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On June 21 2017 08:01 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2017 07:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like this is how it went:
Rels: I think this X makes ES town
rayn: bs, that doesn't make her town at all
Rels: well i already said that, did you not read this post after my initial post?
rayn: i don't care, i wanna know why you initially thought it makes here town, or why did you say so?
Rels: Well i think it makes her a little bit town
???????????????????????? Let me replace the middle part by what I ACTUALLY said I had a thought, then I realized it was not as strong as I thought, then I posted it. "Not as strong as I thought" is different from "that doesn't make her town at all"
The bolded part is not what he ACTUALLY SAID, that's my point.
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On June 21 2017 09:03 Eversince wrote:
I can understand your logic. Assuming he thinks I'm not lying about entering at best I should be knocked down to null at best?
But isn't that what he did? I don't recall him ever outright calling me town.
His logic about you not lying about entering is sound. I have no problems with that.
However it doesn't make you anything. It is just as likely that mafia does not remember something than that a townie does not remember something. The way he followed up on his initial comment is what gives me the problem. He followed up on basically saying "it doesn't make Eversince anything". I asked him "i don't care about that, why did you initially say what you said" and then he says something else. He says "well i figured out i was partially wrong (aka "yes it makes her a little bit town i think") which is something he didn't imply at all imo in the second post. If he had just said "i had a brainfart for a second, deal with it" i would probably be okay with it, but i think he's trying to cover something he knows he made a mistake on rather than just admiting it was a honest mistake.
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On June 21 2017 09:20 Eversince wrote:
That makes sense. I guess I'm failing to see the reason why he would bother doing it as mafia though.
You are saying you as town fail to see why he would bother trying to softly cover his tracks after accidently calling you town?
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Eversince while i don't really think you can be mafia with Rels i have something i'd like you to explain.
I already asked this, you have apparently missed it:
I am also quite interested in this from Eversince someone talked about earlier: Show nested quote +Everything is here. The connections, the soft defenses, the meaningless casting of doubt, the organization between them interlocks and really is apparent at the lynch. There is only 1 wildcard if there is 5 mafia. What are the connections and other stuff you talk about you see?
This is regarding this post:
On June 17 2017 12:08 Eversince wrote:I'm no town leader and if I'm alive on D3 I will be utterly useless again. So this is my gift for you town. I'm 99.65535% convinced of it. SL, TW, Xata, Grack and X(Solve X for game) is the mafia team. Everything is here. The connections, the soft defenses, the meaningless casting of doubt, the organization between them interlocks and really is apparent at the lynch. There is only 1 wildcard if there is 5 mafia. --- Show nested quote +On June 16 2017 08:02 Half the Sky wrote:Final Vote Count - Day 1 annul (7): sicklucker, ruXxar, Fecalfeast, Xatalos, Rels, Grackaroni, EversinceXatalos (6): darthfoley, Koshi, Skynx, disformation, annul, Holyflaresicklucker (2): Palmar, Holyflare, VivaxKoshi (1): Holyflare, disformation, beentheredonethat, Vivax, annul, ruXxar, Vivaxmarvellosity (1): Koshi, TumblewoodSkynx (1): VayneAuthorityruXxar (0): Fecalfeast, Xatalos, Vivax, annulTumblewood (0): ruXxarPalmar (0): sickluckerraynpelikoneet (0): Xatalos, sicklucker, TumblewoodPalmar (0): Koshi, Skynxbeentheredonethat (0): KoshiEversince (0): sickluckerNot voted (4): Damdred, raynpelikoneet, AMG, marvellosityHalf the Sky is getting ready to throw annul out of her whiskey bar.
Day 1 ends in at 23:00 GMT (+00:00).
The voting thread is here and only votes in the voting thread will be counted. I'm going to bed for a bit now.
Another thing is this, from the same post:
...if I'm alive on D3 I will be utterly useless again.
Why do you think this? Even if you think this why do you want to say that?
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On June 21 2017 12:36 Grackaroni wrote:
From the non-voters:
Vayne, Btdt, Tumblewood, Palmar, Chezitwo, Rayn.
I don't think any of these non-voting people have been overly townie and there's probably a lot of scum in this group.
So what is your reasoning for not liking me? D1 and N1 i was your town read. Did my read change on disformation change it or what? If that's so, why havent you commented in any way on the Xatalos fakecheck on him?
Or is it my read on Rels? Why do you ACTUALLY townread Rels? Because he says there is less mafia in the annul train than the thread sentiment is? Do you have any actual reasoning for this, since even knowing your own alignment there are still people with very flimsy reasoning on the annul train. Rels is one of them.
