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your reason to scumread me is so bad too. Because I dumbtelled. I understand not taking the dumbtell into account 'cause it can be faked. But making it a basis for a scumread is nonsense
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unless I'm known to do that maybe. But I am not
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On June 21 2017 07:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2017 07:17 Rels wrote:On June 21 2017 07:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 21 2017 07:11 Rels wrote:
the amount of people scumreading me and not engaging me to gauge me is too high. SL, rayn, Skynx, ruxxar. Shame on whoever is town in that list. That's bs too man. I have done nothing this phase except for engaging you, you brush it all away and dodge my concerns. And then you claim this shit. well I'm here now. Claim any fucking concerns you still have. I hope it's better than what I answered yesterday You haven't really answered anything afaik.
WELL THEN ITS TIME TO TALK ABOUT STUFF WITH WORDS
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On June 21 2017 07:27 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2017 07:19 Rels wrote:On June 21 2017 07:15 ruXxar wrote:On June 21 2017 07:13 Grackaroni wrote:
I think the only reason I'm being auto'd in the first place is because of RuXxar. The reason you are being auto'd is because you are scum. this continues to be the trend. No doubts just auto lynches lined up. You can't be town Imagine yourself as obs, analyzing the game. Completely neutral, no involvement in the outcome whatsoever. Who do you think has the highest chance of flipping scum today, all things considered?
SL
you
rayn
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On June 21 2017 07:27 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2017 07:27 ruXxar wrote:On June 21 2017 07:19 Rels wrote:On June 21 2017 07:15 ruXxar wrote:On June 21 2017 07:13 Grackaroni wrote:
I think the only reason I'm being auto'd in the first place is because of RuXxar. The reason you are being auto'd is because you are scum. this continues to be the trend. No doubts just auto lynches lined up. You can't be town Imagine yourself as obs, analyzing the game. Completely neutral, no involvement in the outcome whatsoever. Who do you think has the highest chance of flipping scum today, all things considered? SL you rayn
You're all so fixed on your reads.
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On June 21 2017 07:29 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2017 07:27 Rels wrote:On June 21 2017 07:27 ruXxar wrote:On June 21 2017 07:19 Rels wrote:On June 21 2017 07:15 ruXxar wrote:On June 21 2017 07:13 Grackaroni wrote:
I think the only reason I'm being auto'd in the first place is because of RuXxar. The reason you are being auto'd is because you are scum. this continues to be the trend. No doubts just auto lynches lined up. You can't be town Imagine yourself as obs, analyzing the game. Completely neutral, no involvement in the outcome whatsoever. Who do you think has the highest chance of flipping scum today, all things considered? SL you rayn You don't think grack looks the least bit scummy at all? Not a tiny bit?
Nope. If I was an obs and didn't have the mindmeld with him I would think he is someone that needs to be lynched at some point. A random dude with no activity that could flip scum.
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I'm getting tired. Gonna go to sleep soon.
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rayn you didn't answer this:
On June 20 2017 20:37 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2017 01:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 15 2017 16:52 Rels wrote:On June 15 2017 12:05 darthfoley wrote:
Anyone else wonder why Rels was like 24 town reads with caveats to every read? How can you call Xata's post on ruXxar "good' when he just copy and pasted what like 4 other people have already pointed out? On June 15 2017 12:07 darthfoley wrote:
Like how can Rels view my case on Xatalos as convincing and pretty good while also town reading Xatalos for a thread sentiment case on ruXxar?
Don't like Rels so far It was a chronological list of things of interest while I was catching up. When I found something on a player that was already on the list I just put another thing under the list of that player. So: DF: - also understanding Skynx post + doing his own thing (p 18). Dunno why he doesn't like Xata though. Didnt find anything Xata did so far was AI. - nice post explaining why Xata is scummy. Convincing too, the bit where Xata missed Skynx' logic. First dash refers to this post.Second dash refers to this post.Then this: Xata: - good post on ruxxar. Refers to this post. this post. it is all over the place, starts from nothing and ends up on nothing. idk how to explain it more clearly. Show nested quote +On June 17 2017 01:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Meh i am bad... The post doesnt actually explain anything (in how he got where he did), it just repeats what he did... Show nested quote +On June 17 2017 01:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
But Rels has nothing to give us so far.
