On June 06 2017 04:19 LightningStrike wrote: Like if you thought I was going for credit there I wasn't I was just showing my pure emotions at the lynch.
well it read to me like you wanted the world to know how integral you were in the making of that lynch. if that's me misreading you, okay.
On June 05 2017 05:45 ritoky wrote: i have to drag 3 kids under 3 to the grocery store in 45 mins which may be a 2 and a half hour experience. so i would like to figure this shit out. not interested in voting hf or vivax. not particularly interested in voting bh. i don't think my vote is well placed on btdt atm after he emotion carded me.
lookin at TW, grack, fidei, maybe PB, maybe ls
btdt has done nothing to change my opinion, still think he is probably mafia.
tw doesn't make a whole lot of sense. defending grack for ???? defending grack from spooky ghosts pushing him???? missed joke early. says "mindmeld" then doesn't say what the mindmeld was. mafia pile.
grack made a joke while being yelled at by BH, so he gets half a town point; but otherwise he hasn't done jack esp for a 2 page filter. actually i just looked at his filter and i take his half point back cuz he doesn't really have any posts pushing the game forward.
BH has been disappointing. i expected RNG -> a play or snowball it into some reads. if that was it, he could be mafia.
On June 06 2017 03:17 Holyflare wrote: Hey ritoky how about some input? You had concerns about LS and he was on the mafia lynch and you ain't said shit.
i work graveyards in the ER so, i been at work and asleep.
i mean what do you want me to say? mechanics and my brain tells me that tomorrow we don't lynch anyone who voted on dead lynch mafia because that's optimal play; but i just think LS is mafia.
not only did he have basically no reads while being active and present all d1, but he wasn't even trying to get reads. plus that whole take 5 posts to list every possible scenario of vivax and hf arguing was just a steamy turd.
plus you look at his post lynch reaction and compare it to BH (who i think comes off incredibly town); and it's just bad. he is reaching for cred like he led a lynch or hammered a lynch when he is an extraneous vote on a basically 7 vote wagon, and has never even said anything relevant about the guy in his filter.
plus you go look at his filter in relation to fid:
On June 03 2017 20:10 LightningStrike wrote: Just woke up not much going on except some really weird argument between TW and TS.
On June 03 2017 19:09 Fidei86 wrote: Hi all! Long time no speak for a lot of you. I've played a bit of video Mafia since I've been away (which I'm horrible at, it turns out) but I'm excited to get back into forums.
I think TW's thinking makes sense if you assume he doesn't know TS's usual posting style (which I think is like almost comically formal); it wasn't immediately obvious to me that TS was joking either. But that said, I'm not sure that I buy TW's switch to town reading TS? TW doesn't recant on his thinking TS is dumb - but if TS is joking then obviously he doesn't believe it, and so isn't dumb?
I also don't like Vivax's read on TS. Asking about RNG lynches isn't driving the game forward either. I'd say TS is null and TW is scummy null; giving them both a town pass at this stage is waaay premature. But at the same time, I do really like Vivax pinging Grack. So overall TR.
The people I really don't like are Onegu, BH, Grack and LS. Everyone else can be forgiven for not being in the thread (HF is British I think, so he gets a pass as well) but each of those has been here and has studiously avoided saying anything meaningful. LS has, what, four or five posts, none saying anything even vaguely game related. I seem to recall LS has trouble getting started as Mafia... this would fit right into that.
Fidei puts tiny pressure on LS, LS posts a filter link. fidei just stops, then magically LS becomes a town lean.
On June 03 2017 22:52 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 03 2017 22:36 Fidei86 wrote: okay here's the thing I don't get: TW pointed out that TS's response to BH and the "rush" of posts was weird. I agree with TW insofar as that was the way I read it too, at first. But then TS said he was actually joking, which makes sense (and it fits in with TS' posting style insofar as I remember it from previous games). If it had ended there, fair enough. But then TW says "I still think what you said was weird, but you're towny" after TS had said it was a joke. That doesn't make sense to me. Like, TW landed pretty hard on TS for his initial read, and nothing changed other than TS claiming it wasn't serious, but TW's read flipped.
So that's why I think TW is on the scummy side of null (not because his posts were forced, as others were saying).
I too thought it was weird which is why I want TW to explain his townread on TS. The way he jumped on TS and later townreading him for that stuff being a joke is very unusual.
trashcan post about agreeing things are weird.
