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Guys stop playing good i wanna die tonight.
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I was planning on shooting ruxxar but i could shoot you skynx.
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On June 23 2017 00:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 23:46 Chezitwo wrote:On June 22 2017 23:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 22 2017 22:55 Chezitwo wrote:On June 22 2017 22:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I honestly don't really think sicklucker is mafia. Why? I think you really should. No i really shouldn't. The case(s) on him are very weak and based on stuff that i don't think make logically sense. Knowing what Grackaroni flipped and the way people on sicklucker pushed (or rather the lack of it) him. I'll write a more detailed answer in a bit, got friends visiting right now. This is bullshit and you know it. You are defending him by proxy with this "there were shit cases on him" without even analyzing his play which is very different from the town!SL you should know. You just pick the 1 bad sounding point Rels brought up (SL pushing a lynch day1) and claim that it invalidates the whole SL push. Very scummy thing to do. I am eagerly awaiting your explanation of how the Grack flip makes SL town but: You are probably mafia. No. You are terrible at this game.
Nice counter. But knowing your temper I will ignore it.
On June 23 2017 00:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:Chezitwo i will try to explain this as clearly as i possibly can and then if you don't understand it you can do what the fuck ever you want and have a what the fuck ever you want read on me, and i won't give any shits about it. The push on sicklucker is based on very bad reasoning, i already talked about it with disformation yesterday. If you can't comprehend the reasoning behind what i said then i literally can't help you. I already also said this yesterday: Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 05:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 22 2017 05:07 sicklucker wrote:On June 22 2017 05:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Chez is not mafia nad i don't know why everyone buys Rels' bullshit. ya he is. im more sure of him then grack but no one wants to lynch him for some reason No he isn't. But this game is fucking invalid and we can just concede if there is zero mafia in Palmar, Rels, Grack, Skynx (from people voting for you). It is fucking impossible. Yes, i thought, and i still think at least one of those three alive is mafia. Which brings me to: After my vote on Grackaroni i had the thought at some point that he is actually town because of the people (outside you and disformation) voting for sicklucker didn't give any shits about the lynch at all. Unfortunately Grackaroni went and fucking claimed mafia and you should always lynch that. At that point i thought they just gave up on trying to save him. But knowing he wasn't actually mafia i am back to the conclusion that the people on sicklucker didn't really care which one of the two gets lynched. I still don't have any reason to think sicklucker is mafia. As mafia, at some point sicklucker will always do the thing where i know he has TMI - it has happened before and i thought i saw that on N1 but the night kills invalidated that.
Also you should know one thing about me. I don't give any flying fucks anymore. I used to, but i don't have the same kind of "fire" i used to have when i was able to play about 4-10 hours a day. I don't have the time, and even if i did it takes too much energy and just makes me mad, so i stopped. And then there is this other thing: Show nested quote +Now that the other game is over i can actually talk about this. I played another game which i was alive for 33 days. In those 792 hours my vote was on a townie for a total times of one, for exactly 1 hour and 15 minutes, because i got tilted at Rels for suggesting i would make the dumbest night kill i have ever seen. For 32 days i tried to convince the town to lynch one of the most obvious mafias i have ever seen in any game i have played. Guess who was the only townie who got lynched that game? For being wrong on Hapa's alignment for 3 days when he afk'd and i had no time to interact with him and then someone just hammered him with almost 10 days left in the phase... And even when i was wrong i was right because i was pushing the other fucking mafia. Now that is not why i get mad irl. I get mad when even after all that there are completely illogical and straight out stupid people who cannot understand any sort or logic at all and tell me how i should play mafia. I had literally three scumreads in that game and all of them were mafia, even when i didn't think Hapa is mafia i couldn't tell who the third mafia is.