Have you, disformation?
Havev you, Eversince? Why, after you realized your reason to scumrad me is wrong, I continue to be a main scumread ? You've played plenty of games with me where I give nothing early. Why the call for me being killed just after ? Show nested quote +On June 17 2017 03:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Xatalos is mafia too. Shoot Xatalos, or Rels.. but Xatalos. Show nested quote +On June 17 2017 03:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
rels
sicklucker
xatalos
disformation
skynx
tumble
btdt
kill into this list and win.
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rayn I'm also hoping to see the list of things I didn't answer to your liking in that post and those that followed:
On June 20 2017 19:05 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2017 18:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 20 2017 08:26 Rels wrote:
getting tired so I will stop reading filters. I think Grack is town for the post I quoted earlier + that post where he called out the overall sentiement that scum had to be in annul's wagon. I thought the same thing reading those last pages.
##Vote raynpelikoneet
Get smart or die. No Rels, you don't get to do this. First of all, your post on Eversince. There is a reason you started with this line: wow that makes Eversince town. I do not care you later figured out you were wrong in this conclusion. It doesn't matter. It matters that your original conclusion is completely illogical and there is always a reason you posted it in the first place, because that's what people do, even if they don't think things through. So i am trying to figure out why you originally came to this conclusion. Here's what i can think of: 1) You fucked up because you know Eversince's alignment (mafia) and made a bad judgement call of what people do think about the post. 2) You fucked up because you know Eversince's alignment (town) and because TMI you came to "correct conclusion". 3) You originally posted that as town because ????? Now you haven't explained why (3) ? Obviously you're gonna claim that's the case regardless of your alignment. Saying "i corrected myself later" doesn't cut it because i don't care about it. I care about what was your original thought process, why did you originally think it makes Eversince town, because as i said, there IS a reason why you originally posted what you did. I have explained 3. It's literally the part you erased after the part you quoted. I didn't "figure out I was wrong in this conclusion", I just thought it was less strong than I initially thought. I still think it's a small town indicator. Show nested quote +On June 20 2017 18:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Secondly there is this disformation thing. The fact is all about this game is what mafia would or wouldn't likely do. You are literally trying to discredit my read JUST by saying "you can't assume what mafia would/wouldn't do". That's fucking retarded since that's literally what this game is about, and nothing else, since by your logic any alignment can post anything they ever want and you can never figure out anything based on what people say/do. Basically, i don't care if you disagree with my conclusion, you are allowed to do that. But you're not really doing that, you're saying i am mafia because of me coming to a perfectly logical conclusion. That's pretty fucking fishy Rels, and i happen to know you do these shit cases on me as mafia, it happens on almost every game you're mafia in. I don't fucking know how to explain this in words that other people can understand, and why what Rels says is super duper dumb and incorrect, but please read it with thought. There is nothing unsmart in what i said. There is everything unsmart and wrong in what Rels says here. Yep I didn't expect you to make that conclusion as town. Literally my first thought reading the red check + disfo's reaction was thinking about if it made disfo town or not. And it does not. And that you can't see it is bothering me. And why are you talking to me, but in the middle switching to talking to others ? Show nested quote +On June 20 2017 18:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:Now let's believe Rels is town and actually believes in what he says on what i talked about above. Then there is this thing: On June 17 2017 12:08 Eversince wrote:
I'm no town leader and if I'm alive on D3 I will be utterly useless again. So this is my gift for you town.
I'm 99.65535% convinced of it.
SL, TW, Xata, Grack and X(Solve X for game) is the mafia team.
Everything is here. The connections, the soft defenses, the meaningless casting of doubt, the organization between them interlocks and really is apparent at the lynch. There is only 1 wildcard if there is 5 mafia.
