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Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 20 2017 13:40 GMT
#3423
@BTDT we're not lynching Palmar 'cause he did nothing scummy and some other people did.
Filter length is something to consider but is not an absolute measure.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 20 2017 13:50 GMT
#3432
On June 20 2017 22:48 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2017 22:38 disformation wrote:
tbh.
my gut likes palmar/sl/skynx +1 more on annul


What happened to grack? Is he town now?

Every post you make seems fake to me.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 20 2017 13:59 GMT
#3447
ruxxar what are you trying to accomplish there ? I don't understand how that would make you solve the game.
On June 20 2017 22:51 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2017 22:50 disformation wrote:
On June 20 2017 22:48 ruXxar wrote:
On June 20 2017 22:38 disformation wrote:
tbh.
my gut likes palmar/sl/skynx +1 more on annul


What happened to grack? Is he town now?

+1 more on annul?


You sure went from confident in grack/rels to +1 on annul.

Are you trying to scumread disfo ? Or are you trying to see his thought process ? If it's the latter, why are you asking when it's quite clear from the last few pages ?
On June 20 2017 22:54 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2017 22:53 disformation wrote:
On June 20 2017 22:51 ruXxar wrote:
On June 20 2017 22:50 disformation wrote:
On June 20 2017 22:48 ruXxar wrote:
On June 20 2017 22:38 disformation wrote:
tbh.
my gut likes palmar/sl/skynx +1 more on annul


What happened to grack? Is he town now?

+1 more on annul?


You sure went from confident in grack/rels to +1 on annul.

yes. my reads change as i go back to review the contents of the game and interact with other players.
shocking i know.
yes i am way less confident in rels being scum.
might be grack might be es.
think lynching grack first is fine.


You think there was only 2 mafia on the annul vote?

You think it's obvious than 3+ scum were on the 7 people annul wagon ? When it's terrifying to take stances like that as scum ?
Not taking anything else into account, maybe there are 3 or 4 scums in the 7 people coutner wagon to a scum. But it's not likely. Scum will usually spread their votes, and it's fucking scary to vote on something you KNOW is wrong and is gonna be revealed, since it's the D1 vote. So I don't understand how you can have the mindset than it's super likely than 3 or 4 scums were on annul.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 20 2017 14:01 GMT
#3452
On June 20 2017 22:56 VayneAuthority wrote:
is btdt usually like that? never played with him.

because pushing the fake cop check (aka they make us decide between lynching scum/scum and its suspicious if he stays alive, in addition to him being townie to begin with) is absolutely insane.

That's borderline policy lynch unless that's just his usual

don't really remember. I know I was his coach in his first scumgame, and he was pretty ballsy, but this is even stronger than I remember him doing.
But look at what I've posted about him and his mindset towards disfo. It makes him town.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 20 2017 14:02 GMT
#3454
On June 20 2017 22:58 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2017 22:40 Rels wrote:
@BTDT we're not lynching Palmar 'cause he did nothing scummy and some other people did.
Filter length is something to consider but is not an absolute measure.

He did nothing townie, either. And a super bad reason to not lynch an obvious lurker. He managed to vote each cycle. He even comes in every now and then, throw accusations at people, doesn't follow up AND he freely admits to neither read nor care about this game.

I don't know why we don't lynch (or shoot) such a player.

We lynch him when we have no-one than we really think is scum.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 20 2017 14:39 GMT
#3471
Palmar, for sicklucker:
On June 20 2017 20:54 Rels wrote:
sicklucker being this motivated for a D1 lynch is pretty weird. + he didn't react the way I would expect him to HF pushing him. Remained strangely calm and collected for him while still trying to get annul lynched. Usually that's where he becomes super townie, by having sprayed of posts that are strange and genius at the same time. Didn't happened there. Didn't happen everywhere in his filter.
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2017 07:58 sicklucker wrote:
On June 16 2017 07:58 Holyflare wrote:
just realise that sicklucker just said annul has towny sounding posts just now and has absolutely no real reason to scum read annul but is voting him over xata who he doesn't even realise doesn't scum read rayn


i said very slightly convincing plz...

