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Basically what i think is btdt is a relatively new player who gets lynched for not being able to express himself very clearly, or being insanely wrong and (sorry) not thinking very brightly, or not thinking things he say and think are true very clearly. I mean what mafia hard defends Xatalos on D2??? Especially after some point it became very clear that Xatalos just gave up, yet btdt just kept going on and going on on how he believed his claim. That's insane, in case he is mafia. Another thing is his reads list on N2 where he suddenly cases disformation big time. Do you really think mafia would case someone who tried to lynch said mafia on D1 and who the said mafia fakeclaimed a red check on? (On contrary look at how Rels approached the same situation. He didn't really call disformation mafia, just put "doubt" on disformation's towniness and instead called ME mafia for making the same conclusion he himself 95% certainly believes on. That's what i call bullshit.) Basically, btdt's play - if mafia - is so insane i just don't believe it is true he is scum. He hasn't done nothing but basicallly self-destructed in this game if he is mafia and i don't believe any mafia who has teammates even CAN do that. That's what i said earlier and what we talked about with Chez at some point during the weekend. I just don't think any mafia can play like that. | ||
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On June 21 2017 19:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: Can people at least look at what i have said about Rels and comment on it? 1) His explanation on the Eversince comment doesn't match up with the earlier explanation on the Eversince comment. In fact i don't even believe it matches the original comment. 2) His vote on annul is based on very bad reasoning and the way he went on with it on D1 in very surface level thinking which is not really typical for him. 3) All of his scumreads are based on very surface level reasoning and there is basically no thought behind them (see for example the read on me, earlier read on Chezitwo, read on Grack, read on sicklucker, N1 or so read on Skynx and the read on Ruxxar). 4) The way he has pushed his scumreads is... well he hasn't, it's non-existent. The complete lack of ANY people to even COMMENT on the case makes me think even more i am right here. I know a lot of people have disagreed with this but i am still going to repost this ince i know Palmar should be able to figure out what i am saying here if he is town. Two things to add here. 5) the "read" on disformation maeks no sense. it was not really a read - it was more of calling me scummy for making a conclusion he thinks was townie.. Same thing that happened in his sicklucker read D1, where he called sicklucker mafia for something townie. 6) The way Rels handled the sicklucker - Grackaroni D3. Does it look like to anyone he really cared about which one we do lynch? Then he conveniently appears 30mins after deadline with "yo i am drunk", seems like he had some super important things to do. Now this is not really scummy in itself but the fact that when the lynch started clearly being Grackaroni vs sicklucker he was more interested in calling the people in Grackaroni wagon mafia and arguing with me (when i already moved on to figuring which one of the two to lynch) instead of trying to convince people of voting his scumread. | ||
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On June 27 2017 01:43 Palmar wrote: It's really just HF's insistence at some point that rayn is mafia that keeps that door open. No idea actually if hf changed his mind later. what? | ||
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On June 16 2017 23:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: Rels is mafia. and after this Holyflare hasn't said anything about my read on Rels (which wasn't even in the thread before) so idk what you're talking about Palmar? | ||
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On June 27 2017 01:52 Palmar wrote: how do you not understand that? I think you're town for your content, but for some reason hf kept calling you mafia early day 1, and HF is like at least mid-tier, possibly high-tier player. Ohh sorry, i thought you were saying HF was saying i am calling Rels mafia for bla bla bla which he never did. Holyflare didn't even think i am mafia, he was just gauging for my reaction, just FYI. | ||
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On June 27 2017 01:57 Palmar wrote: I'll read your Rels stuff later (if you wanna quote what you mean by that 1st point that'd be helpful) - I accused Rels of thinking Eversince is town for absolutely retarded reason. - Rels responded that i was accusing him of something he didn't say, because he didn't say what eversince did (let's call this thing X) said made her town, it was only a slight town indicator - I told him that i don't care, but he originally wrote "wow that makes Eversince town" which doesn't really sound like it's a "small townie indicator". I wanted to know why he originally wrote that sentence. - Rels answered and told me he didn't call Eversince town, then explained why it is just a small town indicator. - I told him he is just answering in circles. And that the answer doesn't even go well together with the original post. Now there this X thing is the following. People were accusing of Eversince saving Xatalos by faking an entrance to the thread (which was accidently remembering something annul posted was from Xatalos - or vice versa, anyways that's irrelevant). The thing is people make these kind of mistakes all the time, and it doesn't mean anything towards their alignment. I know people think it does, but Rels shouldn't, because he is good enough of a player to realize misremembering a thing doesn't make someone