignore the hf vs. rayn because koshi thing though? hey annul | ||
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On June 14 2017 21:28 Koshi wrote: Let me do this: ##vote btdt - Focused on a very small part of this thread. - Reads seem more opportunistic than real. - Very strong and closed in his language/thoughts. Not carefree and open. I can explain it with many words but I am going to keep it at this for the time being. so I a) comment intensely on koshi/hf/you b) scumread you, not following the 3p thing (alhtough a vote is a vote of course) c) call out annul d) poke xata * and I'm opportunistic? Opportinistic would be to vote rayn * a small part of this thread? the major part of this thread. how am I not carefree? I think I'm super carefree lol | ||
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On June 14 2017 21:30 disformation wrote: well you currently have 0 posts on B? maybe post something about B? =D this | ||
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On June 14 2017 21:35 annul wrote: i think the fact that: A. i am here during this argument and therefore have read all of it; and B. i do not have a vote down on anyone yet is indicative of what i think so far HF has no reason to FOS anyone this early and assigning alignment to him based on that is just WIFOM It's scum indicative IMHO "let them fight, I'll watch" | ||
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On June 14 2017 21:55 Koshi wrote: Damned... There was a host who could make playerlinks that you open on the site in which you are... If you know how, can you pm Onegu with the info. Thx! simply [url=/forum/mafia/523282-tl-mafia-lxxv] blah | ||
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On June 14 2017 18:21 sicklucker wrote: alright boys im hard claiming cop with a red check on eversince. I hate this, really if it's true, good thing if it's not true, wtf is this all about then followed up by quality posts On June 14 2017 18:31 sicklucker wrote: da hell are you newb On June 14 2017 21:36 sicklucker wrote: im only voting him because hes easy to trigger ;p Yes I have just quoted the complete filter of sicklucker | ||
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On June 14 2017 22:19 Koshi wrote: Ok. PM Onegu please. It is really annoying for me to open filters. all credits to cakepie | ||
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On June 14 2017 22:22 beentheredonethat wrote: I hate this, really if it's true, good thing if it's not true, wtf is this all about then followed up by quality posts Yes I have just quoted the complete filter of sicklucker actually i haven't, there's this "piss off people get reads post" | ||
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I townread him currently, too, so does Koshi. w00t w00t | ||
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On June 14 2017 22:28 ruXxar wrote: This makes it real simple. Lynch eversince. If green, lynch sicklucker. Guaranteed 1 scum down. Auto'ing D1 on someone is so super bad You're not serious are you | ||
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last game, ritoky made jokes all the time, posted gifs, wasn't serious. oops he was scum. | ||
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On June 14 2017 18:26 disformation wrote: and why would you claim so early in the day? that kinda ruins the discussion if you make the day auto this early. exactly what I just thought when ruxxar made the "lynch eversince" post. eversince is more like a vig shot target | ||
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On June 14 2017 22:32 Holyflare wrote: The last game isn't over and that player hasn't flipped. Don't talk about ongoing games. Shitfuck, I forgot. In my mind, it's already over. So to make it clear, he claimed scum, has not flipped, and I will right now absolutely shut up about this game because it's ongoing. I'm super sorry | ||
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On June 14 2017 22:36 darthfoley wrote: not commenting on B, when B is the most common thing in the thread, is essentially ignoring B. In order to not achieve levels of irony, I think HF is more likely to be town than rayn atm. Rayn doesn't seem nearly as aggressive or standoff-ish right now. He's basically just defending himself and not really pushing back at HF. Like there's a difference between answering every question you're asked and just saying "fuck you, i'm not answering any more of your shit." I don't sense the passion + Show Spoiler + or rage I've liked a few of the inconsistencies HF has pointed out in rayn's play. Like in a HF vs. Rayn world I'd always lynch HF over rayn simply because of scum capabilities but right now HF is doing everything and having good points and rayn is not here So far I like HF's "lets wagon koshi and rayn" thing. Koshi's defense feels lackluster, like he's not interested at all. which matches his initial approach (where he said "*pats HF on the back of his head*"). And rayn didn't react at all. Both are capable of leading town. Both don't. | ||
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On June 14 2017 22:38 disformation wrote: I WISH I was super confident he's town. =D Not gonna lie: I like playing with HF and it would be cool to have a mindmeld over that koshi thing. But I also mentioned that I feel like a bunch of ppl are buddying in my direction so I am a bit paranoid. I love buddying up to you when I'm scum because you're super easy to buddy. Like "be nice to disfo and he'll either townread you or give you 1000000 chances to justify yourself". You're not confident about your reads. You're super good at establishing yourself as town but you're not so good at scumhunting. While I do suck at both :D | ||
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On June 14 2017 22:40 darthfoley wrote: Let's vote Xata together, right now. You and I. Forever. While I favour the general idea, can you please state your reasons? | ||
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On June 14 2017 22:41 Holyflare wrote: Well I mean rayn was clearly having no time to play but there will be a shit storm coming and I will have no part in it. Just know that I'm town and any non-civil discourse is purely the other party's fault. But what's the whole point in saying "hey, rayn is sloppy" when you admit that he was "clearly having no time to play"? | ||
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#3 to say that (I think, maybe more) darth comes on the town pile. | ||
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On June 14 2017 18:56 Skynx wrote: This is a fair point. Palmar along with FF why is koshi scum and if so why no srs vote? I guess Xata aswell, why is rayn scum bro and why you didn't put your vote in voting thread? I like this but the rest of Skynx filter doesn't let me drawn conclusions. 4 posts in 4 hours, 1 hour 1 post. | ||
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On June 14 2017 22:46 Holyflare wrote: If he's the third person to say it why is he town?? He thinks the same stuff as I do The same stuff as disfo who I townread right now but I do realize that he could just lie and follow thread sentiment :D | ||
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On June 14 2017 22:47 annul wrote: TIL you can only have one person make a claim and one other person agree with the claim before any other people become suspect So passive aggressive but for real, my impression is that darth is catching up and quoting and posting where he deems it appropriate. super gut feeling but I think it's town. not only does he think the same about ruxxar as I do, he also doesn't like Xata apparently and I don't like Xata, too | ||
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On June 14 2017 22:32 ruXxar wrote: It's not the content as much as the tone and structure. Lighthearted tone with not too much polish/concern. I'd give that a slight town read. This feels overanalyzed and super constructed. | ||
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On June 14 2017 22:52 Vivax wrote: I think it was very townie that he pinged Ruxxar cause he couldn't understand how he +1d disfos post, then explained how he perceived it instead. Town indicative, but not "very townie", I think your putting too much weight on this there. Skynx is posting super situational right now and so far, he hasn't followed up on any of his pokes. | ||
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The idea is "darthfoley is coming to the same conclusion as I do before knowing my conclusion". I don't know if he is faking the "I'm catching up post by post" thing but I think he's not. Super gut-feeling. | ||
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On June 14 2017 22:54 darthfoley wrote: We mindmelded at almost the same time about Xata. Simply put, his filter is basically him trying to make friends and say nothing about everything. Buddy post that doesn't accurately depict what Skynx's post was actually about ruXxar. I feel like he also gave Koshi two too many posts about how Koshi caught him with the smiley thing. It just felt as if he gave that off hand comment too much attention (three posts in total). followed by I know it's early but his whole filter has been filler. Hardly any stances taken. The ones he's taken have either been retractable, misconstrued (like the skynx post) or buddy attempts at various "town leader" type people. In my position, I would've said something along the lines of "oh my bad, I misread the point of your post..." but he just rolled with the mistake +1 I like this and it reflects what I'm thinking as well. | ||
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On June 14 2017 23:00 Damdred wrote: Hi friends, I am taking a super simplified approach this game so my posts are not misconstrued. Rayn is possible scum, his posts lacked the real fire and drive I am use to seeing amd his defense of koshi was bad. His responses to hf were also sort of to tame and accommodating to make me see town. Btdt has me scratching my head currently, on one hand I did like the posts that koshi pointed out. But one post that was basically fear mongering about hf scum capabilities over rayn left me feeling a bit empty and concerned about his game state. Ruxxar seems to be commenting on things in a hit and miss style while not really engaging in many back and forth(?). If that makes sense. I'd probably not say scum necessarily but I don't like him. Xata isn't really being inquisitive or post. Also seems to just want to go with the flow, sort of see this coming from scum xata just super boring. FF, disf are both sorta strong town reads though. Hf is sort of a moderate to low. Besides that idk what I'm doing I did not do any fearmongering. + Show Spoiler [post in question] + On June 14 2017 22:39 beentheredonethat wrote: Like in a HF vs. Rayn world I'd always lynch HF over rayn simply because of scum capabilities but right now HF is doing everything and having good points and rayn is not here So far I like HF's "lets wagon koshi and rayn" thing. Koshi's defense feels lackluster, like he's not interested at all. which matches his initial approach (where he said "*pats HF on the back of his head*"). And rayn didn't react at all. Both are capable of leading town. Both don't. On the contrary. I am saying "HF is a good scummer. But so far, he seems super town. The other two guys with the good town reputation though are not living up to it", which is basically what you say about rayn - "sort of to tame and accommodating to make me see town." Why are you agreeing with HF on Rayn but putting him on a "moderate to low" read? Doesn't make sense. The hf vs rayn because of Koshi thing is basically why you scumread rayn. Why not townread the guy who brought it up initially? | ||
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On June 14 2017 23:15 Damdred wrote: @HF I have feelings about koshi. I don't think he is mafia, could potentially be third party, possibly town. In either case I don't have anything super strong to say he is town. I do think if rayn is scum koshi can't be, but I'd rather not be bad and rest on that yet. @btdt, I still think that first sentence is borderline if not fear mongering. Even if you say all the rest that first sentence gives you enough wiggle room to go back on all of the rest. I don't like it. And as for low on hf, he's burned me enough for me to not be in absolutes. Yeah I'm pretty sure nobody else has every said that HF's scumgame is good. Like, you even imply it in the bolded part. So if you insist on me fearmongering here you'll have to admit that you're doing it too, just in a more subtle way. | ||
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On June 14 2017 23:19 Skynx wrote: That one Koshi post on btdt is pretty good, he can be town for now. Just doesn't fit any mafia agenda, just town trying every corner. Which one? | ||
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On June 14 2017 23:23 Skynx wrote: Ruxxar, Xata, sl all null for now, yet to see a nice contribution or anything ti. I like disfo and HF for town right now, they are contributing pretty good. Koshi might be 3p but he is doing pretty good as well, I'm not lyncing him at any rate. Can you not ignore me please | ||
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On June 14 2017 23:26 Skynx wrote: I will ignore you from now on if you call me out 52 seconds after asking a question. You misunderstood me. I meant "can you not ignore me while you're giving reads on several persons" because I expected me being in that read list, too | ||
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On June 14 2017 23:29 Damdred wrote: I think yours is easier to go back on. And subtlety is the spice od life baby. But really I might of missed some of the context of your post trying to catch up. Overall I agree with most of your posts. So let me summarize 1. you point out how I am fearmongering with regards to holyflare 2. you insist that I do it 3. you do it yourself And then you back off of me, saying you "might have missed some of the context" of my post. Damdred comes on the scum pile for now. So Koshi, xata, Damdred. | ||
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On June 14 2017 23:43 Koshi wrote: Town TW town for calling fefe hilariously suspicious. Fefe town for being ok with that and believing it. Disformation town for not jumping on my wagon while thinking my opening was potential mafia. Also serious bait was hilarious, big laughs were had. Beentheredonethat is more likely overeager “wrong” town than active pushing a wrong agenda mafia. And his aggressiveness continues over multiple pages, he is now quite confirmed town. Damdred is town because his list post is very close to what I could think. Just like his read on me it comes from town and not mafia. Darthfoley town because pushed the game forward with his Xatalos/Ruxxar posts. And overall is playing really well. Overall playing style he can do it as mafia but I don’t think he is doing it here as mafia. Town with minus points. Skynx started out a bit out of place. But picked it up very well. Sassy answer on btdt and loads of action. Vivax made a pretty good read on Annul. But I don’t like his playstyle atm Null Holyflare his vote on me is incorrect. I don’t like how his gameplan feels set up. Not agreeing with TW and FF. Your reasoning for townreading both is still super shitty. Disformation not jumping on you isn't town indicative. I am not wrong and I would prefer if you take my stuff seriously instead of dismissing it. Also I am not confirmed town and I encourage everyone to read what I write and develop own thoughts. I agree on darthfoley. | ||
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I skimmed everything besides the last two pages. Koshi looks better, Xata worse. Ruxxar weird. My mind screamed TOWN when I read rayns big post but I didn't like that he disappeared right after. Hf still town. Disfo not town anymore because rayn made me paranoid. Thats kind of where im at. | ||
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I agree with Koshi and darthfoley here | ||
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On June 16 2017 01:58 ruXxar wrote: It's my first game in 2 years, cut me some slack. Is it? didn't disfo quote some games that weren't too long ago? | ||
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On June 15 2017 04:08 Koshi wrote: I am obvious town and you can't fucking read me HF. How shit are you then? Just because I didn't open like I used to and now you are fucking reading everything as biased as fuck in some wicked way to proof you can read somebody after 1 sentence while you are so fucking blind it is really hilarious tbh. This is the thing why I don't buy Koshi's "rage" by the way. Like, when you start a big sentence, people will remember the first and the last thing you said and not the whole rest. The structure used here is "I am obvious town", then blabla reasons "just because", followed up by "you're so fucking blind it's hilarious". Koshi shouldn't put emphasis on WHAT he is. He will always claim town, as anyone would, regardless of actual alignment. But instead, he yells "I AM TOWN", puts the reasoning (which is the IMPORTANT part) right between two seemingly emotional statements I have caught Koshi already as scum D1 and I'm fairly confident here. When I skimmed this morning he looked better but I just skimmed. so, yeah. my vote is good where it's at. | ||
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On June 15 2017 04:10 Koshi wrote: Anyway. Enough rage. You won't see more of that. Please somebody call it fake rage. I am going to post less because this is not really fun for me and when a lot of people are tunneled there is not much I can do. I'll continue to solve the game but might just do a couple posts from time to time. But maybe not that much. I have enough pages of filter to let you analyse. I was truthful in every post and tried to solve the game. Problem is that trying was greeted by dumb accusation way too many times instead of some help. He claimed to post less, then went on to post actually more than he did before (3.5 pages of filter). Which is town indicative in a weird way? | ||
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On June 15 2017 05:14 Koshi wrote: Anyway. I also don't see why Ruxxar is mafia. More likely lynchbait. It's not because somebody types things you think are weird/disagree with that he is mafia. You have to look at motive and the intention to solve the game within a person his capabilities. He wants to lynch you though. So is he lynchbait or is he scum being fine with the Koshi wagon? | ||
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bad thing #2: annul being lynched over xata good thing: xata being 2nd wagon I think a scum!xata will give us lots of indication and I highly suggest xata to be shot at night. | ||
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I don't remember anything particular from any of them anyways | ||
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On June 16 2017 11:22 ruXxar wrote: After some reflection, I have 2 locked scum reads. Vivax. Holyflare. These two are 100% mafia and working together. Reading their filters from the last day and looking at their vote pattern made it obvious. Especially the way they ganged up on SL and lashed out on other people, while backing up each other's comments throughout. HF's D1 was like "hey Koshi you're 3p" "hey Rayn you're scum" into "hahaha lul" snarkiness and bitching about how people should read him? I'm retracting my town read. But I also find it super fishy that ruxxar, who was under suspicion D1 and who doesn't have the most impressive filter of all is all about Vivax and HF being "100% mafia", especially since HF is like super active after all and might very well be town imho. | ||
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On June 16 2017 15:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why it is a good thing Xatalos was 2nd wagon? Alot depends on his alignment votewise. But if you think he is scum isnt it a BAD thing he was a second wagon and not 1st???? I cancelled some plans today so i can focus better on catching up after work. I insta-fell asleep yesterday when i got home.  This is why the first bad thing was that annul was lynched over Xata. I think Koshi worked his way up slowly but he didn't make it out of scum range. Nevertheless he wasn't second wagon. Xata was a good second wagon. Because Xata is also among my scumreads. I brought up some points early and I think darthfoley cased him, too, and I agreed with him. So yes, Xata is a good second wagon. | ||
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On June 16 2017 07:58 Eversince wrote: I asked for rough's of what everyone has done and HF is the only person to actually do it. But it's to late for a SL switch so I'm just consolidating. to be super fair I also didn't read a thread, then voted on one of the ongoing wagons pretty randomly in previous games (and I'll probably do that in the future, too lol). But the "too late for a SL switch" is the weird part here. Why would you say "haven't read, consolidating on a wagon" and at the same time talk about another lynch you prefer? Doesn't make sense | ||
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oh you pointed it out already | ||
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On June 16 2017 16:23 Koshi wrote: lol Come on rayn. If he is mafia, and mafia had to show face, of course it is a good thing. Town can't win vs 5 mafia showing face to save a teammate on D1. Not when so many are afk and blind. If Xatalos is town, sure, this is way worse but still pretty awesome :D I hope somebody shoots him. Why are you continuesly super sure it's 5 mafia, not 4 or 6? I think it's perfectly possible to have that range | ||
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On June 16 2017 16:25 Koshi wrote: Also I find it hilarious that after the fact annul got lynched and that info is known. btdt (and rayn) are bitching about "why is not the other guy lynched" and both wasted their vote :DDDDDDDD On June 16 2017 16:25 Koshi wrote: That is fucking hilarious. btdt. What a fucking joker. Are you serious You spent D1 doing jack shit, then as soon as I am not in the thread you talk people off yourself, then go on to laugh at me for saying "oh wait, the town lynch was bad"? You're contributing exactly nothing, your reads are shit and you're not even pushing for them but you're a bystander laughing at people you're so going to be lynched D2 | ||
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On June 16 2017 16:29 Koshi wrote: btdt is mafia most likely. I think that makes room for Grack to be town. Can you provide actual reasons or are you going to continue flinging shit on people that are actually productive? | ||
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On June 16 2017 16:36 Koshi wrote: Please friend. Mafia never works together like that with no agenda. I think both also still have a better chance to be town over mafia. But remember this: "if at any point of the game Vivax stops playing like he did here, his mafia chances skyrocket" The mafia this game are not active players or players that draw attention to them. I have known and said this for a while now. Look at people like Xatalos, eversince, btdt, grack, marv his replacement. Do not look at people like HF, Vivax, disformation, sicklucker Why am I in this list then? Right, because you want to throw shit on people that are active town. | ||
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On June 16 2017 18:41 Holyflare wrote: Koshi is 3P, I'm telling you. He makes reads but he doesn't care about pushing them properly or defending townies. He's just commenting with no vigour in the background and simultaneously the foreground. I think this perfectly meets his scum meta. | ||
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On June 16 2017 17:32 disformation wrote: fooooouuuuuuunnnnnnd it: added some bold. good finding. Feels super forced. | ||
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On June 16 2017 17:59 Koshi wrote: btdt has a good shot. He is quite angry. I think the mafia team is falling apart. I think you're trying to tilt me as I did in the newbie game but I won't | ||
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On June 16 2017 18:44 Holyflare wrote: Just shoot him then.  I totally would if I could. I have no KP, though. I super hope we have town KP and someone can shoot into Xata/Koshi. A Xata shot is way more valuable than a Koshi shot but a Koshi shot would make me feel better on a personal level. I'm super annoyed by this playstyle. | ||
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On June 16 2017 18:51 Holyflare wrote: What do you think of tw this game in comparison btdt? Lemme look Comparison to Generic II? | ||
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On June 16 2017 18:50 Koshi wrote: hahahaha sure buddy. keep it up and people might believe you are genuine. Put some work in and read the newbie game and gtfo | ||
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On June 16 2017 00:02 Tumblewood wrote: i won't claim to have actually considered every player, but i'm thinking: rels, grack, vivax, annul, disfo, koshi, ruxxar, btdt (in no particular order) are probably town and definitely should not be lynched d1 preferably we lynch rayn or one of the afks this is like his only scumread. He doesn't talk about other people, the only thing he sticks with is where Koshi calls him out for a setup-related slip. In Generic II, scum!Tumblewood commented on 10000 players D1 without actually committing: fuba, lightningstrike, grack, hf, Palmar, Vivax, prison break. He scumread 3 people D1. Completely different D1 to this D1. Only thing they have in common is a lackluster read post: On June 16 2017 00:02 Tumblewood wrote: i won't claim to have actually considered every player, but i'm thinking: rels, grack, vivax, annul, disfo, koshi, ruxxar, btdt (in no particular order) are probably town and definitely should not be lynched d1 preferably we lynch rayn or one of the afks On May 11 2017 08:44 Tumblewood wrote: okay, I might as well get all my reads out at once: grack is my rock for now. and ls, but I always read him town. (don't get confused, he still is town. I'm always right.) for now I'm gonna just ignore Palmar and Hf, because Palmar is obstinate and not crusading yet Hf is kinda just yelling and picking fights. plus one of them or rayn will probably die n1 Damdred is a little good in my book prison break seems like most players I see from other sites. he seems to at least believe what he's saying skynx has disappointed me so far. he reminds me of myself which is usually a bad sign fuba had one post I thought sucked but other than that I've been ignoring him rayn is town I think? I like rayn, he's doin good stuff anyone else I just forgot was playing However the Generic (scum) post is way better explained, not so carefree. I think this game's TW can very well be scum. His filter is lackluster and super disinterested, given that we just lynched a townie, it can very well be scum being happy with town being on two town-wagons. Hint: shooting Xata would clear that theory up, instantly :x | ||