How about you stop making these weird conclusions based on really no reasoning at all. If you have a problem with my Rels read tell me why there is a problem. If you have a problem with my current disformation read, tell me what is the problem. But do not just say "wow Rels sees the things in the same way i do" because regardless of your affiliation saying so without any actual reasoning just looks bad, because that's exactly what mafia would say.
The truth is you haven't given any reasoning on why you stand on where you do at this point. You have given out where do you stand but the "why" is missing.
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Can people at least look at what i have said about Rels and comment on it?
1) His explanation on the Eversince comment doesn't match up with the earlier explanation on the Eversince comment. In fact i don't even believe it matches the original comment.
2) His vote on annul is based on very bad reasoning and the way he went on with it on D1 in very surface level thinking which is not really typical for him.
3) All of his scumreads are based on very surface level reasoning and there is basically no thought behind them (see for example the read on me, earlier read on Chezitwo, read on Grack, read on sicklucker, N1 or so read on Skynx and the read on Ruxxar).
4) The way he has pushed his scumreads is... well he hasn't, it's non-existent.
The complete lack of ANY people to even COMMENT on the case makes me think even more i am right here.
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Gotta leave for work now. Be back about 2 hrs before deadline.
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FYI i will probably not vote for sicklucker. I don't have many reasons for thinking he is town but i don't have any reasons for thinking he is mafia. No i don't buy the "he did townie things D1 so he is scum" argument some dude even ridiculously called good point.
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Also sicklucker was voting for mafia. And mafia is voting for sicklucker.
##unvote
##vote Grackaroni
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Chez is not mafia nad i don't know why everyone buys Rels' bullshit.
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On June 22 2017 05:07 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 05:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Chez is not mafia nad i don't know why everyone buys Rels' bullshit. ya he is. im more sure of him then grack but no one wants to lynch him for some reason
No he isn't. But this game is fucking invalid and we can just concede if there is zero mafia in Palmar, Rels, Grack, Skynx (from people voting for you). It is fucking impossible.
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What is even the case on sicklucker? The "he did townie things"?
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On June 22 2017 05:13 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 05:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What is even the case on sicklucker? The "he did townie things"? just posted it earlier... Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 03:52 disformation wrote:On June 22 2017 03:38 sicklucker wrote:
disinfo let me try to change your mind since im pretty sure your one of the towns on this wagon and your here. what are your current problems with me this games to big to remember eh lemme try to give you a tldr. you were pushing annul super damn hard, but never explained why, although i asked you. you had a basically false tr on xata. as in that tr was based on stuff that wasnt true. then you admitted that annul was a bit town eod, but that didnt seem to bother you. after the annul flip you had a few posts saying that the voting stuff didnt necessairly make xata scum. ppl scumreading you tend to get shot at night. you had a uncharacteristically active d1 and fell off super hard after that. though yeah d2 was kinda auto. rels also has some stuffs here: On June 21 2017 20:44 Rels wrote:More killer stuff against SL, during N1. He can't explain why suddenly his Xata read changes just because it was a contested lynch. If he's scum he KNOWS Xata is gonna be probably killed soon, maybe even vig'd. On June 16 2017 21:30 sicklucker wrote:
This is my tenitive reads list from most likely town to most likely scum.
Fecalfeast
darthfoley
Rels
disformation
Palmar
Ruxxar
raynpelikoneet
Koshi
^ id be kind of surprised if these guys were scum
btdm
ruXxar
Tumblewood
Xatalos
Grackaroni
Skynx
Vivax
Eversince
Holyflare
marvellosity
I doubt its that accurate since theres alot of people and just started but I thought id share about where my heads at
On June 16 2017 21:36 Holyflare wrote:On June 16 2017 21:30 sicklucker wrote:
This is my tenitive reads list from most likely town to most likely scum.
Fecalfeast
darthfoley
Rels
disformation
Palmar
Ruxxar
raynpelikoneet
Koshi
^ id be kind of surprised if these guys were scum
btdm
ruXxar
Tumblewood
Xatalos
Grackaroni
Skynx
Vivax
Eversince
Holyflare
marvellosity
I doubt its that accurate since theres alot of people and just started but I thought id share about where my heads at
Nothing has changed. Absolutely 0 things have changed since you independently town read Xatalos based on his play. Zero. Zilch. Nada. Why is he not on your town list? On June 16 2017 21:43 Holyflare wrote:You're so full of crap! On June 16 2017 04:54 sicklucker wrote:
meh I dont think xatas filter is that bad. at least his ideas are unconventional to the thread which I kind of expect his town play On June 16 2017 07:48 sicklucker wrote:
it kind of makes it easy that all my town reads are voting annul (ff rels ruxxarand to a lesser degree xata) On June 16 2017 07:49 sicklucker wrote:On June 16 2017 07:47 Holyflare wrote:On June 16 2017 07:45 Eversince wrote:
This is going to make me look like garbage.
