EPTthere's a red check and a claim to vote for and PB is like "nah fuckit I'll vote btdt"
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beentheredonethat
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there's a red check and a claim to vote for and PB is like "nah fuckit I'll vote btdt" | ||
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beentheredonethat
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honestly if we lynch vivax at this point and he flips cop are we even in a terrible spot? we lynch HF tomorrow which means we have 2 scum in 3 lynches, that seems pretty good for a worst case scenario best case scenario is vivax is scum which is obv good, and lynching HF is bad because odds are vivax was going to be lynched at some point anyway If he flips cop, we don't have a cop. Next kill would then most likely be Tumblewood (if he's indeed doc) because doc would save the cop. If all those claims are real, ofc. If HF flips green, we can lynch a scum tomorrow. Which is super fine. We don't lose the cop. I just don't understand how a sane person can prefer the un-cc'ed cop lynch over the claimed check lynch. Even if HF isn't scum, we get Vivax. In both cases it's a bit coinflippy but why the hell would you start with the potential cop and not with the potential scum? | ||
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beentheredonethat
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On June 07 2017 03:07 Blazinghand wrote: So BTDT "why would vivax trade himself for holyflare if vivax was scum?" is implying that Vivax wasn't already gonna be lynched today. You of course had Vivax in your "don't lynch" list but let's imagine that he was 100% doomed today. If he was in fact 100% gonna be lynched, as scum, why NOT try to take down HF first? Another way to look at it was "We're either lynching Vivax or HF today, who is scummier?" and I think the obvious answer is Vivax, even accounting for the cop claim. It's entirely possible Vivax is in fact the town cop (or a vanilla townie who's just really mad at HF or something). But his play makes sense from the PoV of low-effort scum who can't be arsed to play the game, thinks he's dead no matter what, but wants to try to take someone down with him. I just don't understand how at the very beginning of a 48 hour phase, a lynch on Vivax is already locked and will happen 100% of the time. The "If" you say there is a super big one. Also why not simply cc the doc in Tumblewood and argue people into that? Vivax should be capable of that. | ||
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beentheredonethat
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On June 07 2017 03:09 Prison Break wrote: if vivax flips cop we lynch HF and are down to 1 scum, which seems fine I have more of a problem if vivax is town fake claiming, I want to eliminate that possibility first so I want him to come in and confirm his claim / or retract it If HF flips scum we have a cop and a claimed doctor to heal that cop to get an additional check. | ||
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beentheredonethat
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im super content in lynching that guy, still, but not over hf | ||
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beentheredonethat
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also keep in mind yes one scum is down but we have wonky claims in tw/vivax, we have players that are super capable of bussing (BH/Onegu) and there's a lot of things to be paranoid about. In no way is this going to be easy, especially if we lynch Vivax and he flips cop because hell HF is capable of talking himself out of a check. In a cop/doc situation, a framer might be in, right? | ||
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beentheredonethat
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On June 07 2017 03:12 Blazinghand wrote: Depends on if HF is the RB or not. In this scenario, Mafia RB, if still alive, can RB the doc and shoot the cop. That being said, there is SOMETHING to be said for "all things being absolutely equal, it's probably better to lynch HF first since it'd give us an extra cop check if he's the RB" so this is a valid point Granted. We have a cop and a doc claim and I am paranoid about the lack of any cc'ing here. Counter claiming either cop or doc is the thing right now that will kill a second mafia, potentially even the roleblocker. By the way - GF is in so that should confirm the cop in this setup, right? I'm fairly certain that as long as there's no counterclaim, we should always lynch HF over Vivax. | ||
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beentheredonethat
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On June 07 2017 03:15 Holyflare wrote: You should press the quote button on the posts you want to quote because it's hard to decipher between what you write and what's a quote. And he knows that from Generic II. This guy is absolutely scummy. | ||
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beentheredonethat
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On June 07 2017 03:17 Holyflare wrote: Because if you're playing the same game you'd know vivax was bad fake claiming or mafia. He even says in his post he's going to rescind. Point me to that. At the end of the day nothing anyone ever said matters again and you will all just lynch another random person again in some attack of herd mentality (which is the prime reason I'm not happy with this game). And don't tell me that lynching fidei wasn't random as hell cause you were all literally just looking for someone else to lynch other than TW except for 1gu who actually had some real arguments. He seems to be all fucked up about the randomness of this game. And I can understand that: looking only at activity (not content), he's active and participating and gets scumread, while low-volume players that didn't contribute too hard to this game get a lot of cred because they yolo'd a lynch onto scum gf. I can super understand his frustration and I don't understand why you call that "bad fake claiming or mafia". | ||