On June 05 2017 02:37 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 05 2017 02:21 Fidei86 wrote: LS can you give your top three scum? and top three town?
top 3 town: Tubesock: Had some decent content that I agreed with. Grack: Tone says town Grack over scum Grack atm he seems genuine with his posts to BH. ritoky: Put in some work and read part of HF's filter from Generic plus decent content posts. top 3 scum BH: His push on Grack seems forced more or less and made a super big deal out of nothing? Also agreed with Tubeosck's point on him. TW: Didn't really like his reasoning on his townread switch on TS. It just feels weird. Honestly don't got a 3rd scum yet.
fidei tossing LS softballs.
i don't really think i am conf biasing
James pretty much spewed me town although iffy at best but here the thing. I went on james because it was either TW who claimed doctor or BH who I felt had atownie reaction to wanting to get lynched over the doctor so I went with the james wagon. We got lucky there that James flipped scum. But that leaves the real question: What the hell scum was doing EoD? The ycould of controlled the lynch yet they didn't. Do you think I would kill my gf that early regardless of what would happen when I care more about the team? I wouldn't risk losing a scum member to shannies at all hell I wouldn't risk it even more on the gf. Also James questions to me I was actually being honest right there I had no 3rd option right at that time.
i reject that you had any influence EoD on the vote; and personal relationships are relevant cuz?
I would of actually tried to influence them to stay on BH or get back on BH at that time if I was scum there and James asked me a question so I decided to be honest about my answer of not having 3 scums. You know very well I don't normally got that many scum until maybe Day 2 or 3 max -.-
On June 04 2017 14:33 ritoky wrote: i think the town is something like; me, tube, vivax, hf; and tentatively conv and pb
fidei has like....almost exact opposite reads of me. dunno what to think about that.
reading LS mafia, what else is new for me.
On June 05 2017 05:45 ritoky wrote: i have to drag 3 kids under 3 to the grocery store in 45 mins which may be a 2 and a half hour experience. so i would like to figure this shit out. not interested in voting hf or vivax. not particularly interested in voting bh. i don't think my vote is well placed on btdt atm after he emotion carded me.
lookin at TW, grack, fidei, maybe PB, maybe ls
btdt has done nothing to change my opinion, still think he is probably mafia.
tw doesn't make a whole lot of sense. defending grack for ???? defending grack from spooky ghosts pushing him???? missed joke early. says "mindmeld" then doesn't say what the mindmeld was. mafia pile.
grack made a joke while being yelled at by BH, so he gets half a town point; but otherwise he hasn't done jack esp for a 2 page filter. actually i just looked at his filter and i take his half point back cuz he doesn't really have any posts pushing the game forward.
BH has been disappointing. i expected RNG -> a play or snowball it into some reads. if that was it, he could be mafia.
On June 05 2017 08:58 ritoky wrote: people are voting fidei cuz?
And then you come back when people are pushing me and act like me not having a read on Fidei is a good point when you said nothing about him all game.
I mean the difference between me and you is that I basically had no read on fid, and if you want the real reason for that it is because fid posted shit about london in the community thread so i kinda felt like i should just give the benefit of the doubt that there's shit going on there. while you had a read strong enough to potentially call hf mafia for not having the same read, then proclaimed that it wasn't strong and you were content voting on fid.
On June 06 2017 04:08 LightningStrike wrote: ritoky why you wasted your vote EoD when it was clear no one was on me? That was extremely dumb and BH wasting his vote too was terrible we just got lucky on the shannies hitting scum.
bh waited until the dude was basically in the ground b4 playing games, he didn't endanger shit.
and wasted my vote? i came back with 3 minutes, barely grasped that a blue had been claimed and voted on the next up on my list. you act like my vote could have done anything. i don't see a quadruple voter role in this game.
It still makes you and BH look bad for VCA that why I giving a damn about it. We both know wasting votes regardless of the flip is terrible.
On June 06 2017 04:08 LightningStrike wrote: ritoky why you wasted your vote EoD when it was clear no one was on me? That was extremely dumb and BH wasting his vote too was terrible we just got lucky on the shannies hitting scum.
bh waited until the dude was basically in the ground b4 playing games, he didn't endanger shit.
and wasted my vote? i came back with 3 minutes, barely grasped that a blue had been claimed and voted on the next up on my list. you act like my vote could have done anything. i don't see a quadruple voter role in this game.
It still makes you and BH look bad for VCA that why I giving a damn about it. We both know wasting votes regardless of the flip is terrible.
On June 06 2017 04:08 LightningStrike wrote: ritoky why you wasted your vote EoD when it was clear no one was on me? That was extremely dumb and BH wasting his vote too was terrible we just got lucky on the shannies hitting scum.
bh waited until the dude was basically in the ground b4 playing games, he didn't endanger shit.
and wasted my vote? i came back with 3 minutes, barely grasped that a blue had been claimed and voted on the next up on my list. you act like my vote could have done anything. i don't see a quadruple voter role in this game.