And HF is killed N1 despite being a likely doc protect.
+ it might be pretty ironic for me to say that against him. But at EOD1 I doubted my vote hardcore because of some annul posts and almsot switched to Xata. SL might be the best player at reading those situations, but he didn't switch, and didn't even show it made him think. Like, I would have expected him to play at least like he described I did:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2017 21:15 sicklucker wrote:
On June 16 2017 11:50 darthfoley wrote:
Rels also looks problematic given his enter the thread, procede to not vote then voted as the 5th on annul to tie it 5-5.

Not like I Rels out from a mile away


na rels is alright his logic was good he looked hesitant at the end too

+ after that I become one of his main target despite being one of his main townread for no reason other than "let's lynch in the annul wagon".

I think I wanna lynch SL. What's good too is that if he's town it should become obvious.

On June 20 2017 21:46 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2017 20:09 Holyflare wrote:
On June 16 2017 07:58 Holyflare wrote:
just realise that sicklucker just said annul has towny sounding posts just now and has absolutely no real reason to scum read annul but is voting him over xata who he doesn't even realise doesn't scum read rayn


Such a good post.

Show nested quote +
On June 16 2017 22:02 Holyflare wrote:
On June 16 2017 08:16 sicklucker wrote:
to be fair tho I mostly drove the close lynch. and I know im town so from my perspective I dont think xata necessary has to be mafia. but I completely understand people who think he and I am from what happened I might think the same


This is posted after the lynch. You don't even think it makes him mafia. A contested lynch means shit all. It's mafias job to make lynches mean nothing. It could be two towns, one mafia one town, anything. You haven't once used any information from it to make the reads nonsense you're posting.

You have me in a lynch list with xatalos who you are now calling mafia despite me trying to also hammer him. You have really really bad reads in this list. You have Eversince who has been pushed by vivax for eternity and myself since the flip, no evaluation.

You take bull shit posts and turn it into bigger bull shit reads and have no game sense. This is not the town SL I know that is solving conspiracy theories. This is an sl who more than likely saw his buddy xatalos up for lynch and fabricated nonsense to save him. When was the last time you tried on a day 1? When was there a time you've ever given a shit enough for a day 1 lynch to matter so much over a really thin town read on xata? Never, that's when.

I will make people see the light. Fiery vengeance will rain down upon you.

Show nested quote +
On June 17 2017 02:31 Holyflare wrote:
Also now that I'm reminded of it. That skynx read post was reaaaaalllyyy bad.

Show nested quote +
On June 17 2017 03:25 Holyflare wrote:
On June 17 2017 00:54 Skynx wrote:
Anyway for sure 1 scum between sl/fefe/rux. They all look equally bad dunno where to start.
Grack ninja vote is terrible. Eversince and Rels keep going down in ranks but i havent read their eod properly yet.
Other terrible votes off train are btdt and TW. Maybe Vivax aswell but i think he is town.
My plan is to also ignore HF and Palmar for a bit. They can be any alignment and so far pretty useless, too high level stuff for me.
VA can go suck a dick.
rayn is a mystery

I think tomorrow we can start the lynch with grack or any of first trio that started the train.

Updated townlist: disfo, df, damdred, Koshi, Vivax

Sl/ruxxar/tw/btdt/HF for postgame cred


Why isn't xata in this list anywhere?

And why am I scum with sl after trying to lynch him?