This is a post Eversince made. Since you, Rels, are so against the line of thinking "what would mafia most likely do" why aren't you interested at all in this post?? It doesn't make any sense since she made a fucking post that is literally filled with nothing but "this is what i think mafia is doing". Why do you treat Eversince differently than you treat me when i approach the game from the same perspective? Here's another one: On June 15 2017 06:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Fecalfeast is likely town. I liked the approach to darthfoley's opening from him. I recall FF being more "serious" from get go as mafia, at least the last game i played with him. It's like he wasn't trying to make anything out of nothing (which DF's "inconsistency" pretty much was). This is my early read on Fecalfeast. This is me saying "i think if Fecalfeast is mafia he most likely would have reacted differently to df's opening". Again this is the same thing. Funnily enough this is in the pretty much ONLY post i had made when Rels called me town!!! So i really really have to ask, why does Rels treat me differently than he treats me when i approach the game from same perspective than i do????This whole stuff above is insane also because you can go to any game i have played ever and this is always how i form my reads. Rels not only fails to realize i am doing what i always do as town, but also even treats myself in a different manner when it comes to different people. I hold you to a much higher standard than ES. Your FF meta read has nothing to do with your disfo-is-not-partner-with-Xata read. And the fact that you're accusing me so much instead of probing me is bothering me. As town you're asking questions and laying traps. Show nested quote +On June 20 2017 18:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:Then there is the Chezitwo read. Rels literally said Chezitwo is mafia because of what marv has done some other time. The he backpedals from the read with: I had this huge feeling that he had TMI defending marv like that, but it turns out that since he's his replacement he has TMI on his slot. You really couldn't "figure this out" earlier??? REALLY?!?!? And you're fucking calling me unsmart.... Your point ? Show nested quote +On June 20 2017 18:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And then there is the annnul vote thing. I don't literally care what annul said about his Xatalos vote. I care about the fact that it is factually incorrect a vote on Xatalos will most likely get him to vote for sicklucker, regardless of what annul thinks. And by that, it makes your conclusion (and vote) extremely stupid - i am talking about the reasoning here, not that you voted for annul in itself. (I don't really blame anyone for voting for annul just because they voted for him.) Because it is true. Because if annul was mafia and wanted Xatalos to vote for sicklucker you don't fucking play around "blackmailing him", you just vote for sicklucker instead and try to plead to Xatalos. That is what mafia would do most likely. You should be smart enough to realize that. Makes no sense. annul votes Xata. annul makes a post begging Xata to vote SL. I call out that post. That's plain and simple. You're getting complicated with a story that looks pretty but is only one possibility. It is not logical. Show nested quote +On June 20 2017 18:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##vote Rels
Now here's what's gonna happen if you're town Rels:
You stop calling me unsmart because if i am unsmart in how i have played and it makes me mafia then you're 100x mafia. If you think i am mafia at least TRY to make a fucking case based on what i have done. You're gonna explain these things. Then you're gonna get onto your level because right now i will need people to work with me and those people i am looking into are you/Palmar/disformation/Chezitwo/Ruxxar. But mostly you and Palmar, and sadly right now i think you're probably mafia and Palmar is not playing. Maybe he will wake up from his weekend hibernation soon. I'm gonna push you until one of us is dead OR you start solving the game instead of just posting weird things and asking pointless questions.
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On June 21 2017 07:39 sicklucker wrote:
this is also standard rels scum meta. complain and do nothing. might be his town meta too tho lol
lol. "do nothing"
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On June 21 2017 07:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:Well here it is Rels: 1) Show nested quote +On June 20 2017 19:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 20 2017 19:11 Rels wrote:On June 20 2017 19:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 20 2017 19:05 Rels wrote:
I have explained 3. It's literally the part you erased after the part you quoted. I didn't "figure out I was wrong in this conclusion", I just thought it was less strong than I initially thought. I still think it's a small town indicator. Why is it a town indicator? 'cause in the narrative where she's scum with Xata and came to save him EOD1, it's more likely that she was fake AFK and faked entering the thread to save him. That what was said against her. I still don't understand this. You basically just went back in circles and said the reasoning is the same you earlier said is not actually a reasoning to call him town for it. Can you explain it in words i can understand? We have concluded she probably didn't fake her entering the thread. But why is misreading/misremembering something a towntell, even slightest? Because i don't see why. You never explained this.
Well everything is explained already. You're saying "the reasoning is the same you earlier said is not actually a reasoning to call him town for it". When I explained I actually think it's a little town indicative.
On June 21 2017 07:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
2) Where is the "Skynx is scum" read? From earlier, i don't care if you don't think he is scum anymore i wanna hear the read you were so sure of yesterday. You pointed out some stuff but that doesn't make any sense. Because Skynx gave 3 mafia reads he was most certain of and you think 2 of them are mafia so it would be that... HE IS MOSTLY RIGHT if you are!! And that makes him mafia? And you just say "An easy list to make the seems good but does nothing".... The dude jsut fucking gave 3 scumreads from which you think 2 are mafia, regardless of he pushes them or not he should be one of your top towns.
lol why are you attacking me before I can even reply.
