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if you don't get anyone b4 ur proposed start time i guess i can fill the hole. otherwise obs me
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LS can you not just post 15-30 page filters and say "read this and you'll see my point!" who the fuck is actually going to do that? quote the posts or give me a page range at the very least.
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how the hell do you quote posts from this filter link?
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oh...apparently it logs me out? weird
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On May 20 2017 19:47 Holyflare wrote:I think you probably lynch ls first tbh. The more I think about his play the worse it looks. D1 calls me mafia, lynches his best friend damdred with me on the wagon. N1 calls me mafia despite voting with him but agrees with me that rayn is mafia-y despite calling me mafia. D2 makes a meta case that rayn is mafia because of rage but only has 1 meta link to XXX mafia and it looks nothing like this game. Then he just afks on that wagon despite there being other wagons and palmar voting rayn for modkill reasons. When asked who LS' scum reads other than rayn are he says he has none. Show nested quote +On May 15 2017 05:05 LightningStrike wrote:
this vote count looks nasty we need to consolidate onto people. And doesn't consolidate. Despite the fact he thinks rayn is the only mafia and he agrees with my case on rayn and he's voting rayn he still thinks I'm mafia but NOT with rayn, the guy he is voting for. Show nested quote +On May 15 2017 05:24 LightningStrike wrote:On May 15 2017 05:17 Vivax wrote:On May 15 2017 04:48 LightningStrike wrote:On May 15 2017 04:13 Holyflare wrote:
LS, who do you think are rayn's partners? Idk honestly I just think he's mafia independent of anything. I don't think I've ever seen anyone write this. LS are you 100% sure that rayn is your only scumread? Well I got HF as a scumlean but i don't think HF could be scum with rayn tbh. Furthermore, LS has been inconsistent on his reads. He says that palmar is mafia repeatedly but then says he'll lynch both palmar and holyflare despite earlier saying that if rayn is town palmar is mafia. He goes on to say that tw did not spew grack town because the case was shit but begins today saying grack is confirmed town because of spew. Show nested quote +On May 20 2017 04:16 LightningStrike wrote:
I think HF or Palmar are scum based on TW's list honestly so I willing to lynch one or the other and the fact Grack was spewed makes so my 3rd scum is between sicklucker and prison break. sicklucker hasn't have the same euthiaism as normally does as town after lynching a scum and was afk for the most part of the auto lynch of TW like he normally does when one of his scum buddies is getting lynched. PB I did like his content early I just more afraid that he could of just been trying to blend but his way of trying to lynch sicklucker over HF and Palmar might seem townie? Show nested quote +On May 19 2017 01:50 LightningStrike wrote:I think this was the closest he got to a town case on Grack but it wasn't exactly a great town case which is why I don't remember him doing one: On May 14 2017 04:05 Tumblewood wrote:dont lynch grack plsof course first i have to establish that there isn't really such a thing as anti-incrimination. townreads will always be a more wishy-washy sort of read than scum reads which means no one is allowed to yell at you when you call someoine town , i think. the smarter thing to do was probably to make a refutation to the scum case but oh well, i am no weenie so here are some examples of grack doing things that are townie things to do. like calling people out: + Show Spoiler +On May 13 2017 05:42 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2017 18:11 Palmar wrote:
random voteswitching at the deadline didn't work?
I'm shocked I say, shocked. Dude you didn't even show up. You were like "Oh no we have only a 5% chance of success. Allow me to proceed to do absolutely nothing!" boom rekt On May 10 2017 17:36 Grackaroni wrote:Honestly this is seeming pretty fishy to me. Show nested quote +On May 10 2017 16:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 10 2017 16:05 Grackaroni wrote:On May 10 2017 16:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 10 2017 15:38 Grackaroni wrote:
I don't mean it as an attack. I just found it interesting that you called all of the people town but us and we had kind of a similar response to it.