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On June 16 2017 19:05 Koshi wrote: Good good. There is a small chance people will believe you. Don't try to convince me though. That wont work anymore. I like how you throw shit on me without hesitation. On June 16 2017 16:21 Koshi wrote: You are really an incredible player. :D Now I don't think both Vivax and HF are mafia like Ruxx is claiming. But one might be. But maybe not. While you drop knowledge bombs like this one. | ||
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On June 16 2017 19:21 Koshi wrote: Hey hey. I am calling you mafia. If I had any believe you could be town I would be calling you trash and then you could argue I throw shit on you without hesitation. Calling me mafia is quite a good start; can you now start stating actual reasons and try to convince people that I am scum? I mean you can also continue to just fling shit on random people and say how super good you are | ||
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On June 16 2017 19:26 Koshi wrote: But yeah those people are potentially all town. Another quality statement. | ||
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Let me ask a host if it's okay to do that since Newbie is ongoing. | ||
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On June 16 2017 19:54 Koshi wrote: annoy btdt. The guy is 100% mafia. what the fuck is wrong with you | ||
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1. his current play is super different from Generic II where he was scum 2. his current play can very well be scum nevertheless Like right now, I don't have solid reasons to scum or townread him. There's just nothing to work with. Worth a D2 wagon if that gets him to participate. | ||
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On June 16 2017 20:25 Vivax wrote: And Eversince, and ruxxar, and DF? Do you think this game is all about figuring out TW and TW only? And why isn't darthfoley blaming you for wasting your vote after you posted this? What's your read on darthfoley? What's your read on ruxxar? darthfoley is town, we super agree(d?) on xata. Read my filter before you ask me shit. I liked Koshi's "ruxxar is probably lynchbait" post but since Koshi is acting like a fucking asshole I don't want to acknowledge that point Ruxxar has weird opinions and if he is scum, he's super weird. Doesn't give flying fucks about being pressured and I'd rate that as townish. "Do you think this game is all about figuring out TW and TW only?" What the fuck how do you even come to that conclusion? Have you actually read more of me than just my last 3 posts? Like why are you ignoring what I said about xata, about Koshi, about df? I didn't look into Eversince and while I have realized HF has cased her, I didn't look into that case so how the fuck am I supposed to drop a read here And how should I know why darfthfoley is not blaming me for some obscure shit you want him to blame me for? and why the fuck did I townread Vivax that's like the real question here | ||
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Koshi: "BTDT IS SCUM IS SCUM IS SCUM IS SCUM" Dumb Vivax: "Oh Btdt is scum" there you go I'm outta here bye | ||
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no cc ##vote disformation Or, vote ruxxar, the guy who believes the cop claim, then goes on to lynch someone else over the red-check. | ||
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And if not, we lynch Xata. If the cop cc's, he's probably dead. Cop shouldn't cc here. But I always prefer lynching the check over the claim. "If disfo is scum we can always lynch him later." No? This is so wrong. | ||
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On June 18 2017 07:03 VayneAuthority wrote: the correct play here is to lynch xatalos especially after that cop claim I just come from a game where a cop claim happened and people lynched into the cop (who was VT but that's kinda missing the point) how is the correct play in claim situation to lynch the unclaimed guy | ||
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On June 18 2017 07:02 ruXxar wrote: It's not wrong. if disfo is lock scum, we can just leave him for last while we take out the others. You're leaving scum alive who potentially is a scum power role AND who can vote AND who can derail the thread? cool bra | ||
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On June 16 2017 20:26 Palmar wrote: I'm just playing single player mafia mostly. Occasionally clicking filters, ignoring the thread, throwing out some opinions. Life is good. I'll try to maybe make my statement posts a bit more detailed when I cba. 3p (this was my best Holyflare impression) | ||
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On June 18 2017 07:05 Chezitwo wrote: The correct play is to evaluate who the scummier one is instead of blindly lynching the check. 1. Mafia is a guessing game. 2. Mislynches happen super often 3. The moment a claim happens, it's the last way for the lynchee to avert his lynch So a) lynch cop b) lynch check, most likely lose a vt, real cop survives not sure how "lynch cop" is the better option here | ||
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On June 18 2017 07:09 Chezitwo wrote: Where is the difference between losing a VT and an outed cop? An outed cop can be protected at night, is a confirmed town and an enforced mafia target. A vt is a vt. | ||
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On June 18 2017 07:11 Chezitwo wrote: This anecdotal evidence is not very convincing. One day I'll understand why "lynch the cop" is better than "lynch the red-check" one day | ||
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On June 18 2017 07:19 Chezitwo wrote: It isn't. But you need to consider the circumstances and this claim is incredibly fishy. Why would mafia claim when there are like 5 votes on him? now it's more due to the claim and apparently everybody's fine with it. if everybody's fine with something, it's probably scum. | ||
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On June 18 2017 07:22 Chezitwo wrote: Seriously? Maybe because if we do what you say we lynch a townie, mafia survives a day and in the best case the real cop gets outed on top of it. Seems like a very good trade off compared to just going down without all of that. In cases like this there is often an uncontested wagon on mafia. Why do I have to explain basics like this... Wait. "If we do what you say we lynch a townie." - TMI. "Mafia survives a day." And how is it the best case if the real cop gets outed for town? This sentence only makes sense from mafia perspective. | ||
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On June 18 2017 07:26 Chezitwo wrote: Jesus christ... You ask "why would mafia claim" and I show you why mafia would claim. And then you act all confused. Why am I even bothering with this? That's a lie. You're not answering my "Why would mafia claim when there are like 5 votes on him?" question. You are clearly saying "if we do what you say". | ||
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On June 18 2017 07:30 darthfoley wrote: So now you're voting outside of the cop/red check that you just told us to lynch Yeah but I found scum :> | ||
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On June 18 2017 07:30 disformation wrote: there is a thing called claim analysis. where you look at the situation leading up to the claim. the type of the claim. if the claim is believable. is the claiming person scummy. would he gain something as scum from claiming etc etc. so look at his filter. look what he did today. look at what the situation d1 was. use your head. that game is still ongoing stop talking about it. game still ongoing... it depends on the situation? there is no surefire always do x. you look at the stituation. you look at the claiming person. you decide if you believe the claim or not. scum can make up anything they want. do you blindly want to believe or look at the evidence and decide what is true? so you're red-checked and discrediting what I say. Not sure what else I should expect here. | ||
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On June 18 2017 07:33 Eversince wrote: You already had scum between Disfo/Xata and Chez's phrasing for "Mafia might very well have a RB" is a garbage reason to say you found scum and vote outside of it. I am not using Chez's phrasing. You should actually try to read why I scumread Chez here. | ||
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On June 18 2017 07:29 Eversince wrote: Obviously believes that the risk of being mis-lynched/shot N1 was worth it for the complete 'chance' to hit the lottery with Disfo mafia result. Ok, let's see what he does with it. -- The next post, "possibilty if Disfo's not scum though"? "If Disfo flips scum" Again with this trying to distance from the fact that Disfo might actually not be scum. Second bit is even more damning. If you are a un-cced cop why the hell would you use previous arguement "i didn't want scum to shoot me N1" if you are just going to make let the town waste the mis-lynch on you (Who you should be screaming yourself confirmed town) STILL? "Oh, I didn't want mafia to shoot me, but if town mis-lynches me as long as they still lynch my check tomorrow it's ok." Like wtf? Instead we get 1 dead cop at lynch. Then we get two dead townies in N2. Instead of one dead scum at lynch. More like 1:19 odds. So less than 5%. "I'm CONTENT"?? Why the hell are you not yelling from the mountain tops that this dude is scum yet? Why do you ignore the fact that you claim a vig would be better off shooting into the in-actives to hopefully hit mafia blind. But you just "had a hunch because Disfo voted you" so you didn't check one of the '?' marks yourself with your check. Harder to call in-actives mafia than someone half the thread has at somepoint thought about the possibilty of him being scum? Nah, let's ignore that though. You didn't mind if you died first? Would that have been the same if you missed mafia here? You would still be #1 lynch today. Followed with this: So you know there is a possibilty of you dying N1, You are 100% dead N2. Better check the active guy we could figure out by lylo instead of the players you just said would need checking. Yep, that makes perfect sense. Disfo still not actually mafia in this guys head. Again we get a dead cop, mafia get to shoot whoever instead of us getting to aim there shot. But no that's better than lynching mafia today forcing some of their kp onto you tonight. Screw it if there is a doctor somewhere you might actually even live! But "it's ok, town totally lynch me first" is the scummiest thing I've read in a while. This guy doesn't even believe his own claim. Disfo's not mafia, and this crap claim is just trying to de-rail the arguement and push one more mis-lynch before he dies This is much is plainly obvious. ##vote: Xatalos That's a good post. I like that post. Way better than everything else that happened thus far. | ||
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On June 18 2017 07:33 Chezitwo wrote: I seriously hope so. I have a limited tolerance for stupidity and he is currently really pushing the limit in this regard. I love how fast you go to ad hom stuff once called out for a slip | ||
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On June 18 2017 07:35 disformation wrote: i am not discrediting you. i am telling you to use your head and look at xata and decide if you believe him to be cop. I don't believe for a second that he's cop but I'm not lynching a claim over a red check. There's always the possibility that it's just bad town. | ||
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On June 18 2017 07:37 disformation wrote: read his filter ignoring the check. do you think he is town or scum? I said D1 he's fishy. I came to the thread voting him. Only when I realized he claimed I unvoted. Because you don't lynch into a blue claim. | ||
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On June 18 2017 07:38 Chezitwo wrote: Ok, makes sense. Forgive me for calling you stupid. This is genius. More ad hom, gogo | ||
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On June 18 2017 07:39 disformation wrote: if you think i am scum and he town. fine. if you really think that. if you dont believe his cop claim and dont think i am scum or he is town (or both) you are either mafia siding or mafia you make it sound like lynching a un-cc'ed cop is a town trait, it's amazing. | ||
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On June 18 2017 07:40 Eversince wrote: If you don't believe the claim how can you believe the red check? That's entirely like "I know your lying. But I believe you" No. It's like "I think you're lying, but as long as there's a chance you're not, I'm not lynching you over the red-check you claimed". | ||
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of course I prefer the potential VT loss over the potential COP loss thefuck is wrong with you people | ||
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I'll just leave you alone here because I just love how you're circlejerking over "let's lynch blue" | ||
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On June 18 2017 07:44 Chezitwo wrote: Then fakeclaiming scum can never lose against you. I will make sure to remember this should I ever roll mafia against you. I'm pretty sure that oversimplifying my words will make you right. situation: xata no pressure claims red check OHHHH EVERY LYNCH XATA ah who am I to care about this. | ||
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On June 18 2017 07:45 Chezitwo wrote: I already showed you why there is no difference between the potential VT loss and the potential COP loss. Except you didn't show it. You asked me a question. | ||
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On June 18 2017 07:46 Eversince wrote: Ok, and there is still 24 hrs he could of just played the game instead of claiming cop. He didn't even try to even do anything. "I dun wanna try even though I'm cop just kill me today ok guys?" Jesus the dude is so mafia. Who the hell roles cop and just rolls over at the start of the day? Fight your damn red check. Oops but wait, he can't. His red check is fake, his target isn't mafia and he knows it. Better hope the town will lynch him first if I play the matyr. Cept he's not even martyr. It's actively just throwing away a town power role for no better reason than to give mafia extra. If that isn't a scum driven agenda I don't know what is. That's what people mean when they say "bad town". ah this is so super annoying go ahead lynch xata and once he flipped town, lynch me for TMI reasons or whatever :D | ||
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On June 18 2017 07:47 Chezitwo wrote: Ok, at this point I will have to assume you are just trolling. Holy shit. Keep flinging shit Keep being ad hom <3 | ||
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On June 18 2017 07:49 disformation wrote: go ahead lynch me. but promise to send me a picture of your face when i flip green. I love how this implies that I'm town not knowing your alignment super lovely tmi | ||
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On June 18 2017 07:50 Chezitwo wrote: Bye bye! Make sure to return before mafia shoot you for your mad detective skillz! Is that a thread for the next night? Noted! | ||
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On June 18 2017 07:50 darthfoley wrote: This is potentially the scummiest thing said today. I've already been over this: if Xata is scum, disformation is basically confirmed town through vote analysis. If we lynch disformation and Xata is mafia, we basically kill someone who was gonna be confirmed town. Grow some gonads. If you don't believe him "for a second", fucking lynch him. Why the hell would the real cop CC the obvious lynch who's most likely scum even before this claim shenanigan? Only a shit cop would cc today. If Xata is a fakeclaim, the real cop should not cc. For the chance of the claim being genuine, I'm happy to give mafia a potential VT, instead of giving mafia the doc as a guaranteed trade by lynching into the claim and not the check. But I've said this in various formats 500 times now. | ||
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On June 18 2017 07:52 darthfoley wrote: Every time I play a game with btdt he always goes full emo mode where he gets his feelings hurt and the just flames people for days. Then apologizes and gets town read for it. Let's wait for that apology in three days Except this time, I'm not even mad. I found two scummers. And I get flamed, I'm not the one flaming here. | ||
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On June 18 2017 07:54 darthfoley wrote: I mean I can't believe he wants us to lynch the cop tomorrow and not today + Show Spoiler + fuck omg tmi slip rip sorry mafia qt This is a quality post that leverages the discussion to a whole new level. Very contributive. <3 | ||
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On June 18 2017 07:54 darthfoley wrote: Well I'll gladly trade one cop for two mafia. If Xata flips cop you have done your job and found another mafia!! That's actually true. But you're mistaken in one regard: the check was great then. It's mainly the chez flip. | ||
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On June 18 2017 07:56 darthfoley wrote: So you don't believe Xatalos's claim for a second but you also believ disformation is mafia. Damn, looks like you got THREE mafia in one fell swoop! So. "I don't believe Xatalos' claim but there's the chance he's the real cop" Then, slip happens "whoops, slip, disfo scum" You can be all ironic you want but there's no way Xata is flipping something that is not cop today. And I'll happily be providing the broomstick to all the townies who were wrong. I will then happily take the TMI lynch because that's the level of retardedness this town is at. Full stop. | ||
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On June 18 2017 07:56 darthfoley wrote: I've done more this game than you and 8 other people combined. Very contributive indeed <3 Yeah, currently you're working on getting the cop lynched, that's very good! | ||
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On June 18 2017 07:57 darthfoley wrote: Guys BTDT has found three mafia in 30 minutes. All hail btdt! So you know how I react when I get tilted and keep working on tilting me good job | ||
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I have not read a lot of this game. Thus I stick to claims. darthfoley's narrative is super fake and I am highly worried about him being scum. Here's why: 1. I was not in thread when Xata vs. Annul happened. I left the thread and I only came back after the flip. I hadn't read shit and I would've joined the Xata train if I had been in thread. You're completely dismissing the fact that I simply wasn't there. There was no possibility for me to vote Xata. 2. During N1, I repeatedly said that Xata should be the shot. 3. When I came back to the thread (and admittedly didn't read shit) I was super content with Xata being the lynch. I joined his wagon rather early. 4. Yep, I defended scum claiming cop. Why the fuck would I go out of my scum way to defend my scum teammate who at the point where I'm trying it is already the lynch? It's absolutely pointless, it's dumb, and it doesn't even fit my scum meta. The last game where I was scum was won because I bussed my teammate super hardcore, starting D1. Why would I ever stop blaming Xata here? | ||
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On June 19 2017 17:12 disformation wrote: also @btdt: can you link the game where you found scum koshi d1? something between generic I and generic II I think, I'm too lazy to dig. basically, I nailed Koshi D1 but didn't get him lynched, then I was mislynched (by Koshi?) and he flipped scum lateron. I was super mad I didn't have the confidence to go through with it | ||
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On June 19 2017 17:08 disformation wrote: i agree that btdt's read progression on koshi later d1 is really strange. dont understand how he goes from: to: to: to: to: the tunnel post is ultra strange to me... over xata. who he also scumread quite heavily, but ignored pretty hard during that time. did he ever comment on xata's big reads post? wish he would have been there at deadline. would have been interesting to see where his vote ended up. i feel like btdt's rage d2 was slightly more town, but he is very volatile as either alignment. Xata baby sealing it up can also be either a way to discredit btdt or protect him. so d2 is a bit wifomy for btdt and i kinda want to treat it as nai. @btdt can you explain that progression a bit more? I had Koshi as scum. Then I came back to the thread, caught somewhat up (besides two pages), and my impression was that Koshi wasn't as scummy as I thought. So I dropped what went through my mind at that point. I then proceeded to rather randomly check people but ended up reading Koshi's filter once more (thus the tunneling comment, I found it funny because my intention was to not focus on Koshi), quoting posts I found interesting/scummy. Finally, I came to the conclusion that "no, Koshi actually didn't improve, he's still scum". I was super surprised he was killed tbh because I wanted to push him D2 all day long with Xata being the vig shot one can dream | ||
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On June 19 2017 18:02 disformation wrote: fair point. but that means it is either me or skynx. and sorry to disappoint you: i am very much town. ;D It's super possible that the fake check was a bus. Either you get town cred or he lynches you and gets universally read as cop. | ||
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so there must be scum on the annul wagon, yep. and probably one or more scum on xata wagon, being in the qt like "meh, I'll just stay on Xata to gain bus cred" fair distribution IMHO | ||
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On June 19 2017 18:17 disformation wrote: one or more? since everyone but skynx and me on that wagon already flipped that would be quite hard. and while i appreciate some paranoia, i am not sure how you are going to read me as scum outside of tinfoil.^^ I think it's possible for darth, skynx and you to be scum Skynx and darth over you though. | ||
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On June 19 2017 19:00 darthfoley wrote: Let me get some of what you're smoking please. There's like a 0.1% chance I'm mafia yet you say the person scum!Xata "red checked" is more town than the person/main reason Xata died in the first place I'm interested in the math behind this Trump-like "0.1% chance I'm mafia" statement. It's plain bullshit. You pushed a scummer and went through it, congrats, I did the same, except I afk'ed D1 and ended up voting Koshi instead of Xata. Yet you scumread me and claim to be 99.9% town? | ||
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On June 19 2017 19:01 darthfoley wrote: Your reads baffle me All of a sudden they do while D1, you re-posted what I said on Xata. You're perfectly capable of being scum here. | ||
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On June 19 2017 20:20 darthfoley wrote: Lol, stop equating my pushing with yours. I actually voted for the scum while you wasted yours on confirmed town for bullshit reasons of one sentence in one post lol. My vote on or off Xata was super irrelevant D2. I could've voted Hillary, Trump, Xata or he-who-must-not-be-named. No difference at all. And how is Chezitwo confirmed town? And of course you're right, I cannot equate your push with mine. After all, my push was earlier than yours and you picked up what I said, then you proceeded to get scum lynched. Good stuff but that doesn't make me scum; nor does it confirm you as town. Of course it puts you super high on the town list but given the ease with which Xata went down (no fight, auto, no scum even bothering to put someone else on the table in spite of the Ruxxar bait) I'm not clearing anyone who pushed him yet. | ||
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On June 19 2017 21:23 beentheredonethat wrote: (are you talking D1? Yep, then I wasted my vote. Nevertheless I'm stressing that I would've voted Xata over Annul. Annul appeared meh to me and not particularly townie but in a world where I have to decide between them of course I'd go with Xata) I wish I had been there to hammer Xata into oblivion -.- I'd be confirmed as fuck now I only understood you correctly after I posted | ||
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On June 20 2017 16:50 disformation wrote: @lazyhand: in the nsm game that ended yesterday you had a fairly big filter, that was pretty town. this game i feel like you stopped playing at a certain point and just started trolling. also from the nsm: this game: !!!!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
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On June 20 2017 17:02 disformation wrote: geez. i wonder which scummer woudlnt shoot me. =p And what's your exact point | ||
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On June 20 2017 18:01 disformation wrote: scum!btdt also ml'ed a town!koshi in another game d1. So? | ||
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On June 20 2017 17:57 disformation wrote: my gut and hf's filter give me a bad feeling when it comes to sl On June 20 2017 17:59 disformation wrote: though sl also had the good point that scum would not have been unlikely to try and ml koshi d1. Koshi (1): which leaves btdt and ruxxar on that train... hmm... | ||
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Yes, he's all over the place, activity wise. But what happened so far? Scum killed activity. They killed HF, they killed Koshi, now they killed darthfoley. The Vivax kill doesn't match the pattern so either he was onto something OR they simply couldn't kill disformation because he's part of the team. Vivax townread me and was super eager to kill Grack - but there's not really something about disfo in his filter, boom my theory falls apart lol | ||
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On June 20 2017 18:30 disformation wrote: read my filter and give me one good reason why i am scum hey bra read On June 20 2017 18:28 beentheredonethat wrote: I am pretty sure disformation is scum. Yes, he's all over the place, activity wise. But what happened so far? Scum killed activity. They killed HF, they killed Koshi, now they killed darthfoley. The Vivax kill doesn't match the pattern so either he was onto something OR they simply couldn't kill disformation because he's part of the team. Vivax townread me and was super eager to kill Grack - but there's not really something about disfo in his filter, boom my theory falls apart lol | ||
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On June 20 2017 18:30 Chezitwo wrote: They killed activity, yes. But they also killed widely townread people with threadpull and Vivax certainly fits that description. Vivax had threadpull? His filter says otherwise | ||
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On June 20 2017 18:29 disformation wrote: ##vote: btdt This is actually super weird. Weren't you locked on Grack? | ||
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Yes, it does. | ||
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Which of the 22 pages of oneliners with mostly context conversation should I read first? you're full HF style, your filter is almost unusable without game context | ||