In the last quotes, first two quotes are about SL, last two are about Skynx.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 20 2017 14:49 GMT
#3473
On June 20 2017 23:11 Palmar wrote:
Can someone also link to a case on Grack?

ruxxar's "case":
On June 20 2017 21:07 ruXxar wrote:
Lynch grack:
Ruxxar
Disformation
Vivax
Darthfoley
FecalFeast
VayneAuthority
Skynx
Rayn
Eversince
Chezitwo
Sicklucker

No opinion on grack:
Palmar
Beentheredonethat
Blazinghand

Thinks grack is town:
Tumblewood
Rels


People voting for grack(automatic town pile for today):
Ruxxar
Fefe
Chezitwo
Beentheredonethat


The grack case posted from earlier

+ Show Spoiler +

On June 18 2017 21:39 Vivax wrote:
Since you seem bored.

Can you explain why you think Grack is mafia?


Sure!

Let's start with the obvious:

1) He hammers the town lynch.

On June 16 2017 07:47 Grackaroni wrote:
##Vote: Annul


At the point of this vote, the votes are 5 on annul, 5 on xatalos.
Grackaroni pushes it over the edge with this vote to 6-5 in favor of annul.

2) He doesn't try to solve the game.

How many scum reads did he have the whole game? Let's see:

DF:

On June 15 2017 04:10 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2017 03:57 darthfoley wrote:
On June 15 2017 03:57 Grackaroni wrote:
On June 15 2017 03:49 disformation wrote:
@xata: ruxxar gave his reason to vote koshi later on.
On June 15 2017 02:32 ruXxar wrote:
On June 15 2017 02:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
On June 15 2017 02:05 ruXxar wrote:
I have read Koshis filter and determined he is mafia.

##vote koshi


Care to elaborate?

Oh also ##vote ruxxar


Sure.

This post:

On June 14 2017 20:22 Koshi wrote:
On June 14 2017 19:49 Holyflare wrote:
Wow i got him boys.

Rayn comes in with the defence. Totes mafia too.

btw if you type things like this, one might think you are just throwing suspicion around and not solving the game.
You can't call me 3p, and then call rayn mafia with me. I guess you can. But it doesn't make sense.
And I am pretty sure my play will not match mafia meta.


I don't like this statement. Comparing his own play to what an expected "mafia meta" is as a defense and validation of his own play seems like he's way too concious of how he's trying to project himself.

Add that on top of all his waffling reads between scum/town, and non-commital it makes it seem to me like he's trying to thread a golden middleground.

but as fefe pointed out:
On June 15 2017 02:40 Fecalfeast wrote:
On June 15 2017 02:32 ruXxar wrote:
On June 15 2017 02:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
On June 15 2017 02:05 ruXxar wrote:
I have read Koshis filter and determined he is mafia.

##vote koshi


Care to elaborate?

Oh also ##vote ruxxar


Sure.

This post:

On June 14 2017 20:22 Koshi wrote:
On June 14 2017 19:49 Holyflare wrote:
Wow i got him boys.

Rayn comes in with the defence. Totes mafia too.

btw if you type things like this, one might think you are just throwing suspicion around and not solving the game.
You can't call me 3p, and then call rayn mafia with me. I guess you can. But it doesn't make sense.
And I am pretty sure my play will not match mafia meta.


I don't like this statement. Comparing his own play to what an expected "mafia meta" is as a defense and validation of his own play seems like he's way too concious of how he's trying to project himself.

Add that on top of all his waffling reads between scum/town, and non-commital it makes it seem to me like he's trying to thread a golden middleground.

I actually like this explanation. Sorta wish you said this instead of just 'read Koshi's filter decided he's mafia' as now I'm suspicious you went back to read his filter after my post to find a post that is suspect.


For the second part:

People generally think this is scummy and it's not. It just generates suspicion because people don't like to see unjustified reads.

Mafia won't ever just carelessly throw out a scum read without giving any thought about how they are going to defend it unless they are under some kind of heavy pressure to produce a read.

Also I liked Ruxxar's reasoning for his Koshi vote.


who do you think is scum?

I'm kinda looking at you tbh.