So what's interesting in that? What are your conclusions? My conclusion is that Rayn is in a rage induced tunnel. How about you play the game instead of this shit? Did you just say you made a series of posts that indicate -- no, literally say, you found the first thing in the game that interests you yet you cannot make a single conclusion out of it? Show nested quote +On May 10 2017 16:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:Okay that makes sense. I am really not trying to twist anything you say into anything else. I just saw you making a post, thought about what it indicates (correctly  ) and it didn't make any sense to me. Since really, i know my own alignment and even if fuba is mafia there is no reason anyone of you three would most likely respond differently, therefore your conclusion didn't make much sense to me -- and looked more to be like what i said.Obviously Tumblewood and you can question me for a read you don't understand or don't get. At first you just seemed to be doing it "wrong", you know what i mean? I don't think it makes you mafia, i just want you to be clear in what you say and not cryptic because i don't wanna guess what you say. I want people to lay out stuff clear so i can just focus on making conclusions on that said stuff. rn I am most interested in on how Holyflare thinks anything of what i have said possibly makes me mafia. Before you were attacking me for making no conclusion and now you are changing your mind because the whole time you thought there shouldn't have been any conclusion? this post (and also the one where he responds to the damdred WoT) also indicate that he is closely reading and actually analyzing the game. which is ofc a Townie Thing To Do and having fun. but not like shapelog trolling, actually being funny. also kinda had a real purpose behind it + Show Spoiler +On May 10 2017 15:24 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2017 15:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What exactly are the quality posts you three made? They looked kinda like this: scum imitating trolling always end up being cryptic and useless, and not actually good like this. that was a much better explanation than the one outside the spoiler On May 10 2017 18:48 Grackaroni wrote:
I don't know who started this noted thing but it's super obnoxious. On May 10 2017 18:51 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2017 18:50 Palmar wrote:
I think I'm going to vote you and see how it feels. Maybe it'll feel good, I don't know. So many things yet unanswered. Noted. admit it u are literally laughing ur ass off but the way this is done conveys his genuine irritation with the noted thing too part of the difficulty in writing this is i don't get how on earth he is scum anyway. it is just so obvious from his filter that this guy is town. but if you have a couple points against him i can tell you they're shit and we can make a little more progress towards Not Lynching An Obvious Townie On Day 2 his points aren't really great so the fact he went to try to defend grack could mean grack is a potental partner for TW but there might be other people who could be TW's partner. LS has a problem of forgetting his own reads and then trying to blend by just copying other people's reads. Lynch him after me.
this is his primary case against you and it doesn't feel similar at all. i guess he accusing you of being inconsistent again, that's the only real similarity i can see. am i missing something more?
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On June 04 2017 03:23 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2017 03:22 ritoky wrote:On May 20 2017 19:47 Holyflare wrote:I think you probably lynch ls first tbh. The more I think about his play the worse it looks. D1 calls me mafia, lynches his best friend damdred with me on the wagon. N1 calls me mafia despite voting with him but agrees with me that rayn is mafia-y despite calling me mafia. D2 makes a meta case that rayn is mafia because of rage but only has 1 meta link to XXX mafia and it looks nothing like this game. Then he just afks on that wagon despite there being other wagons and palmar voting rayn for modkill reasons. When asked who LS' scum reads other than rayn are he says he has none. On May 15 2017 05:05 LightningStrike wrote:
this vote count looks nasty we need to consolidate onto people. And doesn't consolidate. Despite the fact he thinks rayn is the only mafia and he agrees with my case on rayn and he's voting rayn he still thinks I'm mafia but NOT with rayn, the guy he is voting for. On May 15 2017 05:24 LightningStrike wrote:On May 15 2017 05:17 Vivax wrote:On May 15 2017 04:48 LightningStrike wrote:On May 15 2017 04:13 Holyflare wrote:
LS, who do you think are rayn's partners? Idk honestly I just think he's mafia independent of anything. I don't think I've ever seen anyone write this. LS are you 100% sure that rayn is your only scumread? Well I got HF as a scumlean but i don't think HF could be scum with rayn tbh. Furthermore, LS has been inconsistent on his reads. He says that palmar is mafia repeatedly but then says he'll lynch both palmar and holyflare despite earlier saying that if rayn is town palmar is mafia. He goes on to say that tw did not spew grack town because the case was shit but begins today saying grack is confirmed town because of spew. On May 20 2017 04:16 LightningStrike wrote:
I think HF or Palmar are scum based on TW's list honestly so I willing to lynch one or the other and the fact Grack was spewed makes so my 3rd scum is between sicklucker and prison break. sicklucker hasn't have the same euthiaism as normally does as town after lynching a scum and was afk for the most part of the auto lynch of TW like he normally does when one of his scum buddies is getting lynched. PB I did like his content early I just more afraid that he could of just been trying to blend but his way of trying to lynch sicklucker over HF and Palmar might seem townie? On May 19 2017 01:50 LightningStrike wrote:I think this was the closest he got to a town case on Grack but it wasn't exactly a great town case which is why I don't remember him doing one: On May 14 2017 04:05 Tumblewood wrote:dont lynch grack plsof course first i have to establish that there isn't really such a thing as anti-incrimination. townreads will always be a more wishy-washy sort of read than scum reads which means no one is allowed to yell at you when you call someoine town , i think. the smarter thing to do was probably to make a refutation to the scum case but oh well, i am no weenie so here are some examples of grack doing things that are townie things to do. like calling people out: + Show Spoiler +On May 13 2017 05:42 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2017 18:11 Palmar wrote:
random voteswitching at the deadline didn't work?
