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disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 20 2017 11:57 GMT
#3361
On June 20 2017 20:55 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2017 20:46 disformation wrote:
also explained earlier why not tw today

quote ? I'm almost out of time so I can't read his filter now

stealing vivi's tw read.
On June 20 2017 17:19 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2017 17:17 disformation wrote:
on a random ass side note: vivi was townreading rels imo.

Show nested quote +
On June 19 2017 23:53 Vivax wrote:
I believe at this point mafia has big difficulties just coming into the thread and trying to push townies without feeling like they're looking awful.

I predict an easy game

There's just to hope that it will remain this way after the NKs.
But I volunteer to carry on your legacies if I'm not the kill.

My legacy if I die is

- lynch grack and ES, grack first if possible.
- never lynch FF
- consider that Rels can be town
- force SL to play more
- keep an eye on ruxxar if he keeps on surviving while he keeps posting as much as he did D2. I still kind of respect annuls D1 read on him along with my points.
- And last but not least, never forget what happened in previous days or D1 for that matter when previously lurky people start to try and look more active as the game progresses.

I'm being pretty ballsy here but I think Skynx and TW are town. Skynx had good D1 and his list of 5 people for postgame cred is so wrong that I think he can't be mafia.

Sl/ruxxar/tw/btdt/HF for postgame cred


Same for TW who as mafia is prone to the mistake of trying to be too right in his reads and ends up posting correct reads on most people . When he doesn't care too much about being in sync with rest of town and openly looks bad in his voting patterns, he's probably town..



also why am i posting this much when none of you censored read them or call me scum for it anyways. =p
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 20 2017 11:58 GMT
#3362
really need to learn to play like tw or bh and just give no fucks.
i actually think i did a somewhat acceptable job of that this game b4 today.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 20 2017 12:00 GMT
#3363
Actually I just did.

On June 15 2017 00:18 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2017 00:14 Koshi wrote:
On June 15 2017 00:12 Tumblewood wrote:
so far i'm thinking ruxxar and disfo have basically dumbtelled by taking sl's claim at fake value. unless i am actually operating on way less irony than them

Don't think they are dumbtelled town for believing a claim.
They are more likely town if SL is mafia.

or what do you mean?

believing the claim requires not realizing that sl just made that up. and if rux or disfo are mafia then they should figure that out because it doesn't reconcile at all with the information that they have. i think there's a corner case of this where they're mafia with eversince, but i figure they are still probably town. and if sl is mafia... idk, at least disfo is kinda scrubby and might take it as a legit fakeclaim

this is kinda townie

Nothing else stands out of to me as town or scum. The activity is bad ofc though. I want him to play more.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 20 2017 12:01 GMT
#3364
On June 20 2017 20:58 disformation wrote:
really need to learn to play like tw or bh and just give no fucks.
i actually think i did a somewhat acceptable job of that this game b4 today.

lol
if this is fake I'm gonna hate you so much p:
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 20 2017 12:02 GMT
#3365
well he still kinda does his town thing where he pops in, throws out a few (explained) reads that have 0 regards to thread consent and gtfos
did play like this in another recent game as well.

but yeah his activity could be better so i am not too sure on this.

still like him more than a bunch of other ppl this game
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 20 2017 12:04 GMT
#3366
On June 20 2017 21:02 disformation wrote:
well he still kinda does his town thing where he pops in, throws out a few (explained) reads that have 0 regards to thread consent and gtfos
did play like this in another recent game as well.

but yeah his activity could be better so i am not too sure on this.

still like him more than a bunch of other ppl this game

thats on tw.
combine this with vivi's read on tw to get a town lean
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 20 2017 12:04 GMT
#3367
yeah Vivax' thing is pretty good
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 20 2017 12:06 GMT
#3368
game might be pretty easy
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 20 2017 12:07 GMT
#3369
Lynch grack:
Ruxxar
Disformation
Vivax
Darthfoley
FecalFeast
VayneAuthority
Skynx
Rayn
Eversince
Chezitwo
Sicklucker

No opinion on grack:
Palmar
Beentheredonethat
Blazinghand

Thinks grack is town:
Tumblewood
Rels


People voting for grack(automatic town pile for today):
Ruxxar
Fefe
Chezitwo
Beentheredonethat


The grack case posted from earlier

+ Show Spoiler +

On June 18 2017 21:39 Vivax wrote:
Since you seem bored.

Can you explain why you think Grack is mafia?


Sure!

Let's start with the obvious:

1) He hammers the town lynch.

