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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
June 21 2017 20:46 GMT
#4222
So at this point:
meh I dont think xatas filter is that bad. at least his ideas are unconventional to the thread which I kind of expect his town play

.. Xatalos "genuinely" scumreads me, so there is nothing wrong with this post.

Xatalos never stops scumreading me so idk where you are getting your stuff?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
June 21 2017 20:48 GMT
#4226
Can you quote just one fucking post where Xatalos says he doesn't scumread me because i didn't remember it, just went through his fiter and can't find it.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
June 21 2017 20:51 GMT
#4230
On June 22 2017 05:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Can you quote just one fucking post where Xatalos says he doesn't scumread me because i didn't remember it, just went through his fiter and can't find it.

I mean between the game start there is about 20 posts where Xatalos calls me mafia for many reasons. You singling out one post that is not a "proper" scumread (when he has actually made like 20) is quite bs to say sicklucker is factually incorrect.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
June 21 2017 20:51 GMT
#4235
EBWOP: Between the game start and the sicklucker read on Xatalos.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
June 21 2017 20:52 GMT
#4237
No Grackaroni basically claimed scum already.
not even squm like BH does but scum.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
June 21 2017 20:55 GMT
#4241
Blazinghand what was your smurf in the squm game? I wanna read the post again for shits and giggles.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
June 21 2017 21:00 GMT
#4253
On June 22 2017 05:55 sicklucker wrote:
ryan I just ignore stupid arguments like xata never called you scum. its for the best of the game

I can't ignore it because fucking approx 20 people in the game say so, and it's factually incorrect.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
June 21 2017 21:03 GMT
#4257
On June 22 2017 05:55 Grackaroni wrote:
Old Partner.


Oh god i just spilled whisky on my keyboard.

+ Show Spoiler +
On September 12 2013 12:31 Old Partner wrote:
Wow, so this started! I've finally read up to the most recent page, so here are my notes so far and my statements and questions.
+ Show Spoiler [notes] +

Up through P6

Koshi says policy is "lynch scum". joking? meaningful? what does this mean. says that grack is not a troll. votes SnB for saying "ok but how will you make sure the rest of town doesn't lynch not scum" in response to policy post. wtf?

SnB notes PS is coaching a newbie game and asks about it. This is actually pretty next-level and tells me he is town. why is PS and Koshi voting SnB for trying to figure out who PS is? SnB noticing PS in a newbie game and making this connection... means he is probably town. This kind of extra level of thinking is something a town who is honestly trying to figure things out would do.

Grack is policy lynching kush. I am okay with this-- kush is illegible. TL towns don't policy lynch nearly enough.

P7

Koshi's thing about SnB's word choice is stupid. his word choice being different could be because he has a different alignment, but could be do to any other number of variables, including being presented with a novel "policy"

Kush is trolling and I feel stronger about grack's policy vote on kush. His aggression towards kush seems a little over the top but it's okay.

Vayne comes in and is actually making a lot of sense. I'm glad he was here at this time.

Papasmurf swapping votes to VA seems pretty obviously a knee-jerk reaction. Judging from his word choice, high post count, and the way he moves his votes in response to innocuous statements, he is probably BH. I know you think this kind of thing is real pressure BH/PS, but it's really not. all it does is make your vote meaningless. I revise my read in papasmurf from scummish to townish if he is really BH-- this is how BH plays as town.

Vayne's post #137 further reinforces my idea that he is town. His questions are good but don't take into account who papasmurf is.

I don't like SnB's #138 though. His responses aren't really meaningful and dont' promote discussion, but it looks like he's contributing. If SnB is scum, I'd be more convinced by hist post #138 than by the other posts he's made before that.

P8

Papasmurf is being typical blazinghand in his argument with VA. VA equivocating in post #143 sounds like backtracking, but when you've got PS/BH on you for every little turn of phrase, posts like that get made. Still, a point against him.

What is Koshi saying here?