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On June 20 2017 18:34 disformation wrote: wtf are you doing? so are you pretty sure i am scum or not? I am writing out what I think. I let you take part of my decision making process. Here's some easy language for you: 1. Thesis: disformation is scum. 2. Reasoning: Vivax kill, overall kill pattern 3. Assumption #1: Vivax kill doesn't fit the "let's kill active" line. Disfo is top notch active and should be dead. 4. Assumption #2: Vivax scumread disfo While assumption #1 is still a possibility, assumption #2 cannot be proven. Even if Vivax had scumread you, he didn't have enough weight to direct a wagon onto you (Chez disagrees of course) Or, as I said it "boom my theory falls apart lol" "wtf are you doing" is kind of your filter in a nutshell, oneliners that do not enrich anything. | ||
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On June 20 2017 18:37 disformation wrote: what was the purpose of your post when you yourself gave answers to your question? you know besides throwing shade at me are you dumb? You quoted a post of mine where I say several things that are not connected to each other. You put them in context of the initially quoted post. Then, you decline to explain shit? Who's throwing shade here? | ||
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On June 20 2017 18:01 disformation wrote: scum!btdt also ml'ed a town!koshi in another game d1. throwing shade a definition by disformation then, blame btdt for throwing shade "Hey, btdt, you mislynched Koshi D1 in a game where everythign was different from this game but I'll still bring it up because you already look scummy and it fits the narrative of scum!btdt. Also, you're throwing shade at me, you beggar!" | ||
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On June 20 2017 18:40 disformation wrote: says the guy who is refusing to read my filter. I am not refusing to read it I am saying it's garbage. Super hard to read. And it doesn't fit your shitty "I AM ALL OVER THE PLACE TOWNFORMATION" narrative because it's cluttered, full of oneliners and to really read it, I'd have to go back and read probably 100 pages in total. | ||
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On June 20 2017 18:42 disformation wrote: okay. i agree this one was weak af and very annecdotal. or however you spell that. Ok so you quote a post where I say "hey, buddying up with disfo is super easy", then you STILL decline to explain context or intention or conclusion of that quote, you then proceed to say "hey ok that's weak", throw some tears in with "I'M NEVER GONNA PLAY WITH YOU AGAIN" all the while voting me over Grack? | ||
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On June 20 2017 18:43 disformation wrote: okay, you are 100% scum trying to piss me off. i am not unvoting you ever. Wow. I am not trying to piss you off. You are pissing me off. You demand a town read from me WHILE you say "hey, btdt, you're scum". You say "hey, voting btdt", then say "ahhh I'll end up on Grack anyways" WHAT THE FUCK is that vote for then? And then you say "uhhh never unvoting" how cheap is that you're never town here disfo town disfo would've asked for a modkill or shit, scum disfo just got the cheap excuse for not voting his Grack teammate kudos to Xata for the super bus check on disfo | ||
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On June 20 2017 18:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: btdt why is disformation mafia? He spent the last 2-3 pages with painting a beautiful "btdt is scum" narrative, culminating in a "NEVER UNVOTE HERE" fake-rage so he doesn't have to end up on Grack. Vivax was hardcore on Grack and was probably killed because of that, also he was townreading me, so I assume scum!disformation wanted to start a btdt wagon with the town cred he gained from the xata flip (bla fake red check bla). Cherry on the cake: scum killed always into the super active people yet 22-page-filter-disformation survived for some reason. it's like a puzzle, it all goes together. disfo wasn't realler eager to push me on my hard defense on xata during d2, he left this to chez and df (which makes chez probably town btw) and while disfo feels active, he's not really doing much. Even starting the day with that weird "I have no scumreads" post but then suddenly locked grack locked btdt? I think that's as solid as it gets but a grack flip would kinda confirm that lynch avert attempt | ||
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On June 20 2017 18:49 disformation wrote: so you are trying to tell me you are not trying to tell me and then you post this? I am not trying to tilt you. My tone is aggressive, yes, but it has been all game. I am just putting pressure on you and that's my way to do it, compare to the newbie game if you want to (note: it's over now so it's allowed). I do not have the intention to tilt you. I just think you're not town. | ||
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On June 20 2017 18:54 disformation wrote: are you an idiot? No. Can you please leave the thread for an hour or so, then come back all calm and reflect on what I said about you? "wtf", "are you an idiot?" etc. is not a good defense. | ||
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On June 20 2017 18:54 disformation wrote: lunch. hope ill calm down. Good call. If you're not calmed down, leave. If you're mad town, no value for town is given, if you're scum, who the fuck cares about you shitting up the thread anyways. So come back when you're calm. | ||
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On June 20 2017 18:55 disformation wrote: hur dur only person to trying really hard to figure out the game obv scum hur dur seriously i hate playing with you LOL | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On June 14 2017 18:26 disformation wrote: and why would you claim so early in the day? that kinda ruins the discussion if you make the day auto this early. When sicklucker claimed cop, disformation jumped right on it. That bothered me D1 already but I kinda forgot it and I was on Koshi anyways. Believing a claim is not mafia indicative per se. Nor is asking for "why did you check this very person". But only a minute later, he posts questions that indicate his doubts. He's not fully buying it, he's doubting the logic because sicklucker's claim behaviour is weird. Yet, he still trys to make it seem he's believing the claim. I think sicklucker randomly hit scum with his fake claim. Eversince is disformation's scum buddy and disfo panicked for a moment, believing that the claim was genuine. He is in the end talking about his doubts: On June 14 2017 18:32 disformation wrote: hmmm... cop with a random check at the start of the game? hmmmmmmmmm... like dunno. cop with a random green check at the start of the game doesnt sound too far fetched imo. cop with a red at the very start of the game is really nasty for scum. esp. since pre game it was kinda implied that a lot of ppl wanted "weaker" and less swingy power roles. doesnt help that the check is on someone who has a history of not showing up or afking a bunch. This sentence reads already like "hey, I don't believe that". The relief is in there tonally, the relief that noone is picking up on the claim and the realization that it's most likely fake anyway. And, finally, the proof: On June 14 2017 18:41 disformation wrote: eh. he actually kinda announced his plan: carry on then. =D This is one of the very few, if not only times where disformation uses the "=D" smiley to express maximum happiness. Given he's every now and then in doubt of sicklucker, there's no real emotional reason to be found except relief that the claim is fake - because, I repeat, Eversince is most likely scum for real. Piece #2: Koshi. + Show Spoiler + This is the post that striked me weird: On June 14 2017 18:44 disformation wrote: y u no vote koshi then? or try to convince ppl to vote koshi? Contrary to the claim where he was super interested in WHY EVERSINCE?!, he doesn't even care about "why Koshi". Although HF's reasoning behind "Koshi 3p" isn't really great, it's not even easy to read or understand. Yet disfo is like "uhh, Koshi push? I'm totes fine with that, go ahead Palmar". Koshi flipped town N1 - and the ease with which disformation would let pushes on Koshi happen just speaks volume about how confident and happy he is with the state of the game at this point. On June 14 2017 18:48 disformation wrote: dammit. is that a buddying/pocketing attempt or did we seriously have a mindmeld about koshis random meh throwaway oneliner? A mindmeld with HF is claimed of whom disfo knows he's town. Note how disfo's vote is on Koshi, he's only jumping on the Xata wagon as #4, which is like the most convenient spot to be in as scum because a) it gives you towncred because you're helping the wagon get out of the rather low volume 2-3 vote state and b) it's not the hammer vote so while you gain towncred, you're not the scum hammer. And, whoops, he's sitting there conveniently, letting the annul wagon happen. On June 14 2017 18:55 disformation wrote: following my gut. voting koshi. =D Again, the "=D" smiley. Look how happy he is. He knows Koshi's town, and even better, he has HF (and btdt) who are pushing the Koshi wagon already so he can lean back and comment on stuff without really committing to anything. He drops some light-hearted reads which feel super random and forced. Also: On June 14 2017 21:30 disformation wrote: well you currently have 0 posts on B? maybe post something about B? =D Oh look, again the smiley, again while he's scumreading a townie. That's confidence scumformation right there, uhhyeah baby. Piece #3: rayn + Show Spoiler + On June 14 2017 21:33 disformation wrote: under scrutiny is a good wording for where rayn is at. I would absolutely love to quote some posts now where disformation follows up on this. But there aren't any. Takes a while when he talks to rayn, and it's not in the way you'd expect someone to talk to someone who's under scrutiny: On June 15 2017 16:29 disformation wrote: good morning everyone. @rayn: lemme explain the palmar thing: Palmar never answers the question. Koshis vote reminded me of that. "Hey you, I think you're scum, you're under scrutiny - let me explain to you something and then I'll just get off and not talk to you for a while" Super cheap. Piece #4: Eversince + Show Spoiler + Do you guys remember how disfo was wondering why eversince was checked? It's #1. Look at the first time he drops a bit of a comment about her: On June 15 2017 05:17 disformation wrote: think i am getting an headache. i am not sure I like hf's post on koshi. the case one. i feel like hf is overdramatizing some points. on the other hand i am not sure i like kohsis response either. this post is fairly overexplainy and hard to follow in general. can you break it down into a core message and write what you wanted to say in like 2 sentences? This is scummy. This is as scummy as it gets at this point, yet disformation is not drawing that conclusion. He doesn't follow up, again, though - BUT: he's on Vivax after all: On June 15 2017 17:43 disformation wrote: most plausible would be that he skimmed the big wordy complicated post of her and misread? but i also dont see where she supposedly copied your stuff on rayn. she just says that you are cool with lynching/shitfighting rayn Vivax is pressuring Eversince (note: Vivax is dead) at that point and disformation is not directly defending Eversince BUT he is clearly dismissing what Vivax said. He doesn't clearly say "hey, that's wrong, ES is town and you're reasoning is flawed", no, instead he tries to soft defend her a bit. Why is that? Super scummy. He even goes on to ask others (Palmar) about Vivax (note, NOT Eversince!) On June 15 2017 17:46 disformation wrote: @palmar: can you explain your 100% vivi townread? Finally, some words about Eversince: On June 15 2017 18:05 disformation wrote: i think her post doesnt make it 100% clear if she only copied the case against rayn or if she thinks its true. she kinda states it as a fact that rayn defended koshi, but i dont think it is clear if she does that because that is part of the case, or if she thinks it is true. so yeah she can have copied that from hf. cause that is basically the case. i think that post is pretty much nai. So here's what happens: 1. Rayn does something 2. ES agrees/re-states what rayn said 3. Gets called out and/or scumread for it 4. doesn't react (isn't in thread?) 5. Disfo keeps defending her, throwing shade on Vivax. He rescinds his defense later on though, when HF is on it and thread in general seems to be so: On June 15 2017 18:28 disformation wrote: oh wait. i think i missed that post from you: her own opinion on that came later in: uh. that makes it actually harder to tell if she formed that opinion on her own, or if she kinda was forced to by ppl talking about it etc... hmm... So he basically says "hmm, I might've misunderstood" which, according to himself, is a mafia trait: On June 15 2017 17:48 disformation wrote: only thing: i think vivi being super stubborn about that is slightly more town. imo mafia would be more prone to: "oh oopps totally misread that wordy hard to read post, nvm" Yeah. That's scummy. Result by the way: Vivax scumreading disformation: On June 15 2017 22:20 disformation wrote: tell me something new? i already posted about that. Uhhh. Vivax dead. Piece #5: Voting Xatalos + Show Spoiler + On June 16 2017 03:38 disformation wrote: switched to xata. i feel like voting with skynx and df. rather than with annul and ruxxar. He wants to vote with Skynx and DF instead of voting with Annul and Ruxxar. On June 16 2017 08:02 Half the Sky wrote: Final Vote Count - Day 1 annul (7): sicklucker, ruXxar, Fecalfeast, Xatalos, Rels, Grackaroni, Eversince Xatalos (6): darthfoley, Koshi, Skynx, disformation, annul, Holyflare sicklucker (2): Palmar, Koshi (1): marvellosity (1): Skynx (1): VayneAuthority ruXxar (0): Tumblewood (0): Palmar (0): raynpelikoneet (0): Palmar (0): beentheredonethat (0): Eversince (0): Not voted (4): Damdred, raynpelikoneet, AMG, marvellosity Half the Sky is getting ready to throw annul out of her whiskey bar. Day 1 ends in at 23:00 GMT (+00:00). The voting thread is here and only votes in the voting thread will be counted. Somehow he ended up voting Xatalos though. His original reasoning was "Hey, I don't want to vote with my scumread". But he also doesn't want to vote his scumread, Annul, and ends up on the opposing wagon. That vote only makes sense if it's an intentional bus. On June 16 2017 03:44 disformation wrote: do i need to have anything on xata in my filter? "Why would I say something about my scum mate that might direct people to the connection between me and him?" On June 16 2017 03:45 disformation wrote: i kinda wanted to read annuls filter. want me to look at my filter before or after that? "I'm not responsible for my vote, I'm just sheeping people". He gets even called out by Koshi for this behaviour by the way (and NOTE HOW KOSHI DIES IN THAT NIGHT) On June 16 2017 03:50 disformation wrote: nah someone i dont know exists would be annul On June 16 2017 04:08 disformation wrote: so i feel xata is currently the better lynch, but i havent really looked at annul yet. in words xata has a decent chance of being scum. koshi has a decent chance of being 3p, but i think xata has the better chance at being scum and koshi will at least post stuff that gives town more info. There is no way to determine the better lynch unless you know the alignment of one of them, busformation. On June 16 2017 07:08 disformation wrote: problem is more like that most of his stuff isnt very commited and fairly bland. if you got some nice scum reads i am all earsy Why is he asking Rels, who he rather scumreads, for scum reads outside of Xata/Annul? Right, because he doesn't want a Xata wagon. And finally, the great post game reaction: On June 16 2017 08:10 disformation wrote: wish i had known about his tendency to be the d1 lynch etc Yeah. If only you had read the game. If only. Disformation has already digged Database at that point! He is known for researching meta, he even brought up some games from ruxxar. but he doesn't know about the tendency to D1 lynch?! What kind of super weird and cheap reaction is that?! Piece #6: Numbers + Show Spoiler + This is a short one tbh but it matches the claim stuff from #1: Again, the instant jump on "wait, you know our exact numbers?!", just like "wait, redcheck? shit shit shit". Feels exactly the same. Even the wording on the follow up: On June 16 2017 08:37 disformation wrote: hmmm... no idea about numbers in large games. doesnt sound too farfetched though. bed after all Is almost identical ("doesn't sound too farfetched", compare to "a green check not too far fetched" from D1). I think that's scum trying to construct a TMI: "HE CANNOT KNOW WE'RE FIVE" This filter is so super hard to read >.< I'm on page 11. I have to admit that his N1 looks very good, especially asking the vig shot to be directed towards Xata. However, Xata doesn't die, so either vig didn't shoot or mafia has a protection mechanic or the roleblock got lucky? Hm, speculations. I'd say scum has a protective mechanic. Nevertheless, disformation's N1 doesn't look particularly scummy but it's also not particularly townie. He's mainly quoting posts from flipped HF/Koshi which is a good thing but which he stops lateron wihtout having drawn any conclusions from it. His D2 however is atrocious. He's basically yelling "I'm town" all day long without looking more into Xata. Note how he's still voting Xata because he wanted to vote with Skynx and HF and he doesn't have any original thoughts. Given how close it was I'm pretty sure that D2 fakeclaim was directed onto scumformation to give him towncred because he's the most active scummer by far in that team. On June 17 2017 21:18 disformation wrote: so my world looks like this atm: annul (7): sicklucker, ruXxar, Fecalfeast, Xatalos, Rels, Grackaroni, Eversince Xatalos (6): darthfoley, Koshi, Skynx, disformation, annul, Holyflare sicklucker (2): Palmar, Vivax Koshi (1): beentheredonethat marvellosity (1): Tumblewood Skynx (1): VayneAuthority Not voted (4): Damdred, raynpelikoneet, AMG, marvellosity rayn had some good posts recently as well.so prolly green. very high probability of at least 1 more, prolly 2 scum on annul. if there is a scum oin xata its skynx. just per poe. had a few instances where i was a bit worried about vivi (the parts where I felt he was reading another game), but i think i would lynch a bunch of other ppl before him. prolly should look at btdt, skynx and the ppl on annul again. Skynx, who he sheeped, somehow is on the scum pile now. There's some more banter with rayn but nothing of great value or readability. I'm now past D2. Rest will take a while to fully catch up but I'm confident in disfo being scum. The Xata claim looks like a set up play, it was too easy to lynch him and the day was super auto. mafia didn't try to change that in any way apparently and were content with letting the roleblocker die, I repeat, the roleblocker. I think they only do this if they're super afk or, way more likely, they get a somewhat conftown in disformation. | ||
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On June 20 2017 19:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: First of all you cannot really make assumptions of disformation's alignment based on Gracks. If he is mafia with Grack what's the point of calling him mafia in the first place then? Like he has the town credit (even if you don't think so) to call some townie mafia instead. Why doesn't he just simply call you mafia earlier? If Grackaroni is not mafia with him your theory - which is already a flimsy one - falls apart, you said so. But even so, why does that change anything? IF Grack is town here why does that suddenly make disformation town? I think you're looking too much into connections, and you're doing it wrong. The only thing that is a reasonable conclusion in this post imo is that Vivax was probably killed because Grackaroni is mafia. I am not even saying that is correct 100% but i know if i was mafia i would not kill Vivax here, since Vivax tends to be a paranoid vane who can start calling even confirmed townies mafia at some point. But yeah, that's only what i think, i don't know for sure what mafia thought when they shot him. If you're town at least let go of disformation because you HAVE TO realize this isn't productive at all rn and your read is based on someone else's alignment and the fact that he calls you mafia rather than something he has actually said. For reals, you get lynched for this kind of shit all the time. I don't want to lynch you in case you're town. But right now you're not helping, in fact you're mafia siding pretty hard with this stuff REGARDLESS of if you are right or wrong. Even if you are right, disformation and Grackaroni are not the only mafia in the game. Your vote is on Grack, which is fine, but please talk about somethign else than disformation. B-but i just cased him big time >.< | ||
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On June 20 2017 19:07 Rels wrote: Disagree. On the contrary disfo's angry posts cements my townread on him. I would expect him to be more ironic and mocking as scum when he knows he has much more power than you. So far, he was in his "everyone townreads me"-comfort zone. I kicked him out of that zone, of course he's frustrated. So you're right, the rage might be genuine, but it's scum indicated and not town-indicative. | ||
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On June 20 2017 18:50 beentheredonethat wrote: He spent the last 2-3 pages with painting a beautiful "btdt is scum" narrative, culminating in a "NEVER UNVOTE HERE" fake-rage so he doesn't have to end up on Grack. Vivax was hardcore on Grack and was probably killed because of that, also he was townreading me, so I assume scum!disformation wanted to start a btdt wagon with the town cred he gained from the xata flip (bla fake red check bla). Cherry on the cake: scum killed always into the super active people yet 22-page-filter-disformation survived for some reason. it's like a puzzle, it all goes together. disfo wasn't realler eager to push me on my hard defense on xata during d2, he left this to chez and df (which makes chez probably town btw) and while disfo feels active, he's not really doing much. Even starting the day with that weird "I have no scumreads" post but then suddenly locked grack locked btdt? I think that's as solid as it gets but a grack flip would kinda confirm that lynch avert attempt On June 20 2017 19:49 beentheredonethat wrote: Piece #1: The Claim Belief. + Show Spoiler + On June 14 2017 18:26 disformation wrote: and why would you claim so early in the day? that kinda ruins the discussion if you make the day auto this early. When sicklucker claimed cop, disformation jumped right on it. That bothered me D1 already but I kinda forgot it and I was on Koshi anyways. Believing a claim is not mafia indicative per se. Nor is asking for "why did you check this very person". But only a minute later, he posts questions that indicate his doubts. He's not fully buying it, he's doubting the logic because sicklucker's claim behaviour is weird. Yet, he still trys to make it seem he's believing the claim. I think sicklucker randomly hit scum with his fake claim. Eversince is disformation's scum buddy and disfo panicked for a moment, believing that the claim was genuine. He is in the end talking about his doubts: On June 14 2017 18:32 disformation wrote: hmmm... cop with a random check at the start of the game? hmmmmmmmmm... like dunno. cop with a random green check at the start of the game doesnt sound too far fetched imo. cop with a red at the very start of the game is really nasty for scum. esp. since pre game it was kinda implied that a lot of ppl wanted "weaker" and less swingy power roles. doesnt help that the check is on someone who has a history of not showing up or afking a bunch. This sentence reads already like "hey, I don't believe that". The relief is in there tonally, the relief that noone is picking up on the claim and the realization that it's most likely fake anyway. And, finally, the proof: On June 14 2017 18:41 disformation wrote: eh. he actually kinda announced his plan: carry on then. =D This is one of the very few, if not only times where disformation uses the "=D" smiley to express maximum happiness. Given he's every now and then in doubt of sicklucker, there's no real emotional reason to be found except relief that the claim is fake - because, I repeat, Eversince is most likely scum for real. Piece #2: Koshi. + Show Spoiler + This is the post that striked me weird: On June 14 2017 18:44 disformation wrote: y u no vote koshi then? or try to convince ppl to vote koshi? Contrary to the claim where he was super interested in WHY EVERSINCE?!, he doesn't even care about "why Koshi". Although HF's reasoning behind "Koshi 3p" isn't really great, it's not even easy to read or understand. Yet disfo is like "uhh, Koshi push? I'm totes fine with that, go ahead Palmar". Koshi flipped town N1 - and the ease with which disformation would let pushes on Koshi happen just speaks volume about how confident and happy he is with the state of the game at this point. On June 14 2017 18:48 disformation wrote: dammit. is that a buddying/pocketing attempt or did we seriously have a mindmeld about koshis random meh throwaway oneliner? A mindmeld with HF is claimed of whom disfo knows he's town. Note how disfo's vote is on Koshi, he's only jumping on the Xata wagon as #4, which is like the most convenient spot to be in as scum because a) it gives you towncred because you're helping the wagon get out of the rather low volume 2-3 vote state and b) it's not the hammer vote so while you gain towncred, you're not the scum hammer. And, whoops, he's sitting there conveniently, letting the annul wagon happen. On June 14 2017 18:55 disformation wrote: following my gut. voting koshi. =D Again, the "=D" smiley. Look how happy he is. He knows Koshi's town, and even better, he has HF (and btdt) who are pushing the Koshi wagon already so he can lean back and comment on stuff without really committing to anything. He drops some light-hearted reads which feel super random and forced. Also: On June 14 2017 21:30 disformation wrote: well you currently have 0 posts on B? maybe post something about B? =D Oh look, again the smiley, again while he's scumreading a townie. That's confidence scumformation right there, uhhyeah baby. Piece #3: rayn + Show Spoiler + On June 14 2017 21:33 disformation wrote: under scrutiny is a good wording for where rayn is at. I would absolutely love to quote some posts now where disformation follows up on this. But there aren't any. Takes a while when he talks to rayn, and it's not in the way you'd expect someone to talk to someone who's under scrutiny: On June 15 2017 16:29 disformation wrote: good morning everyone. @rayn: lemme explain the palmar thing: Palmar never answers the question. Koshis vote reminded me of that. "Hey you, I think you're scum, you're under scrutiny - let me explain to you something and then I'll just get off and not talk to you for a while" Super cheap. Piece #4: Eversince + Show Spoiler + Do you guys remember how disfo was wondering why eversince was checked? It's #1. Look at the first time he drops a bit of a comment about her: On June 15 2017 05:17 disformation wrote: think i am getting an headache. i am not sure I like hf's post on koshi. the case one. i feel like hf is overdramatizing some points. on the other hand i am not sure i like kohsis response either. this post is fairly overexplainy and hard to follow in general. can you break it down into a core message and write what you wanted to say in like 2 sentences? This is scummy. This is as scummy as it gets at this point, yet disformation is not drawing that conclusion. He doesn't follow up, again, though - BUT: he's on Vivax after all: On June 15 2017 17:43 disformation wrote: most plausible would be that he skimmed the big wordy complicated post of her and misread? but i also dont see where she supposedly copied your stuff on rayn. she just says that you are cool with lynching/shitfighting rayn Vivax is pressuring Eversince (note: Vivax is dead) at that point and disformation is not directly defending Eversince BUT he is clearly dismissing what Vivax said. He doesn't clearly say "hey, that's wrong, ES is town and you're reasoning is flawed", no, instead he tries to soft defend her a bit. Why is that? Super scummy. He even goes on to ask others (Palmar) about Vivax (note, NOT Eversince!) On June 15 2017 17:46 disformation wrote: @palmar: can you explain your 100% vivi townread? Finally, some words about Eversince: On June 15 2017 18:05 disformation wrote: i think her post doesnt make it 100% clear if she only copied the case against rayn or if she thinks its true. she kinda states it as a fact that rayn defended koshi, but i dont think it is clear if she does that because that is part of the case, or if she thinks it is true. so yeah she can have copied that from hf. cause that is basically the case. i think that post is pretty much nai. So here's what happens: 1. Rayn does something 2. ES agrees/re-states what rayn said 3. Gets called out and/or scumread for it 4. doesn't react (isn't in thread?) 