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Blazinghand
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On June 07 2017 03:36 Holyflare wrote:
Why does he fake claim today? He sees me calling him definitely mafia and would be lynched, he knows I'll fight a shit tonne and either you guys decide not to lynch the claims (dumb) and lives more cycles or i die and he's made a successful trade of taking out the biggest town voice.
If he rescinds it later then he has stalled conversation to just us two for a whole cycle. Perfect.
FWIW I imagine that if Vivax rescinds it he still gets lynched. We're 18 hours into D1 by now, and he's forced the convo to be about "Vivax vs HF" which... well, it's a very narrow conversation. If he rolls in like 3 hours before lynch and says "lol jk" we lynch him anyways. He knows this. You know this. We all know it. Tremendous. YUGE
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Blazinghand
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On June 07 2017 03:38 beentheredonethat wrote:
If Vivax rescinds his claim he's the lynch, no questions asked. At least from my side. Even if that's coming from town, it's super bad, stole a day, and potentially lost the game and should be punished.
Well.. IF he rescinds the claim AND we also 100% think he's town somehow, we don't lynch him. But this will never happen. If he rescinds the claim, I just can't see a motivation for that other than being Mafia.
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Blazinghand
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On June 07 2017 03:39 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2017 06:51 Vivax wrote:
I like Fidei's first post cause he reprimands me for forming certain reads he thinks I shouldn't have. I will say that they are preliminary reads based on the little content I had so I think that shows that he isn't suffering from TMI.
Fidei town for now.
HF town I think cause he isn't just yelling about any mistake someone may have made and extending the discussion about it into as much detail as he can to produce endless unproductive arguments. He seems really chill about his scumhunting and thinks he has something on TW. I can see where he's coming from cause imo that post looked overly emotional (if you wanna call it forced, call it forced) but I'm not that sure that it makes TW mafia as he is.
BTDT I'm atm conflicted on cause I don't think Grack played like this in generic. I feel like Grack has slowed down his posting even more than in the last game, and I'm surprised btdt doesn't see it the same way.
I like on the other hand that he's pointing out how PB is making easy posts by saying certain things in a contrived, overly worded way. But I also think that it's something a scum can easily point out esp. emphasizing that PB won a mafia game recently which reads to me like soft fearmongering. I prefer to remain inconclusive on btdt for now and watch more development between him ritoky and PB.
PB on the other hand calls out fidei for the lurker thingy, but says it's only scummy if it's not to move the game forward, which is a statement that cancels itself and ends up not really saying anything. He could ask fidei if that was his intention before explaining that if it was, he could ignore the argument, for example.
I like his idea of discussing how to find mafia early game actually and giving his own opinion on it cause it looks cute at best, pointless at worst and since it's what we are already doing I don't think that it needs to be laid out.
He doesn't latch onto someone instantly like last scum game but prefers a chill start instead so I remain conflicted on him as well.
HF also pointed out that he's asking for help on how to play and shouldn't be auto made out as scummy which looks like what btdt wants to do.
I think in this conversation btdt looks a bit too eager to push PBs post into a scummy light and comes out slightly worse of the two, although superficially, PB has more things you could construe as scummy quickly (and hence possibly qualifies as lynch bait)
Conversion post explaining his absence reads tonally super town explaining without a hint of nervousness why he's playing like he is. Feels safe to townpile for now.
Ritoky's case on btdt seems good and isn't overly adorned and gets straight to the point. Ritoky likey.
Grack has achieved a new dimension of mafia laziness but his latest read post ends up at something similar like where I am. Gonna see what he comes up with further. I maintain that he didn't try to do jack in early game and even less than last game where at least he actively constructed shit posts (like inserting wrong quotes on purpose).
LS and HFs arguments on LS I'm postponing atm. Also fideis new post doesn't end up where I am at all. I'ma stick around now instead of throwing walls of text at you. And BH?BH whatever, he has a star in his name and is the banlist fuhrer so should probably lynch just to be rebellious. look at this for someone who absolutely doesn't like to play scum (as painted), that's quite the effort to do.