SnB's post here isn't scummy but it's not very well-thought-out. why ask all these questions in one post? of course you don't find someone defending you worrying, because he's DEFENDING you. VA's defense is reasonable and people's attacks on SNB prior to P7 second half are unreasonable, but VA has definitely defended SnB on relatively shakey grounds with SnB only had two votes on him. Who is SnB to say that VA wasn't "trying to be right" as so many scum do? What we have here is SnB 'wants' VA to be town, because he doesn't like the idea of being defended by scum. Not saying it's true/false, but SnB what you're doing here is stating a conclusion then looking for evidence to back it up, rather than the other way around.

PS/BH with the classic "dumb or scum" statement.

P9

VA's "my two cents" and "lol" strike me as odd in 162. Would you say that as town? off-handedly, sure. I like VA for town still. I could see him diffusing tension after this, though. I have questions for him.

WoS's inactivity claim strikes me as very convenient. This should be considered a mark against him regardless of circumstances.

GK's entrance is solid. It's the kind of question someone who just caught up reading would ask-- he's actually reading the thread for sure.


So, now that I'm caught up, a few statements and questions


S + Q

1. I know this game is very conversational, but all the spam and one-lining makes it difficult to read and analyze. Some people have that style, and it doesn't take that much longer to read, but it will take me a little bit of time to get used to it. I am glad that people are getting involved!

2. Yes, I am a smurf. I have played on TL before and thought I could use a new start... the hosts know about this and are okay with it.

3. I know we're long past policy, but since I am a smurf and don't have a history written out of what policies I like, here are my thoughts on policy:
      i. TL towns do not policy lynch enough, not by far
      ii. the policy lynch should be used D1, not any time close to lylo, since the d1 lynch is the least useful
      iii. the policy lynch must be stated with full willingness to follow through, and mislynch, as a result
      iiii. policy lynch should be used on fake-claimers, liars, lurkers, and players whose play is generally unacceptable.
      v. I may have a scumread today I consider more strongly than a policy lynch. I will be open as possible with my reads and thoughts so that i can be convinced, and convincing. I think our best play on D1 can be to policy lynch though... it makes play stronger. I am aware this is a controversial opinion, but it is also a good one. If you disagree with me, that is okay

4. This is @vayneauthority: despite the fact that you have interacted obliquely with Koshi, you do not mention him ever. Do you think he is town, or he is scum? What do you think of his initial vote on SnB for questioning his "policy" of lynching scum? What do you think of his "policy"? Why haven't you weighed in on him yet?

5. this is @SnB: you think koshi is "uncomfortable" and "projecting"... and you also say he is "silly". do you have a scumread on him or not?
5.b this is @SnB: what do you think of VA, in light of my notes on him? Would you say your perception of him is colored by his defense of you? taking that into account, do you see why he is viewed as scummy?

6. this is @papa_smurf: why did you smurf into this game? Are you really BH? After you unvote SnB you don't mention him again. Do you still have a scumread on him, or do you think he is town because VA is scum?

On September 14 2013 07:16 strongandbig wrote:
what is the q

On September 14 2013 07:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2013 07:16 strongandbig wrote:
what is the q

He actually claims SQUM.
Just vig the scum.

good times
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
June 21 2017 21:50 GMT
#4295
On June 22 2017 06:49 Eversince wrote:
I don't see what other conclusion anyone would expect me to arrive at

Why does that matter?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
June 21 2017 22:16 GMT
#4324
On June 22 2017 07:13 Chezitwo wrote:
Because I have this horrible feeling that he is actually town. I would be glad to be proven wrong though.

dude he basically claimed mafia.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
June 21 2017 22:19 GMT
#4335
well cya tomorrow. time to sleep.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
June 22 2017 01:24 GMT
#4566
Palmar:

Whenever you wake up tell me when you can be here tomorrow. I am going to explain something to you and i am gonna now place my bets on you being town. None of these dumbasses will understand it. So please when you wake up tell me the time when you're gonna be here.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
June 22 2017 11:35 GMT
#4637
On June 22 2017 19:06 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2017 18:55 Blazinghand wrote:
I was the hammer. Rayn made in hammering Impoasbkle. Everything else is window dressing. TW and SL didn't hammer. I did. Get the facts straight


"votes in hammer range on town: Tumblewood, sicklucker, Blazinghand"
Tumblewood provided the hammer, sicklucker lifted it, you banged it on the table.