I haven't read anything since pg 35ish. Give me the the rough of what's happen between now and then for Xata, Annul, and SL.
I don't have time to fact check so my vote is entirely blind at this point. sl came to the thread and town read xatalos because xatalos has different reads to most of the game (when in fact xatalos' reads are blending with the rest of the game sl says i'm mafia for calling all the town leaders mafia and it's my mafia meta when 100% of other games he states my mafia meta is to push lurkers sl is trying to force the wagon onto someone who is blatantly self-preserving and revealing his plan for all to see, who stubbornly refuses to change his reads despite everyone yelling at him mafia sl is mafia I said that because xata had a mafia read on ryan and everyone else town read him. get over it you lost save your buddy What has changed since this in any way that changes Xatalos' alignment? On June 16 2017 21:56 sicklucker wrote:On June 16 2017 21:43 Holyflare wrote:You're so full of crap! On June 16 2017 04:54 sicklucker wrote:
meh I dont think xatas filter is that bad. at least his ideas are unconventional to the thread which I kind of expect his town play On June 16 2017 07:48 sicklucker wrote:
it kind of makes it easy that all my town reads are voting annul (ff rels ruxxarand to a lesser degree xata) On June 16 2017 07:49 sicklucker wrote:On June 16 2017 07:47 Holyflare wrote:On June 16 2017 07:45 Eversince wrote:
This is going to make me look like garbage.
I haven't read anything since pg 35ish. Give me the the rough of what's happen between now and then for Xata, Annul, and SL.
I don't have time to fact check so my vote is entirely blind at this point. sl came to the thread and town read xatalos because xatalos has different reads to most of the game (when in fact xatalos' reads are blending with the rest of the game sl says i'm mafia for calling all the town leaders mafia and it's my mafia meta when 100% of other games he states my mafia meta is to push lurkers sl is trying to force the wagon onto someone who is blatantly self-preserving and revealing his plan for all to see, who stubbornly refuses to change his reads despite everyone yelling at him mafia sl is mafia I said that because xata had a mafia read on ryan and everyone else town read him. get over it you lost save your buddy What has changed since this in any way that changes Xatalos' alignment? the other wagon was town in a really close and contested vote... That highly suggests hes mafia you know this your just trying to make me look bad On June 16 2017 21:58 Holyflare wrote:
I don't give a crap what mafia nonsense you're spouting. You led a wagon on a towny and have absolutely no reason to town read xata. I have MULTIPLE times corrected you that xata doesn't scum read rayn. Which is THE ONLY reason you said you town read Xata despite saying he has opposite readS!! to the thread, you could only quote one and it was wrong.
Then you pushed a wagon on a guy who was not scummy, openly referenced his grand survival plan multiple times and then even you acknowledged he was looking towny.
Then you try and take someone referencing the one troll post you did early game (because let's face it you really did nothing else) as a slight town read because she didn't call you mafia from one post. The thing is she didn't call you town either.
You're worming your way through falsehoods, trying to push events that never happened. Palmar didn't spite vote you from last game, I didn't vote you with no case, vivax wasn't "being bad". All of these are reconstructions of what is actually happening in the game. You even said if palmar was around he'd move his vote but he was around and said he'd keep it there.
