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On June 04 2017 16:13 Onegu wrote: Grack leaves out Fword dude in his list post. But Fword dude has posted much and grack should have a opinion on him but doesnt...
i still like this too. maybe i should read gracks filter
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grack's filter is interesting, some highlights
On June 04 2017 23:41 Grackaroni wrote: HF might be scum for still thinking Fidei is scum. It's hard to be that self-righteous as scum. I think I gave him/her an asthma attack.
so this wasn't a strong read of yours but it was strong enough for hf to be considered mafia for disagreeing with it?
On June 05 2017 06:13 Grackaroni wrote:Not sure. I don't see any major slips anywhere.
no reads, non-commital
On June 05 2017 06:57 Grackaroni wrote: I think your case is solid but I still kind of like him because he's being snarky and more defiant in this game. The other problem is that he's not exactly known to make very much sense as town.
re: TW pre-claim. potential TMI pre-emptive defense.
On June 05 2017 07:35 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2017 07:35 Tumblewood wrote: you know, if we wanted we could lynch onegu for not doing shit I'm down with this idea.
On June 05 2017 07:39 Grackaroni wrote: Onegu's big post is something I've never seen him do before and it wasn't all that useful.
but then sheeps onegu's read? huh?
On June 05 2017 08:53 Grackaroni wrote: I'm going to consolidate to Prison Break.
would appear he preferred the shennanies fall on someone else
On June 05 2017 08:54 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2017 08:53 Grackaroni wrote: I'm going to consolidate to Prison Break. Err I mean the guy TW switched to. Heh.
o woops, the thread went onto someone else who may or may not be my partner, let me fix that by sheeping the claimed blue.
okay this makes me feel better, i could def see 1 of LS or grack being mafia which means i only have to find 1 outside of the wagon.
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On June 06 2017 04:08 LightningStrike wrote: ritoky why you wasted your vote EoD when it was clear no one was on me? That was extremely dumb and BH wasting his vote too was terrible we just got lucky on the shannies hitting scum.
bh waited until the dude was basically in the ground b4 playing games, he didn't endanger shit.
and wasted my vote? i came back with 3 minutes, barely grasped that a blue had been claimed and voted on the next up on my list. you act like my vote could have done anything. i don't see a quadruple voter role in this game.
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On June 06 2017 04:12 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2017 03:49 ritoky wrote:On June 06 2017 03:17 Holyflare wrote: Hey ritoky how about some input? You had concerns about LS and he was on the mafia lynch and you ain't said shit. i work graveyards in the ER so, i been at work and asleep. i mean what do you want me to say? mechanics and my brain tells me that tomorrow we don't lynch anyone who voted on dead lynch mafia because that's optimal play; but i just think LS is mafia. not only did he have basically no reads while being active and present all d1, but he wasn't even trying to get reads. plus that whole take 5 posts to list every possible scenario of vivax and hf arguing was just a steamy turd. plus you look at his post lynch reaction and compare it to BH (who i think comes off incredibly town); and it's just bad. he is reaching for cred like he led a lynch or hammered a lynch when he is an extraneous vote on a basically 7 vote wagon, and has never even said anything relevant about the guy in his filter. plus you go look at his filter in relation to fid: On June 03 2017 20:10 LightningStrike wrote:Just woke up not much going on except some really weird argument between TW and TS. On June 03 2017 19:09 Fidei86 wrote: Hi all! Long time no speak for a lot of you. I've played a bit of video Mafia since I've been away (which I'm horrible at, it turns out) but I'm excited to get back into forums.
I think TW's thinking makes sense if you assume he doesn't know TS's usual posting style (which I think is like almost comically formal); it wasn't immediately obvious to me that TS was joking either. But that said, I'm not sure that I buy TW's switch to town reading TS? TW doesn't recant on his thinking TS is dumb - but if TS is joking then obviously he doesn't believe it, and so isn't dumb?
I also don't like Vivax's read on TS. Asking about RNG lynches isn't driving the game forward either. I'd say TS is null and TW is scummy null; giving them both a town pass at this stage is waaay premature. But at the same time, I do really like Vivax pinging Grack. So overall TR.