So yeah, that was the 8th time i have gotten lynched as town. Out of those 8 times in 5 occasions i have only called out mafia/SK .At least almost - in that one dumb game i afk'd for 24 hrs for valentines day and came back with like 100 votes on me "bcz rayn never afks" and called out 7 people of which there was 5/5 were mafia and one SK. But no, "we are not reading your posts you are mafia bcz rayn never afks". So this is going to be most likely my last game of mafia, i have now tried like three times and it always ends up in the same way in like at most 10 games. Show nested quote +But in the last couple of years i have been lynched for like eight times, a couple of them i totally deserved, one was retarded game overall and the last five times i have only called out mafia. I quit for a couple of times already because of that (amongst other things). When the game of logical deduction doesn't include logic anymore i don't really find much fun in it, except for if i am right or not. I decided i wanna have presence for the longest amount of time since i don't usually do as well in obs/following than i do in-game. And Koshi was being a dick and switching his "lynch rayn D3" into D2 (srsly Koshi that's super fucking annoying and the only times you have lynched me i have ONLY FUCKING VOTED FOR MAFIA ALL FUCKING GAME). These are quotes from the last couple of games i have played here. You are probably not aware of this at all assuming you havent played for a while. If you however are, then you can fucking die because you're mafia trying to pull completely retarded meta shit on me you should 100% know is false. I don't care if i am lynched. I don't care to yell at people about my scumreads. I care about being right or wrong and figuring out the game. Sad but true - i am not playing for anyone except for my own amusement anymore, because of the shit i have been getting in games especially when i am FUCKING right. So yeah, i don't care what you think of my alignment or my play. Dealwithit. I don't think sicklucker is mafia. My top mafia read is Rels. Rels should know this aswell, yet he is softly pushing me for this shit. I think you're town, i think disformation is town, i think VA is town, i think ruxxar is town, i think btdt is town, i think sicklucker is town. I kind of think Blazinghand is town. I don't know what FF is. I don't know what Palmar is. I don't know what Eversince is. Tumblewood can be mafia because i don't remember anything he has posted. Skynx can be mafia for what i have talked about today. That's it. Assuming there is 5 mafia the mafia is Rels, Skynx, Tumblewood and most likely one of Palmar and FF. There are my reads. Either you agree or not, but there they are.
See, Rayn. Nowhere in this post are you actually explaining to me why SL is town. The grack stuff has SL being town as a basis which makes it irrelevant as an argument. If SL is mafia then scum obviously did care about this lynch which shows if you look at the development of the wagons.
Your points for SL being town are: "Rels said he is mafia for doing something generally attributed to townies" which sounds good on paper but doesn't take SLs meta/Rels reasoning into account while failing to aknowledge any of his other arguments regarding SL. You basically take this single point as an excuse not to talk about anything else which was brought up against him. You also completely refuse to analyze his play.
Second point is the tmi stuff which is fair enough but just because it happened often so far does not mean it always happens and SL has played here for a while now. Give his mafia play at least some credit ffs.
I do not expect miracles from you rayn and I know that as town you are capable of finding mafia in games you are generally not widely townread in. But you were wrong on Grack already and the logic you are presenting just doesn't hold up to scrutiny.
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On June 23 2017 02:01 Fecalfeast wrote:
I was planning on shooting ruxxar but i could shoot you skynx.
:O You wanna kill town?
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On June 23 2017 01:10 disformation wrote:
@rayn can you explain your va town read? guys really null to me.
town:
fefe
chezitwo
rayn
townlean:
btdt
Do not townread rayn just for getting emotional. He will get heated as both alignments.
On June 23 2017 01:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:disformation read this up to post 100 or so: https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/8rjcQH6vDt2WBasically when VA is scum he pushes mafia agenda and it shows (and no, thinking a townie is mafia is not necessarily pushing mafia agenda). He is not pushing any agenda this game, his play just screams "here is what i think, don't care if you care or not". I don't think i have ever been wrong on VA's alignment after September 25 2013. So there is that.
This is generally true. But mafia!VA also feels the need to act reasonable/towny and post more casually than town!VA who just does not give the slightest fuck and I think this dividing treshold might have been reached this game. I am also not so sure about him not pushing an agenda considering his play so far. Very much on the fence here. Wouldn't lynch him soon though.
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eh more like tring rayn because his reasonings make a lot of sense to me and he had a post that resonated fairly well with what i am thinking about the game.
e.g. most stuff he pointed out about sl's case make sense to me and i agree tht the case is fairly weak (see me unvoting yesterday).
but i also agree with you: not sure if that makes sl town.
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On June 23 2017 02:54 disformation wrote:
eh more like tring rayn because his reasonings make a lot of sense to me and he had a post that resonated fairly well with what i am thinking about the game.
e.g. most stuff he pointed out about sl's case make sense to me and i agree tht the case is fairly weak (see me unvoting yesterday).
but i also agree with you: not sure if that makes sl town.
If it resonated so well with you then please summarize it for me because I do not see it. Of course stuff like "that's not a good reason to scumread someone" in the case I just mentioned makes sense. That does not mean that his conclusion is correct or that he put in a decent effort to evaluate Sickluckers alignment.