Then Eversince comes and has no reason not to vote you. Xatalos' flip will certainly give a shit tonne of information and i hope to god he's town because then her not voting you is the final nail in your coffin. On June 16 2017 22:02 Holyflare wrote:On June 16 2017 08:16 sicklucker wrote:
to be fair tho I mostly drove the close lynch. and I know im town so from my perspective I dont think xata necessary has to be mafia. but I completely understand people who think he and I am from what happened I might think the same This is posted after the lynch. You don't even think it makes him mafia. A contested lynch means shit all. It's mafias job to make lynches mean nothing. It could be two towns, one mafia one town, anything. You haven't once used any information from it to make the reads nonsense you're posting. You have me in a lynch list with xatalos who you are now calling mafia despite me trying to also hammer him. You have really really bad reads in this list. You have Eversince who has been pushed by vivax for eternity and myself since the flip, no evaluation. You take bull shit posts and turn it into bigger bull shit reads and have no game sense. This is not the town SL I know that is solving conspiracy theories. This is an sl who more than likely saw his buddy xatalos up for lynch and fabricated nonsense to save him. When was the last time you tried on a day 1? When was there a time you've ever given a shit enough for a day 1 lynch to matter so much over a really thin town read on xata? Never, that's when. I will make people see the light. Fiery vengeance will rain down upon you. On June 16 2017 22:06 sicklucker wrote:
alright im not arguing with a lawyer anymore. unless your up for lynch
What is the false town read on Xatalos? I mean what stuff he said wasn't true. I just read his filter and tbh now i remember why i thought he was mafia on N1 but i got proven i was wrong because of the night kills N1. I wouldn't think anyone would understand that so i never bothered with it after. I don't think the read change on Xatalos makes sicklucker anything, maybe more likely town than mafia. Basically people were/are arguing that he knew Xatalos will be killed and that's why he changed his read mid-N1. But if he is mafia he knows that already when annul flips (or even before) so why doesn't he then just do it immediately after the flip, since he already has the reasoning ready (he is gonna use later on). It doesn't make any sense. Rest of it is not anything sicklucker did so i don't really care and the last point you debunked yourself in the same sentence..
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You can start posting baby sels now.
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On June 22 2017 05:26 Grackaroni wrote:?
I wanna know if i take whisky or beer.
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On June 22 2017 05:26 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 05:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 22 2017 05:13 disformation wrote:On June 22 2017 05:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What is even the case on sicklucker? The "he did townie things"? just posted it earlier... On June 22 2017 03:52 disformation wrote:On June 22 2017 03:38 sicklucker wrote:
disinfo let me try to change your mind since im pretty sure your one of the towns on this wagon and your here. what are your current problems with me this games to big to remember eh lemme try to give you a tldr. you were pushing annul super damn hard, but never explained why, although i asked you. you had a basically false tr on xata. as in that tr was based on stuff that wasnt true. then you admitted that annul was a bit town eod, but that didnt seem to bother you. after the annul flip you had a few posts saying that the voting stuff didnt necessairly make xata scum. ppl scumreading you tend to get shot at night. you had a uncharacteristically active d1 and fell off super hard after that. though yeah d2 was kinda auto. rels also has some stuffs here: On June 21 2017 20:44 Rels wrote:More killer stuff against SL, during N1. He can't explain why suddenly his Xata read changes just because it was a contested lynch. If he's scum he KNOWS Xata is gonna be probably killed soon, maybe even vig'd. On June 16 2017 21:30 sicklucker wrote:
This is my tenitive reads list from most likely town to most likely scum.
Fecalfeast
darthfoley
Rels
disformation
Palmar
Ruxxar
raynpelikoneet
Koshi
^ id be kind of surprised if these guys were scum
btdm
ruXxar
Tumblewood
Xatalos
Grackaroni
Skynx
Vivax
Eversince
Holyflare
marvellosity
I doubt its that accurate since theres alot of people and just started but I thought id share about where my heads at
On June 16 2017 21:36 Holyflare wrote:On June 16 2017 21:30 sicklucker wrote:
This is my tenitive reads list from most likely town to most likely scum.
Fecalfeast
darthfoley
Rels
disformation
Palmar
Ruxxar
raynpelikoneet
Koshi
^ id be kind of surprised if these guys were scum
btdm
ruXxar
Tumblewood
Xatalos
Grackaroni
Skynx
Vivax
Eversince
Holyflare
marvellosity
I doubt its that accurate since theres alot of people and just started but I thought id share about where my heads at
Nothing has changed. Absolutely 0 things have changed since you independently town read Xatalos based on his play. Zero. Zilch. Nada. Why is he not on your town list? On June 16 2017 21:43 Holyflare wrote:You're so full of crap! On June 16 2017 04:54 sicklucker wrote:
meh I dont think xatas filter is that bad. at least his ideas are unconventional to the thread which I kind of expect his town play On June 16 2017 07:48 sicklucker wrote:
it kind of makes it easy that all my town reads are voting annul (ff rels ruxxarand to a lesser degree xata) On June 16 2017 07:49 sicklucker wrote:On June 16 2017 07:47 Holyflare wrote:On June 16 2017 07:45 Eversince wrote:
This is going to make me look like garbage.
I haven't read anything since pg 35ish. Give me the the rough of what's happen between now and then for Xata, Annul, and SL.