I'm shocked I say, shocked. Dude you didn't even show up. You were like "Oh no we have only a 5% chance of success. Allow me to proceed to do absolutely nothing!" boom rekt On May 10 2017 17:36 Grackaroni wrote:Honestly this is seeming pretty fishy to me. Show nested quote +On May 10 2017 16:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 10 2017 16:05 Grackaroni wrote:On May 10 2017 16:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 10 2017 15:38 Grackaroni wrote:
I don't mean it as an attack. I just found it interesting that you called all of the people town but us and we had kind of a similar response to it.
So what's interesting in that? What are your conclusions? My conclusion is that Rayn is in a rage induced tunnel. How about you play the game instead of this shit? Did you just say you made a series of posts that indicate -- no, literally say, you found the first thing in the game that interests you yet you cannot make a single conclusion out of it? Show nested quote +On May 10 2017 16:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:Okay that makes sense. I am really not trying to twist anything you say into anything else. I just saw you making a post, thought about what it indicates (correctly ) and it didn't make any sense to me. Since really, i know my own alignment and even if fuba is mafia there is no reason anyone of you three would most likely respond differently, therefore your conclusion didn't make much sense to me -- and looked more to be like what i said.Obviously Tumblewood and you can question me for a read you don't understand or don't get. At first you just seemed to be doing it "wrong", you know what i mean? I don't think it makes you mafia, i just want you to be clear in what you say and not cryptic because i don't wanna guess what you say. I want people to lay out stuff clear so i can just focus on making conclusions on that said stuff. rn I am most interested in on how Holyflare thinks anything of what i have said possibly makes me mafia. Before you were attacking me for making no conclusion and now you are changing your mind because the whole time you thought there shouldn't have been any conclusion? this post (and also the one where he responds to the damdred WoT) also indicate that he is closely reading and actually analyzing the game. which is ofc a Townie Thing To Do and having fun. but not like shapelog trolling, actually being funny. also kinda had a real purpose behind it + Show Spoiler +On May 10 2017 15:24 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2017 15:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What exactly are the quality posts you three made? They looked kinda like this: scum imitating trolling always end up being cryptic and useless, and not actually good like this. that was a much better explanation than the one outside the spoiler On May 10 2017 18:48 Grackaroni wrote:
I don't know who started this noted thing but it's super obnoxious. On May 10 2017 18:51 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2017 18:50 Palmar wrote:
I think I'm going to vote you and see how it feels. Maybe it'll feel good, I don't know. So many things yet unanswered. Noted. admit it u are literally laughing ur ass off but the way this is done conveys his genuine irritation with the noted thing too part of the difficulty in writing this is i don't get how on earth he is scum anyway. it is just so obvious from his filter that this guy is town. but if you have a couple points against him i can tell you they're shit and we can make a little more progress towards Not Lynching An Obvious Townie On Day 2 his points aren't really great so the fact he went to try to defend grack could mean grack is a potental partner for TW but there might be other people who could be TW's partner. LS has a problem of forgetting his own reads and then trying to blend by just copying other people's reads. Lynch him after me. this is his primary case against you and it doesn't feel similar at all. i guess he accusing you of being inconsistent again, that's the only real similarity i can see. am i missing something more? Did you read his follow up on that case?
you mean posts like this?