It's a list post and therefore imo not a good contribution.
Also, like... I guess let me say this. After the D1 flip, I as a townie, felt energized and excited. Since we lynched a mafia I have been more engaged and eager to play this game. I think we can win this! it was a big morale boost.
How did Vivax react to that?
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Blazinghand
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On June 07 2017 03:40 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2017 07:32 Vivax wrote:On June 04 2017 07:28 beentheredonethat wrote:
shame on everyone who scumreads me D1. Everyone should know by now that I'm simply bad at this game. On June 04 2017 07:29 beentheredonethat wrote:
no I haven't read the last 3-4 pages in a serious manner
yes I'm going to bed now
no I'm not scum This reads like real frustration. But no need to be frustrated btdt. Just keep doing your thing! As scum, I'd just go full frontal "lol btdt you suck" but that's me
As town, I basically just did that :V
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Blazinghand
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Jeez I've kinda been a grouch to your btdt sorry
Gonna take a break then come back
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Blazinghand
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On June 07 2017 03:50 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 03:45 Blazinghand wrote:
Jeez I've kinda been a grouch to your btdt sorry
Gonna take a break then come back Well everyone says I'm bad and TL mafia in general has a super toxic and "you're bad" tonality. So it's fine if you're grouchy.
Yeah sorry dude that's my bad I didn't mean to make this less fun for you. When I disagree with you or think you're wrong I shouldn't be a dick about it
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Blazinghand
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The question isn't whether Vivax is playing anti town: he obviously is. The question is whether he's scum or not.
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Blazinghand
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On June 07 2017 04:30 Blazinghand wrote:
The question isn't whether Vivax is playing anti town: he obviously is. The question is whether he's scum or not.
Like the possibility of angry low effort cop or sabotaging malicious townie is real. I think scum makes most sense though
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Blazinghand
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On June 07 2017 04:37 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 04:19 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 07 2017 04:06 Holyflare wrote:
Like how are you even reading the same game?
You cannot write this and expect me to continue reading. nah HF you have my vote as long as no counter claim happens. You're saying we should lynch a town over a fake claiming town/mafia despite him posting absolutely nothing of meaningful content the entire game and has pretty much the opposite reads to 90% of the game even when evidence is presented that should alter his read. Sorry that I'm not gonna let you idly kill me because you have some pre-conceived notion that we should always lynch the red check.
Ok I mean to be fair, it's not THAT unusual to lynch the red check. Many people have strong pre-conceived notion of "follow the cop" and it often works out quite well. We just happen to be in a potentially unusual situation where this is not necessarily the best strat.
And you know, even in the worst case here Holyflare, if you're town, we lynch you then we lynch Vivax, which still leaves us a lot of breathing room to go after the final scum. I suppose the REAL worst case scenario is that Vivax is in fact town but also is lying, so we lynch you, then we lynch HIM and there are two scum left and we have no cop. that would be hilarious. But I think that's unlikely.
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Blazinghand
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On June 07 2017 04:45 Holyflare wrote:
No matter who you lynch it's always going to be a 1 for 1 trade but one of us is and has been producing meaningful content whereas the other one has afkd into oblivion and made the game a stale discussion.
I sure know who I'd like to keep around.
It's not ALWAYS going to be a 1 for 1 since you could concievably both be town (Vivax as the malicious townie or cop who checked me and got green and is faking a red on you) or you could both be scum (incredible bus attempt to end all bus attempts)
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Blazinghand
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On June 07 2017 04:50 Holyflare wrote:
well I'm town soooooo
I mean don't worry about me HF, I'm all over Vivax, I think he's highly likely to be Mafia. I'm just saying, there are many possibilities. And you know as well as I do Vivax could be some kind of malicious town-aligned guy. I still think we gotta lynch him but them's the facts.
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Blazinghand
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On June 07 2017 04:54 Grackaroni wrote:
lol why is Blazinghand getting triggered over the name of the setup type.
Basically I loathe setup speculation, but I have a particularly huge loathing for incorrect setup speculation. So pointing out that it's incorrect then having someone also point out incorrect setup names bothers me too.