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The only other thing from rayn that I see is that he calls SL town (by proxy again) for voting Rels because Rayn thinks Rels is mafia. Which I also think is not very well reasoned.
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On June 23 2017 02:57 Chezitwo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2017 02:54 disformation wrote:
eh more like tring rayn because his reasonings make a lot of sense to me and he had a post that resonated fairly well with what i am thinking about the game.
e.g. most stuff he pointed out about sl's case make sense to me and i agree tht the case is fairly weak (see me unvoting yesterday).
but i also agree with you: not sure if that makes sl town. If it resonated so well with you then please summarize it for me because I do not see it. Of course stuff like "that's not a good reason to scumread someone" in the case I just mentioned makes sense. That does not mean that his conclusion is correct or that he put in a decent effort to evaluate Sickluckers alignment.
*sigh* lemme find the posts.
On June 22 2017 05:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 05:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Can you quote just one fucking post where Xatalos says he doesn't scumread me because i didn't remember it, just went through his fiter and can't find it. I mean between the game start there is about 20 posts where Xatalos calls me mafia for many reasons. You singling out one post that is not a "proper" scumread (when he has actually made like 20) is quite bs to say sicklucker is factually incorrect.
On June 22 2017 05:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
EBWOP: Between the game start and the sicklucker read on Xatalos.
On June 22 2017 05:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 05:13 disformation wrote:On June 22 2017 05:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What is even the case on sicklucker? The "he did townie things"? just posted it earlier... On June 22 2017 03:52 disformation wrote:On June 22 2017 03:38 sicklucker wrote:
disinfo let me try to change your mind since im pretty sure your one of the towns on this wagon and your here. what are your current problems with me this games to big to remember eh lemme try to give you a tldr. you were pushing annul super damn hard, but never explained why, although i asked you. you had a basically false tr on xata. as in that tr was based on stuff that wasnt true. then you admitted that annul was a bit town eod, but that didnt seem to bother you. after the annul flip you had a few posts saying that the voting stuff didnt necessairly make xata scum. ppl scumreading you tend to get shot at night. you had a uncharacteristically active d1 and fell off super hard after that. though yeah d2 was kinda auto. rels also has some stuffs here: On June 21 2017 20:44 Rels wrote:More killer stuff against SL, during N1. He can't explain why suddenly his Xata read changes just because it was a contested lynch. If he's scum he KNOWS Xata is gonna be probably killed soon, maybe even vig'd. On June 16 2017 21:30 sicklucker wrote:
This is my tenitive reads list from most likely town to most likely scum.
Fecalfeast
darthfoley
Rels
disformation
Palmar
Ruxxar
raynpelikoneet
Koshi
^ id be kind of surprised if these guys were scum
btdm
ruXxar
Tumblewood
Xatalos
Grackaroni
Skynx
Vivax
Eversince
Holyflare
marvellosity
I doubt its that accurate since theres alot of people and just started but I thought id share about where my heads at
On June 16 2017 21:36 Holyflare wrote:On June 16 2017 21:30 sicklucker wrote:
This is my tenitive reads list from most likely town to most likely scum.
Fecalfeast
darthfoley
Rels
disformation
Palmar
Ruxxar
raynpelikoneet
Koshi
^ id be kind of surprised if these guys were scum
btdm
ruXxar
Tumblewood
Xatalos
Grackaroni
Skynx
Vivax
Eversince
Holyflare
marvellosity
I doubt its that accurate since theres alot of people and just started but I thought id share about where my heads at
Nothing has changed. Absolutely 0 things have changed since you independently town read Xatalos based on his play. Zero. Zilch. Nada. Why is he not on your town list? On June 16 2017 21:43 Holyflare wrote:You're so full of crap! On June 16 2017 04:54 sicklucker wrote:
meh I dont think xatas filter is that bad. at least his ideas are unconventional to the thread which I kind of expect his town play On June 16 2017 07:48 sicklucker wrote:
it kind of makes it easy that all my town reads are voting annul (ff rels ruxxarand to a lesser degree xata) On June 16 2017 07:49 sicklucker wrote:On June 16 2017 07:47 Holyflare wrote:On June 16 2017 07:45 Eversince wrote:
This is going to make me look like garbage.
I haven't read anything since pg 35ish. Give me the the rough of what's happen between now and then for Xata, Annul, and SL.