On May 20 2017 23:54 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2017 23:09 LightningStrike wrote:
You can lynch me if you want but I thinking HF's refusal to lynch Palmar despite the fact we gave him the opportunity to do it and him sort of defending palmar is enough of as reason to lynch HF and if HF is scum we can move on to to sicklucker. How the hell can you think only one of us is mafia but the guy trying to solve the game is the one instead of the guy pandering to emotions? None of that makes the slightest bit of sense. If there's only one mafia between us then why do I spend my time trying to defend him when I just let him die and get confirmed town?
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i guess i get how tonally it can feel the same from your PoV because HF is saying you're inconsistent and if you were consistent you should think X, but you randomly think Y which makes no sense.
but HF does that always and to pretty much everyone. it's how sometimes he ends up lynching dumb instead of scum. i think you're kinda omgusing.
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the person i think is most mafia right now is probably BTDT. i think his reads are cheap and hollow.
he defends TW for missing a joke "full frontal" (w/e the shit that means); when from my experience lacking a sense of humor is more mafia indicative than town.
he defends grack from vivax because of last game? he doesn't disagree with vivax that what grack is doing isn't more scum indicative, he just says "don't call him mafia cuz he said terrible things last game too". read as mafia trying to pocket/protect weak town a bit.
he prods the new player, which is easy for anyone to do.
he calls out PB for sounding wishy-washy....but that makes no sense to me. he has a read on TW and grack from previous games, but not on PB. in the previous game PB was incredibly definitive and made tons of sense pretty much all game long. in this game PB sounds more unsure and makes less sense. it makes me think PB is more likely town, so why does PB sounding dissimilar to last game make him think PB is the same alignment as last game?
dunno....pretty much don't like anything of what he has posted.
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also the "i am calling things weird, but not alignment indicative......YET!" post pisses me off.
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fidei what are your reads on LS and HF?
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On June 04 2017 06:30 Fidei86 wrote:
@ritoky I talked myself around on this a bit. Literally every game I've played with LS he's been inactive, with bad meta reads and links to filters. And every time he has been town. BH makes a good point that you have to try and work out if something is scummy for the person in question, and for LS the stuff that HF pinged out is null. LS' OMGUS drive against HF actually makes me think LS might be town - by reason of the fact that I don't know if LS as Mafia starts pushing HF based purely on OMGUS, who I presume is one of the most experienced players in the game.
HF - his reads are thin and I think his LS read is wrong in particular. He has also kept pushing the TW read long after everyone else had sort of agreed and moved on. I think he probably is at a wedding tho, so his style makes sense in that context. I think it's a null-leaning slightly scummy read, but I definitely wouldn't lynch into him at the moment.
Apart from the actual AFKers, the two people I'm most on at the moment are TW and Conversation, but for different reasons. We've all pinged out his weird read progression on TS earlier, but then when he finally comes back he comes in and gives two lazy-ass reads on me and ritoky (and yes, I know D1 association reads are garbage, but if one of those flips red later the other could be with them). And Conversation thread enters, leaves for almost a day, then comes back in and posts a huge WoT which basically just says nothing about the game at all. It basically flashes "I'm here and I don't care about the game", which is scumtell 101. In a way it's almost too flagrant, but I'm definitely not willing to give the benefit of the doubt at this stage.
re:bolded, is this because you have many town reads? or? cuz i feel like with new players it generally should be the opposite
re:LS, what about him backing off the read immediately once i pressured him about it? is that alignment indicative to you?
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On June 04 2017 07:29 beentheredonethat wrote:
no I haven't read the last 3-4 pages in a serious manner
yes I'm going to bed now
no I'm not scum
i mean....if i am wrong, then how does shit like this help me get from where i am to being right? the game is like 6 pages total....w/e
annoyed.
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On June 04 2017 06:45 Onegu wrote:
ok im here reading now
dota?