It still makes you and BH look bad for VCA that why I giving a damn about it. We both know wasting votes regardless of the flip is terrible.
i mean i could sit here and argue back that i would have voted on fid for the free cred if i come back to the thread and my partner is basically dead. but where's that gonna get us?
On June 06 2017 04:36 Grackaroni wrote: We can start from the beginning.
Every single mention of Fidei in your filter.
On June 04 2017 04:00 ritoky wrote: fidei what are your reads on LS and HF?
On June 04 2017 14:33 ritoky wrote: i think the town is something like; me, tube, vivax, hf; and tentatively conv and pb
fidei has like....almost exact opposite reads of me. dunno what to think about that.
reading LS mafia, what else is new for me.
On June 05 2017 05:45 ritoky wrote: i have to drag 3 kids under 3 to the grocery store in 45 mins which may be a 2 and a half hour experience. so i would like to figure this shit out. not interested in voting hf or vivax. not particularly interested in voting bh. i don't think my vote is well placed on btdt atm after he emotion carded me.
lookin at TW, grack, fidei, maybe PB, maybe ls
btdt has done nothing to change my opinion, still think he is probably mafia.
tw doesn't make a whole lot of sense. defending grack for ???? defending grack from spooky ghosts pushing him???? missed joke early. says "mindmeld" then doesn't say what the mindmeld was. mafia pile.
grack made a joke while being yelled at by BH, so he gets half a town point; but otherwise he hasn't done jack esp for a 2 page filter. actually i just looked at his filter and i take his half point back cuz he doesn't really have any posts pushing the game forward.
BH has been disappointing. i expected RNG -> a play or snowball it into some reads. if that was it, he could be mafia.
onegu...flip a coin.
On June 05 2017 03:55 ritoky wrote:
On June 05 2017 01:23 Holyflare wrote: LS what do you think if Fidei putting me in a mafia list with Tumblewood?
I would like an answer to this.
On June 05 2017 08:58 ritoky wrote: people are voting fidei cuz?
And then you come back when people are pushing me and act like me not having a read on Fidei is a good point when you said nothing about him all game.
I mean the difference between me and you is that I basically had no read on fid, and if you want the real reason for that it is because fid posted shit about london in the community thread so i kinda felt like i should just give the benefit of the doubt that there's shit going on there. while you had a read strong enough to potentially call hf mafia for not having the same read, then proclaimed that it wasn't strong and you were content voting on fid.
That's not my point. You were opportunistically calling me out for leaving him off my list when you didn't talk about him at all. The twisted narrative from your second post about me makes me think this is less likely hypocrisy and more likely scum motivated.
I would have been willing to vote for Conversion or Prison Break who I both called town earlier in the day. A large part of the reason that Fidei got voted is that he disappeared for a long time and that has a big influence since my reads change relatively frequently.
I had a lot of chances to shenanny to somebody else at the end of the day. I defended TW. I defended HF. I defended LS. If I wanted to save Fidei I could have given a defense of him and came out looking fine but I didn't want to lynch Tumblewood.
On June 06 2017 04:42 Holyflare wrote: I mean let's get down to the crux of it. I was right on Fidei and Grack was bad.
Also you look bad for pushing TW and Fidei and then dropping that push after TW fell through. But I don't care about you right now because I have to yell at Ritoky.
On June 06 2017 04:42 Holyflare wrote: I mean let's get down to the crux of it. I was right on Fidei and Grack was bad.
Also you look bad for pushing TW and Fidei and then dropping that push after TW fell through. But I don't care about you right now because I have to yell at Ritoky.
I forgot about him because he didn't post and then when I looked at his filter it wasn't that bad (minus the posts I hated) but someone was convincing me (LS) that "Town can make those posts too!".
I wouldn't have lynched him today at all if it wasn't a shenanigan.
vivax is definitely mafia though he pushed bull shit all game on PB/BH/me and at deadline decided to throw away votes and then afk at night cz his partner died
Also actually Prison Break looks good because I remember he had the smart reads on day 1. Ritoky was the one who shifted me more towards thinking Btdt was scum than Fidei even though they both actually had pretty bad posts.
On June 04 2017 08:48 Prison Break wrote: Voted beentheredonethat
Didn't like his initial "response" to me + his follow-up.
"shame on everyone who scumreads me D1. Everyone should know by now that I'm simply bad at this game."