Anyways Grack don't worry we'll get to you after we got Vivax brodooski 
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Blazinghand
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On June 07 2017 05:03 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 04:58 Blazinghand wrote:On June 07 2017 04:54 Grackaroni wrote:
lol why is Blazinghand getting triggered over the name of the setup type. Basically I loathe setup speculation, but I have a particularly huge loathing for incorrect setup speculation. So pointing out that it's incorrect then having someone also point out incorrect setup names bothers me too. Anyways Grack don't worry we'll get to you after we got Vivax brodooski That leaves me another 36 hours worth of shit posting.
That's the spirit!
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Blazinghand
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On June 07 2017 05:22 Grackaroni wrote:
If we're absolutely lynching between Vivax and HF then I'm lynching HF.
I mean technically we could let them both live... but assuming Tumblewood is in fact the town doctor there's nothing stopping Mafia from either:
1. if Vivax is Cop, roleblocking him and shooting Tumblewood
2. if Vivax is Scum, pretending to roleblock him and shooting Tumblewood
So night actions won't lead us to get more cop results. If we want to lynch outside of Vivax+Hf (which we reasonably expect at least contains 1 scum and so is a decent shot) then we want to be sure of our targets.
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Blazinghand
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On June 07 2017 05:35 Prison Break wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 04:26 Prison Break wrote:
If Vivax flips scum I want to lynch Conversion
Any chance they'd both vote me yesterday? maybe trying to get my lynched over fidei
In that case I could maybe see btdt being town despite playing scummy, because he also wants to kill vivax here wait this is bad conversion wants vivax dead, and beentheredonethat wants HF dead so beentheredonethat looks worse on a vivax=scum flip also im most confident in vivax now cause he didnt retract, so voted him really if its, say, 80% vivax scum 20% vivax cop and we lynch HF tomorrow, then im cool with that odds I was just afraid of the possibility of it being town vs town which would be a terrible outcome
Yeah I am a tiny bit nervous about town vs town, but like 95%+ of the time that something like this happens, with a cop claim and a red check in a game with no framer or miller, it's not town vs town. There's no way this check was confused or anything; either Vivax is telling the truth and Hf is scum, or Vivax is lying and is therefore highly highly likely to be scum. Whatever you may say about Vivax, negative or positive, I don't think he or most people tbh would try to pull this as a VT or a cop who didn't actually have a check. I mean, maybe he'd briefly fakeclaim and pressure HF then back off and unclaim and continue to be active or something, but being afk for 24 hours, dropping the claim, then immediately going AFK again for another 24-48 hours is NOT the behavior of someone claiming to be provocative or to drive discourse. Vivax probably not a VT therefore.
On June 07 2017 05:29 Holyflare wrote:
it's kind of ironic vivax picked me in a way because it will fully bite him in the arse
TBH given his night statements the only believable "I checked this guy" options were you and me. I'm surprised he went after you and not me in a way though.
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Blazinghand
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On June 07 2017 06:01 Grackaroni wrote:Here's the thing that I think people are overlooking: Vivax was pretty annoyed even before we consolidated on Fidei. Show nested quote +On June 05 2017 07:46 Vivax wrote:HF is mafia obviously. On June 05 2017 07:43 Tubesock wrote:
I'm contemplating a yolo vivax lynch. you are awful Show nested quote +On June 05 2017 07:49 Vivax wrote:On June 05 2017 07:48 Tumblewood wrote:On June 05 2017 07:45 Vivax wrote:
There's only one reason for BH to do nothing all game this openly: He's mafia.
HF finds meta game where he does nothing all D1, then claims cop.
Conclusion: BH does nothing as town when he's blue.
He did nothing this game so he's town or blue.
If he isn't the doctor, he is scum.
He isn't ccing doctor, so he is scum.
Put vote on BH, win gaem. when people make constant arguments about someone not doing anything, the argument is always terrible Yes what has TL come to that active engaged players want to lynch others for doing nothing. Or is the issue that there are players doing nothing? Show nested quote +On June 05 2017 07:51 Vivax wrote:
Sadly he's most likely town and isn't gifted with being able to read btdts emotional progression during D1. Show nested quote +On June 05 2017 08:33 Vivax wrote:On June 05 2017 08:30 Onegu wrote:
Im still reading.