5. Disfo keeps defending her, throwing shade on Vivax. He rescinds his defense later on though, when HF is on it and thread in general seems to be so: On June 15 2017 18:28 disformation wrote: oh wait. i think i missed that post from you: her own opinion on that came later in: uh. that makes it actually harder to tell if she formed that opinion on her own, or if she kinda was forced to by ppl talking about it etc... hmm... So he basically says "hmm, I might've misunderstood" which, according to himself, is a mafia trait: On June 15 2017 17:48 disformation wrote: only thing: i think vivi being super stubborn about that is slightly more town. imo mafia would be more prone to: "oh oopps totally misread that wordy hard to read post, nvm" Yeah. That's scummy. Result by the way: Vivax scumreading disformation: On June 15 2017 22:20 disformation wrote: tell me something new? i already posted about that. Uhhh. Vivax dead. Piece #5: Voting Xatalos + Show Spoiler + On June 16 2017 03:38 disformation wrote: switched to xata. i feel like voting with skynx and df. rather than with annul and ruxxar. He wants to vote with Skynx and DF instead of voting with Annul and Ruxxar. On June 16 2017 08:02 Half the Sky wrote: Final Vote Count - Day 1 annul (7): sicklucker, ruXxar, Fecalfeast, Xatalos, Rels, Grackaroni, Eversince Xatalos (6): darthfoley, Koshi, Skynx, disformation, annul, Holyflare sicklucker (2): Palmar, Koshi (1): marvellosity (1): Skynx (1): VayneAuthority ruXxar (0): Tumblewood (0): Palmar (0): raynpelikoneet (0): Palmar (0): beentheredonethat (0): Eversince (0): Not voted (4): Damdred, raynpelikoneet, AMG, marvellosity Half the Sky is getting ready to throw annul out of her whiskey bar. Day 1 ends in at 23:00 GMT (+00:00). The voting thread is here and only votes in the voting thread will be counted. Somehow he ended up voting Xatalos though. His original reasoning was "Hey, I don't want to vote with my scumread". But he also doesn't want to vote his scumread, Annul, and ends up on the opposing wagon. That vote only makes sense if it's an intentional bus. On June 16 2017 03:44 disformation wrote: do i need to have anything on xata in my filter? "Why would I say something about my scum mate that might direct people to the connection between me and him?" On June 16 2017 03:45 disformation wrote: i kinda wanted to read annuls filter. want me to look at my filter before or after that? "I'm not responsible for my vote, I'm just sheeping people". He gets even called out by Koshi for this behaviour by the way (and NOTE HOW KOSHI DIES IN THAT NIGHT) On June 16 2017 03:50 disformation wrote: nah someone i dont know exists would be annul On June 16 2017 04:08 disformation wrote: so i feel xata is currently the better lynch, but i havent really looked at annul yet. in words xata has a decent chance of being scum. koshi has a decent chance of being 3p, but i think xata has the better chance at being scum and koshi will at least post stuff that gives town more info. There is no way to determine the better lynch unless you know the alignment of one of them, busformation. On June 16 2017 07:08 disformation wrote: problem is more like that most of his stuff isnt very commited and fairly bland. if you got some nice scum reads i am all earsy Why is he asking Rels, who he rather scumreads, for scum reads outside of Xata/Annul? Right, because he doesn't want a Xata wagon. And finally, the great post game reaction: On June 16 2017 08:10 disformation wrote: wish i had known about his tendency to be the d1 lynch etc Yeah. If only you had read the game. If only. Disformation has already digged Database at that point! He is known for researching meta, he even brought up some games from ruxxar. but he doesn't know about the tendency to D1 lynch?! What kind of super weird and cheap reaction is that?! Piece #6: Numbers + Show Spoiler + This is a short one tbh but it matches the claim stuff from #1: Again, the instant jump on "wait, you know our exact numbers?!", just like "wait, redcheck? shit shit shit". Feels exactly the same. Even the wording on the follow up: On June 16 2017 08:37 disformation wrote: hmmm... no idea about numbers in large games. doesnt sound too farfetched though. bed after all Is almost identical ("doesn't sound too farfetched", compare to "a green check not too far fetched" from D1). I think that's scum trying to construct a TMI: "HE CANNOT KNOW WE'RE FIVE" This filter is so super hard to read >.< I'm on page 11. I have to admit that his N1 looks very good, especially asking the vig shot to be directed towards Xata. However, Xata doesn't die, so either vig didn't shoot or mafia has a protection mechanic or the roleblock got lucky? Hm, speculations. I'd say scum has a protective mechanic. Nevertheless, disformation's N1 doesn't look particularly scummy but it's also not particularly townie. He's mainly quoting posts from flipped HF/Koshi which is a good thing but which he stops lateron wihtout having drawn any conclusions from it. His D2 however is atrocious. He's basically yelling "I'm town" all day long without looking more into Xata. Note how he's still voting Xata because he wanted to vote with Skynx and HF and he doesn't have any original thoughts. Given how close it was I'm pretty sure that D2 fakeclaim was directed onto scumformation to give him towncred because he's the most active scummer by far in that team. Skynx, who he sheeped, somehow is on the scum pile now. There's some more banter with rayn but nothing of great value or readability. I'm now past D2. Rest will take a while to fully catch up but I'm confident in disfo being scum. The Xata claim looks like a set up play, it was too easy to lynch him and the day was super auto. mafia didn't try to change that in any way apparently and were content with letting the roleblocker die, I repeat, the roleblocker. I think they only do this if they're super afk or, way more likely, they get a somewhat conftown in disformation. These go together of course | ||
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why exactly are we not lynching Palmar? | ||
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and sicklucker because he has no real reasons to scumread annul yet votes him and for associative reasons re: Xata. sounds both decent to be honest bah it's too hot here can't really think | ||
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On June 20 2017 22:36 Chezitwo wrote: That's why you need to try and lynch him at some point. Preferably during the week. So what? A SL wagon is fine too. I know and I get told every game that activity isn't alignment indicative and then there's low filter LS and low filter Grack in LYLO and mafia wins, happened twice in a row now. -.- | ||
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Then again, I haven't seen him post here around tl so I don't know how valid it is also this is one of the few points Palmar can make because he's been absent basically. So I'd treat this with care. chezitwo appeared townie to me | ||
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On June 20 2017 22:50 Palmar wrote: my top lyncherios atm: skynx, btdt and sicklucker. shit guys we're caught /concede I'm impressed how 2 page filter Palmar drops scumreads without hesitation | ||
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On June 20 2017 22:51 beentheredonethat wrote: the "marv disappears when he's scum" shit is actually valid, I can confirm that from Generic I (I think. Might've been one of the other games I hosted). The scum qt in this game is full of "omg I rolled scum" shit. Then again, I haven't seen him post here around tl so I don't know how valid it is also this is one of the few points Palmar can make because he's been absent basically. So I'd treat this with care. chezitwo appeared townie to me aaand palmar discarding already the marv stuff and instead throwing up three other random names for lynch makes me think he's lurky scum. | ||
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On June 20 2017 22:40 Rels wrote: @BTDT we're not lynching Palmar 'cause he did nothing scummy and some other people did. Filter length is something to consider but is not an absolute measure. He did nothing townie, either. And a super bad reason to not lynch an obvious lurker. He managed to vote each cycle. He even comes in every now and then, throw accusations at people, doesn't follow up AND he freely admits to neither read nor care about this game. I don't know why we don't lynch (or shoot) such a player. | ||
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On June 16 2017 00:40 Palmar wrote: So I clicked two more filters. beentheredonethat is strange. There's some weird stuff in his filter like gettin into an argument if he's carefree. But there's also some townie sounding, albeit not very useful stuff. He goes in the "could be either category" AMG hasn't posted at all, lucky me that was an easy filter to read. I still think voting sicklucker is a good idea and I'm gonna park my vote there. Btdt should probably sheep me as he thinks sicklucker's contributions are atrocious. Hey, Palmar, we have a sicklucker train going. You care? On June 16 2017 16:39 Palmar wrote: I clicked darthfoley's filter. I don't like it much, and I would expect him to be a relatively easy townread if he was town. I think he is a good candidate for being mafia. Hey, Palmar, this guy flipped town. On June 20 2017 06:43 Palmar wrote: Rels is evil! I have no idea, I haven't read much lately. I saw darthfoley thinks btdt is mafia, that is an interesting development as I've previously mentioned suspecting both of them. I also should catch up on what sicklucker is doing. Chezitwo is probably mafia because marv not playing is like 99% because he rolled mafia. Sucks, but replacements are always more likely to be mafia, and in this case it's especially prevalent. On June 16 2017 00:41 Palmar wrote: Btw, if we're killing inactive/modkill-territory people, we kill AMG, not marv. Hey, Palmar, lynch into the AMG slot instead of the slot where you're suspecting scum!marv? | ||
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On June 20 2017 23:00 beentheredonethat wrote: Hey, Palmar, we have a sicklucker train going. You care? Hey, Palmar, this guy flipped town. Hey, Palmar, lynch into the AMG slot instead of the slot where you're suspecting scum!marv? Ok the first two things are basically me bitching but the last one is valid and scummy | ||
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On June 20 2017 23:02 Rels wrote: We lynch him when we have no-one than we really think is scum. Him or one of the other 100000 people with below 4 pages of filter | ||
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On June 20 2017 23:03 disformation wrote: if i remember correctly btdt claimed cop with a fake red check on someone in a recent nsm. btdt was vt, his redcheck too. can we not bring that up please I regret this a lot | ||
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On June 20 2017 23:03 ruXxar wrote: I'm saying that suddenly he's not so certain that grack is a good lynch. have you read my case on disfo | ||
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Grackaroni (5): ruXxar, Fecalfeast, Chezitwo, beentheredonethat, VayneAuthority D1 main wagon: annul (7): sicklucker, ruXxar, Fecalfeast, Xatalos, Rels, Grackaroni, Eversince Ruxxar and Fecalfeast are voting together once more. Both rather townread people. Why was everyone so super sure on Fecalfeast again? I think there were valid points but don't remember. VayneAuthority ended up on Skynx D1 and is now up on the Grack wagon after popping in for a while. So D1 a non-committal vote and D3 joining the wagon in a strong fashion (I think joining a wagon as #5/#6 has more weight than #1/#2) which gives me worries. What are VA's reasons? Like, people from the annul wagon aren't exactly cleared. We're focusing on Rels, Grack, ES, but left out Ruxxar for a lot of time (for which exact reasons?) Hmm | ||
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On June 21 2017 18:05 ruXxar wrote: If you're so doubtful of the people voting for grack, why are you still voting for him? might have to do with that thing called work, this is where you earn money and only have limited time to play mafia. This is why I put out stuff I find weird so others can discuss, too. | ||
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On June 21 2017 18:28 disformation wrote: well. to help you guys out: ruxxar: + pushing ppl to vote his scumreads + baiting around to make ppl do stuff on otherwise dead days (d2) (this one is big for me) + tone small nitpicks: - not sure if him spamming his grack list is padding his filter. - sometimes his baiting looks like testing the waters or him seeing what could stick. overall i think he is way more town than nearly everyone else. - pushed Annul mislynch - pushed Grack like a madman esp. his "everyone who pushed Grack gets a townread" makes it feel like he's super happy if everyone just auto's on grack today which makes me think Grack is town | ||
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On June 17 2017 01:32 Fecalfeast wrote: I'm going to do a doubletake at ruxxar and why i stopped scumming him, I'm gonna read some of the bigger filters too if it's still slow here On June 17 2017 01:38 Fecalfeast wrote: Man ruxxar really tried to buddybuddy with me when i started to wane on my scumread on him. Yuck On June 17 2017 03:15 Fecalfeast wrote: We have to kill xata and sl ( and ruxxar) first anyway That's a super weird progression. "Ruxxar scum" -> "I stopped scumming him" -> "he buddybuddy me, lynch ruxxar" On June 20 2017 08:33 Fecalfeast wrote: ##vote grack I'm not committed to this vote just yet but I did say that I would do it. "I vote Grack, the guy Ruxxar is pushing all day long" I don't understand the townread on Fecal | ||
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That's the kind of stuff I mean when I talk about your filter being hard to read, you know | ||
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On June 21 2017 18:34 disformation wrote: looking back at fefe: last post: town. fairly sure. Why is that townish? "I made a half-assed attempt to do something and my result is a not-really-committed townread" How is that townish? | ||
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But it's only 4 pages long. That's super mafia | ||
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VA reads grack scum. VA also has the same doubts towards Fecal as I do and he associates that scumread with Grack. coming fresh off of his filter, I think it's safe to assume VA is town here. I'll retract if Grack/Fecal flip town. | ||
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so I think we got something here. I don't think both are scum together. so t/t or t/s and I'd say the scum is on Skynx' side here | ||
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On June 21 2017 04:37 Skynx wrote: Also none of this is productive. I'm lynching Rels today. Grack and SL i can also lynch. Disfo is also mafia. There is also like 5 other people with 2-3 page filters and terrible D1, I can lynch them also. I actually have no idea who is town this game. And that makes me think Grack is scum with Skynx and Rels is town. In a world where VA is town and scumreads Grack and Fecalfeast, with Skynx HEAVILY disagreeing with VA on Fecalfeast BUT being "okay" with a Grack lynch BUT voting Rels instead, I can see Skynx being scum with Grack. Get the town cred from saying "I'm okay with that", throw in a bunch of everyone-else ("I have no idea who's town"), and proceed to vote someone who's not your scum teammate but who is currently also in discussion of the thread. That would meet the Xata vote, too, because it was exactly the kind of bussing I'd expect from scum. | ||
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On June 21 2017 05:02 Skynx wrote: VA First readable post after a bunch of gibberish all along D1. Same shit as sl, wants to be ignored D1 and doesn't contribute. Perfectly distances himself away from any of the trains as he doesn't want to give anything away. Then bunch of mechanics/trolling/irrelevant stuff, never any attempt to push the game forward. This is interesting, why fefe in particular singled out? He's at the same boat with sl at this point and ruxxar voting to save himself. For the rest, rels, grack and es all had little to no reason to vote annul, yet they are on different tiers. Lastly Vivax also singled out but nothing about btdt/tw?? All this while he votes for someone he doesn't explain why he's scum????? This post is a total nonesense. See next two posts together; See bolded, one post he implies im town, other he implies im scum???? Posts are just after eachother aswell. Then bunch more irrelevant stuff. Find me one towny post he makes plz. This is also the very definition of a lazy case. it goes against a low volume poster (lynchbaaaait), it puts together lots of quote with few conclusions, and it misconstructs the read progression IMHO. | ||
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On June 21 2017 19:20 Skynx wrote: Where is your vote tough guy? If you actually believe a word you said? I'm on Grack? | ||
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On June 21 2017 19:28 disformation wrote: well a lot of ppl pushed/voted annul and i think ruxxar happens to look better than a lot of other ppl on that wagon. and since we dont know what grack will flip yet, the other part is unflipped association. Like, I can see Grack being scum. Granted. But the way Ruxxar is pushing Grack is weirding me out, this "auto on Grack guys and you all get a townread" thing is just... yeah dunno, it's weirding me out. | ||
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On June 21 2017 19:31 disformation wrote: *sigh* why would scum do that? scum would just finish up the half finished case to look like having scumreads and done stuff. realizing half way through a case that you think the guy might actually be town is far more likely to come from town. aaaand the read isnt even as shitty as you make it out to be. "i cant see any agenda in va's filter" is a pretty strong statement. A super strong statement contradicted by "I kinda think". And I super disagree with you regarding townreading "hey I almost did something". That's just bad. | ||
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On June 21 2017 19:33 disformation wrote: yes you have a huge pile on unflipped associations... you know just go back to ignoring me please. you're completely ignoring what I said about skynx/grack and I'm sick of you commenting with dumbfuck oneliners on things where people put actual work in | ||
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On June 21 2017 19:44 disformation wrote: no. you are just bad for not realizing that is a super obv town post. piss off, 24-filters-I-have-done-nothing-disformation | ||
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On June 21 2017 19:45 disformation wrote: aight. fair enough. question is what to do now. i guess the best way of action for town is to lynch the guy that is most likely to flip scum. so if you think rels or sl have a better chance, feel free to switch. if you would like to lynch someone else, feel free to write a case. I have clearly said we should lynch into Grack/Skynx not sure why you keep ignoring that | ||
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On June 21 2017 19:47 disformation wrote: i really really really dislike ppl telling me i did nothing, when i put more effort and time into the game then the rest of the whole fucking game combined. I am not sure if there's a more self-righteous person in the game. Or have ever been. | ||
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On June 21 2017 19:47 disformation wrote: then what is the point of posting that? distancing from the lynch result? setting up ruxxar? Are you serious? You said something about it. We had a conversation about it. Why am I not allowed to reply to something right there? Why do you want me to townread Ruxxar when I don't? Would it make more sense in your eyes if I would just go ahead and say "oh Ruxxar town because disformation whom I made a huge-ass, universally ignored case about TOLD ME SO"???? | ||
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Super possible. Everytime I start to talk about people, disformation comes in and onelines the thread into a shitfight with me. I'll mute him now. | ||
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On June 21 2017 19:59 ruXxar wrote: You think I'm trying really hard to bus my scum team mate for town cred? I could just as easily push sicklucker or rels, but no I decide on grack since even before he was threat to be lynched. What argument do you have for me and grack being mafia together? On June 21 2017 19:53 beentheredonethat wrote: Wait, I'm overreacting on Ruxxar here. I think he's not locked town and the fact disfo townreads him made me think he's scum but that's not necessarily true. Reeeead | ||
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On June 21 2017 20:05 Rels wrote: BTDT join us in that "lets see if SL is really unlynchable" quest. Good reward at the end I promise No, we're lynching into Grack or Skynx today. I dived SL's filter with the assumption he was scum and he pushed annul so hard D1 that I didn't really think that scum would do this. Like, he was all over it, scumreading HF super hard and then HF is the nightkill. He's also saying very often "i'm sicklucker i'm super good" while making jaw-droppingly weird reads I think that's town-sicklucker but more importantly I think skynx/grack are the better lynch. | ||
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On June 21 2017 19:59 ruXxar wrote: You think I'm trying really hard to bus my scum team mate for town cred? I could just as easily push sicklucker or rels, but no I decide on grack since even before he was threat to be lynched. What argument do you have for me and grack being mafia together? Ruxxar comes in Ruxxar ignores Ruxxar casts shade, then pisses off. I got a super slight town lean there at most | ||
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On June 21 2017 20:20 Rels wrote: maybe we should put Skynx out of his misery as a birthday present =D summarize why we would lynch SL for me please. | ||
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On June 21 2017 20:23 Rels wrote: the first part is not true. First, SL is actually one of the few players I know who is NOT afraid to protect his partner at all cost if he can. He has a certain logic that he follows. Second, consider that there was also the possiblity of HIM being lynched instead of Xata or annul. So it makes sense that he needed to be active. About HF, this means nothing. Scumreading someone super hard then killing him proves nothing. Especially since HF is a super strong player for any scum team; and that he was scumreading SL pretty hard. Finally, this is not true: "He's also saying very often "i'm sicklucker i'm super good" while making jaw-droppingly weird reads." On the contrary, I'm waiting for the weird smart post and they're not coming. He did push Annul. It's true, I can bring up 5-10 posts where he's pushing Annul and/or talking people into lynching Annul. Having also read the summary of why you're scumreading him, I think it's mainly meta reasons. I can see your points in saying "it's NAI if you push a town lynch super hard or scum read someone who flips immediately", so yeah you're right. I think he shouldn't be the lynch today. Flipping Grack/Skynx gives us a lot of information, we can associate a lot and we'll be able to read more into other people's reads, which is like the exact ground where sicklucker can do the weird good posting that you expect him to do. | ||