He was on my list of scummy people after catching up probably because I didn't like a post of him. Then I filtered him and the way he handles groups of people in one of his big post was pretty suspicious.
On June 21 2017 07:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:3) Why is Ruxxar mafia? Oh right... After saying Ruxxar is mafia this is what you say: Mhmmm.. Seems like just as good reasoning as your read on me and Chez is....
I did that and I have nothing to report that change my mind. Are you claiming you don't know why I think ruxxar is scum ?
On June 21 2017 07:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:4) So what happened to this: Show nested quote +I'm gonna push you until one of us is dead OR you start solving the game instead of just posting weird things and asking pointless questions. Did i start solving the game? It doesn't look like you think so. Then why are you not 1v1'ing me as you said you would? I couldn't give any less fucking fucks if i get lynched because it nets us mafia the next day 100%. You're completely fucking illogical in how your reads change and what they are in the first place.
Because I changed my mind reading SL's filter. I think SL is scum more than I think you're scum.
Why is it illogical ?
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Here is another question for you. If you still had all these interrogations, why did I had to get them out of you by force ?
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did I actually completely forget that FF was in this game. I guess I did
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On June 21 2017 07:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:Mhm again we have this: Show nested quote +ruxxar:
- "I like it" on a disfo post that didn't deserve any of it. Not that it deserved scum points. But nothing to like in it.
- buying SL's red check. Propose we lynch Eversince, then SL if she flips green. No game vision. Gullible. So you read Ruxxar as mafia because (after discounting your "top scumread" who is 0 posts marv) you want to lynch Ruxxar and one of your two reasons is he wants to lynch your top scumread discounting 0 posts marv and himself. Reeeeellllsssss!!! 
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this is one of my first posts I think ? Why did you remove the timestamp ? They're not the reasons I think he's scum now. This was the beginning of the game
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althought him buying SL red check actually is weird if they're both scum. That's a good info
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On June 21 2017 07:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like this is how it went:
Rels: I think this X makes ES town
rayn: bs, that doesn't make her town at all
Rels: well i already said that, did you not read this post after my initial post?
rayn: i don't care, i wanna know why you initially thought it makes here town, or why did you say so?
Rels: Well i think it makes her a little bit town
????????????????????????
Let me replace the middle part by what I ACTUALLY said
I had a thought, then I realized it was not as strong as I thought, then I posted it.
"Not as strong as I thought" is different from "that doesn't make her town at all"
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So you're misinterpreting what I said to push your point
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+ you quoting one of my first post when I ask you if you know why I scumread ruxxar is BS
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On June 21 2017 08:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2017 07:58 Rels wrote:On June 21 2017 07:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:Mhm again we have this: ruxxar:
- "I like it" on a disfo post that didn't deserve any of it. Not that it deserved scum points. But nothing to like in it.
- buying SL's red check. Propose we lynch Eversince, then SL if she flips green. No game vision. Gullible. So you read Ruxxar as mafia because (after discounting your "top scumread" who is 0 posts marv) you want to lynch Ruxxar and one of your two reasons is he wants to lynch your top scumread discounting 0 posts marv and himself. Reeeeellllsssss!!! ... this is one of my first posts I think ? Why did you remove the timestamp ? They're not the reasons I think he's scum now. This was the beginning of the game Ahem so what are your reasons then? This is the only post you have made about ruxxar after that before the "still have ruxxar to filter tonight.": Show nested quote +On June 20 2017 07:32 Rels wrote:On June 20 2017 00:06 ruXxar wrote:
On my way home from work, so I'll get some more thoughts out later, but just to leave you with my preferred lynch order:
Grack.
Rels.
Maybe ES.
It's just super obvious to lynch people on the town train before people on the scum train.
If you try to convince me or town that there was only 1 mafia on the annul train I'll be nominating you for the Darwin Award. such an awful last line So this is your reasoning then? Or what?