I think I have my facts straight here and you're trying to misrepresent my case. Why do you do this?

You don't have your facts straight.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
June 22 2017 11:40 GMT
#4638
On June 22 2017 18:12 disformation wrote:
@btdt does the skynx martyr thing have any effect on your read on him?

What is this martyr thing you are talking about? When he voted for himself with about 100 votes on other people?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
June 22 2017 11:51 GMT
#4640
Is that yesterday?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
June 22 2017 11:53 GMT
#4642
I mean first of all i don't understand why Skynx would even martyr. He is voting for sicklucker who at the time has a decent chance of being lynched. btdt is the only guy who thinks Skynx is a realistic lynch on D3. So what, he gets mad and switches his vote off his scumread and martyrs?

Doesn't sound like a reasonable approach to me. Screams fake in fact.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
June 22 2017 12:08 GMT
#4652
Oh wait he was on Rels. That doesn't really matter since he was still on a counter-wagon of Grackaroni (at that time).
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
June 22 2017 12:38 GMT
#4657
On June 22 2017 21:24 disformation wrote:
dunno. what is his scum story here?
bus xata d1 do nothing with the cred?

People always do nothing with the cred like that. Always. Same with Tubesock in the newbie game. Same with darthfoley in the game before. People think the credit lasts forever because they have the "i lynched mafia" argument. Really, go look at almost any game where that has happened.

Also the timing of the vote from Skynx is very convenient. If Xatalos ups his play you can easily hop onto another wagon. If not, he looks good because he is on scum wagon. Look at his Xatalos post:
On June 15 2017 23:43 Skynx wrote:
What I get from Xata is that he's around but just chilling.

He seems to be pretty mixed up in the whole me calling out ruxxar and followup from there thing, eventually voting ruxxar deeming there is enough stuff on him. + Show Spoiler +
On June 15 2017 03:44 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2017 03:35 darthfoley wrote:
On June 15 2017 03:27 Xatalos wrote:
On June 15 2017 03:15 darthfoley wrote:
On June 15 2017 03:01 Xatalos wrote:
DF: I wasn't the only one who missed Skynx's main point initially. After he explained further, I actually agreed that it looked worse for ruxxar than disfo. So what's the issue?

And I wouldn't really call my filter "filler".


Well I would, which is why I did. My point is that mafia are often looking to misconstrue people's posts and throwing around suspicion.

@ Vivax. It's not that he didn't have reads, it's that he seemed to be ignoring the major event in the thread at the time. It's fine to be not super committed to early D1 reads, but I felt like the "I have no idea what to make of this" was a cop out to people's legit questions about it.


Well, it's just an inaccurate description... Maybe I have some not-so-important posts, but certainly not only those..

Besides, I just don't see what's bad about the Skynx events. Skynx's points on disfo caught my attention more than his underlying point to bring attention to ruxxar, that's all. He was later forced to elaborate and only then did it become clear that ruxxar was where his main focus was (I guess it was possible to notice by reading his original post more carefully, but I digress).


I'm more interested in hearing what you make of the game and its players at this point, now that you've caught up.


Fair enough. At this point I mainly dislike ruxxar and rayn - mixed on Koshi. I've already talked about rayn/Koshi so here's some points about ruxxar:

1) Like Skynx pointed out very early on, ruxxar called disfo's opening post a strong post... when it was really null at best. ruxxar later tried to explain it away by saying that it was just a tone read, unrelated to the content, but really? All I got from the tone of disfo's opening post was non-committing/vague, not decisive/relaxed/insightful or things a townie tone should be. Maybe the format wasn't overly polished, but so what? And is it a strong post if it's just bad/unpolished? Felt to me like ruxxar was staying stuff he didn't actually mean and then tried to somehow salvage the situation.

2) This post...

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On June 14 2017 22:28 ruXxar wrote:
On June 14 2017 18:21 sicklucker wrote:
alright boys im hard claiming cop with a red check on eversince.