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On June 22 2017 08:01 Half the Sky wrote: Final Vote Count - Day 3 Grackaroni (9): ruXxar, sicklucker (3): Palmar (2): VayneAuthority (1): Grackaroni disformation (0): Rels (0): Fecalfeast (0): Skynx (0): raynpelikoneet (0): ruXxar (0): beentheredonethat (0): Half the Sky is throwing Grackaroni out of her whiskey bar. Observations: 1 Pretty much uncontested Grack wagon 2 Votes in hammer range on town: Tumblewood, sicklucker, Blazinghand 3 Irrelevant votes: raynpelikoneet, Palmar (starting with Rayn as hammer because Fecalfeast was originally part of the Grack wagon) 4 "Counter wagon" votes: Rels, Skynx, Chezitwo 5 Wasted votes: disformation, (Fecalfeast) re: 1) Having an uncontested wagon where no big discussion is revolving around pretty much means it's a town wagon. However, I think there was actually a lot of discussion in the past day, especially started by Rels. I am town reading Rels right now; he came out of the lurker shadows to actually talk. I also like his fighting with rayn and I'm super worried about rayn not being the town super hero that pushes people around. So Rels up, rayn down, although I gotta admit I haven't looked too deeply into the fight these two have. My association between Skynx and Grack was obviously wrong. Nevertheless I find it super suspicious that Skynx chimed in, threw around some shade, later on pissed off, let the Grack lynch happen without really putting in work to push the sicklucker lynch. I am sure that there is scum on the Grack wagon and I am fairly certain that not all scummers are on that wagon; and Skynx' vote feels off. We have two mislynches as someone pointed out; so a vig shot (if available) gets more and more risky - but Skynx is a decent target. But I'm super super super afraid here. Scum pool: Skynx, Eversince (voted super late each time) Town should be: disformation (mehhhhhhhh, and only if he doesn't die this night lol, and town rage), Chezitwo (mainly based on D2), Rels (based on D3) Meh: Palmar, Tumblewood, Blazinghand, ruxxar, Fecalfeast, VayneAuthority, sicklucker, rayn I hope I didn't forget anyone. re: 2) These three players were basically the ones who sealed the Grack lynch: Tumblewood, sicklucker, Blazinghand. All of them will be moved to the scum pool for that: Scum pool: Skynx, Eversince, Tumblewood, sicklucker, Blazinghand Town should be: disformation, Chezitwo, Rels Meh: Palmar, ruxxar, Fecalfeast, VayneAuthority, rayn So without further ado, they come into the scum pool. re: 3) Same as 2), can just be scum chiming in. Scum pool: Skynx, Eversince, Tumblewood, sicklucker, Blazinghand, Palmar, rayn Town should be: disformation, Chezitwo, Rels Meh: ruxxar, Fecalfeast, VayneAuthority re: 4) Rels pushing sicklucker matches what he did all D2. I don't think that this is scum pushing a second town wagon here. So if Rels would be scum, then sicklucker would most likely also be scum and we have a bus attempt to get town cred, which IMHO is a rather bad and useless bus because there's no way Rels gains towncred from this vote if sicklucker flips scum at any point. Skynx' vote on the other hand isn't as solid als Rels' vote. He not voting Grack (although he did say something about voting Grack, or am I wrong there?) is actually scum indicative here as he pretty much wasted his vote, putting it on unflipped instead of townflip. I'm certain Skynx is scum. Chezitwo voting sicklucker - mehhhhhhhhhhhhh. Given how super eager he was to lynch Xata over Xata's cop claim, I don't know why he voted sicklucker here and kinda wasted his vote. I need to check the context of that vote as well as the reasoning. NAI imho but I'm not too sure. I don't have too many townreads so I'll keep him on the list "just cause" but I am indeed a bit paranoid. re: 5) The only thing that comes to my mind is that disfo said early D3 that he'd end up voting Grackaroni anyways. Not sure what to make out of that but it striked me as weird. | ||
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On June 22 2017 18:55 Blazinghand wrote: I was the hammer. Rayn made in hammering Impoasbkle. Everything else is window dressing. TW and SL didn't hammer. I did. Get the facts straight "votes in hammer range on town: Tumblewood, sicklucker, Blazinghand" Tumblewood provided the hammer, sicklucker lifted it, you banged it on the table. I think I have my facts straight here and you're trying to misrepresent my case. Why do you do this? | ||
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On June 22 2017 18:58 disformation wrote: yeah and if everyone in the thread says this why would scum shoot me? ruxxar did the same thing already. dont listen to those guys scum. im absolutely unlynchable and give the least amount of information on flip. shoopooooooooooooot me! I'm saying I'll be paranoid. Don't ridicule that statement please, we're right now on a good way and I don't want to get into the next shitfight. Why do you ignore that I townread you and focus on what potentially could happen? Please don't be that guy. | ||
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On June 22 2017 19:10 Skynx wrote: Can someone translate that btdt post to english and tell me what he's accusing me for? Consider a serious defense please. 1) Why didn't you push disfo? 2) Why vote sicklucker over Rels? 3) Why vote sicklucker when you're okay with Grack as well and Grack is the clear wagon here? 4) Why pretend you don't understand that I scumread you when we already engaged D3 on such points? 5) Why put out a lazy-ass case on VA, then completely ignore VA? 6) Why are you okay with Grack being lynched when there's noone against it AND Grack is scumreading the guy you cased (VA)? Of course those are very hard to understand points when you're scum, I wouldn't want to have all those points raised against me, too. | ||
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On June 22 2017 19:24 disformation wrote: because your tr on me has a huge caveat in "(only if he doesnt die tonight)". but i also really dont want to spend today arguing with you again, so i am willing to let it goo... let it gooo... On June 22 2017 18:48 beentheredonethat wrote: Observations: 1 Pretty much uncontested Grack wagon 2 Votes in hammer range on town: Tumblewood, sicklucker, Blazinghand 3 Irrelevant votes: raynpelikoneet, Palmar (starting with Rayn as hammer because Fecalfeast was originally part of the Grack wagon) 4 "Counter wagon" votes: Rels, Skynx, Chezitwo 5 Wasted votes: disformation, (Fecalfeast) re: 1) Having an uncontested wagon where no big discussion is revolving around pretty much means it's a town wagon. However, I think there was actually a lot of discussion in the past day, especially started by Rels. I am town reading Rels right now; he came out of the lurker shadows to actually talk. I also like his fighting with rayn and I'm super worried about rayn not being the town super hero that pushes people around. So Rels up, rayn down, although I gotta admit I haven't looked too deeply into the fight these two have. My association between Skynx and Grack was obviously wrong. Nevertheless I find it super suspicious that Skynx chimed in, threw around some shade, later on pissed off, let the Grack lynch happen without really putting in work to push the sicklucker lynch. I am sure that there is scum on the Grack wagon and I am fairly certain that not all scummers are on that wagon; and Skynx' vote feels off. We have two mislynches as someone pointed out; so a vig shot (if available) gets more and more risky - but Skynx is a decent target. But I'm super super super afraid here. Scum pool: Skynx, Eversince (voted super late each time) Town should be: disformation (mehhhhhhhh, and only if he doesn't die this night lol, and town rage), Chezitwo (mainly based on D2), Rels (based on D3) Meh: Palmar, Tumblewood, Blazinghand, ruxxar, Fecalfeast, VayneAuthority, sicklucker, rayn I hope I didn't forget anyone. re: 2) These three players were basically the ones who sealed the Grack lynch: Tumblewood, sicklucker, Blazinghand. All of them will be moved to the scum pool for that: Scum pool: Skynx, Eversince, Tumblewood, sicklucker, Blazinghand Town should be: disformation, Chezitwo, Rels Meh: Palmar, ruxxar, Fecalfeast, VayneAuthority, rayn So without further ado, they come into the scum pool. re: 3) Same as 2), can just be scum chiming in. Scum pool: Skynx, Eversince, Tumblewood, sicklucker, Blazinghand, Palmar, rayn Town should be: disformation, Chezitwo, Rels Meh: ruxxar, Fecalfeast, VayneAuthority re: 4) Rels pushing sicklucker matches what he did all D2. I don't think that this is scum pushing a second town wagon here. So if Rels would be scum, then sicklucker would most likely also be scum and we have a bus attempt to get town cred, which IMHO is a rather bad and useless bus because there's no way Rels gains towncred from this vote if sicklucker flips scum at any point. Skynx' vote on the other hand isn't as solid als Rels' vote. He not voting Grack (although he did say something about voting Grack, or am I wrong there?) is actually scum indicative here as he pretty much wasted his vote, putting it on unflipped instead of townflip. I'm certain Skynx is scum. Chezitwo voting sicklucker - mehhhhhhhhhhhhh. Given how super eager he was to lynch Xata over Xata's cop claim, I don't know why he voted sicklucker here and kinda wasted his vote. I need to check the context of that vote as well as the reasoning. NAI imho but I'm not too sure. I don't have too many townreads so I'll keep him on the list "just cause" but I am indeed a bit paranoid. re: 5) The only thing that comes to my mind is that disfo said early D3 that he'd end up voting Grackaroni anyways. Not sure what to make out of that but it striked me as weird. I say it pretty clearly here. There's no "huge caveat" to it. All I am saying is that I'll be paranoid that my town read is wrong. But I have no real way to argue against that. And that is an IF. You need to realize that you're dismissing my townread on you because you want me to scumread you. That way you can continue the martyring and self-pity you're showing. So once more: stop it. Stop the self-pity. You claim to make huge efforts, then complain about how it doesn't get you townread. I am townreading you. You hear me? I am townreading you. Town. Reading. You. And since I townread you, I am one of the few who didn't do that before, so I think it's highly likely you're a scum target at night. Probably you and me will be shot. Or maybe Rels because he came out of inactivity land and scum keeps killing active people. I'll be paranoid if scum doesn't shoot universally townread people. | ||
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On June 22 2017 19:40 sicklucker wrote: So if Rels would be scum, then sicklucker would most likely also be scum and we have a bus attempt to get town cred, which IMHO is a rather bad and useless bus because there's no way Rels gains towncred from this vote if sicklucker flips scum at any point. -_- yeah my thoughts | ||
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On June 22 2017 19:41 Chezitwo wrote: Yes, because clearly everyone who is not voting the main wagon is wasting his vote. Not like I actually put SL in the lead before I left or anything. We will lynch SL with fire on day4. If rayn hasn't started being town until then he can go next. Alternatively we can also get rid of Palmar then. I missed that. Thanks for pointing it out. Makes me not regret the townread on you. | ||
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Take my face and ram it onto how it is correctly as town!rayn would do it and also call me bad as town!rayn would | ||
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On June 22 2017 20:42 disformation wrote: partially. more like these posts: one more point on the bullet list of why skynx is scum. it's not only super uncalled for, it doesn't even have a trigger or anything that would justify it. | ||
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That's as good as posting baby seals tbh | ||
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Except I'm not opportunistic. I scumread you since last cycle, I have stated my reasons, and you refuse to defend yourself and, way more important, you refuse to actually play the game. | ||
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On June 22 2017 21:57 ruXxar wrote: Rayn and BH are right. You are misrepresenting how the voting went down, and final vote count is absolutely not represenatitve of what the situation looked like. Therefore your analysis is pretty much void. The ones who put the deciding votes on a wagon are hammer votes. This is what I am analyzing. And I put all three of them into possible scum range. Do you disagree? | ||
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On June 22 2017 23:15 ruXxar wrote: The hammer votes was BH and Rayn. Anyone who was reading the thread at the time can confirm that. Well then BH Who's all defensive about himself voting Grack, like "I did it and I stand by having done so" and who's pointing to himself as being the hammer. Is that scum being aware of how bad he looks who's trying to bring up points before town can bring it up? | ||
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whats the status and why did scum kill sicklucker, that doesn't make sense | ||
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On June 23 2017 21:07 disformation wrote: va claimed vig shot on sl if that is true scum prolly shot into protection of some sort I can easily see a jailkeeper in this game, or a doc | ||
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On June 23 2017 21:10 disformation wrote: well va still should explain why he didnt shot xata n1 and why he hold his shot so long. but yeah. do you doubt that claim? | ||
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I realize people are after Palmar? Why? oh and ##vote Skynx | ||
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On June 23 2017 21:17 disformation wrote: first reaction was to doubt it cause i was very confused why he didnt shot xata n1. also holding the shot until n3 is fairly dangerous in a game where scum has 2 kp first two nights and unknown roles. there are some reasons where this stuff makes sense, but i want to hear one of those from him.  i am also cool with seeing whether he gets shot this night or next. I find it weird that you bought the sicklucker claim D1 but don't buy the VA claim now. But then again I don't know how this should be AI in any form right here so.. yea. Vote skynx with me? | ||
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On June 23 2017 21:19 disformation wrote: hm? dont understand? can you explain like i am 3 or something? Unflipped association: if Palmar is scum, and Skynx is scum, then Skynx doesn't want to bus in this situation because his standing is quite low. He's pushed by me and he's most likely going to be lynched either today or tomorrow. To me, it is crystal clear that he is scum and I have pointed out my reasons for it several times now. So basically Skynx makes his vote irrelevant. That way, he doesn't have to justify why he's voting who he's voting AND he doesn't make the Palmar wagon faster. Of course he can still jump on and try to gain bus credit at any point but for now he's probably like "meh, guys, I'll just vote btdt and keep flying under the radar". | ||
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On June 23 2017 21:18 disformation wrote: palmar ninja voted earlier without a single post in thread and well. just look at his filter. why would es get modkilled? she did vote every cycle and had at least 1 most every 48 hours imo? Yeah there's no reason to modkill her, correct. She's doing the bare minimum to survive this game. How is that at this point not scummy? I remember Palmar voting me D2 and his general behaviour is atrocious IF he is present. ES, Skynx, Palmar, x feels solid | ||
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On June 23 2017 21:23 disformation wrote: a) i dont care about unflipped associations at all b) skynx was voting when palmar had 1 vote on him, as you can see in the voting thread Okay, granted. That doesn't exactly change the fact that Skynx is scum though. | ||
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Except it's the other way around. What exactly is your problem here? I had Skynx as scum from last day already; nothing changed, of course I proceed to vote him, especially since he voted me. I love how you say something just for the sake of having said something | ||
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When he's in thread, he's always discussing stuff but never reaches a solid conclusion. He's not giving much information about where he stands and it is super hard to even identify who he reads how. I fully retract my townread right now, especially given that sicklucker claimed a red check on Chez (although as parity cop, this is only possible if he checked Xata N1 which is super possible and super likely, too) | ||
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he didnt get a third one because we just passed N3 meh probability wise, that means chez and ff are town. it's unlikely that sicklucker checked into mafia two times in a row. | ||
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On June 23 2017 22:14 Chezitwo wrote: You Sir are once again talking straight out of your ass. You Sir Fucktard are a arrogant fuck that deserves a spanking. | ||
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On June 23 2017 22:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: Come on btdt. sicklucker basically claimed chez and ff are the same alignment. So they are town. On June 23 2017 22:14 beentheredonethat wrote: ah right he didnt get a third one because we just passed N3 meh probability wise, that means chez and ff are town. it's unlikely that sicklucker checked into mafia two times in a row. yeah I missed that there wasn't a third check. This game kills my brain cells slowly but surely. | ||
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On June 23 2017 22:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also we are not flipping either of them. Period. We're flipping Skynx. Or Eversince. Or Palmar. But preferrably, Skynx. | ||
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On June 23 2017 22:26 disformation wrote: well. havent reread rayn yet. but if va, fefe, chezi, rayn and me are town... that really points to the afk/trolls. *points at Skynx, Eversince, Palmar, BH/Ruxxar I think this is solved | ||
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On June 23 2017 22:35 disformation wrote: you forgot about tw oh right but he's all on Palmar and I think that's good | ||
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On June 23 2017 22:44 ruXxar wrote: as for btdt, I think he's just not reading the game at all. He's just looking at a score sheet without follwing the game. I can't trust any of his reads or theories. Is that coming from the guy who does the weird things that don't make sense all the time ever since D1 happened? Yeah that's exactly the guy. | ||
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On June 23 2017 22:45 ruXxar wrote: Skynx I want to say is town. I felt his reaction was genuine when I pissed him off. THAT'S SO SUPER BULLSHIT LOL | ||
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On June 23 2017 22:46 ruXxar wrote: Sure, but this is beyond bad: That's actually a decent piece of work which is flawed. And so we talked about it. There is that slight difference in "hey, that's false, let's discuss" and "this is a piece of shit" | ||
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On June 23 2017 23:06 ruXxar wrote: I'm saying I can't trust any of his reads, not that he is mafia. That's so super fishy I am one of the most active persons in the game. I fell of a bit but I am trying to contribute as good as I can. So a) you can take what I bring up, not trust it but at least draw your own conclusions or b) dismiss what I bring up without reacting to it. This is ignorance and doesn't bring us any way further. It feels like you're coasting super hardcore. | ||
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On June 23 2017 23:21 ruXxar wrote: I could lynch TW. I could lynch Eversince. I could lynch Palmar. Disfo is ?? BTDT is ?? Maybe 1 mafia between Rels - Rayn (BH?), but all are active so most likely no lynch today. Fefe, Chez, Va, Skynx town. If you want more details you'll have to wait until later. Gotta finish my work. I don't understand how you do not trust my reads but pull Eversince and Palmar out of my scum list and are super happy to lynch them. And the double question marks on disfo - like WTF either you townread him by now due to sheer effort put into the game OR you scumread him for being still alive or whatever reasons you have but there's no way you have a null on disfo. same on me - you say you don't trust my reads but you're not pushing me, nor are you townreading me. | ||
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On June 23 2017 23:26 ruXxar wrote: You think you're the first person to think up this novel idea that they look scummy? That they haven't looked scummy all game? Come on, you are better than that. I am fairly certain that I am the only one continuesly scumreading them since N2/D3. Might be my own perception but this is where thoughts began to form in my had. Why do you have "??" on disfo and me? | ||
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I can buy that. Why is Fecalfeast still 100% town? ##vote Tumblewood | ||
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On June 23 2017 10:05 Tumblewood wrote: what kind of crazy land are you living in where a 3-4 man team misses their night actions If Tumble flips read I'm pretty sure this is exactly what happened last night :D | ||
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On June 25 2017 03:21 ruXxar wrote: Next I want to lynch palmar. Nah Skynx On June 25 2017 03:02 disformation wrote: skynx could you explain that in a bit more detail? and why did rels get to be town again: Look at this super sweed soft bus here. Flipped scum, town town town, town/scum. | ||
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VA (Vig claim) ES (Tracker claim) There was more confirmed town by the ES claimed but I forgot, please help me out. I think one of Rels/Ruxxar is scum. It just makes sense that one scummer is in who's active in the thread while the rest hides/hid in the afk pile. The afk pile has drastically been reduced, which is great, and Tumble's flip kinda confirms to me that the scum team is super low volume. I think Ruxxar looks actually worse than Rels but this is completely based on gut. We should always lynch Skynx or 3-page-Palmar here, no questions asked. I think we have 2 or 3 mislynches left now that Tumble flipped. Mafia has 1KP, we even have a jailkeeper in. We're in a super position . | ||
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except if ES faked the tracks and bussed TW and we don't have a tracker at all, only a jailkeeper that was fooled. no. | ||
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On June 26 2017 17:57 disformation wrote: even for the peasants that lynch the scum rb you mean? =D but whatever. less setup more scum hunting. two ways to defuse a bomb by cutting one of two cables a) guess b) use your brain and knowledge guessing is 50:50, brain and knowledge is probably 90:10 or something We got super lucky that we caught the scum RB early on and look at the waffling and the mislynches that happened after. This is a blue's game, without VA flipping SL and SL flipping parity cop we wouldn't have the situation we're in. Basically, VA killed a blue and it was the best thing to happen | ||
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On June 26 2017 19:14 Palmar wrote: Holy shit does beentheredonethat's filter look bad when considering Xatalos. Two random comments with no meat on them and no real attempt to lynch the guy he's calling superbad and disappearing. Instead, when df offers a wagon on Xatalos, it's instead met with (weak) resistance: Read the entire quote that follows. On what level are btdt's contributions helpful or insightful at all. And through it all, btdt sits on Koshi, despite thinking koshi looks better and Xata worse: btdt ended the day as a single random vote on Koshi instead of trying to kill his scumread. Then he bitched about it in the night: Maybe should have done something about that? I think there is about 100% chance btdt is mafia ##Vote beentheredonethat I'm not done with his filter, but this day 1 looks very much terrible. I was getting paranoid that I was being to lenient because like the first 4 people I read actually look like townies, but this guy doesn't look like a townie at all on first glance. Please give me reasons why I should townread him if anyone has any. To me this is almost a good enough case on it's own. You're super misrepresenting my D1. You paint me saying "Koshi looks better" but like 2 posts later, I retract that and say "nope, he doesn't". This is actually me being townie since reconsidering and reevaluating are town traits. You also interpret me talking about Xata as scummy which is super bullshit because I pretty much jumped on a lot of people. My whole D1 revolves around poking players, saying something about them, while focusing and settling on Koshi. You are painting a picture that is simply - false. Basically, what Palmar is doing here is: 1. go to QT, say "meh, so many confirmed towns, we need 2-3 mislynches to win, so lets try btdt" 2. skynx is all happy about that 3. scrap together a "case" from a random, lazy filter dive that's super poor and I'm glad you tell the world you're scum. ##vote Palmar Palmar/Skynx are both scum. 120%. | ||
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On June 26 2017 18:41 Palmar wrote: Just read VA's filter. He's probably not mafia. Small chance of 3p obviously (just for having a killing role), but in general I don't think I have much interest in lynching him. While his filter is short it doesn't really scream mafia to me. Do take my reads with a grain of salt btw, I am less involved than usual. Super hard to say about a claimed role that he's probably not mafia. | ||
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On June 26 2017 18:52 Palmar wrote: I haven't finished ES's filter, but there's a few things here. 1) I read it right after VA's, because I kinda liked VA's "scummiest thing is to break character" line. But now I don't understand it. I have no idea what character ES was breaking. 2) ES made a big case on Xatalos. It probably wasn't needed I think? So there's a chance it was created just to appear to do something. 3) In that case I see Xatalos tried to fakeclaim a check on disformation. The only reason I'm suspicious of this being distancing rather than just a desperate clinging to straws, is that if I was on the mafia team, I'd immediately shoot a town disformation the next night, just to get rid of his activity and the fact a flipped mafia "spewed" him town. However, it is important to note I would _never_ suppose we try to lynch disfo at this point. If he is mafia, we simply look for the other two mafia. His sheer activity is too much to justify basically ever lynching him. And he is, even if you can question it, spewed town by Xatalos. 4) ES doesn't really sound like mafia. I don't read his posts and come across thinking he's overly careful or reserved. In conclusion, unless I run out of people to lynch, I am removing ES, VA and Disfo from the lynch list today. (There's no way I'm reading Disfo's filter). The cheapest town reads in the game, overexlained. | ||
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On June 26 2017 19:03 Palmar wrote: I'm gonna give rayn's filter a pause (I've maybe read bottom 20-30% of it) and read btdt. "I'll stop trying to create a fake case on rayn and instead fake case btdt because that might be easier" | ||
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On June 26 2017 19:19 Palmar wrote: He never voted Xata on day 1. I'm gonna wait for someone who knows more about the game to tell me why I can be wrong. But honestly, this is like a 100% mafia case under any normal circumstances. I'm just slightly unsure because of my complete lack of reading. btw, to summarize my game-state (I'm taking a break), it's currently at this: Good reasons to think town Disfo VA ES Some reasons to think town rayn ruxxar Good reasons to think mafia btdt Unread/No opinion Rels Skynx (lingering townlean from earlier reading) Blazinghand FecalFeast Prime example for "uhhhh guys this guy is scum but I don't wanna commit because if he flips town, well, guys, don't lynch me for that" | ||
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On June 26 2017 19:19 Palmar wrote: He never voted Xata on day 1. I'm gonna wait for someone who knows more about the game to tell me why I can be wrong. But honestly, this is like a 100% mafia case under any normal circumstances. I'm just slightly unsure because of my complete lack of reading. btw, to summarize my game-state (I'm taking a break), it's currently at this: Good reasons to think town Disfo VA ES Some reasons to think town rayn ruxxar Good reasons to think mafia btdt Unread/No opinion Rels Skynx (lingering townlean from earlier reading) Blazinghand FecalFeast What a coincidence Even overexplaining the Skynx read. | ||