anything, and you can't tell if the person actually misremembered or faked the stuff. It's a completely null tell. So all in all: - Rels called something completely null townie (most likely because he jsut hastily worte a post and has TMI against a dumb case). - When i questioned him for it he never gave me straight answers and was just defending his towncase by saying "it's not that townie i agree but it still is". When i said, "no, it is not, and that's not even what you originally wrote", he just kept on saying the same thing over and over again until noone cared anymore. - As i said before i would have been completely okay if he had just said "i had a brainfart and you're right", but instead he did this thing in where you know you've been rightly accused since you're mafia and you just try to slowly get away from the argument or make the argument so fucking complicated noone cares anymore - when it is in fact a very simple argument. I have seen it many times. | ||
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- rels calls me mafia because i am "unsmart" - rels calls chezitwo mafia because of something marv did in another game - rels calls skynx mafia when skynx has almost the exact same mafia list rels does - rels calls ruxxar mafia but has yet to read ruxxars filter what a bunch of jokes for reads. | ||
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On June 20 2017 07:39 Rels wrote: rayn / ruxxar / SL / Chezitwo / Skynx ? That could make some sense On June 20 2017 07:48 Rels wrote: well he ruined a game because he wanted to be replaced and didn't want to play scum. When Arta told him it was not possible he refused to continue playing. You're not smart enough. basically at this point the above is because i think disformation is town from D2 and Rels thinks it's very likely too.. On June 21 2017 07:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: 2) Where is the "Skynx is scum" read? From earlier, i don't care if you don't think he is scum anymore i wanna hear the read you were so sure of yesterday. You pointed out some stuff but that doesn't make any sense. Because Skynx gave 3 mafia reads he was most certain of and you think 2 of them are mafia so it would be that... HE IS MOSTLY RIGHT if you are!! And that makes him mafia? And you just say "An easy list to make the seems good but does nothing".... The dude jsut fucking gave 3 scumreads from which you think 2 are mafia, regardless of he pushes them or not he should be one of your top towns. 3) Why is Ruxxar mafia? Oh right... After saying Ruxxar is mafia this is what you say: Mhmmm.. Seems like just as good reasoning as your read on me and Chez is.... 4) So what happened to this: Did i start solving the game? It doesn't look like you think so. Then why are you not 1v1'ing me as you said you would? I couldn't give any less fucking fucks if i get lynched because it nets us mafia the next day 100%. You're completely fucking illogical in how your reads change and what they are in the first place. On Chezitwo: See the post where he calls me unsmart and this: On June 20 2017 07:51 Rels wrote: dunno. But it just clicked that you're actually marv's replacement. So it could make sense that you're defending him like that for no reason. Yes, that is where his read is originally based on. | ||
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On June 20 2017 21:00 Rels wrote: Actually I just did. this is kinda townie Nothing else stands out of to me as town or scum. The activity is bad ofc though. I want him to play more. Also i just found this: disformation (or someone with better english than me) could you translate this to me? I am asking this because the very very first single reasoning Rels ever gave for Ruxxar scumread is that "ruxxar believes sl N0 claim", and this townread on Tumblewood seems like having the opposite reasoning. | ||
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On June 28 2017 01:11 disformation wrote: mh. not necessarily. though rels didnt really explain why he thinks that is town. could be: a) I think tw's thought process is more likely to be town. b) he is agreeing with tw two different things. I am not sure why (1) would be the case unless (2) since Tumblewood isn't really saying anything different than what ruxxar did (except that ruxxar at least came to some sort of conclusion which Tumblewood failed to do). | ||
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On June 28 2017 01:12 Rels wrote: last game he played is a direct counter example of that assesment. no, it is not. About 10 pages of his 5 page filter is when Vivax claimed cop and a red check on Holyflare and even then almost every other post was "lets lynch Vivax but Holyflare could still be mafia".. | ||
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I don't think that post by Tumblewood is townie (why would it be?) and i don't think the post from Ruxxar is scummy (where ruxxar apparently takes sl claim/(or mafia fakeclaim) at face value). I mean like, Rels thinks ruxxar is scum for taking the claim at face value. Rels also thinks Tumblewood saying why Ruxxar is actually more likely town for taking the claim at face value makes Tumblewood town. Rels continues to think Ruxxar is scum for it. Now why does Rels think Tumblewood is town for this post where he says things he doesn't agree on? | ||
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On June 15 2017 08:51 Rels wrote: My thoughts catching up. Will vote marv tomorrow if he still haven't posted. Otherwise ruxxar or Eversince. + Show Spoiler + ruxxar: - "I like it" on a disfo post that didn't deserve any of it. Not that it deserved scum points. But nothing to like in it. - buying SL's red check. Propose we lynch Eversince, then SL if she flips green. No game vision. Gullible. [.....] | ||
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