Excuse to not take responsibility for bad plays so people aren't allowed to scumread him based on "bad play"
also a lot of other excuses for no play
"I'll check this thread every now and then for the next 4-8 hours but don't expect too much"
"no I haven't read the last 3-4 pages in a serious manner
yes I'm going to bed now
no I'm not scum"
this is lazy play at best, but I could see it being scummy play as well. making a few pushes, laying low, mentioning it multiple times which could be overcompensating (afraid people will look into it? we're in the beginning stages of the game so I doubt this many excuses are needed)
saying he's not scum obviously isn't a solid defense either
also to clarify my stance on Fidei86, I think what he did could be scummy, and "moving the game forward" was a possible counterargument. But I'm not saying he's actually moving the game forward, it was something I was considering at the moment and wanted to give more time. Fidei86 instantly gave beentheredonethat towncreds (while multiple people were suspicious of it), which stands out, as well as beentheredonethat "attacking me" after I "attack" Fidei86. Possible scumteam?
My 2nd choice to vote right now would be Fidei86. I think both Fidei86 and beentheredonethat are good vote choices right now.
On June 06 2017 04:36 Grackaroni wrote: We can start from the beginning.
Every single mention of Fidei in your filter.
On June 04 2017 04:00 ritoky wrote: fidei what are your reads on LS and HF?
On June 04 2017 14:33 ritoky wrote: i think the town is something like; me, tube, vivax, hf; and tentatively conv and pb
fidei has like....almost exact opposite reads of me. dunno what to think about that.
reading LS mafia, what else is new for me.
On June 05 2017 05:45 ritoky wrote: i have to drag 3 kids under 3 to the grocery store in 45 mins which may be a 2 and a half hour experience. so i would like to figure this shit out. not interested in voting hf or vivax. not particularly interested in voting bh. i don't think my vote is well placed on btdt atm after he emotion carded me.
lookin at TW, grack, fidei, maybe PB, maybe ls
btdt has done nothing to change my opinion, still think he is probably mafia.
tw doesn't make a whole lot of sense. defending grack for ???? defending grack from spooky ghosts pushing him???? missed joke early. says "mindmeld" then doesn't say what the mindmeld was. mafia pile.
grack made a joke while being yelled at by BH, so he gets half a town point; but otherwise he hasn't done jack esp for a 2 page filter. actually i just looked at his filter and i take his half point back cuz he doesn't really have any posts pushing the game forward.
BH has been disappointing. i expected RNG -> a play or snowball it into some reads. if that was it, he could be mafia.
onegu...flip a coin.
On June 05 2017 03:55 ritoky wrote:
On June 05 2017 01:23 Holyflare wrote: LS what do you think if Fidei putting me in a mafia list with Tumblewood?
I would like an answer to this.
On June 05 2017 08:58 ritoky wrote: people are voting fidei cuz?
And then you come back when people are pushing me and act like me not having a read on Fidei is a good point when you said nothing about him all game.
I mean the difference between me and you is that I basically had no read on fid, and if you want the real reason for that it is because fid posted shit about london in the community thread so i kinda felt like i should just give the benefit of the doubt that there's shit going on there. while you had a read strong enough to potentially call hf mafia for not having the same read, then proclaimed that it wasn't strong and you were content voting on fid.
That's not my point. You were opportunistically calling me out for leaving him off my list when you didn't talk about him at all. The twisted narrative from your second post about me makes me think this is less likely hypocrisy and more likely scum motivated.
I would have been willing to vote for Conversion or Prison Break who I both called town earlier in the day. A large part of the reason that Fidei got voted is that he disappeared for a long time and that has a big influence since my reads change relatively frequently.
I had a lot of chances to shenanny to somebody else at the end of the day. I defended TW. I defended HF. I defended LS. If I wanted to save Fidei I could have given a defense of him and came out looking fine but I didn't want to lynch Tumblewood.
I don't think I did this. What I said was:
1) your read on fid was strong enough that you accused hf of potentially being mafia just for not sharing the same read as you -> then later you claimed to not have a strong read on fid at all. so then why is hf potential mafia for not sharing a weak read of yours?
2) you wanted to lynch onegu minutes before sheeping his read.
3) you wanted to lynch onegu, then pb, then and only after those didn't materialize and there was an obvious tide flocking to fid did you move to fid. to me that indicates that you wanted the shennanie to land on other people first.
And regarding "I change my reads frequently" that's really not a good thing sometimes, what have you done for me recently is kinda a crappy heuristic. Sometimes people just do shit that makes them town or mafia forever.
EPT