On June 15 2017 04:38 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2017 04:27 darthfoley wrote:
On June 15 2017 04:10 Grackaroni wrote:
On June 15 2017 03:57 darthfoley wrote:
On June 15 2017 03:57 Grackaroni wrote:
On June 15 2017 03:49 disformation wrote:
@xata: ruxxar gave his reason to vote koshi later on.
On June 15 2017 02:32 ruXxar wrote:
On June 15 2017 02:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
On June 15 2017 02:05 ruXxar wrote:
I have read Koshis filter and determined he is mafia.

##vote koshi


Care to elaborate?

Oh also ##vote ruxxar


Sure.

This post:

On June 14 2017 20:22 Koshi wrote:
On June 14 2017 19:49 Holyflare wrote:
Wow i got him boys.

Rayn comes in with the defence. Totes mafia too.

btw if you type things like this, one might think you are just throwing suspicion around and not solving the game.
You can't call me 3p, and then call rayn mafia with me. I guess you can. But it doesn't make sense.
And I am pretty sure my play will not match mafia meta.


I don't like this statement. Comparing his own play to what an expected "mafia meta" is as a defense and validation of his own play seems like he's way too concious of how he's trying to project himself.

Add that on top of all his waffling reads between scum/town, and non-commital it makes it seem to me like he's trying to thread a golden middleground.

but as fefe pointed out:
On June 15 2017 02:40 Fecalfeast wrote:
On June 15 2017 02:32 ruXxar wrote:
On June 15 2017 02:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
On June 15 2017 02:05 ruXxar wrote:
I have read Koshis filter and determined he is mafia.

##vote koshi


Care to elaborate?

Oh also ##vote ruxxar


Sure.

This post:

On June 14 2017 20:22 Koshi wrote:
On June 14 2017 19:49 Holyflare wrote:
Wow i got him boys.

Rayn comes in with the defence. Totes mafia too.

btw if you type things like this, one might think you are just throwing suspicion around and not solving the game.
You can't call me 3p, and then call rayn mafia with me. I guess you can. But it doesn't make sense.
And I am pretty sure my play will not match mafia meta.


I don't like this statement. Comparing his own play to what an expected "mafia meta" is as a defense and validation of his own play seems like he's way too concious of how he's trying to project himself.

Add that on top of all his waffling reads between scum/town, and non-commital it makes it seem to me like he's trying to thread a golden middleground.

I actually like this explanation. Sorta wish you said this instead of just 'read Koshi's filter decided he's mafia' as now I'm suspicious you went back to read his filter after my post to find a post that is suspect.


For the second part:

People generally think this is scummy and it's not. It just generates suspicion because people don't like to see unjustified reads.

Mafia won't ever just carelessly throw out a scum read without giving any thought about how they are going to defend it unless they are under some kind of heavy pressure to produce a read.

Also I liked Ruxxar's reasoning for his Koshi vote.


who do you think is scum?

I'm kinda looking at you tbh.


Look at me as much as you like, but why?

I'm mostly just looking for someone kinda in the middle blending in.


Disfo:

On June 15 2017 07:36 Grackaroni wrote:
I like Rayn too though. And I'm ok with a Disfo lynch.


HF:

On June 16 2017 07:32 Grackaroni wrote:
Holy flare seems like a very good vote. He's being ridiculously over the top trying to push this SL lynch.

I haven't liked either of his Vivax/Koshi pushes. And he dragged the Vivax one out for the hell of it.


On June 16 2017 07:10 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2017 06:58 annul wrote:
not at all. i am 1 switch away from majority. with the tiebreaker being what it is, i have no choice.

i WANT to vote for koshi/ruxxar since they are both mafia and either is a fine kill. but alas.

Annul seems like an ok lynch to me. I dislike that he doesn't waver at all in his Koshi read after 10 pages of filter.

It would be worthwhile to check if he tends to be very confident in his reads as town, because his are still based on things from the early game.

I'm on my phone on a train, and the internet is not great.


Palmar:

On June 19 2017 03:36 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2017 03:36 Palmar wrote:
Ill figure out why we're all so happy together tomorrow

Where've you been PALMAR?