I don't have time to fact check so my vote is entirely blind at this point. sl came to the thread and town read xatalos because xatalos has different reads to most of the game (when in fact xatalos' reads are blending with the rest of the game sl says i'm mafia for calling all the town leaders mafia and it's my mafia meta when 100% of other games he states my mafia meta is to push lurkers sl is trying to force the wagon onto someone who is blatantly self-preserving and revealing his plan for all to see, who stubbornly refuses to change his reads despite everyone yelling at him mafia sl is mafia I said that because xata had a mafia read on ryan and everyone else town read him. get over it you lost save your buddy What has changed since this in any way that changes Xatalos' alignment? On June 16 2017 21:56 sicklucker wrote:On June 16 2017 21:43 Holyflare wrote:You're so full of crap! On June 16 2017 04:54 sicklucker wrote:
meh I dont think xatas filter is that bad. at least his ideas are unconventional to the thread which I kind of expect his town play On June 16 2017 07:48 sicklucker wrote:
it kind of makes it easy that all my town reads are voting annul (ff rels ruxxarand to a lesser degree xata) On June 16 2017 07:49 sicklucker wrote:On June 16 2017 07:47 Holyflare wrote:On June 16 2017 07:45 Eversince wrote:
This is going to make me look like garbage.
I haven't read anything since pg 35ish. Give me the the rough of what's happen between now and then for Xata, Annul, and SL.
I don't have time to fact check so my vote is entirely blind at this point. sl came to the thread and town read xatalos because xatalos has different reads to most of the game (when in fact xatalos' reads are blending with the rest of the game sl says i'm mafia for calling all the town leaders mafia and it's my mafia meta when 100% of other games he states my mafia meta is to push lurkers sl is trying to force the wagon onto someone who is blatantly self-preserving and revealing his plan for all to see, who stubbornly refuses to change his reads despite everyone yelling at him mafia sl is mafia I said that because xata had a mafia read on ryan and everyone else town read him. get over it you lost save your buddy What has changed since this in any way that changes Xatalos' alignment? the other wagon was town in a really close and contested vote... That highly suggests hes mafia you know this your just trying to make me look bad On June 16 2017 21:58 Holyflare wrote:
I don't give a crap what mafia nonsense you're spouting. You led a wagon on a towny and have absolutely no reason to town read xata. I have MULTIPLE times corrected you that xata doesn't scum read rayn. Which is THE ONLY reason you said you town read Xata despite saying he has opposite readS!! to the thread, you could only quote one and it was wrong.
Then you pushed a wagon on a guy who was not scummy, openly referenced his grand survival plan multiple times and then even you acknowledged he was looking towny.
Then you try and take someone referencing the one troll post you did early game (because let's face it you really did nothing else) as a slight town read because she didn't call you mafia from one post. The thing is she didn't call you town either.
You're worming your way through falsehoods, trying to push events that never happened. Palmar didn't spite vote you from last game, I didn't vote you with no case, vivax wasn't "being bad". All of these are reconstructions of what is actually happening in the game. You even said if palmar was around he'd move his vote but he was around and said he'd keep it there.
Then Eversince comes and has no reason not to vote you. Xatalos' flip will certainly give a shit tonne of information and i hope to god he's town because then her not voting you is the final nail in your coffin. On June 16 2017 22:02 Holyflare wrote:On June 16 2017 08:16 sicklucker wrote:
to be fair tho I mostly drove the close lynch. and I know im town so from my perspective I dont think xata necessary has to be mafia. but I completely understand people who think he and I am from what happened I might think the same This is posted after the lynch. You don't even think it makes him mafia. A contested lynch means shit all. It's mafias job to make lynches mean nothing. It could be two towns, one mafia one town, anything. You haven't once used any information from it to make the reads nonsense you're posting. You have me in a lynch list with xatalos who you are now calling mafia despite me trying to also hammer him. You have really really bad reads in this list. You have Eversince who has been pushed by vivax for eternity and myself since the flip, no evaluation. You take bull shit posts and turn it into bigger bull shit reads and have no game sense. This is not the town SL I know that is solving conspiracy theories. This is an sl who more than likely saw his buddy xatalos up for lynch and fabricated nonsense to save him. When was the last time you tried on a day 1? When was there a time you've ever given a shit enough for a day 1 lynch to matter so much over a really thin town read on xata? Never, that's when. I will make people see the light. Fiery vengeance will rain down upon you. On June 16 2017 22:06 sicklucker wrote:
alright im not arguing with a lawyer anymore. unless your up for lynch What is the false town read on Xatalos? I mean what stuff he said wasn't true. I just read his filter and tbh now i remember why i thought he was mafia on N1 but i got proven i was wrong because of the night kills N1. I wouldn't think anyone would understand that so i never bothered with it after. I don't think the read change on Xatalos makes sicklucker anything, maybe more likely town than mafia. Basically people were/are arguing that he knew Xatalos will be killed and that's why he changed his read mid-N1. But if he is mafia he knows that already when annul flips (or even before) so why doesn't he then just do it immediately after the flip, since he already has the reasoning ready (he is gonna use later on). It doesn't make any sense. Rest of it is not anything sicklucker did so i don't really care and the last point you debunked yourself in the same sentence..