This makes it real simple.
Lynch eversince.
If green, lynch sicklucker.

Guaranteed 1 scum down.


...is probably the least town-motivated post I saw so far. Not only is that "plan" bad, but it has a thought process of happily lynching people with little to no reason. Again, not aligning comfortably with a town mindset of making the most out of our lynches, but rather just using them up on someone (like scum would).

3)

Show nested quote +
On June 15 2017 02:05 ruXxar wrote:
I have read Koshis filter and determined he is mafia.

##vote koshi


Really....? Now that Koshi has a huge wagon he just sheeps it with no reason whatsoever?


- - -


All in all, I'll be switching my vote to ruxxar.

This is all fine.

What's not fine is that he's not revealing ANYTHING at all. I mean there are absolutely no reads other than ruxxar. He has a 3 page filter but not a list, one scumread, no townreads. Lets say he lasts a few days and D3 we analyze him, his D1 will look like he did nothing while being around all the time and having a 3 page filter. This is kinda worse than Palmar.

Show nested quote +
On June 15 2017 03:12 Xatalos wrote:
Btw could someone condense the case on Koshi? I get the fact that he said some 3P-sounding things earlier on, and isn't playing to his town (or scum?) meta... Still the huge wagon makes me wary.

For example here you can see him pretending to be interested but instead of "hey x why do you think Koshi is mafia?" we get the bolded, and no follow up. Filter is pretty much just thoughts like this.

Show nested quote +
On June 15 2017 03:34 Xatalos wrote:
On June 15 2017 03:17 Fecalfeast wrote:
I forgot rayn was in this game lol what were the points against him?


For rayn, it's mostly just that he's been very lackluster/passive so far. The worst thing that stood out to me was how he just talked about "Koshi not being mafia" though everybody was speculating about Koshi being 3P at that point. It's like he didn't even read what people said about Koshi and made his conclusion anyway.

He's following the game, but no thoughts on the situation. If you're kinda null, just tell. If you think rayn is town at least say so, don't have to defend him maybe but it will prompt people to ask you questions and so on.

He is playing a pretty risk-free game. Props to DF for spotting him earlier on, very lynchable.

Two things to notice here.
1) this is basically +1'ing darthfoley after df made his case, backed up by
2) before this Skynx never really talks about Xatalos at all (i mean this is something he just didn't suddenly come up with)

fuck how to explain that better.... i mean like, this doesn't seem like Skynx progressed any read he had before. He is basically just saying what df said. This is an easy thing to say as mafia. Also mafia usually wants to make it look like THEY made a case (when in fact thay didn't). I mean, if i made that conclusion for whatever reason, i would make a post that says "I read darthfoley's case and it is very good, lynch Xatalos". There is no reason to basically rewrite the case.

Also does it look like he is really pushing Xatalos lynch? Look at filter pages 1-2 after the case. Does it look like he even believes in the case? Do you see the super good Xatalos scumread here on N1?
On June 17 2017 00:54 Skynx wrote:
Anyway for sure 1 scum between sl/fefe/rux. They all look equally bad dunno where to start.
Grack ninja vote is terrible. Eversince and Rels keep going down in ranks but i havent read their eod properly yet.
Other terrible votes off train are btdt and TW. Maybe Vivax aswell but i think he is town.
My plan is to also ignore HF and Palmar for a bit. They can be any alignment and so far pretty useless, too high level stuff for me.
VA can go suck a dick.
rayn is a mystery

I think tomorrow we can start the lynch with grack or any of first trio that started the train.

Updated townlist: disfo, df, damdred, Koshi, Vivax

Sl/ruxxar/tw/btdt/HF for postgame cred

????

He literally talks about D1 votes and why people are mafia based on it but he doesn't even call the opposing wagon he was so sure is scum on D1 mafia?!?!?!
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
June 22 2017 12:55 GMT
#4659
Look at what he does after the case.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
June 22 2017 13:04 GMT
#4666
On June 22 2017 21:59 disformation wrote:
he also was not there for eod, cause bed, which 100% fits with his pre game excuse.

I am not talking about EoD, i am talking about N1.
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