Scummy scum scum.



"I'm ok with". "Seems like". There's 0 commitment to anything here. Just superficial non-sense without any substance.
So obviously he followed up and actually tried to push his scum reads? Nope.
Well, at least he voted for his scum reads? Nope.

It's like a total non-commitment to any of his "reads" and just screams "I'm just trying to blend in".
And thats the total effort he's put into scumhunting the whole game.


Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 20 2017 15:07 GMT
#3479
On June 21 2017 00:03 VayneAuthority wrote:
So a common ground between DF and vivax the most recent NKs was Grack/rayn as targets.

Vivax also scumread ES/me.

DF softed blue all yesterday but he wasn't, could be another reason he died besides being very town.

Oh yeah, I remember facepalming when I read a post where it was SO OBVIOUS so he was faking it.
On June 21 2017 00:03 VayneAuthority wrote:
So I see no reason to oppose a grack lynch with this info.

Maybe instead of mechanically choosing your lynch target you should read what people are talking about and vote who is the scummiest dude mmmmm ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 20 2017 15:08 GMT
#3480
and since we're there, your read on rayn ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 20 2017 15:09 GMT
#3482
On June 19 2017 22:42 darthfoley wrote:
I hope tonight's actions provide some clarity to the inactives and shit. I thoroughly expect me and disformation to die, but hopefully the medic can save one of us.

17 people left in the game, probably 12 or 13v4 depending if there's 3p. Scum get 2 kp tonight, and there might be 3p KP. So hopefully medic/jk/whatever can save someone. At least we have 2 checks after tonight without a roleblock

Theres probably 3 or 4 town roles. Hopefully they don't get shot tonight. I would hate to die before revealing all that I know


this last sentence. =D
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 20 2017 15:56 GMT
#3489
On June 21 2017 00:13 VayneAuthority wrote:
have I read rayn's filter extensively? no not really. Players like that open themselves up to being late game vetted. I have no reason to look at him right now. Obviously a lot of rayn's alignment depends on yours, gamewise and due to the night kills. There is a veteran presence on the scum team I would expect, especially after that vivax NK. I don't feel like he was universally TR or particularly worrisome, so he either got NK'd out of respect or because he was right.

I have always operated from a mechanical standpoint, I don't do convos

Alright. What about SL ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 20 2017 20:54 GMT
#3603
On June 21 2017 02:20 Grackaroni wrote:
Vayneauthority was completely disconnected from the thread at the end of the day, dropping a role playing post and then calling out Skynx while making no attempt to convince people of his read.

Conclusion: Likely scum

I've got to go I can continue this later.

You've ever played with him ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 20 2017 20:55 GMT
#3605
On June 21 2017 02:28 Skynx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2017 08:26 Rels wrote:
getting tired so I will stop reading filters. I think Grack is town for the post I quoted earlier + that post where he called out the overall sentiement that scum had to be in annul's wagon. I thought the same thing reading those last pages.
##Vote raynpelikoneet
Get smart or die.

I might be blind but I can't find any Grack quotes in your filter before this post.

On June 20 2017 06:58 Rels wrote:
but Grack showing he remembered a random post from Palmar means it's likely he's either scum with marv, or not scum. Cause him remembering this random post means he read Palmar's filter (so he's town) or this post stucked to him 'cause marv is his partner. Most likely

Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 20 2017 21:09 GMT
#3621
On June 21 2017 03:11 Skynx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2017 21:23 Rels wrote:
SL / BH
rayn / ruxxar / Skynx
Palmar / Chezitwo / VA
ES / FF / Tumble / Grack
BTDT / disfo

That makes me feel good. This makes sense.


So there are 5 scumreads here, lets see the reasonings behind them.

