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On June 15 2017 03:26 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2017 03:23 Eversince wrote:On June 15 2017 03:17 Fecalfeast wrote:
I forgot rayn was in this game lol what were the points against him? He made 1 sentence in 1 post defending Koshi. The issue is he said he didn't think HF/Disform's arguements made Koshi mafia. HF/Disform never claimed that but cased him as 3p. Already pointed out as being a misrep by HF. Disagreeing on a read doesn't mean I'm defending said person, it just means I'm not going to vote that person for said reasons. And the mafia/3p thingy is just a bad argument from the get go. Rayn is mafia cause he doesn't put a /3p when he says that the reasons don't make Koshi mafia/3p? Cmon
EverSince said rayn made 1 sentence in a post defending Koshi.
It's what HF said and something I argued against all this time.
Conclusion: She just assumed HFs version of events instead of realizing that like me and rayn said, rayn was disagreeing with a read and not defending anyone.
Now HF is basically the only person who is able to make a little thing like this into a giant pile of bloated BS like he's trying to.
And Xatalos can be mafia for sucking up to him in a semi concerned tone about it, which is what I was on the lookout for..
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On June 15 2017 17:54 disformation wrote:@vivi: oh you werent talking about the rayn thing at all? this is what i meant with: Show nested quote +On June 15 2017 17:39 disformation wrote:
the thing that confuses me about vivi on ever is that he doesnt talk straight at/about her, but in this roundabout way to grack. Show nested quote +On June 15 2017 17:39 disformation wrote:
as that doesnt make it perfectly clear what exactly he is referring to
No the moment she posted in thread I pointed it out that rayn didn't defend anyone. THat's basically the rumour HF has tried to let become a fact in his awful push on rayn. And Eversince didn't read properly or formed an own opinion instead of just copying what HF said about that and that's what I called her scum for.
On top of it she didn't even bother replying.
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I never said she agreed with the case (A), I said she copied your opinion that rayn defended Koshi (B).
You are pushing me by misconstruing B into A. Just like you misconstrued rayn disagreeing into a defense of Koshi.
Basically talking to HF/listening to HF = massive waste of time.
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On June 15 2017 18:05 disformation wrote:
oh wait hf is right later on she states that she is a bit worried about the whole thing
That doesn't change anything cause my point is that she probs just skimmed the thread half-heartedly.
It's only HF trying to force the point of view that this is about the case on rayn when really I was pointing out that she didn't form her own opinion on the rayn-koshi-defense thingy as being scummy.
That is what she recited as gospel. That rayn defended Koshi. Nothing else that HF wants to make everyone believe.
Basically he took this post.
On June 15 2017 04:42 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2017 04:38 Grackaroni wrote:On June 15 2017 04:27 darthfoley wrote:On June 15 2017 04:10 Grackaroni wrote:On June 15 2017 03:57 darthfoley wrote:On June 15 2017 03:57 Grackaroni wrote:On June 15 2017 03:49 disformation wrote:@xata: ruxxar gave his reason to vote koshi later on. On June 15 2017 02:32 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2017 02:09 Fecalfeast wrote:On June 15 2017 02:05 ruXxar wrote:
I have read Koshis filter and determined he is mafia.
##vote koshi Care to elaborate? Oh also ##vote ruxxar Sure. This post: On June 14 2017 20:22 Koshi wrote:On June 14 2017 19:49 Holyflare wrote:
Wow i got him boys.
Rayn comes in with the defence. Totes mafia too. btw if you type things like this, one might think you are just throwing suspicion around and not solving the game. You can't call me 3p, and then call rayn mafia with me. I guess you can. But it doesn't make sense. And I am pretty sure my play will not match mafia meta. I don't like this statement. Comparing his own play to what an expected "mafia meta" is as a defense and validation of his own play seems like he's way too concious of how he's trying to project himself. Add that on top of all his waffling reads between scum/town, and non-commital it makes it seem to me like he's trying to thread a golden middleground. but as fefe pointed out: On June 15 2017 02:40 Fecalfeast wrote:On June 15 2017 02:32 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2017 02:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
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Care to elaborate?
Oh also ##vote ruxxar Sure. This post: On June 14 2017 20:22 Koshi wrote:
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btw if you type things like this, one might think you are just throwing suspicion around and not solving the game.
You can't call me 3p, and then call rayn mafia with me. I guess you can. But it doesn't make sense.
And I am pretty sure my play will not match mafia meta. I don't like this statement. Comparing his own play to what an expected "mafia meta" is as a defense and validation of his own play seems like he's way too concious of how he's trying to project himself. Add that on top of all his waffling reads between scum/town, and non-commital it makes it seem to me like he's trying to thread a golden middleground. I actually like this explanation. Sorta wish you said this instead of just 'read Koshi's filter decided he's mafia' as now I'm suspicious you went back to read his filter after my post to find a post that is suspect. For the second part: People generally think this is scummy and it's not. It just generates suspicion because people don't like to see unjustified reads. Mafia won't ever just carelessly throw out a scum read without giving any thought about how they are going to defend it unless they are under some kind of heavy pressure to produce a read. Also I liked Ruxxar's reasoning for his Koshi vote. who do you think is scum? I'm kinda looking at you tbh. Look at me as much as you like, but why? I'm mostly just looking for someone kinda in the middle blending in. I like your attitude. I think EverSince falls into that category and whats aggravating is that she took what HF said about rayn at face value (which can happen when you skim and just copy other peoples opinions).