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On June 26 2017 21:04 Palmar wrote: because I'm a lot less mafia than he is. Like I'm only mafia a very little bit. Mostly I'm town. My spirit animal is grass. Because it's green. You haven't participated in the game until the very moment you are under serious pressure and the tides for the scum team are turning. That is the very definiton of lurky scum and if you get away with this and/or the game, I will nominate every single person that is townsided in this game for the worst town performance 2017 and potentially OAT even. | ||
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On June 26 2017 22:25 disformation wrote: well btdt the problem in: is that you go like "oh koshi looks better... still good vote" so you kinda look like you are reevaluating... but arent really. you also didnt really explain what you disliked in koshis filter outside of 2 bad posts you point out very early, that 1 "rage" post and general meta. so it is overall a very hard to grasp read Here I say Koshi looks better: On June 15 2017 17:49 beentheredonethat wrote: Good morning. It's a bank holiday today in Germany and I am spending it with my GF on a wandering tour. I'll probably be in front of a computer in the evening if at all. I skimmed everything besides the last two pages. Koshi looks better, Xata worse. Ruxxar weird. My mind screamed TOWN when I read rayns big post but I didn't like that he disappeared right after. Hf still town. Disfo not town anymore because rayn made me paranoid. Thats kind of where im at. And here I say Koshi doesn't look better: On June 16 2017 02:04 beentheredonethat wrote: This is the thing why I don't buy Koshi's "rage" by the way. Like, when you start a big sentence, people will remember the first and the last thing you said and not the whole rest. The structure used here is "I am obvious town", then blabla reasons "just because", followed up by "you're so fucking blind it's hilarious". Koshi shouldn't put emphasis on WHAT he is. He will always claim town, as anyone would, regardless of actual alignment. But instead, he yells "I AM TOWN", puts the reasoning (which is the IMPORTANT part) right between two seemingly emotional statements I have caught Koshi already as scum D1 and I'm fairly confident here. When I skimmed this morning he looked better but I just skimmed. so, yeah. my vote is good where it's at. You can clearly see: 1. btdt comes into the thread, has caught up the last pages, and gives his impression on things. There is no in-depth thought process involved, it's just a light-hearted "hey guys, this is where I'm at" 2. btdt comes back into the thread, having invested more thoughts, having reconsidered Koshi. btdt explains why Koshi is not looking better although btdt said he looked better. I don't know why exactly this is bad. | ||
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On June 26 2017 22:30 disformation wrote: also a tad too much omgus. and if skynx and palmar are scum together, skynx jumping on the just like that looks a tad suspicious, no? Skynx and Palmar are both voting me. But Skynx thinks Palmar is scum. Note how Skynx prefers to lynch the guy who scumreads him over the guy who's scum-but-not-really-scum-reading him. | ||
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On June 26 2017 22:42 disformation wrote: ah. i think i get it now. there was a bunch of time in between the posts. so i didnt grasp the connection. but since there were like 8h between the posts. why didnt you switch votes? if xata looks worse and koshi better, wouldn't xata be #1 scum and koshi #2? even if you later decide to have been wrong on koshi looking better. Well originally I planned to be around somewhat prior to EoD. I obviously wasn't and my gf may or may not have something to do with that. | ||
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On June 26 2017 22:43 disformation wrote: aight noted. if you are town there is a good chance you have at least 1 scummer on you. 2. If I'm lynched and these two are not auto'ed the next two days, my postgame gif game will make you all bleed | ||
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On June 26 2017 22:47 disformation wrote: nah i mean between: and: are like 8 hours. first was around 11 am, second one 19 pm. why didnt you switch after thinking koshi looked better, but before thinking he still looks very scummy. Because I think that my top scum read looking better after a superficial thread-skimming session without focus on my top scum read is not enough to vote someone else, especially given the timing of my post and the more-than-enough-time that was still available until EoD. | ||
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That's not funny considering the amount of mislynches we have left. We have like what, 2 or 3? I don't see the fun here and I'd prefer if you could not only side with Palmar here (the guy you want to lynch, hurrdurr, forgot already?). | ||
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On June 26 2017 23:11 disformation wrote: possible. and not even unlikely. and what exactly is the "but" you refuse to say openly? | ||
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On June 28 2017 03:16 Palmar wrote: lynch btdt, it is good. If you wouldn't want to lynch me, who would it be | ||
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On June 28 2017 03:40 beentheredonethat wrote: If you wouldn't want to lynch me, who would it be On June 28 2017 03:15 Palmar wrote: well I gotta go. Strength of reads from town to scum: (but take with a grain of salt if I flip, I am after all only slightly involved). VA/ES/disfo Skynx/rayn ruxxar/Rels Blazinghand fecalfeast btdt | ||
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I'm not sure why you jump onto yourself being lynchbait I think you aren't | ||
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a) put FF on the town pile and believe that he admitting he's not playing at all is honest or b) lynch FF because we have all reasons in the world to do so that's the world he's painting apparently | ||
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On June 28 2017 04:40 Fecalfeast wrote: I promise that if I make it to lylo i will play as hard as I can. Filter diving and all You do agree with me that this is like not exactly the best of all promises | ||
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On June 28 2017 07:27 Fecalfeast wrote: So bdtd disappeared after it was clear palmar was the lynch orr what I always disappear before deadline because it's fucking 0.30 in EU times but I got homeoffice tomorrow so I'm fine | ||
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1. shennanies on Rels 2. "uh oh btdt is away" but btdt is never around at deadline is that an attempt to avert a Palmar lynch? because it feels like an attetmpt to avert a Palmar lynch. | ||
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On June 28 2017 07:30 Fecalfeast wrote: So am I scum for calling myself lynchbait or what? I think I said rather clearly what the possible scenarios are a) you're town without proof or indication b) you're scum without proof or indication you're saying "hey I didn't read and I don't play and I'm all surface" ... so yeah of course you're supposed to be lynched before lylo :/ but you're not in my scum list so for me, you're a) | ||
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On June 28 2017 07:37 Blazinghand wrote: Yes, it is literally true that shenannies on Rels would prevent an Palmar lynch today. Is this supposed to be some kind of har-dhitting question? "oh, what a 'gotcha'! the guy who talked briefly about not lynching Palmar was considering not lynching Palmar!" it's one point and another point = a pattern | ||
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##vote Rels Skynx still on Palmar I'm actually okay with these shennanies | ||
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you know what ##unvote ##vote Palmar Look at Skynx jumping back on me | ||
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super easy: Skynx: btdt is scum Skynx realizes: no traction, and people still townread btdt Skynx waffles, hedges, says at some point "meh btdt is town" And the very minute I do something that doesn't match the pattern, he comes back on me. I'm super locked on Palmar/Skynx. | ||
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and I am 100% scum now flip, scum, so we can get this over | ||
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On June 28 2017 08:15 Skynx wrote: I didn't switch mainly cuz i believed Palmar can pull that kind of play as scum, i could see your logic. nah you didn't switch because you're scum with Rels you had the hammer and were content voting with me | ||
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On June 28 2017 16:13 ruXxar wrote: Btdt, explain something to me. You think that skynx is scum. Skynx is voting for palmar. You are voting for palmar. You switch to rels and now skynx calls you scum. Now you are even more sure that skynx is scum. You switch your vote back to palmar, once again voting together with your 100% scum read skynx. How does that make any sense? My whole stance back then was Skynx and Palmar being a team, mainly because both were pushing me and denying me being obvious town. So when I realized "dude, I got the hammer", I hammered Rels, because Skynx was super happy with voting Palmar. I expected Skynx to INSTANTLY retract his super weird town thing he had on me and he did, so I was super fine switching back to Palmar. I thought Skynx is bussing and Palmar is confirmed scum at this point. Had I switched to Rels, I would have gained 0 informaton about Skynx/Palmar - and a Palmar red flip would've confirmed Skynx as super redredred. Game isn't as easy as I thought, it's probably Skynx and Rels plus x. | ||
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I think it's time you stop throwing accusations around and instead start playing the game. You're being toxic, uncontributive and overall you're lacking arguments. Ohhh wait you're scum :D you'll never do these things | ||
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1. His top scumread (me) was in thread and weilding the hammer 2. He was in thread and was SUPER CONTENT in just watching Palmar die 3. He was perfectly capable of flipping Rels but decided to instead let the Palmar lynch pass Skynx was super under radar when things were great for scum. Skynx only started "playing" (more like "yelling btdt is scum") after the claims happened and scum got under a lot of pressure. He never chose to answer any questions, and he didn't even consider anyone outside of btdt and thread sentiment targets (i.e. Palmar). There's literally no way this guy is not scum and I have just confirmed him EoD | ||
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Except I am 1. pushing people 2. putting in effort and work 3. scumhunting I might be toxic at times but I do invest quite a lot in this game and contrary to you (one more day of waffling over Palmar), I actually have the balls to have scumreads outside of "everyone agrees with me"-snowflake-world | ||
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Talking about words-to-content ratio, I think you have the worst stats here. I can quote some super amazing, in-depth post series such as On June 28 2017 07:03 disformation wrote: lol On June 28 2017 06:59 disformation wrote: lol wat? On June 28 2017 07:02 disformation wrote: yeah.think my brain went offline half an hour ago. will try to sleep. sry fam On June 28 2017 06:57 disformation wrote: i just want to sleep at any time, mr. 50-page-filter | ||
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and with "people" I mean you | ||
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and you're like "yo btdt you suck" wtf | ||
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[i]skynx' top scum read got the hammer and he let it pass | ||
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On June 28 2017 17:17 disformation wrote: great, trying to piss me off on purpose again? working pretty good i have to admit. btw i think you are very very likely scum for yesterdays eod. in a tvt world you didnt give a fuck about palmar/rels alignment and just based your shit on skynx. which is unflipped association, as you just admitted last page. in a svt world you decided to not bus your partner after all and just picked some random bs reason to switch votes. like your whole fucking explanation for yesterday is skynx skynx skynx skynx and you didnt give a shit about palmar or rels. SERIOUSLY? YOU STARTED THIS SHIT WITH "HEY HAVE A MIRROR" REALLY? | ||
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On June 28 2017 17:17 disformation wrote: great, trying to piss me off on purpose again? working pretty good i have to admit. btw i think you are very very likely scum for yesterdays eod. in a tvt world you didnt give a fuck about palmar/rels alignment and just based your shit on skynx. which is unflipped association, as you just admitted last page. in a svt world you decided to not bus your partner after all and just picked some random bs reason to switch votes. like your whole fucking explanation for yesterday is skynx skynx skynx skynx and you didnt give a shit about palmar or rels. Except you're ignoring my reasons to a) scumread Skynx b) switch to Rels and back to Palmar :D you can't possibly be so bad can you | ||
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On June 28 2017 17:20 disformation wrote: yes because you are toxic as all hell and call skynx who is in contrast to you chill as hell toxic? what the fuck dude? cant you scum read ppl without ad hom or what? Of course I can scum read people without ad hom I fucking did so all last day long with Skynx but d'oh, nobody cared and now I have to deal with shitty skynx coming in on EoD, retracting his "OH BTDT IS TOWN NOONE CAN'T BE SO STUPID" AD HOM TOWN READ ON ME and going into the "BTDT IS SCUM" without any reasons direction????? SKynx needs to die if this game is ever supposed to calm down and be reasonable again | ||
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On June 28 2017 17:22 disformation wrote: "So when I realized "dude, I got the hammer", I hammered Rels, because Skynx was super happy with voting Palmar. I expected Skynx to INSTANTLY retract his super weird town thing he had on me and he did, so I was super fine switching back to Palmar. " that has nothing to do with either rels or palmar. it is just skynx Yes and I've been over Skynx for the last a12391231237210312 real life days because the guy is obvious scum If thread says "yo lets lynch Palmar" and I agree that Palmar has a good chance of flipping scum (partially because he's like "MEH BTDT IS SCUM" and ALSO refuses to give actual reasons and ALSO refuses to actually play the game, like, he's freely admitting to not having done jack shit yet he dares dropping scum reads what is this bullshit!!!!!!) and I can see them being together, especially with Skynx beig early (bus cred but not hammering) on his potential teammate Palmar, then OF COURSE I DO EVERYTHING BASED ON ME SCUMREADING SKYNX because I am not as locked on anything else than on skynx being scum except you being -- yeah. | ||
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1. He voted Xata D1, position 3, JUST LIKE TODAY: potential bus cred but not hammer 2. He was not playing the game during the Xata lynch, so he kept himself out of the line of fire when everyone (probably town only) went over everyone 3. He was one of the last on the Xata wagon, although he was super early D1 - yeah you can explain that with "uhh not in thread" but this is clearly lurking scum being hesistant on killing RB 3. Once the claim game happened, he popped up, only to put shade on one of the few players that hadn't been checked AND were seemingly low-hanging fruits for scum (me, Palmar) 4. He voted sicklucker, and remember, scum had a rolecop! He voted together with Rels who he now refused to hammer ALTHOUGH his top scumread just hammered Palmar!!!!! 5. When we all lynched Tumble, guess who was AGAIN late to do it? Right. His complete voting behaviour yells scum. There's so much more I have already brought up. | ||
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On June 28 2017 17:31 disformation wrote: why not rels btw? you have him in your poe apparently but the last read before that on rels has him as town. Admittedly because I haven't read his filter; and I tend to townread active people. | ||
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On June 28 2017 17:33 disformation wrote: and i can understand skynx revoking his tr on you for this voteswitching stuff. i.e. i can see skynx eod coming from a town pov. yours not. I love your arguments. I love the plethora of reasons. It's like watching a Trump speech, where he ignores every single argument and every single fact that people (me) have delivered. He says "we'll build a wall and Mexico will pay for it". You have basically ignored my Skynx read and now you heavily side with him. You're either the worst town I have seen in my entire career of playing mafia or you're scum. | ||
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On June 28 2017 17:32 beentheredonethat wrote: Skynx being scum explains literally everything that has happened in this game. 1. He voted Xata D1, position 3, JUST LIKE TODAY: potential bus cred but not hammer 2. He was not playing the game during the Xata lynch, so he kept himself out of the line of fire when everyone (probably town only) went over everyone 3. He was one of the last on the Xata wagon, although he was super early D1 - yeah you can explain that with "uhh not in thread" but this is clearly lurking scum being hesistant on killing RB 3. Once the claim game happened, he popped up, only to put shade on one of the few players that hadn't been checked AND were seemingly low-hanging fruits for scum (me, Palmar) 4. He voted sicklucker, and remember, scum had a rolecop! He voted together with Rels who he now refused to hammer ALTHOUGH his top scumread just hammered Palmar!!!!! 5. When we all lynched Tumble, guess who was AGAIN late to do it? Right. His complete voting behaviour yells scum. There's so much more I have already brought up. "yours not" - dismissed by master detective disformation | ||
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I want to see one scum player that is as aggressively fighting and as open about his thoughts, mistakes and reads as I am. I have no idea how Skynx can read me scum and I think disfo's "read" on me is bullshit OMGUS. | ||
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On June 28 2017 17:40 disformation wrote: i just went through your filter until page like 13 and was looking for reasons you sr skynx. found only unflipped associations and that skynx has not much filter. even wanted to lynch es for that. yikes man. well. if you have stuff that is not unflipped associations or filter, ill gladly listen. and i will give you this point, which is indeed a problem with skynx: he simply fell of super damn hard after D1. starting on last page of my filter, gong back in the past: On June 28 2017 17:32 beentheredonethat wrote: Skynx being scum explains literally everything that has happened in this game. 1. He voted Xata D1, position 3, JUST LIKE TODAY: potential bus cred but not hammer 2. He was not playing the game during the Xata lynch, so he kept himself out of the line of fire when everyone (probably town only) went over everyone 3. He was one of the last on the Xata wagon, although he was super early D1 - yeah you can explain that with "uhh not in thread" but this is clearly lurking scum being hesistant on killing RB 3. Once the claim game happened, he popped up, only to put shade on one of the few players that hadn't been checked AND were seemingly low-hanging fruits for scum (me, Palmar) 4. He voted sicklucker, and remember, scum had a rolecop! He voted together with Rels who he now refused to hammer ALTHOUGH his top scumread just hammered Palmar!!!!! 5. When we all lynched Tumble, guess who was AGAIN late to do it? Right. His complete voting behaviour yells scum. There's so much more I have already brought up. On June 28 2017 07:59 beentheredonethat wrote: super easy: Skynx: btdt is scum Skynx realizes: no traction, and people still townread btdt Skynx waffles, hedges, says at some point "meh btdt is town" And the very minute I do something that doesn't match the pattern, he comes back on me. I'm super locked on Palmar/Skynx. On June 28 2017 17:10 beentheredonethat wrote: Like, Skynx pretty much confirmed himself as scum: 1. His top scumread (me) was in thread and weilding the hammer 2. He was in thread and was SUPER CONTENT in just watching Palmar die 3. He was perfectly capable of flipping Rels but decided to instead let the Palmar lynch pass Skynx was super under radar when things were great for scum. Skynx only started "playing" (more like "yelling btdt is scum") after the claims happened and scum got under a lot of pressure. He never chose to answer any questions, and he didn't even consider anyone outside of btdt and thread sentiment targets (i.e. Palmar). There's literally no way this guy is not scum and I have just confirmed him EoD On June 26 2017 22:36 beentheredonethat wrote: Skynx and Palmar are both voting me. But Skynx thinks Palmar is scum. Note how Skynx prefers to lynch the guy who scumreads him over the guy who's scum-but-not-really-scum-reading him. On June 25 2017 03:24 beentheredonethat wrote: Nah Skynx Look at this super sweed soft bus here. Flipped scum, town town town, town/scum. On June 26 2017 17:16 beentheredonethat wrote: It's super weird that you put super scummy skynx on your "meeeeehhh town" list at the super bottom and want to see me flip. It just doesn't make sense. It should be exactly the other way round although I'm expecting you to townread me correctly. On June 23 2017 21:17 beentheredonethat wrote: I hope you guys realize that Skynx is voting outside of Palmar so if Palmar is scum we have one more thing on the huge pile of reasons for why Skynx is scum On June 22 2017 18:48 beentheredonethat wrote: Observations: 1 Pretty much uncontested Grack wagon 2 Votes in hammer range on town: Tumblewood, sicklucker, Blazinghand 3 Irrelevant votes: raynpelikoneet, Palmar (starting with Rayn as hammer because Fecalfeast was originally part of the Grack wagon) 4 "Counter wagon" votes: Rels, Skynx, Chezitwo 5 Wasted votes: disformation, (Fecalfeast) re: 1) Having an uncontested wagon where no big discussion is revolving around pretty much means it's a town wagon. However, I think there was actually a lot of discussion in the past day, especially started by Rels. I am town reading Rels right now; he came out of the lurker shadows to actually talk. I also like his fighting with rayn and I'm super worried about rayn not being the town super hero that pushes people around. So Rels up, rayn down, although I gotta admit I haven't looked too deeply into the fight these two have. My association between Skynx and Grack was obviously wrong. Nevertheless I find it super suspicious that Skynx chimed in, threw around some shade, later on pissed off, let the Grack lynch happen without really putting in work to push the sicklucker lynch. I am sure that there is scum on the Grack wagon and I am fairly certain that not all scummers are on that wagon; and Skynx' vote feels off. We have two mislynches as someone pointed out; so a vig shot (if available) gets more and more risky - but Skynx is a decent target. But I'm super super super afraid here. Scum pool: Skynx, Eversince (voted super late each time) Town should be: disformation (mehhhhhhhh, and only if he doesn't die this night lol, and town rage), Chezitwo (mainly based on D2), Rels (based on D3) Meh: Palmar, Tumblewood, Blazinghand, ruxxar, Fecalfeast, VayneAuthority, sicklucker, rayn I hope I didn't forget anyone. re: 2) These three players were basically the ones who sealed the Grack lynch: Tumblewood, sicklucker, Blazinghand. All of them will be moved to the scum pool for that: Scum pool: Skynx, Eversince, Tumblewood, sicklucker, Blazinghand Town should be: disformation, Chezitwo, Rels Meh: Palmar, ruxxar, Fecalfeast, VayneAuthority, rayn So without further ado, they come into the scum pool. re: 3) Same as 2), can just be scum chiming in. Scum pool: Skynx, Eversince, Tumblewood, sicklucker, Blazinghand, Palmar, rayn Town should be: disformation, Chezitwo, Rels Meh: ruxxar, Fecalfeast, VayneAuthority re: 4) Rels pushing sicklucker matches what he did all D2. I don't think that this is scum pushing a second town wagon here. So if Rels would be scum, then sicklucker would most likely also be scum and we have a bus attempt to get town cred, which IMHO is a rather bad and useless bus because there's no way Rels gains towncred from this vote if sicklucker flips scum at any point. Skynx' vote on the other hand isn't as solid als Rels' vote. He not voting Grack (although he did say something about voting Grack, or am I wrong there?) is actually scum indicative here as he pretty much wasted his vote, putting it on unflipped instead of townflip. I'm certain Skynx is scum. Chezitwo voting sicklucker - mehhhhhhhhhhhhh. Given how super eager he was to lynch Xata over Xata's cop claim, I don't know why he voted sicklucker here and kinda wasted his vote. I need to check the context of that vote as well as the reasoning. NAI imho but I'm not too sure. I don't have too many townreads so I'll keep him on the list "just cause" but I am indeed a bit paranoid. re: 5) The only thing that comes to my mind is that disfo said early D3 that he'd end up voting Grackaroni anyways. Not sure what to make out of that but it striked me as weird. On June 22 2017 19:14 beentheredonethat wrote: Consider a serious defense please. 1) Why didn't you push disfo? 2) Why vote sicklucker over Rels? 3) Why vote sicklucker when you're okay with Grack as well and Grack is the clear wagon here? 4) Why pretend you don't understand that I scumread you when we already engaged D3 on such points? 5) Why put out a lazy-ass case on VA, then completely ignore VA? 6) Why are you okay with Grack being lynched when there's noone against it AND Grack is scumreading the guy you cased (VA)? Of course those are very hard to understand points when you're scum, I wouldn't want to have all those points raised against me, too. On June 22 2017 19:15 beentheredonethat wrote: There are so many things wrong with your behaviour, your pushes, your votes, your everything. Skynx is 100% scum. On June 22 2017 21:02 beentheredonethat wrote: That's as good as posting baby seals tbh On June 21 2017 19:03 beentheredonethat wrote: grack reads VA scum. VA reads grack scum. VA also has the same doubts towards Fecal as I do and he associates that scumread with Grack. coming fresh off of his filter, I think it's safe to assume VA is town here. I'll retract if Grack/Fecal flip town. On June 21 2017 19:07 beentheredonethat wrote: Skynx is also super hard disagreeing with VA so I think we got something here. I don't think both are scum together. so t/t or t/s and I'd say the scum is on Skynx' side here On June 21 2017 19:10 beentheredonethat wrote: And that makes me think Grack is scum with Skynx and Rels is town. In a world where VA is town and scumreads Grack and Fecalfeast, with Skynx HEAVILY disagreeing with VA on Fecalfeast BUT being "okay" with a Grack lynch BUT voting Rels instead, I can see Skynx being scum with Grack. Get the town cred from saying "I'm okay with that", throw in a bunch of everyone-else ("I have no idea who's town"), and proceed to vote someone who's not your scum teammate but who is currently also in discussion of the thread. That would meet the Xata vote, too, because it was exactly the kind of bussing I'd expect from scum. On June 21 2017 19:14 beentheredonethat wrote: This is also the very definition of a lazy case. it goes against a low volume poster (lynchbaaaait), it puts together lots of quote with few conclusions, and it misconstructs the read progression IMHO. and that's from like 3 minutes of work | ||