Show nested quote +
On June 20 2017 21:20 Rels wrote:
OK I'm done with my free time. Let's get a wagon starting on sicklucker.
##Vote sicklucker

Show nested quote +
On June 20 2017 20:54 Rels wrote:
sicklucker being this motivated for a D1 lynch is pretty weird. + he didn't react the way I would expect him to HF pushing him. Remained strangely calm and collected for him while still trying to get annul lynched. Usually that's where he becomes super townie, by having sprayed of posts that are strange and genius at the same time. Didn't happened there. Didn't happen everywhere in his filter.
On June 16 2017 07:58 sicklucker wrote:
On June 16 2017 07:58 Holyflare wrote:
just realise that sicklucker just said annul has towny sounding posts just now and has absolutely no real reason to scum read annul but is voting him over xata who he doesn't even realise doesn't scum read rayn


i said very slightly convincing plz...

And HF is killed N1 despite being a likely doc protect.
+ it might be pretty ironic for me to say that against him. But at EOD1 I doubted my vote hardcore because of some annul posts and almsot switched to Xata. SL might be the best player at reading those situations, but he didn't switch, and didn't even show it made him think. Like, I would have expected him to play at least like he described I did:
On June 16 2017 21:15 sicklucker wrote:
On June 16 2017 11:50 darthfoley wrote:
Rels also looks problematic given his enter the thread, procede to not vote then voted as the 5th on annul to tie it 5-5.

Not like I Rels out from a mile away


na rels is alright his logic was good he looked hesitant at the end too

+ after that I become one of his main target despite being one of his main townread for no reason other than "let's lynch in the annul wagon".

I think I wanna lynch SL. What's good too is that if he's town it should become obvious.

Meta read is irrelevant here, sl is just a troll he can do anything in D1 and wouldn't prolly be ai.
Second point is very ironic yeah i dunno whats your point here? If you're scumreading sl for that doesn't that makes you scum aswell???
You became everyone's main target because your filter was bad until today started basically. I can kinda see why he tr you earlier with your early list and everything.

Are you just bussing sl??

Nope, SL is not a random post generator D1. His play was anything but trolly EOD1.
On June 21 2017 03:11 Skynx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2017 08:11 Rels wrote:
BH didn't convince me. Spending all this time arguing with BTDT that went nowhere


Pretty much all about BH to make him his equally hardest scumread.

Yep. So ? You're missing some talk with disfo along the way of BH becoming a main scumread.
On June 21 2017 03:11 Skynx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2017 21:16 Rels wrote:
On June 17 2017 00:54 Skynx wrote:
Anyway for sure 1 scum between sl/fefe/rux. They all look equally bad dunno where to start.
Grack ninja vote is terrible. Eversince and Rels keep going down in ranks but i havent read their eod properly yet.
Other terrible votes off train are btdt and TW. Maybe Vivax aswell but i think he is town.
My plan is to also ignore HF and Palmar for a bit. They can be any alignment and so far pretty useless, too high level stuff for me.
VA can go suck a dick.
rayn is a mystery

I think tomorrow we can start the lynch with grack or any of first trio that started the train.

Updated townlist: disfo, df, damdred, Koshi, Vivax

Sl/ruxxar/tw/btdt/HF for postgame cred

Don't like the bolded though. An easy list to make the seems good but does nothing.
On June 20 2017 02:10 Skynx wrote:
Starting my annul train series with the first trio of sl/ruxxar/fefe

On June 16 2017 03:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
I think if we're letting rucksack live we should kill annul


On June 16 2017 03:11 sicklucker wrote:
##vote annul i agree nice ninja ff you get a cheap townread. I just voted him after reading his filter

Got one boys and im super trendy because no one voted him yet so bonus points


On June 16 2017 03:12 ruXxar wrote:
On June 16 2017 03:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
I think if we're letting rucksack live we should kill annul


I'm down.


