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On June 28 2017 01:29 Rels wrote:
lol rayn. I liked a dude's thought process even though it lead to the opposite conclusion than mine. And you're trying to push on that
just lol p: one more false thing to add to the list. I guess it isn't really false though. But pretty bad
What was good in the thought process? He didn't really say anything.
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Oh god.... That was just as smart as saying you think someone is town for mindmelding with you... Which is not smart.
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On June 28 2017 01:30 disformation wrote:
well btdt had a ton of posts i didnt agree with, but i still think he is more likely to be town.
i also dont really care about that fake claim that was not so fake by sl.
so yeah that post by tw is not really town and the ruxxar thing was also not really scummy.
though i have to say i dont like the wording in ruxxar's post. reminds me that he was pushing for autos a lot of the game.
Like the only good thing in Tumblewood's post is this:
believing the claim requires not realizing that sl just made that up. and if rux or disfo are mafia then they should figure that out because it doesn't reconcile at all with the information that they have
...this is agreeable. Which should already tell you that literally no response to the N0 check (which is already dumb as fuck) can be scummy.
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I don't think BH will flip scum. He's just having fun. Also your points on him are wrong. I think it's pretty bs to say "BH does nothing" when he has jsut given a list of 4 people he thinks we find the last mafia in -> trying to lynch into that list. Then you quote one part of his reasoning and say it is flimsy when in reality it's more of a poe list (as you even point out yourself in the SAME post)....
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On June 28 2017 01:40 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2017 01:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't think BH will flip scum. He's just having fun. Also your points on him are wrong. I think it's pretty bs to say "BH does nothing" when he has jsut given a list of 4 people he thinks we find the last mafia in -> trying to lynch into that list. Then you quote one part of his reasoning and say it is flimsy when in reality it's more of a poe list (as you even point out yourself in the SAME post).... my point IS that when he finally tries today, his reasonnings are POE. Not taking any risk, not directly pushing someone. I don't think he's even voting
BUT THE DUDE NEVER EVER PUSHES ANYONE (aka does anything)... Last game he had his vote on Grackaroni for like some hours on D1 when he thought Grackaroni lied and then went back to his RNG. Didn't have a clue why people voted for Fidei, voted off wagon (and not even his "real scumread" Grack) but obviously claimed credit in case he flipped scum.  He literally just doesn't do anything unless there is some claim situation.
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On June 28 2017 01:59 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2017 01:54 ruXxar wrote:On June 28 2017 01:53 Palmar wrote:
Can someone please tell me why I am mafia?
Note: if your argument is that I've been less active and less deeply involved than normal, can you provide an explanation as to why that discrepancy means I am mafia? How about you tell us why you are town? 1) I haven't played much, but when I have I have done it with the sole intent of making reads or solving the game. I haven't engaged in any arguments or pointless fights or otherwise created content just to create it. Almost all my posts are reflections on reading a filter or commentary on something that interests me.
At least i don't care what you do when you are not here. I care about what you do when you are here. I don't really think your btdt case is scummy, i just think it is based on things that even btdt has cleared up before, yet you completely ignore these answers. at best Palmar, your case is lazy. And that's pretty much the only thing you have done. So yeah, atm you're not really helping yourself, and not helping the town if you are a part of it. I am pretty pissed off at myself because i cannot tell if that makes you mafia or not.  I thought i had something to 100% figure out your alignment but it turns out i missed one sentence in your post where i thought you were - after that - either having a super townie thought process or 100% contradicting yourself based on no new information.
2) I tryhard when I'm mafia. I always do it because the QT sort of forces me to. I have my teammates there right in front of me and I get far more of a "team boost" than I do as town. In general, my play is extremely similar to a baseline of "act like a normal human being" when I'm mafia. On the other hand, when I'm town I play a myriad of styles, from lurking afk to spamming to playing characters or even having multiple personalities.
Now this is factually false. 100% factually false.
3) While some have called my reads shallow, they're all based on reality. I read something, think something about it and run with it.
Yes, but i can honestly see why people call then shallow. See my answer to the first part of your post.
4) I care more about being right than surviving. I could easily have jumped the Rels wagon, but I just don't think it's the best lynch. I really, really think btdt is 100% going to flip mafia this game. I don't really think Rels will. I will obviously lynch Rels over myself, but it's not what I want. I am truly disappointed people are buying btdt's act. Rayn saying a guy who has been here over a year is a "new player" is just... meh.
These are the games btdt has played (+ some 2-3 games last couple of months).
[S] Newbie Mafia XXI Mafia Framer Lynched Day 3
[S] Newbie Student Mafia XXII Mafia Roleblocker Endgamed Day 4
[T] Dota 2 Mafia Town Shadow Fiend Killed Night 2
The dude IS a new player regardless of how long he has "been around". It's not how long you have been here, it's how many games you have under your belt. Also i do not see btdt's play as "an act". If you are going to assume this you must assume btdt has came into the game with "okay dudes i try to look as scummy as possible so people think i am too scummy to be scum" which is never ever a correct way to play as mafia. At least i fucking know if i was in scum QT with him i would tell him to cut that sort of crap instantly and play the game to best of his abilities. I genuinely just think the dude is horribly wrong in a lot of things and the way he has played screams me he doesn't have a team behind him.
I don't know why you wanted to talk with me about Rels and when i did you left and never went back to even checking what i said. I have completely forgotten about FF even existing in the game. What do you have on him?