I don't have time to fact check so my vote is entirely blind at this point. sl came to the thread and town read xatalos because xatalos has different reads to most of the game (when in fact xatalos' reads are blending with the rest of the game sl says i'm mafia for calling all the town leaders mafia and it's my mafia meta when 100% of other games he states my mafia meta is to push lurkers sl is trying to force the wagon onto someone who is blatantly self-preserving and revealing his plan for all to see, who stubbornly refuses to change his reads despite everyone yelling at him mafia sl is mafia I said that because xata had a mafia read on ryan and everyone else town read him. get over it you lost save your buddy What has changed since this in any way that changes Xatalos' alignment? On June 16 2017 21:56 sicklucker wrote:On June 16 2017 21:43 Holyflare wrote:You're so full of crap! On June 16 2017 04:54 sicklucker wrote:
meh I dont think xatas filter is that bad. at least his ideas are unconventional to the thread which I kind of expect his town play On June 16 2017 07:48 sicklucker wrote:
it kind of makes it easy that all my town reads are voting annul (ff rels ruxxarand to a lesser degree xata) On June 16 2017 07:49 sicklucker wrote:On June 16 2017 07:47 Holyflare wrote:On June 16 2017 07:45 Eversince wrote:
This is going to make me look like garbage.
I haven't read anything since pg 35ish. Give me the the rough of what's happen between now and then for Xata, Annul, and SL.
I don't have time to fact check so my vote is entirely blind at this point. sl came to the thread and town read xatalos because xatalos has different reads to most of the game (when in fact xatalos' reads are blending with the rest of the game sl says i'm mafia for calling all the town leaders mafia and it's my mafia meta when 100% of other games he states my mafia meta is to push lurkers sl is trying to force the wagon onto someone who is blatantly self-preserving and revealing his plan for all to see, who stubbornly refuses to change his reads despite everyone yelling at him mafia sl is mafia I said that because xata had a mafia read on ryan and everyone else town read him. get over it you lost save your buddy What has changed since this in any way that changes Xatalos' alignment? the other wagon was town in a really close and contested vote... That highly suggests hes mafia you know this your just trying to make me look bad On June 16 2017 21:58 Holyflare wrote:
I don't give a crap what mafia nonsense you're spouting. You led a wagon on a towny and have absolutely no reason to town read xata. I have MULTIPLE times corrected you that xata doesn't scum read rayn. Which is THE ONLY reason you said you town read Xata despite saying he has opposite readS!! to the thread, you could only quote one and it was wrong.
Then you pushed a wagon on a guy who was not scummy, openly referenced his grand survival plan multiple times and then even you acknowledged he was looking towny.
Then you try and take someone referencing the one troll post you did early game (because let's face it you really did nothing else) as a slight town read because she didn't call you mafia from one post. The thing is she didn't call you town either.
You're worming your way through falsehoods, trying to push events that never happened. Palmar didn't spite vote you from last game, I didn't vote you with no case, vivax wasn't "being bad". All of these are reconstructions of what is actually happening in the game. You even said if palmar was around he'd move his vote but he was around and said he'd keep it there.
Then Eversince comes and has no reason not to vote you. Xatalos' flip will certainly give a shit tonne of information and i hope to god he's town because then her not voting you is the final nail in your coffin. On June 16 2017 22:02 Holyflare wrote:On June 16 2017 08:16 sicklucker wrote:
to be fair tho I mostly drove the close lynch. and I know im town so from my perspective I dont think xata necessary has to be mafia. but I completely understand people who think he and I am from what happened I might think the same This is posted after the lynch. You don't even think it makes him mafia. A contested lynch means shit all. It's mafias job to make lynches mean nothing. It could be two towns, one mafia one town, anything. You haven't once used any information from it to make the reads nonsense you're posting. You have me in a lynch list with xatalos who you are now calling mafia despite me trying to also hammer him. You have really really bad reads in this list. You have Eversince who has been pushed by vivax for eternity and myself since the flip, no evaluation. You take bull shit posts and turn it into bigger bull shit reads and have no game sense. This is not the town SL I know that is solving conspiracy theories. This is an sl who more than likely saw his buddy xatalos up for lynch and fabricated nonsense to save him. When was the last time you tried on a day 1? When was there a time you've ever given a shit enough for a day 1 lynch to matter so much over a really thin town read on xata? Never, that's when. I will make people see the light. Fiery vengeance will rain down upon you. On June 16 2017 22:06 sicklucker wrote:
alright im not arguing with a lawyer anymore. unless your up for lynch What is the false town read on Xatalos? I mean what stuff he said wasn't true. I just read his filter and tbh now i remember why i thought he was mafia on N1 but i got proven i was wrong because of the night kills N1. I wouldn't think anyone would understand that so i never bothered with it after. I don't think the read change on Xatalos makes sicklucker anything, maybe more likely town than mafia. Basically people were/are arguing that he knew Xatalos will be killed and that's why he changed his read mid-N1. But if he is mafia he knows that already when annul flips (or even before) so why doesn't he then just do it immediately after the flip, since he already has the reasoning ready (he is gonna use later on). It doesn't make any sense. Rest of it is not anything sicklucker did so i don't really care and the last point you debunked yourself in the same sentence.. the xata thing:
he said xata hat original reads.