Im on page 24 now. At this point in time my lynches would be fword dude and Vivax. BH if we wanted a coin flip but the fact that vivax wants him lynched is a point toward not lynching BH. Thanks for your valuable input in the 20 minutes you've spent playing this game after puking out a post of shallow reads to keep up the appearance that you're actually here to play mafia. I'm sure your opinion is very informed and valuable. On June 05 2017 08:22 Tubesock wrote:
##Unvote
Vote: Vivax And this guy. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/trKQY0g.gif) Show nested quote +On June 05 2017 08:40 Vivax wrote:
Chance to lynch BH, two guys avoid him for shit reasons and go to HF and another goes for PB instead.
Basically townies splitting all over my scumreads while tubesock is blatantly throwing his votes into the worst places possible. Kill me please. Show nested quote +On June 05 2017 08:45 Vivax wrote:On June 05 2017 08:43 Onegu wrote:On June 05 2017 08:41 Vivax wrote:On June 05 2017 08:40 Onegu wrote:
Now 100% serious question. Why are we not lynching Fword dude? Cuz nobody cares about what you want. Well played Vivax. Well played. You sir are a bundle of Joy. Well you wanted to start with being a dick. And it's a 100% serious answer. I think you're town and I think you are super wrong and I'm pretty sure everyone else thinks that too so there's your answer. I didn't coat it in sugar cause you don't coat things in sugar either, and if I coated it in sugar you'd just eat it anyway before reading it. Show nested quote +On June 05 2017 08:52 Vivax wrote:On June 05 2017 08:30 Onegu wrote:
Im still reading.
Im on page 24 now. At this point in time my lynches would be fword dude and Vivax. BH if we wanted a coin flip but the fact that vivax wants him lynched is a point toward not lynching BH. Vivax makes a shit post on why PB post was bad. Calling my posts shit for no reason and suggesting that you should do the opposite of what my reads say. Meanwhile never stating a single reason for me being mafia so just assuming you are here to lynch people at your own leisure and not to win the game. So he's mad beforehand that people aren't killing BH for doing nothing, and then he finds out that his read on Fidei was bad and now people are scum reading him. He thinks that he was one of the only ones who put good reasoning and effort into his pushes this game and that other people just got rewarded for playing stupidly. People that think this would be a good strategic play to try to trade 1 for 1 with HF are completely off the mark. Vivax was in a worse spot than he was yesterday but he was very far from the definite lynch today. I think he is legitimately angry and most of the time the angry player is just a butt-hurt townie. (I also don't think he's mafia just because he has had a pretty similar thought process to me throughout the game and has backed up a lot of my reads.)
Butt hurt VT?
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Blazinghand
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On June 07 2017 06:02 Grackaroni wrote:
I don't either I think he's VT.
Ah!.
Hmm, you know, I don't think Vivax would do this as a VT. I get what you're saying that his lynch wasn't automatic today so as perfection rational scum maybe he wouldn't be this desperate. But by that same token, as a townie he shouldn't be as desperate anyways. And certainly I think Vivax is, for all his warts, not the kind of guy who likely would pull some bullshit like this as a VT. It's possible but I don't think it's likely.
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Blazinghand
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On June 07 2017 06:01 ritoky wrote:
i don't believe vivax's claim.
Because you think he's scum or because you think he's VT?
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On June 07 2017 06:19 Holyflare wrote:
I mean grack and btdt are making vivax town cases
sooooooooooooooooooo
lynch 'em boys
There's nothing wrong with discussing why vivax might be town Holyflare. I don't appreciate you trying to cause a chilling effect regarding this.
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Blazinghand
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On June 07 2017 06:27 Grackaroni wrote:
Something about you saying "all I know is Vivax is a fake cop!"
Seems reasonable to me right? Like OK who wants to fake being a cop with a red check? Hint: it's scum
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