On June 16 2017 07:47 Grackaroni wrote:
##Vote: Annul


At the point of this vote, the votes are 5 on annul, 5 on xatalos.
Grackaroni pushes it over the edge with this vote to 6-5 in favor of annul.

2) He doesn't try to solve the game.

How many scum reads did he have the whole game? Let's see:

DF:

On June 15 2017 04:10 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2017 03:57 darthfoley wrote:
On June 15 2017 03:57 Grackaroni wrote:
On June 15 2017 03:49 disformation wrote:
@xata: ruxxar gave his reason to vote koshi later on.
On June 15 2017 02:32 ruXxar wrote:
On June 15 2017 02:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
On June 15 2017 02:05 ruXxar wrote:
I have read Koshis filter and determined he is mafia.

##vote koshi


Care to elaborate?

Oh also ##vote ruxxar


Sure.

This post:

On June 14 2017 20:22 Koshi wrote:
On June 14 2017 19:49 Holyflare wrote:
Wow i got him boys.

Rayn comes in with the defence. Totes mafia too.

btw if you type things like this, one might think you are just throwing suspicion around and not solving the game.
You can't call me 3p, and then call rayn mafia with me. I guess you can. But it doesn't make sense.
And I am pretty sure my play will not match mafia meta.


I don't like this statement. Comparing his own play to what an expected "mafia meta" is as a defense and validation of his own play seems like he's way too concious of how he's trying to project himself.

Add that on top of all his waffling reads between scum/town, and non-commital it makes it seem to me like he's trying to thread a golden middleground.

but as fefe pointed out:
On June 15 2017 02:40 Fecalfeast wrote:
On June 15 2017 02:32 ruXxar wrote:
On June 15 2017 02:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
On June 15 2017 02:05 ruXxar wrote:
I have read Koshis filter and determined he is mafia.

##vote koshi


Care to elaborate?

Oh also ##vote ruxxar


Sure.

This post:

On June 14 2017 20:22 Koshi wrote:
On June 14 2017 19:49 Holyflare wrote:
Wow i got him boys.

Rayn comes in with the defence. Totes mafia too.

btw if you type things like this, one might think you are just throwing suspicion around and not solving the game.
You can't call me 3p, and then call rayn mafia with me. I guess you can. But it doesn't make sense.
And I am pretty sure my play will not match mafia meta.


I don't like this statement. Comparing his own play to what an expected "mafia meta" is as a defense and validation of his own play seems like he's way too concious of how he's trying to project himself.

Add that on top of all his waffling reads between scum/town, and non-commital it makes it seem to me like he's trying to thread a golden middleground.

I actually like this explanation. Sorta wish you said this instead of just 'read Koshi's filter decided he's mafia' as now I'm suspicious you went back to read his filter after my post to find a post that is suspect.


For the second part:

People generally think this is scummy and it's not. It just generates suspicion because people don't like to see unjustified reads.

Mafia won't ever just carelessly throw out a scum read without giving any thought about how they are going to defend it unless they are under some kind of heavy pressure to produce a read.

Also I liked Ruxxar's reasoning for his Koshi vote.


who do you think is scum?

I'm kinda looking at you tbh.


On June 15 2017 04:38 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2017 04:27 darthfoley wrote:
On June 15 2017 04:10 Grackaroni wrote:
On June 15 2017 03:57 darthfoley wrote:
On June 15 2017 03:57 Grackaroni wrote:
On June 15 2017 03:49 disformation wrote:
@xata: ruxxar gave his reason to vote koshi later on.
On June 15 2017 02:32 ruXxar wrote:
On June 15 2017 02:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
On June 15 2017 02:05 ruXxar wrote:
I have read Koshis filter and determined he is mafia.

##vote koshi


Care to elaborate?

Oh also ##vote ruxxar


Sure.

This post:

On June 14 2017 20:22 Koshi wrote:
On June 14 2017 19:49 Holyflare wrote:
Wow i got him boys.

Rayn comes in with the defence. Totes mafia too.

btw if you type things like this, one might think you are just throwing suspicion around and not solving the game.
You can't call me 3p, and then call rayn mafia with me. I guess you can. But it doesn't make sense.
And I am pretty sure my play will not match mafia meta.


I don't like this statement. Comparing his own play to what an expected "mafia meta" is as a defense and validation of his own play seems like he's way too concious of how he's trying to project himself.