Removed the context and claimed that this was about his case on rayn and not about that thing.
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On June 15 2017 18:15 disformation wrote:
yes, but she formed/posted her own opinion on that. before you called her out.
Ummm no?
On June 13 2017 07:55 Eversince wrote:
/in
Times killed my last attempt at playing. Round 2 time!
On June 15 2017 03:23 Eversince wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2017 03:17 Fecalfeast wrote:
I forgot rayn was in this game lol what were the points against him? He made 1 sentence in 1 post defending Koshi. The issue is he said he didn't think HF/Disform's arguements made Koshi mafia. HF/Disform never claimed that but cased him as 3p.
^ post I replied to
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I think I like to keep Xatalos around for a bit before calling him mafia.
But it's alarming that he agreed with HF in that semi concerned tone that's characteristic for his scum play with all the hmms and bland comments.
On June 15 2017 15:45 Xatalos wrote:
Hm yeah seems Ever referenced the case on rayn, but disagreed with it.
Bland comment.
Also didn't fact check and took HFs misconstruction at face value.
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I think everyone still on Koshi post his 6 pages of filter should explain why he is still mafia. Cause it just looks like you aren't reevaluating atm.
BTDT posted excuse, but HF and disfo, why do you still feel strongly about koshi mafia? Especially disfo.
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I think I would be happy with an eversince lynch today. Feels kind of dickish to lynch someone who rarely plays but mafia is mafia.
That huge post reads like she's arguing that HF is mafia pushing Koshi to watch town burn from his golden throne but never actually calls HF mafia. Even in the tl;dr post all we get is an argument for HF being able to be both and we're supposed to draw our own conclusions from
HF thinks Koshi is anti-town. Decide HF motive yourself. Koshi needs to be more vocal about his opinions. If Koshi gets lynched by the town for not being productive then fine. If he gets mis-lynched because thread sentiment makes it easy
Which btw looks like a Koshi town spew deluxe.
(after reading up I suspect if I had been around last night alls I would needed to do would have been pop in, vote you, chat a bit and got labeled town ez for at least this cycle.)
And this line in the first big post is just lulzy. Openly thinking about how to get townread, ok? Seems like a feeling of regret for not being around to get into the town pile.
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I don't know what you are requesting HF I have made the point sufficiently clear?
I'm already trying to find a better lynch than Koshi.
I think Ruxxar, Eversince, maybe Xata are better lynches.
If you want to get things done why not focus on discussing these instead of remaining stuck in the past? I literally have no idea what you want me to say with the coloured skies, I've already spent more posts on it than I'd have liked to.
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On June 15 2017 19:32 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2017 18:33 Holyflare wrote:
This is what you're effectively doing vivax:
The world of the orange sky.
1. I say the sky is blue and make a case why.
2. Fecalfeast ask what the case on the sky colour is that everyone is sheeping.
3. Eversince states my case that the sky is blue.
4. You enter thread and say, wait, but the sky is orange!
5. Eversince says she can't see why the sky is blue and here are the reasons.
6. You say she copied my opinion that the sky is blue when in fact she thinks it's quite green.
That easier? This is what is happening in my world. Is your world different?
Yes.
That the sky is your rayn read and it has nothing to do with what I pointed out.
Cause what I pointed out is the notion that rayn defended koshi
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On June 15 2017 20:10 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2017 20:06 Vivax wrote:On June 15 2017 19:32 Holyflare wrote:On June 15 2017 18:33 Holyflare wrote:
This is what you're effectively doing vivax:
The world of the orange sky.
1. I say the sky is blue and make a case why.
2. Fecalfeast ask what the case on the sky colour is that everyone is sheeping.
3. Eversince states my case that the sky is blue.
4. You enter thread and say, wait, but the sky is orange!
5. Eversince says she can't see why the sky is blue and here are the reasons.
6. You say she copied my opinion that the sky is blue when in fact she thinks it's quite green.
That easier? This is what is happening in my world. Is your world different? Yes. That the sky is your rayn read and it has nothing to do with what I pointed out. Cause what I pointed out is the notion that rayn defended koshi So did she? That she didn't agree.
I start seeing your point that she said that in disagreement, but that's only visible afterwards when she says thta she doesn't agree on rayn in this post.
On June 15 2017 03:34 Eversince wrote:
@Xata- Why is Rayn a good lynch? Somebody sell me on this. I'm not seeing it at all
which came waaaaay after my post.
She rehashed the whole rayn matter cause FF asked and later dropped the actual opinion on the rayn thing.
But before she did that it looked like she was just copying your opinion since she spoke of rayn defending Koshi which is wrong in the first place.
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I think she can easily be mafia anyways.
Big posts with no actual direction, thinking on how to get townread, rehashing things for others and only later taking a stance on it.
This sounds like it's from a textbook scumhunting guide but it can make her mafia.