correct to: xata had an original read onto you.
ppl pointed out that the xata read on you wasnt even a proper scum read.but your point on the immediately after the flip stuff are good
let me read that again in his filter.
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On June 22 2017 05:30 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 05:17 Grackaroni wrote:On June 22 2017 05:14 VayneAuthority wrote:
well there isnt much to make a case out of for either.
SL because he managed to lead a lynch on annul over xat
grack based on his voting pattern
thats about it for concrete stuff. Anything else is objective fluff
it would be a shitty lynch if it was consolidated but it should give us good info either way What I dislike about you is that you make smart posts, but you act like you're completely above everything that is happening. I disagree with both of those things, I am literally playing this game as dry as possible. I might have made like one condescending post this game
You sure do look condescending at times. It's not that you are, i know that, but i can sure think why people see it that way. He is wrong though, you just post what you think and don't give any fucks about what other people think and that always makes you town, while you almost every game get lynched for it.
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On June 22 2017 05:32 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 05:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 22 2017 05:26 Grackaroni wrote:On June 22 2017 05:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hey Grack, 1 or 2? ? I wanna know if i take whisky or beer. Is that dependent on my alignment?
no, should it be?
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On June 22 2017 05:34 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 05:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 22 2017 05:26 disformation wrote:On June 22 2017 05:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 22 2017 05:13 disformation wrote:On June 22 2017 05:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What is even the case on sicklucker? The "he did townie things"? just posted it earlier... On June 22 2017 03:52 disformation wrote:On June 22 2017 03:38 sicklucker wrote:
disinfo let me try to change your mind since im pretty sure your one of the towns on this wagon and your here. what are your current problems with me this games to big to remember eh lemme try to give you a tldr. you were pushing annul super damn hard, but never explained why, although i asked you. you had a basically false tr on xata. as in that tr was based on stuff that wasnt true. then you admitted that annul was a bit town eod, but that didnt seem to bother you. after the annul flip you had a few posts saying that the voting stuff didnt necessairly make xata scum. ppl scumreading you tend to get shot at night. you had a uncharacteristically active d1 and fell off super hard after that. though yeah d2 was kinda auto. rels also has some stuffs here: On June 21 2017 20:44 Rels wrote:More killer stuff against SL, during N1. He can't explain why suddenly his Xata read changes just because it was a contested lynch. If he's scum he KNOWS Xata is gonna be probably killed soon, maybe even vig'd. On June 16 2017 21:30 sicklucker wrote:
This is my tenitive reads list from most likely town to most likely scum.
Fecalfeast
darthfoley
Rels
disformation
Palmar
Ruxxar
raynpelikoneet
Koshi
^ id be kind of surprised if these guys were scum
btdm
ruXxar
Tumblewood
Xatalos
Grackaroni
Skynx
Vivax
Eversince
Holyflare
marvellosity
I doubt its that accurate since theres alot of people and just started but I thought id share about where my heads at
On June 16 2017 21:36 Holyflare wrote:On June 16 2017 21:30 sicklucker wrote:
This is my tenitive reads list from most likely town to most likely scum.