Add that on top of all his waffling reads between scum/town, and non-commital it makes it seem to me like he's trying to thread a golden middleground.

but as fefe pointed out:
On June 15 2017 02:40 Fecalfeast wrote:
On June 15 2017 02:32 ruXxar wrote:
On June 15 2017 02:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
On June 15 2017 02:05 ruXxar wrote:
I have read Koshis filter and determined he is mafia.

##vote koshi


Care to elaborate?

Oh also ##vote ruxxar


Sure.

This post:

On June 14 2017 20:22 Koshi wrote:
On June 14 2017 19:49 Holyflare wrote:
Wow i got him boys.

Rayn comes in with the defence. Totes mafia too.

btw if you type things like this, one might think you are just throwing suspicion around and not solving the game.
You can't call me 3p, and then call rayn mafia with me. I guess you can. But it doesn't make sense.
And I am pretty sure my play will not match mafia meta.


I don't like this statement. Comparing his own play to what an expected "mafia meta" is as a defense and validation of his own play seems like he's way too concious of how he's trying to project himself.

Add that on top of all his waffling reads between scum/town, and non-commital it makes it seem to me like he's trying to thread a golden middleground.

I actually like this explanation. Sorta wish you said this instead of just 'read Koshi's filter decided he's mafia' as now I'm suspicious you went back to read his filter after my post to find a post that is suspect.


For the second part:

People generally think this is scummy and it's not. It just generates suspicion because people don't like to see unjustified reads.

Mafia won't ever just carelessly throw out a scum read without giving any thought about how they are going to defend it unless they are under some kind of heavy pressure to produce a read.

Also I liked Ruxxar's reasoning for his Koshi vote.


who do you think is scum?

I'm kinda looking at you tbh.


Look at me as much as you like, but why?

I'm mostly just looking for someone kinda in the middle blending in.


Disfo:

On June 15 2017 07:36 Grackaroni wrote:
I like Rayn too though. And I'm ok with a Disfo lynch.


HF:

On June 16 2017 07:32 Grackaroni wrote:
Holy flare seems like a very good vote. He's being ridiculously over the top trying to push this SL lynch.

I haven't liked either of his Vivax/Koshi pushes. And he dragged the Vivax one out for the hell of it.


On June 16 2017 07:10 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2017 06:58 annul wrote:
not at all. i am 1 switch away from majority. with the tiebreaker being what it is, i have no choice.

i WANT to vote for koshi/ruxxar since they are both mafia and either is a fine kill. but alas.

Annul seems like an ok lynch to me. I dislike that he doesn't waver at all in his Koshi read after 10 pages of filter.

It would be worthwhile to check if he tends to be very confident in his reads as town, because his are still based on things from the early game.

I'm on my phone on a train, and the internet is not great.


Palmar:

On June 19 2017 03:36 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2017 03:36 Palmar wrote:
Ill figure out why we're all so happy together tomorrow

Where've you been PALMAR?

Scummy scum scum.



"I'm ok with". "Seems like". There's 0 commitment to anything here. Just superficial non-sense without any substance.
So obviously he followed up and actually tried to push his scum reads? Nope.
Well, at least he voted for his scum reads? Nope.

It's like a total non-commitment to any of his "reads" and just screams "I'm just trying to blend in".
And thats the total effort he's put into scumhunting the whole game.

"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 20 2017 12:08 GMT
#3370
On June 16 2017 03:39 Skynx wrote:
Koshi is not screaming and calling this town shit, he might be mafia actually

this is kinda townie. Weird thing to say to a town leader that is obviously not getting lynched
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 20 2017 12:08 GMT
#3371
dunno. tried to poe it pretty hard earlier. still got a bunch of ? marks left over.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 20 2017 12:09 GMT
#3372
That might be the worse case I've ever seen
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 20 2017 12:09 GMT
#3373
Did you meta check to see if he was doing this as town in other games ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 20 2017 12:10 GMT
#3374
On June 20 2017 21:08 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2017 03:39 Skynx wrote:
Koshi is not screaming and calling this town shit, he might be mafia actually

this is kinda townie. Weird thing to say to a town leader that is obviously not getting lynched