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On June 04 2017 08:38 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2017 07:28 beentheredonethat wrote:
shame on everyone who scumreads me D1. Everyone should know by now that I'm simply bad at this game. Could you expand upon your read of why I make you feel weird about my alignment? I'd appreciate some effort into why you think my posts are scummy so I can understand how you think instead of what you and Fidei are doing, which is calling me weird or "scumtell 101" without actually expanding upon it. It feels rather off to me that people would let inactives pass, but rather unconstructed arguments based on feelings (you) can pass as constructive posts.
don't worry about them. tell me who you think is town or mafia.
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On June 04 2017 08:51 Conversion wrote:
I agree with PB above in btdt-- the first non newbie game I played a lot of vets gave me a lot of shit for making my excuses lack of presence by playing the newbie card. I think it's okay if you are a bad player or a newbie, but I think it's worse for the town environment by throwing your arms up and saying you're a bad player instead of trying to be the best town player you can ability wise
i am fine with players being new or bad, i actually tend to read new or bad players relatively well. what i want more of from you is what you think and why. it doesn't have to be big elaborate posts or well constructed thoughts, i just need a window into your brain so i can try to read you.
when you type things like "i am glad x and y are reading me town"; normally that would indicate to me that you're more concerned with your image in the thread and how others are perceiving you than you are about finding mafia. and maybe that is the case, i don't have a good enough feel for you yet. but i want less posts like that and more posts like "i think this guy is this alignment cuz x." even if x is 1 sentence or 1 quoted post or some vague feeling in your kidney. if you don't post your train of thoughts in the thread i can never follow you, it will just come off like scattered thoughts or large leaps in logic that are disconnected
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On June 04 2017 09:04 Tumblewood wrote:
specifically I mean grack is probably town. every game I see grack getting scumread by other townies but never really pushed, but he always comes through with the sort of analysis that's right on the money once or twice
who's pushing/scum reading grack? and why is he town?
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On June 04 2017 09:13 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2017 08:57 ritoky wrote:On June 04 2017 08:51 Conversion wrote:
I agree with PB above in btdt-- the first non newbie game I played a lot of vets gave me a lot of shit for making my excuses lack of presence by playing the newbie card. I think it's okay if you are a bad player or a newbie, but I think it's worse for the town environment by throwing your arms up and saying you're a bad player instead of trying to be the best town player you can ability wise i am fine with players being new or bad, i actually tend to read new or bad players relatively well. what i want more of from you is what you think and why. it doesn't have to be big elaborate posts or well constructed thoughts, i just need a window into your brain so i can try to read you. when you type things like "i am glad x and y are reading me town"; normally that would indicate to me that you're more concerned with your image in the thread and how others are perceiving you than you are about finding mafia. and maybe that is the case, i don't have a good enough feel for you yet. but i want less posts like that and more posts like "i think this guy is this alignment cuz x." even if x is 1 sentence or 1 quoted post or some vague feeling in your kidney. if you don't post your train of thoughts in the thread i can never follow you, it will just come off like scattered thoughts or large leaps in logic that are disconnected PB is a neutral for me because the one game I saw him play here, I thought he was town in Generic II, and he's playing rather similarly. I want to say he's town right now.
What about PB's play is similar to you? I was obsing that game, and he seems far less certain and definitive thus far to me.
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On June 04 2017 11:36 Onegu wrote:
scrubed out of the battle cup. Really am reading and catching up now.
i don't wanna be a dick and yell at you for inactivity like others do, but come on man. your filter is a VT claim and 3 promises to do things.....like 5% more effort at least?
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i think the town is something like; me, tube, vivax, hf; and tentatively conv and pb
fidei has like....almost exact opposite reads of me. dunno what to think about that.
reading LS mafia, what else is new for me.
btdt has done nothing to change my opinion, still think he is probably mafia.
tw doesn't make a whole lot of sense. defending grack for ???? defending grack from spooky ghosts pushing him???? missed joke early. says "mindmeld" then doesn't say what the mindmeld was. mafia pile.
grack made a joke while being yelled at by BH, so he gets half a town point; but otherwise he hasn't done jack esp for a 2 page filter. actually i just looked at his filter and i take his half point back cuz he doesn't really have any posts pushing the game forward.
BH has been disappointing. i expected RNG -> a play or snowball it into some reads. if that was it, he could be mafia.
onegu...flip a coin.
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