I'm not 100 % sold on these arguments myself but I'm not lynching in absolutes on a D1 anyway.
Would lynch cause it's the best I got, anyhow.
Don't see much reason to reconsider on Ruxxar either. The whole read making process where he pumps out two townreads didn't look natural and more like he felt forced to do it cause he promised in depth analysis.
Pretty sure he just doesn't get thoughts about the game naturally and is making these up reluctantly.
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On June 15 2017 21:12 darthfoley wrote:
Hey people. I made multiple posts about Rels being a weirdo McScumScum and all of you ignored it! Don't ignore me!
What do you "town leaders" make of Rels?
He answered to your concern in a convincing way imo.
Overall I think that his list thingy is pretty townie as going chronologically like that obviously is going to cause inconsistencies and it just looks like he slapped down everything he was thinking.
I don't agree with his good/bad heuristic but I don't think it's scummy atm
I think you are pointing out things he knew would be in there but he didn't care cause he wasn't afraid of looking scummy.
Overall I'd even give him a slight townread for that.
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Do you have any opinion on Eversince, darth?
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On June 15 2017 09:58 Tumblewood wrote:
##vote raynpelikoneet
This vote is so bad that I'm going to TR the tumble for NEI.
Updated town list:
annul, Koshi ( - points for hipster reads on ES and Ruxx), Damdred, FF, Grack (hedging on this), Vayne (for no other reason that he called eversinces post scummy and it seemed genuine), skynx, btdt ( - points for still being on kosh)
Newcomers:
TW, rayn , Rels.
Koshi I'm not too satisfied with you explaining everything away on ruxx and ES from a town point of view.
And if you want Xatalos we need to start getting finding stuff. I already commented on him just sucking up to HF when he tried to sell him that I was posting scummy things (would spew HF town if Xata is mafia actually).
Won't be at home for most of this afternoon and evening.
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On June 15 2017 18:15 disformation wrote:
yes, but she formed/posted her own opinion on that. before you called her out.
This was wrong btw and I'm possibly going to fry disformation for it at some point
If HF is town here it's kind of funny cause he's feeding mafias false info and they believe it without fact checking.
That would speak for Xata, disfo mafia.
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On June 15 2017 22:09 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2017 21:21 Vivax wrote:
Do you have any opinion on Eversince, darth? Your argument with HF has gone over my head and it's been clogging up the thread so my only read comes from a quick read of her(?) filter. All the filter is is early defending of rayn against a wagon on him, then moderating HF v. Koshi. I have no idea what Eversince believes of the other 19 players in the game. She feels super disconnected from the thread.
She's on the scummier side, but also perfect example of potential lynch bait. I'm still more comfortable with other people D1 lynch because her filter doesn't feel like she's pushing any sort of agenda tbh
Bold-1: Do you think that it is not alignment indicative in this case? She claimed to have read the entire game when she first started to post, so can't say that it's not trying.
Bold -2: What would you expect the agenda to look like? It can mean different things for different people.
On June 15 2017 22:10 darthfoley wrote:
Also to build off what Skynx/disfo said, why is everyone letting Palmar actively not play the game without putting any pressure on him?
I'd give him a day of holiday within the game for what we did to him in Generic  .
Also it's well within his town play to play like that.
On June 15 2017 22:11 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2017 21:30 Vivax wrote:On June 15 2017 09:58 Tumblewood wrote:
##vote raynpelikoneet This vote is so bad that I'm going to TR the tumble for NEI. Updated town list: annul, Koshi ( - points for hipster reads on ES and Ruxx), Damdred, FF, Grack (hedging on this), Vayne (for no other reason that he called eversinces post scummy and it seemed genuine), skynx, btdt ( - points for still being on kosh) Newcomers: TW, rayn , Rels. Koshi I'm not too satisfied with you explaining everything away on ruxx and ES from a town point of view. And if you want Xatalos we need to start getting finding stuff. I already commented on him just sucking up to HF when he tried to sell him that I was posting scummy things (would spew HF town if Xata is mafia actually). Won't be at home for most of this afternoon and evening. Why are you TRing btdt but not me when we basically have the same reads?
For the way he went after Koshi and felt so compelled to spell out the reason for going after Koshi.
And for tone. He seemed very engaged, that's how I'd put it.
I don't judge in everyone if he has the same reads as me either, sometimes I do when I know I'm thinking the same as someone else.
On June 14 2017 21:09 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2017 21:07 Holyflare wrote:
Also, nobody is accusing you of being mafia and not having reads. You just are 3P and don't care about them to the same extent to dive and call someone mafia. Waitwaitwait I'm not locked on Koshi being 3p, I'm not sheeping you I think he can very well be scum
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@ Xata
the parroting thing stroke me as more negative than maybe it stroke you cause I fought the notion that rayn defended Koshi from the start just like he did afterwards in his big post.
She used the same words HF used and I believe that when people just take wrong representations from other players at face value and reproduce it in their posts , then they might be mafia.
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I'm just waiting for DF to reply to me. zzzzzzz
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I don't feel the annul lynch. I really don't see an argument flying around for his lynch either.
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