The people I really don't like are Onegu, BH, Grack and LS. Everyone else can be forgiven for not being in the thread (HF is British I think, so he gets a pass as well) but each of those has been here and has studiously avoided saying anything meaningful. LS has, what, four or five posts, none saying anything even vaguely game related. I seem to recall LS has trouble getting started as Mafia... this would fit right into that. Actually my last game I had trouble getting started too yet I was town? I guess you haven't followed any games in recent times lol. Filter from last game: http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/mafia/521332-generic-mini-mafia-ii?user=LightningStrikeGranted it still early Day 1 atm. Fidei puts tiny pressure on LS, LS posts a filter link. fidei just stops, then magically LS becomes a town lean. On June 03 2017 22:52 LightningStrike wrote:On June 03 2017 22:36 Fidei86 wrote: okay here's the thing I don't get: TW pointed out that TS's response to BH and the "rush" of posts was weird. I agree with TW insofar as that was the way I read it too, at first. But then TS said he was actually joking, which makes sense (and it fits in with TS' posting style insofar as I remember it from previous games). If it had ended there, fair enough. But then TW says "I still think what you said was weird, but you're towny" after TS had said it was a joke. That doesn't make sense to me. Like, TW landed pretty hard on TS for his initial read, and nothing changed other than TS claiming it wasn't serious, but TW's read flipped.
So that's why I think TW is on the scummy side of null (not because his posts were forced, as others were saying). I too thought it was weird which is why I want TW to explain his townread on TS. The way he jumped on TS and later townreading him for that stuff being a joke is very unusual. trashcan post about agreeing things are weird. On June 05 2017 02:37 LightningStrike wrote:On June 05 2017 02:21 Fidei86 wrote: LS can you give your top three scum? and top three town? top 3 town: Tubesock: Had some decent content that I agreed with. Grack: Tone says town Grack over scum Grack atm he seems genuine with his posts to BH. ritoky: Put in some work and read part of HF's filter from Generic plus decent content posts. top 3 scum BH: His push on Grack seems forced more or less and made a super big deal out of nothing? Also agreed with Tubeosck's point on him. TW: Didn't really like his reasoning on his townread switch on TS. It just feels weird. Honestly don't got a 3rd scum yet. fidei tossing LS softballs. i don't really think i am conf biasing James pretty much spewed me town although iffy at best but here the thing. I went on james because it was either TW who claimed doctor or BH who I felt had atownie reaction to wanting to get lynched over the doctor so I went with the james wagon. We got lucky there that James flipped scum. But that leaves the real question: What the hell scum was doing EoD? The ycould of controlled the lynch yet they didn't. Do you think I would kill my gf that early regardless of what would happen when I care more about the team? I wouldn't risk losing a scum member to shannies at all hell I wouldn't risk it even more on the gf. Also James questions to me I was actually being honest right there I had no 3rd option right at that time.
i reject that you had any influence EoD on the vote; and personal relationships are relevant cuz?
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On June 06 2017 04:15 LightningStrike wrote: ritoky just admit you can't read me for shit especially in the Im the Cop You Idiot game -.-
oh stop.
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On June 06 2017 04:19 LightningStrike wrote: Like if you thought I was going for credit there I wasn't I was just showing my pure emotions at the lynch.
well it read to me like you wanted the world to know how integral you were in the making of that lynch. if that's me misreading you, okay.
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On June 06 2017 04:36 Grackaroni wrote:We can start from the beginning. Every single mention of Fidei in your filter. Show nested quote +On June 04 2017 14:33 ritoky wrote:i think the town is something like; me, tube, vivax, hf; and tentatively conv and pb fidei has like....almost exact opposite reads of me. dunno what to think about that.
reading LS mafia, what else is new for me. On June 05 2017 05:45 ritoky wrote: i have to drag 3 kids under 3 to the grocery store in 45 mins which may be a 2 and a half hour experience. so i would like to figure this shit out. not interested in voting hf or vivax. not particularly interested in voting bh. i don't think my vote is well placed on btdt atm after he emotion carded me.
lookin at TW, grack, fidei, maybe PB, maybe ls btdt has done nothing to change my opinion, still think he is probably mafia. tw doesn't make a whole lot of sense. defending grack for ???? defending grack from spooky ghosts pushing him???? missed joke early. says "mindmeld" then doesn't say what the mindmeld was. mafia pile. grack made a joke while being yelled at by BH, so he gets half a town point; but otherwise he hasn't done jack esp for a 2 page filter. actually i just looked at his filter and i take his half point back cuz he doesn't really have any posts pushing the game forward. BH has been disappointing. i expected RNG -> a play or snowball it into some reads. if that was it, he could be mafia. onegu...flip a coin. Show nested quote +On June 05 2017 03:55 ritoky wrote:On June 05 2017 01:23 Holyflare wrote: LS what do you think if Fidei putting me in a mafia list with Tumblewood? I would like an answer to this. And then you come back when people are pushing me and act like me not having a read on Fidei is a good point when you said nothing about him all game.