On June 16 2017 07:23 Rels wrote:
Don't see a town motivation on annul's vote on Xata then begging Xata to vote SL.
EITHER he prefers to lynch SL, then voting SL at that point puts him above him with 1 hour to see what happens
OR he prefers Xata, but why the begging to Xata so he votes SL then
Doesn't make any sense. Scum. Very likely


On June 16 2017 07:10 Grackaroni wrote:
On June 16 2017 06:58 annul wrote:
not at all. i am 1 switch away from majority. with the tiebreaker being what it is, i have no choice.

i WANT to vote for koshi/ruxxar since they are both mafia and either is a fine kill. but alas.

Annul seems like an ok lynch to me. I dislike that he doesn't waver at all in his Koshi read after 10 pages of filter.

It would be worthwhile to check if he tends to be very confident in his reads as town, because his are still based on things from the early game.

I'm on my phone on a train, and the internet is not great.


On June 16 2017 07:45 Eversince wrote:
This is going to make me look like garbage.

I haven't read anything since pg 35ish. Give me the the rough of what's happen between now and then for Xata, Annul, and SL.

I don't have time to fact check so my vote is entirely blind at this point.



Don't know where to begin...

On June 20 2017 02:24 Skynx wrote:
Everyone on the train had terrible reasons for voting annul. Makes it kinda harder to analyze, scum could be all there tbf. No one had an outstanding read on Xata either, mainly this and that. All 6 I'd lynch 1 by 1 except Ruxxar maybe as he's picking up the game.

On June 20 2017 02:30 Skynx wrote:
One thing I noted tho, when it was 6-5 to annul, Eversince came late into thread and claimed he's clueless with that post but he took another 12 mins to think about who to vote.
From a town point, if you're clueless, making the train 6-6 shouldn't really bother you but if you're scum you're literally offering your RB on a silver platter.

On June 20 2017 02:47 Skynx wrote:
I feel like few votes on him and Grack will start spilling all the beans.

And this looks like he started fabricating a vote analyze but didn't know how to do it. There is nothing there. Like the bolded above, he points that every reasonning is bad and he wants to lynch every player. No game solving there.

Not trying to push game forward and all.

I didn't understand anything from rayn interaction, I assume they are disagreeing on reads?
Ruxxar pretty much the same I don't get the sr but apparently you sr him from very early on, why not vote him when he had bunch of people on him??

There is a general lack of structure in these scumreads, he reads the game thats for sure but he just quotes posts and makes up bunch of reasons out of nowhere.
Lets look at the townreads,

I actually found the one about Grack
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On June 20 2017 06:58 Rels wrote:
but Grack showing he remembered a random post from Palmar means it's likely he's either scum with marv, or not scum. Cause him remembering this random post means he read Palmar's filter (so he's town) or this post stucked to him 'cause marv is his partner. Most likely


This is just laughable, Grack has arguably the worst filter in the game along with ES and gets the easiest tr based on something so superficial.

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On June 20 2017 20:27 Rels wrote:
On June 20 2017 19:49 beentheredonethat wrote:
I'm on page 11. I have to admit that his N1 looks very good, especially asking the vig shot to be directed towards Xata. However, Xata doesn't die, so either vig didn't shoot or mafia has a protection mechanic or the roleblock got lucky? Hm, speculations. I'd say scum has a protective mechanic

looooool
never scum. BTDT is never ever scum. This is him solving the game right there. Speculating that the scumteam might have a prot role 'cause it fits with his belief that disfo is scum. I'm never ever voting him.
Sry BTDT but I'm not convinced at all by your case. Apart from point 1 which is what annoyed me about disfo at the beginning. But the rest is him being disfo. Doesn't make him scum.


More easy tr's, did you even read rest of btdt filter? He's not making 1 bit of sense since start of the game and above post can be very easily fabricated by mafia. I don't even think I'd come up with this one if i was really trying hard to tr btdt.

Nope, I don't believe above post can be very easily fabricated by mafia. Not making sense don't mean he's scum. You've played with him before.

On June 21 2017 03:11 Skynx wrote:
Concluding point:

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On June 20 2017 21:00 Rels wrote:
Actually I just did.