Fecalfeast
darthfoley
Rels
disformation
Palmar
Ruxxar
raynpelikoneet
Koshi
^ id be kind of surprised if these guys were scum
btdm
ruXxar
Tumblewood
Xatalos
Grackaroni
Skynx
Vivax
Eversince
Holyflare
marvellosity
I doubt its that accurate since theres alot of people and just started but I thought id share about where my heads at
Nothing has changed. Absolutely 0 things have changed since you independently town read Xatalos based on his play. Zero. Zilch. Nada. Why is he not on your town list? On June 16 2017 21:43 Holyflare wrote:You're so full of crap! On June 16 2017 04:54 sicklucker wrote:
meh I dont think xatas filter is that bad. at least his ideas are unconventional to the thread which I kind of expect his town play On June 16 2017 07:48 sicklucker wrote:
it kind of makes it easy that all my town reads are voting annul (ff rels ruxxarand to a lesser degree xata) On June 16 2017 07:49 sicklucker wrote:On June 16 2017 07:47 Holyflare wrote:
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sl came to the thread and town read xatalos because xatalos has different reads to most of the game (when in fact xatalos' reads are blending with the rest of the game
sl says i'm mafia for calling all the town leaders mafia and it's my mafia meta when 100% of other games he states my mafia meta is to push lurkers
sl is trying to force the wagon onto someone who is blatantly self-preserving and revealing his plan for all to see, who stubbornly refuses to change his reads despite everyone yelling at him mafia
sl is mafia I said that because xata had a mafia read on ryan and everyone else town read him. get over it you lost save your buddy What has changed since this in any way that changes Xatalos' alignment? On June 16 2017 21:56 sicklucker wrote:On June 16 2017 21:43 Holyflare wrote:You're so full of crap! On June 16 2017 04:54 sicklucker wrote:
meh I dont think xatas filter is that bad. at least his ideas are unconventional to the thread which I kind of expect his town play On June 16 2017 07:48 sicklucker wrote:
it kind of makes it easy that all my town reads are voting annul (ff rels ruxxarand to a lesser degree xata) On June 16 2017 07:49 sicklucker wrote:
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I said that because xata had a mafia read on ryan and everyone else town read him. get over it you lost save your buddy What has changed since this in any way that changes Xatalos' alignment? the other wagon was town in a really close and contested vote... That highly suggests hes mafia you know this your just trying to make me look bad On June 16 2017 21:58 Holyflare wrote:
I don't give a crap what mafia nonsense you're spouting. You led a wagon on a towny and have absolutely no reason to town read xata. I have MULTIPLE times corrected you that xata doesn't scum read rayn. Which is THE ONLY reason you said you town read Xata despite saying he has opposite readS!! to the thread, you could only quote one and it was wrong.
Then you pushed a wagon on a guy who was not scummy, openly referenced his grand survival plan multiple times and then even you acknowledged he was looking towny.
Then you try and take someone referencing the one troll post you did early game (because let's face it you really did nothing else) as a slight town read because she didn't call you mafia from one post. The thing is she didn't call you town either.
You're worming your way through falsehoods, trying to push events that never happened. Palmar didn't spite vote you from last game, I didn't vote you with no case, vivax wasn't "being bad". All of these are reconstructions of what is actually happening in the game. You even said if palmar was around he'd move his vote but he was around and said he'd keep it there.
Then Eversince comes and has no reason not to vote you. Xatalos' flip will certainly give a shit tonne of information and i hope to god he's town because then her not voting you is the final nail in your coffin. On June 16 2017 22:02 Holyflare wrote:On June 16 2017 08:16 sicklucker wrote:
to be fair tho I mostly drove the close lynch. and I know im town so from my perspective I dont think xata necessary has to be mafia. but I completely understand people who think he and I am from what happened I might think the same This is posted after the lynch. You don't even think it makes him mafia. A contested lynch means shit all. It's mafias job to make lynches mean nothing. It could be two towns, one mafia one town, anything. You haven't once used any information from it to make the reads nonsense you're posting. You have me in a lynch list with xatalos who you are now calling mafia despite me trying to also hammer him. You have really really bad reads in this list. You have Eversince who has been pushed by vivax for eternity and myself since the flip, no evaluation. You take bull shit posts and turn it into bigger bull shit reads and have no game sense. This is not the town SL I know that is solving conspiracy theories. This is an sl who more than likely saw his buddy xatalos up for lynch and fabricated nonsense to save him. When was the last time you tried on a day 1? When was there a time you've ever given a shit enough for a day 1 lynch to matter so much over a really thin town read on xata? Never, that's when. I will make people see the light. Fiery vengeance will rain down upon you. On June 16 2017 22:06 sicklucker wrote:
alright im not arguing with a lawyer anymore. unless your up for lynch What is the false town read on Xatalos? I mean what stuff he said wasn't true. I just read his filter and tbh now i remember why i thought he was mafia on N1 but i got proven i was wrong because of the night kills N1. I wouldn't think anyone would understand that so i never bothered with it after. I don't think the read change on Xatalos makes sicklucker anything, maybe more likely town than mafia. Basically people were/are arguing that he knew Xatalos will be killed and that's why he changed his read mid-N1. But if he is mafia he knows that already when annul flips (or even before) so why doesn't he then just do it immediately after the flip, since he already has the reasoning ready (he is gonna use later on). It doesn't make any sense. Rest of it is not anything sicklucker did so i don't really care and the last point you debunked yourself in the same sentence.. the xata thing:
he said xata hat original reads.