MM WOW THAT WAS HARD TO FIND
On June 20 2017 21:09 Rels wrote:
That might be the worse case I've ever seen
On June 20 2017 22:50 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2017 22:48 ruXxar wrote:On June 20 2017 22:38 disformation wrote:
tbh.
my gut likes palmar/sl/skynx +1 more on annul What happened to grack? Is he town now? Every post you make seems fake to me.
On June 20 2017 22:59 Rels wrote:ruxxar what are you trying to accomplish there ? I don't understand how that would make you solve the game. Show nested quote +On June 20 2017 22:51 ruXxar wrote:On June 20 2017 22:50 disformation wrote:On June 20 2017 22:48 ruXxar wrote:On June 20 2017 22:38 disformation wrote:
tbh.
my gut likes palmar/sl/skynx +1 more on annul What happened to grack? Is he town now? +1 more on annul? You sure went from confident in grack/rels to +1 on annul. Are you trying to scumread disfo ? Or are you trying to see his thought process ? If it's the latter, why are you asking when it's quite clear from the last few pages ? Show nested quote +On June 20 2017 22:54 ruXxar wrote:On June 20 2017 22:53 disformation wrote:On June 20 2017 22:51 ruXxar wrote:On June 20 2017 22:50 disformation wrote:On June 20 2017 22:48 ruXxar wrote:On June 20 2017 22:38 disformation wrote:
tbh.
my gut likes palmar/sl/skynx +1 more on annul What happened to grack? Is he town now? +1 more on annul? You sure went from confident in grack/rels to +1 on annul. yes. my reads change as i go back to review the contents of the game and interact with other players. shocking i know. yes i am way less confident in rels being scum. might be grack might be es. think lynching grack first is fine. You think there was only 2 mafia on the annul vote? You think it's obvious than 3+ scum were on the 7 people annul wagon ? When it's terrifying to take stances like that as scum ? Not taking anything else into account, maybe there are 3 or 4 scums in the 7 people coutner wagon to a scum. But it's not likely. Scum will usually spread their votes, and it's fucking scary to vote on something you KNOW is wrong and is gonna be revealed, since it's the D1 vote. So I don't understand how you can have the mindset than it's super likely than 3 or 4 scums were on annul.
On June 21 2017 07:19 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2017 07:15 ruXxar wrote:On June 21 2017 07:13 Grackaroni wrote:
I think the only reason I'm being auto'd in the first place is because of RuXxar. The reason you are being auto'd is because you are scum. this continues to be the trend. No doubts just auto lynches lined up. You can't be town
On June 21 2017 07:27 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2017 07:27 ruXxar wrote:On June 21 2017 07:19 Rels wrote:On June 21 2017 07:15 ruXxar wrote:On June 21 2017 07:13 Grackaroni wrote:
I think the only reason I'm being auto'd in the first place is because of RuXxar. The reason you are being auto'd is because you are scum. this continues to be the trend. No doubts just auto lynches lined up. You can't be town Imagine yourself as obs, analyzing the game. Completely neutral, no involvement in the outcome whatsoever. Who do you think has the highest chance of flipping scum today, all things considered? SL you rayn
On June 21 2017 07:28 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2017 07:27 Rels wrote:On June 21 2017 07:27 ruXxar wrote:On June 21 2017 07:19 Rels wrote:On June 21 2017 07:15 ruXxar wrote:On June 21 2017 07:13 Grackaroni wrote:
I think the only reason I'm being auto'd in the first place is because of RuXxar. The reason you are being auto'd is because you are scum. this continues to be the trend. No doubts just auto lynches lined up. You can't be town Imagine yourself as obs, analyzing the game. Completely neutral, no involvement in the outcome whatsoever. Who do you think has the highest chance of flipping scum today, all things considered? SL you rayn You're all so fixed on your reads.
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On June 21 2017 08:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Before the filter post. You have called the dude mafia all game and every "reasoning" i gather from your filter you tell is not valid anymore. SO WHY IS HE FUCKING MAFIA THEN?
WELL AT THE BEGINNING I SCUMREAD HIM FOR THE REASONS YOU QOUTED
BEFORE THE FILTER POST WHAT I READ DURING CATCH UP DIDNT MAKE ME THINK HE WAS TOWN AND I WANTED TO FILTER READ HIM
AND AFTER THE FILTER POST EVERYTHING IS QUOTED
IT IS NOT FUCKING HARD
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