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On June 28 2017 17:46 Skynx wrote: Shhhhhhhh... just let it go Aahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahaha | ||
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You cannot give one because you don't have one. Keep up the videos, scum. | ||
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On June 28 2017 17:50 Skynx wrote: So you scumreading me for not townreading you cuz you're obvious town. Then you bait me by shennanying off your top scumread. And when i sr you again for your incredibly town maneuver, you sr me back??? GOOD THING YOU ASK because it's in my filter and OH WHAT A COINCIDENCE I have just put in the work that YOU (and disfo) should put in and I have quoted some of the posts where I explain why you're scum get out mafia | ||
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On June 24 2017 00:17 Eversince wrote: I don't know if SL was trolling or trying to sugarcoat his cookie crumbs. SL called FF/Chez both redchecks. SL didn't check FF though. He checked TW/Chez. I'm working on the assumption of, how can you confidently townread TW at the point SL does? Let alone call him 100% confirmed town in the way SL does? It only makes sense if his result came back different. Because Chez is auto mafia in SL's mind from D1. Ah shit I'm dumb | ||
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On June 28 2017 17:56 Skynx wrote: I'll try, here is one: And be my guest: But you do realize that you fulfill that very bolded sentence by bolding that sentence and adding nothing to it? | ||
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On June 28 2017 17:59 Skynx wrote: Not really. Implication is that you're acting like everything you claim me to be in bolded. You're posting videos and refuse to play the game, that's toxic. You say that I act in a certain way but refuse to put up any reasons. You pretend this is why you're scumreading me while you said previously "hey, this guy's so bad he cannot be scum". I call that toxic - and wait, I actually provide a reason I'm leaving the thead now. I'm not gonna discuss stuff with most likely two scummers that are working heavily on me getting myself modkilled by insulting people | ||
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On June 28 2017 18:03 Skynx wrote: Btdt lets be honest here. None of your yesterday actions are town, including you not voting Palmar or me for 1.5 daylengths long when you already 100% believe we're both scum since start of the day. My reaction to your switch is town. You are shennanying off your top scumread. In addition I am scumreading Palmar 100%, if i dont sr you for saving a scum, wtf i even do? You scumreading me for it is not town. It just doesn't makes sense. Thats why half of the game went wtf over it and you gona have a hard time convincing anyone. Me not voting Palmar would only make sense if Palmar is my scum buddy but d'oh he wasn't "You are shennanying off your top scumread" - no I'm not. I toyed with you, baited your reaction, then hammered Palmar - who is only my second top scumread because you are my top scum read. You are scumreading Palmar 100% but you're perfectly fine with your other scumread to vote Palmar and this doesn't give you a bad feeling at all? Of course I am scumreading you here. And "half of the game went wtf over it" is once more a representation. it's you and disfo. and everyone else has either not played yet or is lurking and super happy about what is happening here. So many lies in so few sentences you're scum. this game is super ez. | ||
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Rayn, disfo, go eat a dick. Skynx just yolo-voted me. There is no explanation. This guy is all abusing that my reads were wrong. Which is a town trait. It's just super amazing how you jump on me, completely ignoring how scummy Skynx is. This is the worst town I've ever played with and I am probably never going to sign up for a game anymore. What is happening here is like Trump election: a majority of dumbasses following a guy who a) lied b) put on false accusation c) is refusing to answer solid and decent questions d) comes in and plays ONLY to push me e) comes in and plays ONLY if thread revolves around me f) is super scummy I will tell you how this game is going to be: You will 1. lynch me. Realize "oh shit, he's town" once I flip. 2. You will then cry about how fucked up btdt's play has been and it's all btdt's fault 3. You will then proceed to lynch Rels who probably is town 4. You will then proceed to mislynch another townie because you all chose to townread Skynx at the very moment you put your vote on me 5. You will then realize "oh game over" and you will give kudos to Skynx as scum mvp You will also say "wow, disformation, it's amazing how you can have that level of activity although you're scum, fucking well played bro". You will of course yell at BH because "your dumb shenanigans made us mislynch btdt". | ||
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On June 29 2017 01:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't really need to read anything more about it. Basically btdt thinks both Palmar and Skynx are mafia. He thinks Skynx is bussing Palmar and his conclusion is that he switches to Rels to bait Skynx into switching OFF from bussing! Basically btdt wanted to give Skynx ammo to lynch a non-scumread (or lesser scumread) rather than being fine with Skynx bussing his top scumread. There is no way a townie does that. I didn't want to bait Skynx into voting Rels. I wanted to see his reaction on me switching. I expected scum!Skynx to: 1. yell at btdt because "why are you switching off your scumread" 2. potentially switch back to Rels as soon as I went back onto scum!Palmar Skynx hammering Rels, saving his Palmar buddy who he bussed before would've been the best confirmation to get there. Shame though that apparently, Skynx is scum with Palmar and I just gave him the best excuse to a) push me and b) not push Rels any time soon. From mafia perspective, my play makes absolutely zero sense. If I were scum, I would be super content in not being around at deadline and let the shennanies pass. I have full information as scum. If Palmar is scum, I'd hope and pray for people hammering Rels, if Rels was scum, I wouldn't switch at all and instead let everything pass as-is, since I have all the reasons in the world to be on Palmar. If both wagons are town, I could just sit back and let BH do whatever he wants because no matter which wagon is gonna flip, I have a super ez mislynch to push the next day. There is literally no. NO. way that people read a scummy behaviour into what I did. My play would maybe be scummy if Rels was scum. I can see that happen. But Rels hasn't flipped, and disfo, the not-fan of unflipped associations, votes with Skynx, the not-giver of reasons, together with rayn, who had a townlean OR ignored me all game long. This is super fishy and you guys should super realize that. During NIGHT phase, thread sentiment changes against me, even with Ruxxar joining. It doesn't make sense. If you auto on me without even a counter wagon (and I would recommend Skynx being the fucking counter wagon here), then there's no way you'll gain any valuable information from me flipping not red. | ||
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So my bait is "ok, I will switch to Rels, because the story Skynx' is painting is that btdt is scum ALTHOUGH he's voting Palmar (plot twist: while saying that I'm scum because I'm voting Palmar and not him, same applies to him voting palmar over me ffs). So as soon as I switch to Rels, Skynx will jump on me because that's what he's painting." Skynx doesn't care and never cared about Palmar. He was super fine with the lynch and the reasons he gave for lynching Palmar were either poor OR nonexistant because all Skyx did was hedging about me being scum. Everyone following SKYNX is either a super dumbass or scum, that's like the whole black/white vote there is. | ||
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On June 29 2017 19:38 ruXxar wrote: Btdt, why do you vote together with skynx, when you are so certain he is mafia? Because I was sure he was bussing Palmar. The Palmar lynch was almost auto. | ||
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On June 29 2017 19:42 disformation wrote: not understanding how i am following skynx when the reason i am voting you is your eod as I pointed out in the nightphase. *shrugs* Semantics over "why I do what Skynx want" | ||
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On June 29 2017 19:46 Skynx wrote: I'm not gona grace this farce with a long enough answer. I cased scum D1, literally created the train along with DF. TW was in my scumpool since D1. Your stuff on me always being middle pack in votes doesn't makes sense & doesn't make me scum. When Grack vs sl happened, you stuff on me saying I never tried to push for sl lynch against grack doesn't make me scum. I scumread both. I called out sl eod1, grack later. I am town. I tried to case other people best I could, then someone tells me 'whats the point of you doing this?' then i give up this game, thats human reaction to time you spend not being appreciated. That is your only valid argument against me that 'I'm not even playing'. Go ahead try to lynch me for that. That really makes me scum. You on the other hand I never said the bolded. You are scum because you have never scumhunted, you are toxic, you mislead stuff (like here). That is what i said, you didn't vote anyone for 36 hours while being apparently convinced that we're 100% scum. This doesn't makes sense. Scumreading me for scumreading you for you did what you did doesn't makes sense. You are scum. This I'm quitting stuff also isn't convincing. When nearly everyone (not just me & disfo) (another misleading) scumreads you for what you did, they are not insane, you're probably just mafia instead.+ Show Spoiler + On June 28 2017 13:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: The fuck did i just read? On June 28 2017 16:13 ruXxar wrote: Btdt, explain something to me. You think that skynx is scum. Skynx is voting for palmar. You are voting for palmar. You switch to rels and now skynx calls you scum. Now you are even more sure that skynx is scum. You switch your vote back to palmar, once again voting together with your 100% scum read skynx. How does that make any sense? On June 28 2017 17:33 disformation wrote: and i can understand skynx revoking his tr on you for this voteswitching stuff. i.e. i can see skynx eod coming from a town pov. yours not. I said nearly everyone, cuz guess who is missing there. Rels being around on EoD just appears to be completely ignored your actions. Hope your last partner is hidden well otherwise you might just aswell concede now. Of COURSE you said the bolded. You said it EoD, you scumread me for that exact reason lol. I am scumhunting all game long, I have found you. You're probably scum with Rels. There's no way you're town at this point anymore, you are mis-representing what I say, you are putting together thread sentiment quotes on literally one single thing. So if everyone agrees my eod was scummy, ok fine, I guess it wasn't the smartest move to make what I did then. Nevertheless the intention behind what I did was to confirm you. I never planned to not lynch Palmar, all I did was switching to Rels to check specifically your reaction. The fact that five people (counting your contextless quotes) jump on that gives me two conclusions: a) what I did can very well be done from town perspective b) what I did can very well be done from scum perspective because if EVERYONE agrees on something, then you have scum agreeing on something, too, and in your list is one or more scummers but hey you know the good news? We agree on Rels flipping scum and we agreed on Palmar being scum, right? So yeah it's kinda confirmed Rels is town because you are scum, Skynx, and all you have going for yourself is a "bus" D1, You sheeped df, it wasn't even your original thought process. | ||
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On June 29 2017 22:33 disformation wrote: putting words in my mouth is not going to help you. lol disformation I'm so gonna laugh at your post game sentences | ||
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On June 29 2017 22:37 disformation wrote: like some of your points on skynx arent bad, but i still can see his d1 come from town and a bunch of his other posts def. have a town feel to them. i even understand him not wanting to answer your questions, because talking to you is a huge pain in the ass. meanwhile in your camp: If you quote something and highlight something, the next step to take is "draw a conclusion" I think that's what you do every five pages or so | ||
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You ignore the Rels wagon at this point You ignore points about Skynx You ignore points that other brought about other players My play around EoD makes you auto this day on me, without showing willingness to even re-evaluate. Like, you call Skynx out for not explaining his vote on me, for the ninja, and you ignore that he throws another lazy-ass explanation, doesn't even remotely care about what else is going on? Like, if I flip town, what are you gonna do, Skynx? Lynch Rels? Or what? You should even fucking consider Rels being town because I don't have 100% knowledge of the game but guess who has, yeah right, the guy who is "btdt is scum" since 2 days without any reasons | ||
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On June 29 2017 22:37 disformation wrote: like some of your points on skynx arent bad, but i still can see his d1 come from town and a bunch of his other posts def. have a town feel to them. i even understand him not wanting to answer your questions, because talking to you is a huge pain in the ass. meanwhile in your camp: Like if you bold this shit than you should bold as well the fucking context but you can of course choose what to read, what to highlight, and what to explain this is skynx/disfo/rels lynch the fuck out of these guys as soon as I flip | ||
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but that witch hunter after btdt is just so amazingly bad there IS NO REASON TO SCUMREAD ME, DISFORMATION, AND YOU SAID IT SOME TIMES ALREADY, SAME AS RUXXAR, SAME AS FUCKING SKYNX YET SOMEHOW, A PLAY THAT I DID, CONCIOUSLY, TO FIND SCUM, MAKES ME SCUM? HOW CAN YOU ALL COME TO THAT CONCLUSION? HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE? | ||
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On June 29 2017 22:44 disformation wrote: *sigh* 1. I didn't want to bait Skynx into voting Rels. 2. I expected scum!Skynx to: 2. potentially switch back to Rels as soon as I went back onto scum!Palmar 3. Skynx hammering Rels, so you didnt want to bait skynx into voting rels, but you expected him to vote and hammer rels. which means you were okay with someone you didnt really sr to be the lynch. which means you are scum, cause that is absolutely not a scum thought process. shouldnt need to point out that the bold sentences directly contradict each other. ill give you that this shit makes not much sense from a scum pov, but it is horribly scummy and basically impossible to come from town. given your play the whole game and shit ill give like an 75% chance of being scum and a 25% chance of being a toxic ass, making you a 100% good lynch. and yes that 75% is currently the hightest scum chance i am giving out, which is why i am voting you. Nah. You're simply not understanding what I'm saying. More clear: 1. I didn't want to bait Skynx into voting Rels. 2. I expected scum!Skynx to: 2. potentially switch back to Rels as soon as I went back onto scum!Palmar It wasn't a "bait" with "please bite and maybe I gain something". It was an expectation. I was 100% sure that Skynx would save his scumbuddy Palmar by hammering Rels. Because he could always go back and blame BH for this. I don't know how you can understand this in the way you construct it to be understood | ||
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On June 29 2017 22:47 disformation wrote: because those posts where the scummiest fucking posts in the whole thread? Except they weren't????? Even the outcome is the fucking same. If I had done NOTHING, palmar would've flipped nevertheless. And OHHHH Palmar flipped. Same outcome. EVERYTHING THAT IS SAID ABOUT THAT BEING SCUMMY is either SUPERBAD or an abosloutely misconstructed lie. | ||
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On June 29 2017 22:50 disformation wrote: so that just means you were expecting a rels lynch from that play. who you didnt even properly scum read. like this makes it even worse. How does this make it worse? I expect my scum read to hammer a town wagon to save his scumread. That's what I expect. How is that making it worse? HOW FUCKIUNFG HOW FUCKING TELL ME THAT | ||
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On June 29 2017 22:50 disformation wrote: no. if skynx had switched with you rels would have been the lynch. even if you switched back Yeah because everyone had the hammer. Every single vote at this point was decisive. If Skynx had switched with me, Rels would've flipped as town and boom we have Skynx and Palmar confirmed as fucking scummers congrats you understood what I wanted to achieve | ||
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On June 29 2017 22:52 disformation wrote: BECAUSE YOU ARE WILLINGLY LET SOMEONE FLIP WHO IS NOT A SCUMREAD OF YOURS YES AND I DO IT TO CONFIRM PALMAR AND SKYNX WHAT IS SO HARD ABOUT THAT | ||
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BUT DISFORMATION DOESNT LIKE UNFLIPPED AASSOCIATIONS RIGHT EXCEPT WHEN IT COMES FROM FUCKING SKYNX | ||
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On June 29 2017 22:54 disformation wrote: which unflipped association? i am lynching you because you did scummy shit. this is bullshit you're lynching me because it's scum agenda. you ignore my asnswers, you ignore what I do AND you're totrally okay with Skynx saying "yeah Rels is scum with btdt" Because this SHOULD terigger you, you've been all over unflipped associations being bad and this was a huge reason why dyou discarded what I said about skynx BUT you ignore it when skynx says it you're so super duper scum with skynx no way you arent | ||
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On June 29 2017 19:46 Skynx wrote: I'm not gona grace this farce with a long enough answer. I cased scum D1, literally created the train along with DF. TW was in my scumpool since D1. Your stuff on me always being middle pack in votes doesn't makes sense & doesn't make me scum. When Grack vs sl happened, you stuff on me saying I never tried to push for sl lynch against grack doesn't make me scum. I scumread both. I called out sl eod1, grack later. I am town. I tried to case other people best I could, then someone tells me 'whats the point of you doing this?' then i give up this game, thats human reaction to time you spend not being appreciated. That is your only valid argument against me that 'I'm not even playing'. Go ahead try to lynch me for that. That really makes me scum. You on the other hand I never said the bolded. You are scum because you have never scumhunted, you are toxic, you mislead stuff (like here). That is what i said, you didn't vote anyone for 36 hours while being apparently convinced that we're 100% scum. This doesn't makes sense. Scumreading me for scumreading you for you did what you did doesn't makes sense. You are scum. This I'm quitting stuff also isn't convincing. When nearly everyone (not just me & disfo) (another misleading) scumreads you for what you did, they are not insane, you're probably just mafia instead.+ Show Spoiler + On June 28 2017 13:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: The fuck did i just read? On June 28 2017 16:13 ruXxar wrote: Btdt, explain something to me. You think that skynx is scum. Skynx is voting for palmar. You are voting for palmar. You switch to rels and now skynx calls you scum. Now you are even more sure that skynx is scum. You switch your vote back to palmar, once again voting together with your 100% scum read skynx. How does that make any sense? On June 28 2017 17:33 disformation wrote: and i can understand skynx revoking his tr on you for this voteswitching stuff. i.e. i can see skynx eod coming from a town pov. yours not. I said nearly everyone, cuz guess who is missing there. Rels being around on EoD just appears to be completely ignored your actions. Hope your last partner is hidden well otherwise you might just aswell concede now. there you have it but ofc you ignore it and also he's freely asdmitting that he has no idea what the last partner is like "if the last partner is hidden" what is this sentence??? If he's town he should have a good idea about scum being hidden or scum being under pressure but APPRANTELY HE DOESNT | ||
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that's super bullshit you're making the cheap, thread sentimenty vote because your not even willing to consider anything besides me. You lynched Grack, you lynched Palmar, you now lynch me, that's three townies you follow the thread in a row there's no need to case you you're all doing it on your own. | ||
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on the contrary I actually have balls and my own thoughts and I dare to do something because I am not scum who is always in danger of getting caught I said 10000 times I should be conftown by now but apparently everyone townreads 50+ pages disformation over me ALL THE WHILE saying that activity is no alignment indicator rofl | ||
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On June 29 2017 23:18 disformation wrote: @VA: any sort of comment on whats going on, or a case on rels or anything? WHY RELS WHY NOT ME HOLY WHAT ARE YOU | ||
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On June 29 2017 23:21 disformation wrote: or convince me that skynx is scum. or you town. or anything everyone note that disformation finally stopped waffling and took a decision and everyone rejoice because it's like the wrongest decision possible | ||
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On June 29 2017 23:27 disformation wrote: see. now i am a point again, where i have to assume you are scum, because i dont want to life in a world where town gets away with such asshole behavior. didnt shoot me and try to tilt me because I have a record of doing stupid shit? This is exactly what's happening and the stupid shit is you voting me but you served your own meal so enjoy it | ||
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On June 29 2017 23:32 disformation wrote: oh nearly forgot you were the one who wanted to lynch me over the scum rb. "superior" all right. WHICH IS THE TECHNICALLY CORRECT PLAY TO MAKE I'll not speak with you anymore for the complete duration of this game it's useless | ||
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Skynx is scum. There is no doubt about that anymore, so we basically have to check the remaining players because two more need to be found. Disformation has a solid chance of flipping red, so does Rels - but I have made wrong decisions already and we pretty much cannot afford any yolo mislynches. Once I find the passion to do that, I will try to filter dive and make the most out of the day. In the meantime, I'm encouraging everyone to vote Skynx. | ||
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Rayn, who thus far either ignored OR townread me, was the first one to vote me. That strikes me as odd, I remember him being rather vocal over other players. I expect rayn to heavily reconsider here and look at the explanations I provided and the insights on why I did vote at EoD. Ruxxar and Blazinghand have chosen to not play right now but I think we can let that pass as it's currently EU time. Or is it? Nevertheless, I'd expect especially Blazinghand to talk way more about what his shenanigans brought up because they were planned, after all. | ||
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On June 29 2017 23:50 disformation wrote: ... "im not talking to you anymore" "continues to low key insult me" classy. Shhh, our fight is over. Please do not enforce it. I will no longer quote you or relate to what you're writing from now on. | ||
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On June 20 2017 00:56 disformation wrote: but yeah i would guess something like: 1 of gf//framer 1 rb 1 of strongarm/strongman or rolecop rest goons On June 20 2017 00:55 disformation wrote: uh lets see... rolecop. scum vigi... but then we would be missing a kp. strongarm/strongman, basically a scum vig that only works on a blue role. framer or gf. busdriver? not sure. can there be a scum doc? that would be really really nasty though, so i guess not likely? I just solved the game | ||
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I have Xata, no visit N1 (wanted to confirm the vig if one was in, no result), I have ruxxar N2 (didnt believe his "bait" on xata, no result), N3 disfo (no visit), VA N4 (no visit) There is 100% strongarm in. It was used on sicklucker after the roleblocker found out his role. Chezitwo was the target of the regular KP. VA fake claimed. Of course no counter claim because no vig in. Disformation slipped a TMI. VA/Disfo and I am probably wrong on Skynx because I've been wrong on everything thus far. | ||
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and my checks weren't horrible. I yelled for a vig shot on Xata because I had a good chance to confirm the vig if only he had shot. And watching Ruxxar was actually a misunderstanding about how my role worked, I thought I also get info when he moves like a tracker, I've never seen this role previously | ||
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On June 26 2017 00:07 VayneAuthority wrote: yes, im only 1 shot vig to clarify so essentially a VT now hurr durr this is why? | ||
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Tracker Watcher Parity Cop Veteran vs. Roleblocker Rolecop Framer GF Goon plus Strongarm. Potentially with more unaware millers. | ||