To situate the contexte it was EOD1
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 20 2017 12:11 GMT
#3375
i did a short peek into some of gracks older games and this looks neither like his town nor his scum.
it is overall a super meek/bleh game for grack
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 20 2017 12:11 GMT
#3376
but i didnt look at specific wordings
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 20 2017 12:13 GMT
#3377
tbh if you (rels) grack and es for whatever reason are town, town is kinda of into the woodworks atm.
though my vc brain tells me there has to be scum on annul trying to safe their rb and the last 3 ppl (all of which had bleh xata reads) are a good place to look into
unfortunately all 3 are (well you are active now) super inactive so it is really hard to decide

which is also why i was looking into everyone again earlier
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 20 2017 12:16 GMT
#3378
On June 17 2017 00:54 Skynx wrote:
Anyway for sure 1 scum between sl/fefe/rux. They all look equally bad dunno where to start.
Grack ninja vote is terrible. Eversince and Rels keep going down in ranks but i havent read their eod properly yet.
Other terrible votes off train are btdt and TW. Maybe Vivax aswell but i think he is town.
My plan is to also ignore HF and Palmar for a bit. They can be any alignment and so far pretty useless, too high level stuff for me.
VA can go suck a dick.
rayn is a mystery

I think tomorrow we can start the lynch with grack or any of first trio that started the train.

Updated townlist: disfo, df, damdred, Koshi, Vivax

Sl/ruxxar/tw/btdt/HF for postgame cred

Don't like the bolded though. An easy list to make the seems good but does nothing.
On June 20 2017 02:10 Skynx wrote:
Starting my annul train series with the first trio of sl/ruxxar/fefe

Show nested quote +
On June 16 2017 03:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
I think if we're letting rucksack live we should kill annul


Show nested quote +
On June 16 2017 03:11 sicklucker wrote:
##vote annul i agree nice ninja ff you get a cheap townread. I just voted him after reading his filter

Got one boys and im super trendy because no one voted him yet so bonus points


Show nested quote +
On June 16 2017 03:12 ruXxar wrote:
On June 16 2017 03:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
I think if we're letting rucksack live we should kill annul


I'm down.


Show nested quote +
On June 16 2017 07:23 Rels wrote:
Don't see a town motivation on annul's vote on Xata then begging Xata to vote SL.
EITHER he prefers to lynch SL, then voting SL at that point puts him above him with 1 hour to see what happens
OR he prefers Xata, but why the begging to Xata so he votes SL then
Doesn't make any sense. Scum. Very likely


Show nested quote +
On June 16 2017 07:10 Grackaroni wrote:
On June 16 2017 06:58 annul wrote:
not at all. i am 1 switch away from majority. with the tiebreaker being what it is, i have no choice.

i WANT to vote for koshi/ruxxar since they are both mafia and either is a fine kill. but alas.

Annul seems like an ok lynch to me. I dislike that he doesn't waver at all in his Koshi read after 10 pages of filter.

It would be worthwhile to check if he tends to be very confident in his reads as town, because his are still based on things from the early game.

I'm on my phone on a train, and the internet is not great.


Show nested quote +
On June 16 2017 07:45 Eversince wrote:
This is going to make me look like garbage.

I haven't read anything since pg 35ish. Give me the the rough of what's happen between now and then for Xata, Annul, and SL.

I don't have time to fact check so my vote is entirely blind at this point.



Don't know where to begin...

On June 20 2017 02:24 Skynx wrote:
Everyone on the train had terrible reasons for voting annul. Makes it kinda harder to analyze, scum could be all there tbf. No one had an outstanding read on Xata either, mainly this and that. All 6 I'd lynch 1 by 1 except Ruxxar maybe as he's picking up the game.

On June 20 2017 02:30 Skynx wrote:
One thing I noted tho, when it was 6-5 to annul, Eversince came late into thread and claimed he's clueless with that post but he took another 12 mins to think about who to vote.
From a town point, if you're clueless, making the train 6-6 shouldn't really bother you but if you're scum you're literally offering your RB on a silver platter.

On June 20 2017 02:47 Skynx wrote:
I feel like few votes on him and Grack will start spilling all the beans.

And this looks like he started fabricating a vote analyze but didn't know how to do it. There is nothing there. Like the bolded above, he points that every reasonning is bad and he wants to lynch every player. No game solving there.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 20 2017 12:18 GMT
#3379
On June 20 2017 21:13 disformation wrote:
tbh if you (rels) grack and es for whatever reason are town, town is kinda of into the woodworks atm.
though my vc brain tells me there has to be scum on annul trying to safe their rb and the last 3 ppl (all of which had bleh xata reads) are a good place to look into
unfortunately all 3 are (well you are active now) super inactive so it is really hard to decide

which is also why i was looking into everyone again earlier

well it's pretty likely there were scums on annul. But it doesn't make sense that they all are.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 20 2017 12:20 GMT
#3380
OK I'm done with my free time. Let's get a wagon starting on sicklucker.
##Vote sicklucker
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