I mean the difference between me and you is that I basically had no read on fid, and if you want the real reason for that it is because fid posted shit about london in the community thread so i kinda felt like i should just give the benefit of the doubt that there's shit going on there. while you had a read strong enough to potentially call hf mafia for not having the same read, then proclaimed that it wasn't strong and you were content voting on fid.
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On June 06 2017 04:42 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2017 04:29 ritoky wrote:On June 06 2017 04:08 LightningStrike wrote: ritoky why you wasted your vote EoD when it was clear no one was on me? That was extremely dumb and BH wasting his vote too was terrible we just got lucky on the shannies hitting scum. bh waited until the dude was basically in the ground b4 playing games, he didn't endanger shit. and wasted my vote? i came back with 3 minutes, barely grasped that a blue had been claimed and voted on the next up on my list. you act like my vote could have done anything. i don't see a quadruple voter role in this game. It still makes you and BH look bad for VCA that why I giving a damn about it. We both know wasting votes regardless of the flip is terrible.
i mean i could sit here and argue back that i would have voted on fid for the free cred if i come back to the thread and my partner is basically dead. but where's that gonna get us?
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i don't get you LS. do you think i am wrong or mafia? i feel like you're talking to me like i am wrong, not mafia; which is just bizarre.
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On June 06 2017 04:50 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2017 04:39 ritoky wrote:On June 06 2017 04:36 Grackaroni wrote:We can start from the beginning. Every single mention of Fidei in your filter. On June 04 2017 04:00 ritoky wrote: fidei what are your reads on LS and HF? On June 04 2017 14:33 ritoky wrote:i think the town is something like; me, tube, vivax, hf; and tentatively conv and pb fidei has like....almost exact opposite reads of me. dunno what to think about that.
reading LS mafia, what else is new for me. On June 05 2017 05:45 ritoky wrote: i have to drag 3 kids under 3 to the grocery store in 45 mins which may be a 2 and a half hour experience. so i would like to figure this shit out. not interested in voting hf or vivax. not particularly interested in voting bh. i don't think my vote is well placed on btdt atm after he emotion carded me.
lookin at TW, grack, fidei, maybe PB, maybe ls btdt has done nothing to change my opinion, still think he is probably mafia. tw doesn't make a whole lot of sense. defending grack for ???? defending grack from spooky ghosts pushing him???? missed joke early. says "mindmeld" then doesn't say what the mindmeld was. mafia pile. grack made a joke while being yelled at by BH, so he gets half a town point; but otherwise he hasn't done jack esp for a 2 page filter. actually i just looked at his filter and i take his half point back cuz he doesn't really have any posts pushing the game forward. BH has been disappointing. i expected RNG -> a play or snowball it into some reads. if that was it, he could be mafia. onegu...flip a coin. On June 05 2017 03:55 ritoky wrote:On June 05 2017 01:23 Holyflare wrote: LS what do you think if Fidei putting me in a mafia list with Tumblewood? I would like an answer to this. On June 05 2017 08:58 ritoky wrote: people are voting fidei cuz? And then you come back when people are pushing me and act like me not having a read on Fidei is a good point when you said nothing about him all game. I mean the difference between me and you is that I basically had no read on fid, and if you want the real reason for that it is because fid posted shit about london in the community thread so i kinda felt like i should just give the benefit of the doubt that there's shit going on there. while you had a read strong enough to potentially call hf mafia for not having the same read, then proclaimed that it wasn't strong and you were content voting on fid. That's not my point. You were opportunistically calling me out for leaving him off my list when you didn't talk about him at all. The twisted narrative from your second post about me makes me think this is less likely hypocrisy and more likely scum motivated. I would have been willing to vote for Conversion or Prison Break who I both called town earlier in the day. A large part of the reason that Fidei got voted is that he disappeared for a long time and that has a big influence since my reads change relatively frequently. I had a lot of chances to shenanny to somebody else at the end of the day. I defended TW. I defended HF. I defended LS. If I wanted to save Fidei I could have given a defense of him and came out looking fine but I didn't want to lynch Tumblewood.
I don't think I did this. What I said was:
1) your read on fid was strong enough that you accused hf of potentially being mafia just for not sharing the same read as you -> then later you claimed to not have a strong read on fid at all. so then why is hf potential mafia for not sharing a weak read of yours?
2) you wanted to lynch onegu minutes before sheeping his read.
3) you wanted to lynch onegu, then pb, then and only after those didn't materialize and there was an obvious tide flocking to fid did you move to fid. to me that indicates that you wanted the shennanie to land on other people first.