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On June 28 2017 02:33 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2017 02:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:2) I tryhard when I'm mafia. I always do it because the QT sort of forces me to. I have my teammates there right in front of me and I get far more of a "team boost" than I do as town. In general, my play is extremely similar to a baseline of "act like a normal human being" when I'm mafia. On the other hand, when I'm town I play a myriad of styles, from lurking afk to spamming to playing characters or even having multiple personalities. Now this is factually false. 100% factually false. Nope it's not, it's true but as usual you are absolutely fucking terrible at knowing my meta. I don't think anyone on TL has as many delusions and bullshit about what my play is as you do. You're literally the worst on TL in knowing anything about me, because every game you say something that's wrong.
Yes i am lately. Because for some reason you have started doing same kind of stuff you used to only do as mafia (regardless of how much time you had to play) like 3 yrs ago. You can call a couple of pages of one liners and some big posts tryharding if you want to but failing to follow a logical train of thought... i would not really call that tryharding. If you want examples you should probably look at the game where you claimed cop and followed it up with how mafia should play, or when you said you'd sheep someone and then do the opposite at the end of D1 in Outlaw.
What i am trying to say is that you can look like you're tryharding but you're really not.
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On June 28 2017 02:52 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2017 02:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 28 2017 02:33 Palmar wrote:On June 28 2017 02:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:2) I tryhard when I'm mafia. I always do it because the QT sort of forces me to. I have my teammates there right in front of me and I get far more of a "team boost" than I do as town. In general, my play is extremely similar to a baseline of "act like a normal human being" when I'm mafia. On the other hand, when I'm town I play a myriad of styles, from lurking afk to spamming to playing characters or even having multiple personalities. Now this is factually false. 100% factually false. Nope it's not, it's true but as usual you are absolutely fucking terrible at knowing my meta. I don't think anyone on TL has as many delusions and bullshit about what my play is as you do. You're literally the worst on TL in knowing anything about me, because every game you say something that's wrong. Yes i am lately. Because for some reason you have started doing same kind of stuff you used to only do as mafia (regardless of how much time you had to play) like 3 yrs ago. You can call a couple of pages of one liners and some big posts tryharding if you want to but failing to follow a logical train of thought... i would not really call that tryharding. If you want examples you should probably look at the game where you claimed cop and followed it up with how mafia should play, or when you said you'd sheep someone and then do the opposite at the end of D1 in Outlaw. What i am trying to say is that you can look like you're tryharding but you're really not. Oh I am not tryharding this game at all. That was one of the decisions I made,I was only gonna do as much work as I felt like. My point is not that I'm tryharding, my point is that what little I try is useful and good, because I'm town.
I know you are not tryharding. I also don't see how what you are doing is useful and good sadly. Look i wanted to talk to you about Rels. I have wanted to since last thursday when you showed some life while knowing weekend is coming. Finally yesterday you actually engaged me in conversation about it but that dropped as soon as i actually asked your opinion on the things on him. I asked you about FF, and i don't think that is much:
I follow a very, very simple script when I play mafia. I give my reads and I vote for the person I believe is most likely to flip mafia. I sometimes scumread half the game, but it's really only who I try to kill that matters.
Like, I'm currently saying FF may be mafia based on his contributions today, so you guys know how I feel about that, but I'm not trying to kill him, it's not my strongest read. I am sticking with my strongest read.
The reason i usually end up scumreading you is because i try to engage into a conversation with you about who i think is mafia and who you think is mafia but as soon as i try, you drop off the face of earth. If i am completely honest you're doing it again. I don't think btdt is mafia. I don't know if you think or do not think Rels is mafia. I have absolutely no idea where you actually stand in this game except that you think btdt is mafia. And it is worrying me because i am trying to find a mafia lynch where people can actually fucking agree on. I don't necessarily need you for doing that, but generally trust in your insight so i would rather have you help. And you not doing that is worrying me.
And now i gotta fucking leave to work in 15 minutes.
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I am not going to lynch my townread when the other wagons are my top scumread and someone i have no idea of. So there is that.
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The fuck did i just read?
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On June 28 2017 18:44 Rels wrote:
I'll make posts explaining my thoughts when I have the time IE tonight. The TLDR on Skynx is his continuous investigative tone + how he thinks about the game, trying to find teams that makes sense + attacking disfo when it makes no sense to do that.
I have opinion on BTDT. My opinion is that I'm conflicted. More on that tonight
Attacking disfo when?
On June 28 2017 20:29 disformation wrote:
es, va, rayn what do you guys think abput btdt's eod yesterday?
What about it?
I have two reads from yesterday, i am gonna go more into that a bit later.
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Why is it scummy? I know people are saying this so could someone explain it to me?
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Blazinghand why did you do what you did at the deadline?
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Wait disformation you're saying btdt is mafia because he decided to not bus Rels? Is that correct?
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beentheredonethat who were your top 3 scumreads last day?
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okay disformation shut up on this.
Rels can you give me examples of:
Skynx is his continuous investigative tone + how he thinks about the game, trying to find teams that makes sense + attacking disfo when it makes no sense to do that.
please
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Fuck it Palmar was right and btdt is mafia.
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I don't really need to read anything more about it.
Basically btdt thinks both Palmar and Skynx are mafia. He thinks Skynx is bussing Palmar and his conclusion is that he switches to Rels to bait Skynx into switching OFF from bussing!
Basically btdt wanted to give Skynx ammo to lynch a non-scumread (or lesser scumread) rather than being fine with Skynx bussing his top scumread. There is no way a townie does that.
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The only way this can make sense from town perspective is if he also thinks Rels is mafia but there is no indication in his filter he feels super strongly about exactly those three people being mafia. He waffles on Rels/Ruxxar.
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Now the question is why does he do that? Why doesn't he just sit on Palmar?
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