On June 15 2017 00:18 Tumblewood wrote:
On June 15 2017 00:14 Koshi wrote:
On June 15 2017 00:12 Tumblewood wrote:
so far i'm thinking ruxxar and disfo have basically dumbtelled by taking sl's claim at fake value. unless i am actually operating on way less irony than them

Don't think they are dumbtelled town for believing a claim.
They are more likely town if SL is mafia.

or what do you mean?

believing the claim requires not realizing that sl just made that up. and if rux or disfo are mafia then they should figure that out because it doesn't reconcile at all with the information that they have. i think there's a corner case of this where they're mafia with eversince, but i figure they are still probably town. and if sl is mafia... idk, at least disfo is kinda scrubby and might take it as a legit fakeclaim

this is kinda townie

Nothing else stands out of to me as town or scum. The activity is bad ofc though. I want him to play more.


Mind you he makes a similar post about me but I'm still scum and TW is town????

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On June 20 2017 21:08 Rels wrote:
On June 16 2017 03:39 Skynx wrote:
Koshi is not screaming and calling this town shit, he might be mafia actually

this is kinda townie. Weird thing to say to a town leader that is obviously not getting lynched


Like wtf? He just finds reasons in his universe that makes someone town or scum but apparently they don't apply to everyone in same value. It is most clearly seen in sl and simple tr on me and tw.
I just can't follow any of his reads, sorry.

##Vote: Rels

LOL you can't believe that. Yes there are two posts that point out a townie thing for Tumble and for you. THEN THERE ARE TWO OTHERS POSTS, ONE THAT TALK WITH DISFO ABOUT ANOTHER TOWNIE THING ON DISFO, ONE THAT DISCOVER SOMETHING BAD IN YOUR FILTER.
On tumble
Skynx
Makes no sense that you wouldn't check why could have changed my mind. You just found a change and used it to attack me.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 20 2017 21:12 GMT
#3623
On June 21 2017 05:49 sicklucker wrote:
dont care afk. rels and grack gave to die to advance the game its standard vote logic stuff.

almost always mafia in a 5 mafia game

YES WAY TO GO. LETS AUTO LYNCH THE FOLLOWING 48 HOURS. THAT USUALLY WORKS WELL FOR TOWN
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 20 2017 21:13 GMT
#3626
On June 21 2017 05:55 sicklucker wrote:
and ya I like how all the nk's point to me. no like I really fucking love it. Its quite obvious mafia want to lynch me.

Its evidence to how awful they are.

Maybe palmars mafia after all. He might be delusional enough to think he can get me lynched even tho I never get lynched when I dont want to be. He seems to have lost all respect for me.

Hes also the only one actually pushing me and the nk's suggest there trying to push me

How does the NK point at you ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 20 2017 21:14 GMT
#3627
On June 21 2017 05:57 ruXxar wrote:
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On June 21 2017 05:49 sicklucker wrote:
dont care afk. rels and grack gave to die to advance the game its standard vote logic stuff.

almost always mafia in a 5 mafia game


This is like honey to my ears.
SL going up on town list.

I wanna lynch so many people
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 20 2017 21:17 GMT
#3631
On June 21 2017 06:16 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2017 06:13 Rels wrote:
On June 21 2017 05:55 sicklucker wrote:
and ya I like how all the nk's point to me. no like I really fucking love it. Its quite obvious mafia want to lynch me.

Its evidence to how awful they are.

Maybe palmars mafia after all. He might be delusional enough to think he can get me lynched even tho I never get lynched when I dont want to be. He seems to have lost all respect for me.

Hes also the only one actually pushing me and the nk's suggest there trying to push me

How does the NK point at you ?


not reading the game are we?

can you answer the fucking question
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 20 2017 21:19 GMT
#3634
SL I'm gonna do everything in my power to lynch you. You're not making sense. You're always tinfoiling at situations that look too good to be true. That makes no sense
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 20 2017 21:20 GMT
#3635
Today is the day SL is dying
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