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I read a bunch of FF, tumblewood, and eversince games this morning and literally came away with nothing learned. FF posts really similar as town or scum, tumblewood hasn't posted enough to go off of and eversince could either be playing obvious mafia or just lynchbait. not enough has happened in this game to make people reveal much.
We are going into day 4 and have only had fake claims so far and little voting info, makes it really hard for me to figure out the game in my style.
im at something like
chez/dis/ruxxar/BH town
palmar/rels/tumblewood/btdt/rayn/skynx/sl neutral
FF/eversince mafia, and even then im not that confident on either
I see no real way to distinguish anything before we get a 2nd mafia flip either.
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i.e. i agree that the point with the "wrong" xata read is not nearly as strong as hf made it out to be and sl changing his xata opinion during n1 is not necessarily scummy
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Ah, ok. But this is still singling out a small point without commenting on SLs play. And I do not agree with the reasoning either. It is quite possible that mafia was waiting to see how the aftermath of the lynch was going to be and how the following day would develop. Or he was just too lazy to change his stance earlier. Where exactly is the difference between immediately after the flip and mid-N1 anyways? I do not see it.
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Last post was directed at disformation obviously.
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well wasnt that one of the main points?
cause imo the main points where:
1) he pushed annul super hard with a real bad tr on xata
2) he had xata as "not necessarily" scum at the start of the night
2) makes you look badish when xata flips, scum doesnt like
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d2 was auto and sl is lazy as either alignment
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Like, I get the feeling that Rayn is trying to poke little holes in the accusations against SL where he can and is completely ignoring the rest. His agenda is not to investigate Mr. Sickluckers alignment but to deflect negative attention away from him.
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On June 23 2017 03:25 disformation wrote:
well wasnt that one of the main points?
cause imo the main points where:
1) he pushed annul super hard with a real bad tr on xata
2) he had xata as "not necessarily" scum at the start of the night
2) makes you look badish when xata flips, scum doesnt like
I summarized my main points a while ago and it doesn't have anything to do with this except for the fact that I put a lot of stock into players like HF being absolutely convinced that SL is mafia.
2) Looks like a quite scummy read progression, yes. But often times scummy read progressions just come from scum.
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On June 22 2017 23:49 Chezitwo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 23:22 disformation wrote:
@chez:
why are you scumreading sl again? He is not towny. Town!SL often uses bullshit logic but he usually arrives at decent conclusions. Yet he is pushing this town in a very bad direction without ever reevaluating. Rels brought good stuff up yesterday and also during the night. HF was extremely convinced SL is mafia and I very much respect his reads.
so it kinda boils down to meta and sl's agenda?
mnuch of the stuff from yesterday was from hf/the stuff we were talking about just now imo.
or did i forget something?
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as i said earlier.
i feel like one of you is trying to convince me that sl is scum and the other is trying to convince me that sl is town.
and i have a really really hard time figuring out who is right
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On June 23 2017 03:29 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 23:49 Chezitwo wrote:On June 22 2017 23:22 disformation wrote:
@chez:
why are you scumreading sl again? He is not towny. Town!SL often uses bullshit logic but he usually arrives at decent conclusions. Yet he is pushing this town in a very bad direction without ever reevaluating. Rels brought good stuff up yesterday and also during the night. HF was extremely convinced SL is mafia and I very much respect his reads. so it kinda boils down to meta and sl's agenda? mnuch of the stuff from yesterday was from hf/the stuff we were talking about just now imo. or did i forget something?
Yes, this is what it boils down to. Static reads that make no sense and are clearly mafia agenda driven while not playing his townmeta.
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