correct to: xata had an original read onto you.
ppl pointed out that the xata read on you wasnt even a proper scum read.but your point on the immediately after the flip stuff are good let me read that again in his filter. Show nested quote +On June 16 2017 02:14 Xatalos wrote:I can't be online much until EOD today.. I think I'll be online like 1-2 hours before the deadline and then just have to sleep. Anyways, here are my main reads so far (some people have posted nothing / barely anything so they've been basically ignored in my memory, who knows, would be dice rolling on them). 1) ruxxar: Has a decent amount of posts, but mostly they've been red flags or questionable at best. No spirit of scumhunting so far, just random comments with unbelievable reasoning (like "strong first post!" -> "I didn't like the content, it was just townily unpolished" - ask yourself, does this sound like an excuse thought after the fact of posting a random comment or a genuine thought process? how is it "strong" if it's townily bad?, very, very meh). 2) rayn: Can still easily be scum. He's a very sneaky scum, and I'm still quite confused by his Koshi commentary. Hope he'll explain that soon(TM).3) annul: I'd have expected so much more after hearing about his reputation (although it seems to be years ago). There's just nothing to write home about in his filter. Nothing extremely scummy, but just no scumhunting, pushing the thread forward or anything. More like reluctant sideline commentary on some things he picked to comment about, things he could easily do as scum and should've done more than that as town. 4) Koshi: Not really sold on him being our best lynch. There was just nothing that I saw screamed "lynch now!", only slightly concerning points in a large amount of activity. TBH some of the discussions on Koshi have went over my head too as I've been reading the game very lacklusterly from my phone etc. In any case, when someone referenced the Koshi case to me earlier it didn't really cause me to want to vote for him. 4) FF: I'd say town. I just had a pleasant feeling reading his posts since the start, felt like he posted what he actually wanted to say and it made sense. 5) HF: Probably town too. Even if he exaggerates a bit in his cases, he's pushing the game forward and doing stuff all the time. Apparently it's also been his intention to generate discussion with stronger than usual pushes. Just feels more like a town game plan to hyper push and focus the attention on himself and his surroundings. As scum there would be easier targets for that than Koshi or rayn or Vivax etc. too, if the intention was to get people mislynched. 6) Vivax: I think what I liked about him earlier was his meta read on me. It felt honest rather than trying to just curry my favor or alternatively spread suspicion on me. Well, I may be biased  Vivax, my main problem with you when I read you sometime today was this post: On June 15 2017 06:26 Vivax wrote:On June 15 2017 06:24 Holyflare wrote:
Dunno why everyone hates ever, she's right that it's fucking awful koshi town reads me for a shit fight that in his opinion doesn't make sense. That's my scum meta 101. Yeah why would you hate someone who parrots your misreps of rayn like gospel? ...because, even if you called him out on misrepresenting things, that's one of the more blatant misrepresentations in the game in itself. Ever did not in fact ever "parrot" HF. He just referenced the case on rayn when asked, even though he clearly said he disagreed with it. That's far from parroting, it's the opposite. That's still bothering me. Not sure if it means scum or town Vivax yet though, I think it's not possible to come from either. 7) Eversince: unrelated to that, he is somewhat lackluster. Not fair to say he's "parroting" or "not having original thoughts" though. Clearly that's false. There are original thoughts in his filter, there's just so little of any content there. Conclusion: ??? Rest: no strong opinions one way or another. This might change if I had time to read their filters, but now I'll have to go for some time. So yeah, ruxxar/annul seem like our best bets today overall. Show nested quote +On June 16 2017 07:49 sicklucker wrote:On June 16 2017 07:47 Holyflare wrote:On June 16 2017 07:45 Eversince wrote:
This is going to make me look like garbage.
I haven't read anything since pg 35ish. Give me the the rough of what's happen between now and then for Xata, Annul, and SL.
I don't have time to fact check so my vote is entirely blind at this point. sl came to the thread and town read xatalos because xatalos has different reads to most of the game (when in fact xatalos' reads are blending with the rest of the game sl says i'm mafia for calling all the town leaders mafia and it's my mafia meta when 100% of other games he states my mafia meta is to push lurkers sl is trying to force the wagon onto someone who is blatantly self-preserving and revealing his plan for all to see, who stubbornly refuses to change his reads despite everyone yelling at him mafia sl is mafia I said that because xata had a mafia read on ryan and everyone else town read him. get over it you lost save your buddy
I mean in sicklucker's filter, i know Xatalos' read progression on me since i have been following his posts almost most closely from everyone this game.
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