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On June 30 2017 00:17 Rels wrote: ##Vote beentheredonethat Don't think you can convince me this makes sense. But let's talk This is a wrong vote. Don't get confused by the setup speculation of disformation. Tracker, watcher and parity cop (plus the occasional vet) is super okay as long as scum has enough roles to get away with everything - and scum having strongarm is the only possible explanation for the sicklucker flip. Remember they have full information and drunk sicklucker was all about claiming investigations at night. I think they took it for face value and shot. And who's great at taking things at face value? Right, disformation. Remember his D1, where is already believed SL's claim, only to retract that later. This is a very possible scenario. VA being scum also explains what has happened so far: town was all about killing itself off, with disformation being the active scummer in the pack. VA, disformation, plus some mid tier activity player. We can actually draw some lines here: If disfo is scum #2 (>90% chance at this point), then - Rels, BH, Skynx, rayn (super suspicious jump on me early), Ruxxar, Fecal is the lynchable pool then. Whoa harsh. | ||
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Plus, there's this little host slip: 22) Makes it super possible that there is also a scum tracker instead of goon. Why write "town" tracker instead? | ||
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On June 30 2017 00:45 beentheredonethat wrote: Also, disformation's setup speculation leaves out the fact that there have been double KP for scum involved. So it actually makes a lot of sense that town has quite a lot of investigatives. Plus, there's this little host slip: 22) Makes it super possible that there is also a scum tracker instead of goon. Why write "town" tracker instead? EBWOP | ||
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I cannot do much more than claim my role if I post my PM, I'm gonna get modkilled but I'm so salty that I think I'll just do it | ||
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On June 30 2017 04:42 ruXxar wrote: Written more clearly. 1) We've had a night kill every night. 2) We have a veteran that requires 2 shots. How do we get 1 kill a night without a vigi? Strooooongman | ||
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On June 30 2017 04:51 Fecalfeast wrote: There's 27 hours left in the day and you give up? I'm not giving up. I'm just saying I'm fine with being lynched because I confirmed VA as scum with my claim. | ||
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On June 30 2017 05:50 Blazinghand wrote: According to the internet, strongman is a role that, when it delivers mafia's KPs, pierce night protections. Can be multishot or one-shot. The premise BTDT here is that Mafia shoot SL normally, then shot Chezitwo with strongman delivering it, I'm guessing. Seems like bullshit to me. do you really pretend to not know what a strongman is 3rd scum spotted | ||
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It's clearly tmi and once I flip, you better lynch the guy with fire. | ||
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On June 30 2017 15:41 disformation wrote: what happened to va and skynx eh? you were 1000% sure on skynx to a point were you do insane shit eod and suddenly you drop that read and its va and me. that also reminds me that there is another problem with your claim. will post soon when i have more time. VA is confirmed scum Oo because there's way a vig is in. Strongman explains all the kills. VA being scum with you makes Skynx super unlikely at this point and although my points are valid, I'm absolutely okay with dropping him. You haven't even understood my argumentation nor the implications of my claim or wait ou probably have but you're scum :DDDD so ... Yeah, still not talking to disformation. | ||
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On June 30 2017 17:09 disformation wrote: according to the first sentence he apparently thought that: parity cop tracker watcher vigi jk vet sounds like a legit setup. dont think he has hosted a large yet, but i think he hosted enough games to know that is bs. HOLY DON'T YOU REALIZE THAT VA DID A FAKECLAIM PRETENDING TO BE VIG HAVING SHOT SL WHEN WHAT HAPPENED IN REALITY WAS A STRONGARM ON SL AND A KP ON VETERAN CHEZ HOLYMOLY YOU CAN'T POSSIBLY BE THAT BLIND, DEAF, AND ABSOLUTELY UNWILLING TO EVEN CONSIDER THAT YOU WERE THE ONE BRINGING UP THE STRONGMAN YOU WERE THE ONE SPECULTING ABOUT SETUP ALL NIGHT LONG YOU ARE THE ONE WHO IS NOW MISLEADING THE THREAD YOU ARE SO SUPER SCUM IT'S NOT EVEN REMOTELY POSSIBLE YOU ARE TOWN AT THIS POINT BECAUSE THE LEVEL OF ACTIVE MISGUIDANCE IS JUST BEYOND THE REALMS AND POSSIBILITY OF REALITY I AM WATCHER AND I HAVE CLEARLY EXPLAINED WHAT I DID AND WHY I DID IT AND YOU ARE ONCE MORE LYNCHING THE FUCKING INVESTIGATIVE BLUE ROLE OVER THE SCUM ******** THAT DID NOTHING ALL GAME, HAS UP TO NOW LIKE FOUR PAGES OF FILTER, DOESN'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT THIS GAME AND IS SUPER OCNTENT IN SITTING ON HIS FAKE VIG CLAIM YES THAT IS VA BUT YOURE NOT EVEN BOTHERING IN TAKING THE POSSIBILITY INTO ACCOUN THAT I AM SAYING THE TRUTH BECAUSE FOR SOME SUPER WEIRD REASON EVERONY IS LIKE "OHHHHH BTDT IS SO SUPER SCUM LOOK AT HIS EOD WHICH IS ABSOFUCKINGLUTELY BULLSHIT AND I HAVE NEVER SEEN A MORE STUPID CONCLUSION IN MY ENTIRE LIFE THIS IS THE WORST THIS IS THE ABSOLUTEY WORST AND I'LL LEAVE TL MAFIA AFTER THIS BECAUSE THIS IS PURE IRRATIONAL MADNESS AND THERE'S NO WAY THAT A GAME WILL BE REMOTELY DRIVEN BY RATIONAL THOUGHTS AS LONG AS THESE SUPER WEIRD CONLCUSIONS HAPPEN AND AS LONG AS TOWN IS WILLING TO LET SCUM DRIVE THIS GAME HOLY FUCKING MOLY | ||
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PLAYING THIS GAME FEELS LIKE 100000 scum VS BTDT TOWN SUCH AN AMAZINGLY BAD GAME I CANNOT EVEN PROCESS WHAT IS HAPPENING | ||
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THIS IS VA, DISFORMATION, RELS AND IT HAS NEVER BEEN EASIER TO REALIZE AND YOU GUYS SHOULD BE ALL OVER LYNCHING THESE THREE BUT YOU AREN'T BECAUSE YOU GOT YOUR PANTS ON YOUR HEADS AND YOU'RE DIZZIED BY A 50000 PAGE FILTER OF DISFORMATION WHO CLAIMS TO BE TILTET THIS GUY IS IN NO WAY TILTED HE'S JSUT PRETENDING HIS RAGE AND HE'S CONTINUEING TO POKE AND DO SHIT | ||
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On June 30 2017 18:48 beentheredonethat wrote: HOLY DON'T YOU REALIZE THAT VA DID A FAKECLAIM PRETENDING TO BE VIG HAVING SHOT SL WHEN WHAT HAPPENED IN REALITY WAS A STRONGARM ON SL AND A KP ON VETERAN CHEZ HOLYMOLY YOU CAN'T POSSIBLY BE THAT BLIND, DEAF, AND ABSOLUTELY UNWILLING TO EVEN CONSIDER THAT YOU WERE THE ONE BRINGING UP THE STRONGMAN YOU WERE THE ONE SPECULTING ABOUT SETUP ALL NIGHT LONG YOU ARE THE ONE WHO IS NOW MISLEADING THE THREAD YOU ARE SO SUPER SCUM IT'S NOT EVEN REMOTELY POSSIBLE YOU ARE TOWN AT THIS POINT BECAUSE THE LEVEL OF ACTIVE MISGUIDANCE IS JUST BEYOND THE REALMS AND POSSIBILITY OF REALITY I AM WATCHER AND I HAVE CLEARLY EXPLAINED WHAT I DID AND WHY I DID IT AND YOU ARE ONCE MORE LYNCHING THE FUCKING INVESTIGATIVE BLUE ROLE OVER THE SCUM ******** THAT DID NOTHING ALL GAME, HAS UP TO NOW LIKE FOUR PAGES OF FILTER, DOESN'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT THIS GAME AND IS SUPER OCNTENT IN SITTING ON HIS FAKE VIG CLAIM YES THAT IS VA BUT YOURE NOT EVEN BOTHERING IN TAKING THE POSSIBILITY INTO ACCOUN THAT I AM SAYING THE TRUTH BECAUSE FOR SOME SUPER WEIRD REASON EVERONY IS LIKE "OHHHHH BTDT IS SO SUPER SCUM LOOK AT HIS EOD WHICH IS ABSOFUCKINGLUTELY BULLSHIT AND I HAVE NEVER SEEN A MORE STUPID CONCLUSION IN MY ENTIRE LIFE THIS IS THE WORST THIS IS THE ABSOLUTEY WORST AND I'LL LEAVE TL MAFIA AFTER THIS BECAUSE THIS IS PURE IRRATIONAL MADNESS AND THERE'S NO WAY THAT A GAME WILL BE REMOTELY DRIVEN BY RATIONAL THOUGHTS AS LONG AS THESE SUPER WEIRD CONLCUSIONS HAPPEN AND AS LONG AS TOWN IS WILLING TO LET SCUM DRIVE THIS GAME HOLY FUCKING MOLY ALSO EVERYON READ THIS SHIT AND DON'T LISTEN TO DISFORMATION WHO'S IGNORING THE WHOLE MECHANICS ALTHOUGH HE IS THE ONE SPECULATING ALL THE TIME ABOUT IT ITMI TMI TMI TMI TMI TMI TMI TMI TMI LYNCH THE FUCK OUT OF THE GUY | ||
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if someone claimed Watcher, saying "hey, Vig shot was a fake claim", what would you do? Right, vote Rels VA .. | ||
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See this is why this town is so shitty. Literally the worst. I do expect carry points and apologies post game because with my flip, you confirm two scummers you'll kiss my buttcheeks once the game is over | ||
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On July 01 2017 00:41 ruXxar wrote: There's more than enough material here to vote for you. The meta was just to satisfy my last bit of doubt. that's like so bad I got mislynched D1 and received Worst Town Play 2017 award nomination I got mislynched in my last game because I yelled at people and was as fearless as I am in this game if you'd put in the fucking work you'd realize im exactly playing to my town meta if you'd put in tthe fucking work you'd realize my scum meta is where I am rational, cold, and super tactical if only you'd put in the fucking work if only your brain would be capable of doing that but it's not sad sad sad town | ||
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On July 01 2017 00:43 ruXxar wrote: How about you build a solid case on people we should lynch instead of you. So far I'm not convinced. okay, so you haven't even read what I wrote. VA is a fake claim. Fake. Claim. There's a strongman in. VA claimed to have shot sicklucker but scum rolecopped and strongmaned sicklucker. no kp happened besides that because roleblocker down and chez was attacked. Remember, chez = vet, so they had to shoot twice but we STILL HAD ONE KP EACH NIGHT disfo with the strongman TMI is scum all the way, he speculated all game long about that and derailed the thread quite heavily with it. VA has 4 pages of filter and has not read the game nor did he participate; all he did was claiming vig and that's it. Lurky scum. Disfo is the active scum. and then there's one more of course. | ||
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On July 01 2017 00:45 disformation wrote: well there was this one themed game. disfo town. btdt scum. first he tried to get me to tilt. then later send me a msg (via game mechanic) and claims cop with a green check on me to me. i cover for him with a lie about the message when some townies were looking angrily at him. because of the lie he thinks the hosts screwed over his plan with that message and ragequits for a cycle. in the end he won for bussing a team mate very hard. though he also fake claimed a cop with a fake red check as vt in a newbie game. yep, that last part got the doc and me lynched. This is not really what happened. I averted those townies on my own and I didn't have too much specific pressure on me. You were just buying it all day and night long and never believed I was scum. As I said in the beginning of the game, it's super easy to pocket you and the fact that I raged all game long in your direction should be a huge towntell to you. Especially since I'm not tilting you. We're kinda grinding against each other until we (mainly I) explode. That's a huge difference. | ||
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Ok I got mislynched D1 and received Worst Town Play 2017 award nomination I got mislynched in my last game because I yelled at people and was as fearless as I am in this game down to the facts go check them | ||
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Okay. You got one chance. I am right now ready to talk to you. If you choose to say "um. wat?" to me instead of an actual reply, I'll stop that straight away. I don't need a discussion to escalate once more with a scum disformation who isn't really interested in in-depth discussions anayways. Your choice. | ||
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On July 01 2017 00:50 disformation wrote: dude you are insulting me left and right on daily basis starting like day 3? where are you not trying your hardest to tilt me? We discuss things. Your reactions clearly show that your wrong and you are scumreading me for cheap reasons. At some point you even dropped the weak points you had prior to last EoD and relied solely on my per se not scummy EoD to vote me. You interpret me in the worst way possible and you do not even consider the possibility that I am town. It is super hard for me to discuss against that brick wall since I know I'm quite the insecure person when it comes down to my own mafia capabilities. I do not think I'm a good player but I didn't want to be all whiney about that like I was in the newbie game because that got me mislynched. I think my decisions for my actions where decent and I am refusing to not think so. I put my own ingame life at risk (well, unknowingly) because I was sure Skynx would make a mistake and confirm himself as scum. If I hadn't taken that risk, I'd be fine and dandy. I'd probably be discussing a Rels lynch right now and I guess I'd still be tunneled on Skynx. | ||
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I didn't know about the Star Wars game so it's entirely possible that disfo is town, after all. I gotta admit that besides VA, I am not sure about anyone anymore. Maybe the correct approach to this game is to fully reset after I flipped. Completely reset, go back through my filter, read my checks, and see if you get any intel out of them. Town has been wrong ever since Xata flipped. We should ask questions like - Who didn't care at all about the Grack lynch? Who let it happen? - Who disappears for the majority of time and only comes back when it's somewhat needed to push the threads slightly into a certain direction? Like, don't go for "this is scummy" anymore and then chop up the specific situation until everyone is raged. Instead, re-read the game. Go back to Grack flip, read the day from then on. Maybe even earlier. Maybe Ruxxar didn't "bait scum" like he claimed when he unvoted Xata. Maybe he tried to not vote scum and in case he would've gained traction, he could've saved scum RB. There are lots and lots of hints in this game. Maybe even in Tumblewood's filter. Use them. | ||
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On July 01 2017 00:54 ruXxar wrote: Ok, so this is my view of the world. There is a strongman in the scum. Chez is veteran, needs 2kp to die. Mafia has 2kp first two nights, 2 towns die each night. Day 3 SL is nk. Day 4 Chez is nk. Chez is veteran. VA claims vigi, shot SL. 1 mafia kp is missing. Next night chez died, all mafia kp is accounted for. Can you explain your version in the same way. Explain it like I'm a 5 year old. Day 3, Mafia has only 1 KP left. And they have Strongarm, a mechanic that allows them to kill a blue through all protection, an additional, one-time KP. What happens in the night phase is: 1. Mafia attack Chez with the regular KP 2. Mafia, who had rolecopped sicklucker previously, used Strongman on Sicklucker. Chez survives the night, some players rejoice and go as far as thanking scum for the seeming KP because "the kill didn't make sense at all from scum perspective". This is the very moment of VA. VA, who had not participated in the game in any way before yet somehow managed to always cast his vote (Note: he was D1 outside of Xata/Annul, but D2 super early on the Grack wagon AND he joined BH's shenanigans (or voted Rels even before that, I didn't check timestamps)). VA takes the risk and claims Vigilante, 1-shot. And remember, a vig is a investigative role after all. There is no vig in, though. It's a fakeclaim, and because no vig is in, nobody bothered with it. But the setup is: * Watcher * Parity Cop * Town Tracker * Veteran vs. * Scum Tracker * Rolecop * Roleblocker * Framer? * GF/Untrackable? Plus the additional KP and the Strongman. To limit the power of the investigatives, at least one (Koshi) unaware Miller is in, maybe even more, plus the unaware Wanderer (darthfoley), maybe even more. This is the setup. Only uncertainty are the remaining scum roles. | ||
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On July 01 2017 01:15 Fecalfeast wrote: Are you seriously still using the bunk logic that the host slipped by saying town tracker? Yeah but I agree it's no must On July 01 2017 01:18 Fecalfeast wrote: You're also.claiming that there are 6 mafia since you added the strongman after your list of 5 Strongman = additional KP, not a role On July 01 2017 01:49 ruXxar wrote: Another thing. If you were so sure that VA is mafia, why didn't you push him as scum before you claimed watcher? Why wait until you claimed watcher to start pushing VA? Suddenly after you claim you are 100% super sure that VA fake claimed. But you had that exact same information the moment that Chez flipped as veteran. Why didn't you push VA earlier? I only realized today that this was a possibility. And since I'm Watcher, an ADDITIONAL blue doesn't make sense, so his claim must be fake since ES is confirmed by flip. | ||
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On July 01 2017 01:59 ruXxar wrote: Can you explain why VA can't simply be the vigi? Because Watcher Tracker Vet Vig Parity Cop Would be imbalanced. | ||
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On July 01 2017 02:31 Fecalfeast wrote: So why is it a strongman and not a scum vig btdt? In your world you haven't even considered that That's a good point I'm mainly in the strongman world because disfo is all over it and I think it's a TMI slip scum vig would make total sense, with the chance of a scum tracker to find potential vig targets faster? the double KP is what I don't understand in the equation yet | ||
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On July 01 2017 02:15 ruXxar wrote: Wouldn't you say it makes less sense to have 2 "tracker roles" than a vigi and a tracker role? I think that's what the wanderer is in for, and maybe we have more than one wanderer. Makes the game more swingy I guess but it's definitely possible. | ||
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On July 01 2017 02:22 Fecalfeast wrote: Where are you getting that the strongman is an additional kp not a role? I'm not making any sense of thisnl stuff That's my understanding of Strongman. On July 01 2017 02:27 ruXxar wrote: This is what I got from mafia wiki: Strongman is a role modifier that signifies that any kills performed by this player cannot be blocked by any means - neither by Bulletproof, nor by Doctor or other protective roles, nor by Roleblocks. It is, however, trumped by roles that prevent the victim from being targeted at all, namely Commuter and Hider. Nowhere does it say that gives the player additional KP. From the same source: "Usually, One-Shot Strongman kills are put into the game to balance a potentially broken combination in the game." It makes perfect sense that scum has one additional KP to get rid of a blue role they discovered. Thing is: if Strongman is not additional KP, then VA's claim is the only explanation for having a KP every night AND Chez flipping Vet. QED -> Strongman additional KP. | ||
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On July 01 2017 03:05 ruXxar wrote: "Usually, One-Shot Strongman kills are put into the game to balance a potentially broken combination in the game." It means that you have the strongman ability for 1 kill, not that you get 1 KP. In a world where VA is the real vig, no strongarm is in. In a world where VA is a fake claim, a strongarm is in and it is an additional KP because it is literally the only explanation for Chez flipping vet AND every night having exactly one death after the initial two nights with double kp. | ||
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If you do not believe me here, no problem, as long as you lynch VA with fire after I flip blue. | ||
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If you lynch me, you'll be in lylo with like one mislynch left? or none even? and you still got people like Rels on the list whose alignment is by far not clear. And even disformation isn't locked scum once I flip (although chances are pretty high). | ||
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On July 01 2017 02:24 disformation wrote: okay cupcakes lets cake some cups what is that to be supposed to then: esp. after i mentioned earlier this game that i absolutely hate ppl saying i did nothing. nice adise. i think you had more good advise today: cause so far today you have spent nearly all time yelling at people, insulting people, faking a claim, appealing to emotion a bit and dropped all reads today. well, beside me and va. You said a few times that i am not willing to reconsider and stuff. but wait what is this: and then i proceeded to look at the setup and at your claimed actions and came to the realization that you are 100% fake claiming. which brings me to the setup you are claiming: now let me put out my hosting balance notes, again: in btdt's world we have: parity cop tracker watcher so in the mechanical worst case for scum: n1: watcher finds 1st scum tracker finds 2nd scum n2: watcher finds 3rd scum tracker finds 4th scum parity cop finds 5th scum all 5 scum found start of d3. so unless 1eg and hats made an unbalance game on purpose, it is impossible for btdt to be a watcher. i also got these very notes from hats and i find it unlikely she would put on a setup like that. i conclude you are scum that tried to get out of pressure by fake claiming and messed up hard. and i dont see any reason to vote anyone else. I think we can absolutely agree that my play hasn't been the most polite of all. But when shit catches fire, that's how I react. I do prefer the aggressiveness way over passive play, and you need to acknowledge that the last time I raged as scum, it was genuine rage and I quit the game for quite some time. I absolutely don't rage as scum. On the contrary, I tend to be lurky as scum, I'm not a game driver by any means. As town however, I'm super careless because 1) that is a town trait, 2) I don't need to fear any investigation night or day, 3) having "wrong" reads is completely okay, I am allowed to do that and only scum has perfect information. So it is super frustrating for me to get scumread for things and moves that I deem to be super good, especially (and yes, partially that's my own fault) if it happens in a harsh way. Like Skynx saying I'm town by saying "wow this is so fucked up so stupid this cannot possibly come from scum", same was expressed by ruxxar(? or rayn?, don't recall exactly). I think I yell at you, disfo, because I expected you as the most active person in this game to either agree with me or at least put up a reasonable discussion about what is happening. Regarding the setup speculations and the host notes that you're putting up: when it comes to balance, there are super different opinions around. I sent my setups for Generic II to Kitaman and Foolishness for balance approval and I received different answers. Then, it's entirely possible for Onegu to have a setup and HtS nodding to that with maybe some adjustions - but you cannot possibly know which adjustions were taken. If you boil it down to "The setup you say it is, btdt, is not a setup I believe in", then you need to realize that you are biased in your decision and your opinion is preformed. Your following someone who is a) not in the game b) has no possibility to confirm/deny what you assume and c) it is potentially outdated. You don't even know what "large" exactly is defined at, a large game can be anything outside of the 13 player mini setup up to the 123213players, I don't know the maximum. My setup is not only balanced, it also explains why we had a sicklucker flip. It all matches, the pieces go together flawlessly: the rolecop, the strongman, the claim, it's 100% the world we live in. The hardest question for me right now is if disfo is indeed the scum I think he is for the TMI or if he is indeed the town I want him to be for sheer efforts. | ||
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But why is this very unlikely? It is exactly the world that brings us to the situation we're in, KP wise, and it also explains why the majority of wagons was pretty clearly on town and the majority of discussions never had a clear target. Town revolving all around itself with scum only executing drive-by posts if need be and besides that, leaning back and laughing heavily. | ||
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Make sure in a worst case scenario, the entire mafia team cannot get confirmed the first night (for a 3-player scumteam) or the first two nights (for a 5-player scumteam assuming a mislynch day 1 and 2." In a world with Watcher, Tracker, Parity Cop as investigatives, can you please show me how the worst case scenario would confirm the 5 player scum team? I'll try on my own: The parity cop needs a flip to confirm a player. So his target N1 is town, N2 is scum, and the target N1 dies D2. That means 1 lynch is on town to confirm one scum. That means the lynch D1 must be on scum. 1 scum confirmed D1 by lynch. 1 scum confirmed D2 by Parity Cop 1 scum confirmed N1 by Watcher OR Tracker (KP carry) 1 scum confirmed N2 by Watcher OR Tracker (KP carry) 1 scum confirmed D2 by lynch. That would be 5 confirmed scum within 2 days, if * town would use both lynches to guess into people INSTEAD OF lynching confirmed scum * tracker and watcher would hit either the KP target twice in a row OR the KP carrier twice in a row * tracker and watcher dodge wanderer, parity cop dodges miller AND.. wait, parity cop NEEDS a town flipped to actually confirm scum alignment so how are people confirmed that fast? | ||
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That makes you town but doesn't change the fact I'm watcher :/ | ||
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I'm also offline now, going to sleep. So my last words basically are: I want to wholeheartedly apologize for all the toxicity, insults and what not I did in this game. I am seriously sorry for that. GG's | ||
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On July 01 2017 06:35 beentheredonethat wrote: I want to wholeheartedly apologize for all the toxicity, insults and what not I did in this game. I am seriously sorry for that. GG's *repeats this* GG | ||
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On July 05 2017 04:43 Fecalfeast wrote: Wow guys the loss is all your fault i played perfectly exactly my points | ||
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On July 05 2017 05:11 Blazinghand wrote: I will say BTDT, next time don't bring up the strongarm role unnecessarily like that. Almost sunk us. well qt was dead for quite some time I stopped visiting it at some point | ||
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On July 05 2017 06:00 Holyflare wrote: Yes, let's just agree that mafia had super OP shit and that SL had a red check but did nothing about it. BUT THEY HAD ME TO ALMOST RUIN IT | ||
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On July 06 2017 11:33 Blazinghand wrote: It's cause nobody wanted to actually play after a certain point in the game, they were sold on BTDT and then autolynched into Rels without thinking You can say what you want about me not listening to the QT but I did shit up the thread a lot and that did help. | ||
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On July 06 2017 20:32 ruXxar wrote: Also for btdt, next time I won't be so forgiving of your anti town posts. You should thank Rayn for saving your ass for so long. If Rayn hadn't vouched for your townyness I might've tried to lynch you sooner. My posts were too scummy to be too scummy to be scum apparently | ||
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