And regarding "I change my reads frequently" that's really not a good thing sometimes, what have you done for me recently is kinda a crappy heuristic. Sometimes people just do shit that makes them town or mafia forever.
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? so i made a good case on btdt that convinced you to consider him, before he made the emotional play, thus i am mafia?
i am town therefore i am mafia?
can we lynch inside the vote tomorrow? i know we shouldn't but can we please?
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grack thought i was mafia for calling him mafia, then went into my filter with that conclusion looking for reasons to justify it. not town mindset or progression.
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On June 06 2017 12:01 Grackaroni wrote: But Ritoky did something hypocritical so there's 100% chance of a shit fight this cycle.
First he came for the Tumblewood and I didn't care because I'm not the Tumblewood.
Then he came for the Lightningstrike and I didn't care because I'm not the Lightningstrike.
But then he came for me. This time it's personal.
if you want a fight with someone, look elsewhere. i have moved on from my angry days, not that guy anymore. there's plenty of people around who could probably oblige. i just think you're mafia for the reasons i have outlined and i don't think you've done anything to convince me otherwise.
but hey i thought i was mafia for making a convincing case on btdt?
but hey you "read my filter" right? so you would realize that this quote that i am "framing" you with, i picked out a long time ago in my filter and just re-quoted it.
On June 05 2017 05:15 ritoky wrote:but TW's top town read is BH....and his lynch list is HF cuz of omgus, LS for being LS/omgus, and onegu for being low hanging fruit. he didn't even respond to any of 1gu's post which actually had a gem in it: Show nested quote +On June 04 2017 16:13 Onegu wrote: Grack leaves out Fword dude in his list post. But Fword dude has posted much and grack should have a opinion on him but doesnt...
idk i just feel like TW is super peripheral this game. he doesn't engage with what is actually goes on, stays floating on the edges and doesn't take a stand for very much since he got burned right away. don't really think first 30 min vibes paint over the rest of his day phase.
but hey that would take reading my filter rather than just looking for snippets to support the conclusion you already had. or maybe i just planned 2 days ago that "if the scenario ever occurs where onegu becomes confirmed town and fidei dies, and grack is still alive; then whamo! i can pin it on him!" lul.
i asked it before and i will ask it again. if your read on fidei "wasn't that strong" then why did you think HF was mafia explicitly because he didn't share the exact same read as you?
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i said "but hey" a lot there. i don't feel like i normally use that phrase, but for some reason i am saying it a lot today. maybe it is because i don't have the proper mental acuity today to be elegantly sarcastic or passive-aggressive.
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that's exactly what you did. and if that was your answer okay, i don't think it makes sense.
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vivax are you actually claiming for realsies? like never back down never surrender claiming? cuz i am kinda over people fake claiming and softing
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On June 06 2017 13:04 Grackaroni wrote: No I called out your bullshit as soon as I saw it.
It would be one thing if you had talked at length about Fidei being scummy and found it interesting that I didn't include him in my reads list. It's another thing to completely ignore him and then piggy back on what Onegu said about me not talking about him.
I also didn't include TW and Tubesock who most people gave a read on.
then why wasn't it an issue when i quoted it 2 days ago?
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On June 06 2017 13:08 Grackaroni wrote: It didn't seem interesting to me when I didn't know he was scum.
Now that I do it does seem interesting to me.
like i said your narrative for me being mafia is "he called me mafia! oh and he quoted this post onegu made 2 days ago that i didn't care about, but now i do; cuz he plotted to lump me in with fidei in the off chance onegu became confirmed town and fidei died! also he made a really convincing case on btdt that i agreed with, makes him mafia too."
town find evidence and draw conclusions from it. you make conclusions and try to find evidence and warp a narrative to fit your constructed worldview, that's just basic mafia mindset.
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On June 06 2017 13:15 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2017 13:14 ritoky wrote:On June 06 2017 13:08 Grackaroni wrote: It didn't seem interesting to me when I didn't know he was scum.
Now that I do it does seem interesting to me. like i said your narrative for me being mafia is "he called me mafia! oh and he quoted this post onegu made 2 days ago that i didn't care about, but now i do; cuz he plotted to lump me in with fidei in the off chance onegu became confirmed town and fidei died! also he made a really convincing case on btdt that i agreed with, makes him mafia too." town find evidence and draw conclusions from it. you make conclusions and try to find evidence and warp a narrative to fit your constructed worldview, that's just basic mafia mindset. You're mafia at best. Hypocritical at worst.
Well if you're mafia then just keep posting about me and I'll happily send you to obs, if by some miracle you aren't then you should go find one cuz you're barking up the wrong tree.
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why the hell would i care about my image as town?
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