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beentheredonethat
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On June 07 2017 03:19 Blazinghand wrote: "I'm fairly certain he's not the guy to leave his teammates alone and fuck off of the sinking ship" he literally is the kind of guy to do that "HF is capable of talking himself out of a check" not with me around kiddo " a framer might be in, right" literally impossible under the rules ah you're right. super good, lynch HF, no way he has been framed, so no way for Vivax to talk himself out of anything should HF flip green | ||
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beentheredonethat
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On June 07 2017 03:20 Holyflare wrote: How on earth is going through all that effort to make your post unreadable scummy? I think you need to take a chill pill on your scum tells. 1. make a case 2. make it as unreadable as possible 3. "whoops" how is that not scummy? "look at all the effort I'm putting in guys but please don't really look at it as it's constructed" | ||
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beentheredonethat
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On June 07 2017 03:21 Blazinghand wrote: GF being in does NOT confirm cop existence. The Hosts don't want the Mafia to have too much information, so they get a GF at the start whether or not there's a cop. Man every piece of setup speculation you're doing is so bad Don't call me bad, I get tilted super fast and then I get worse. There's no need for a host to put in a GF when there is no investigative role. Can be a goon. Why would you actively mislead scum? In setups with cop/doc, it's even balance-wise important for mafia to know what's going on because they'll never be able to fake claim in a meaningful way if they don't know the setup. | ||
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beentheredonethat
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On June 07 2017 03:24 Holyflare wrote: We Lynched Mafia And He Says It's Cos Onegu Made Good Points And Everyone Sheeped Onegu So why is he mad at all that fidei, the mafia, got lynched based on content. It was 0% random AND UNAVOIDABLE BECAUSE THE MAIN WAGON CLAIMED BLUE. He makes it out like he's pissed off from an unavoidable situation that he played no part in to help. Then he says at the end of the day after everyone picks a side in the cop battle we'll lynch someone random. Because he is going to rescind and say it's all a joke to make us flail like day 1. I don't think you're making sense. And I think you're trying to talk me into lynching Vivax. I'm not gonna lynch into the un-cc'ed cop because his red-check told me to do so. It's super madness. If he lied, he'll be lynched next day. If not, HF is scum. Supercool. | ||
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beentheredonethat
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On June 07 2017 03:22 Blazinghand wrote: So you think it's more likely HF will flip scum than Vivax will flip scum, based on their contributions to the game and Vivax's claim? Just to be clear here, you think HF is more likely to be scum than Vivax is? please explicitly answer directly. HF is super active and drives the game forward. Vivax is not so super active, has fucked off D2, but I think he had a decent D1. Without the claim: I'd probably lynch neither of them. If I had to choose, I'd lynch Vivax over HF. | ||
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beentheredonethat
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On June 07 2017 03:27 Blazinghand wrote: Sigh, AS A HOST, and as the guy who does balance checks (sometimes) for new hosts, I give mafia a GF and advise giving Mafia GF even in games with no cop, it it's a closed setup. You make the experience identical whether there is or isn't a cop. This is like... I mean, come on man/ I'm not saying you're a bad player, but at least please trust my experience. I'm not saying there's definitely no cop; I'm saying the existence of a GF is independent of that fact. I'm not saying you're a bad player, but just leave the setup speculation to me ok This is a semi-open setup, not a closed setup. | ||
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beentheredonethat
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beentheredonethat
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On June 07 2017 03:29 Blazinghand wrote: JESUS CHRIST HOW ARE YOU SO DENSE THE POINT IS THAT WE DON'T HAVE EXACT ROLE COUNTS AND SHIT, YOUR OBJECTION IS COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT ALSO THIS IS SEMI-CLOSED NOT SEMI-OPEN JUST STOP TALKING This game uses a semi-open setup. Taken from the OP. | ||
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beentheredonethat
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In a situation where a un-cc'ed cop claims a red-check on a player, do you lynch the un-cc'ed cop over the red-check because the un-cc'ed cop previously was scummier than his red-check? | ||
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beentheredonethat
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On June 07 2017 03:31 Blazinghand wrote: actually you know what BTDT if it makes you feel better I concede the point on the NAMING of the setup type, but there's NOTHING that implies that automatically there must be a Cop if there is a GF. In fact, PM the host if you want and ask, "in setups with a GF, is it required by the rules there also is a cop" please give it a try sweet mother of mercy I'm not saying existence of cop is super confirmed. I'm saying it's likely that there is one given we have a GF. Your argument is "no, it's not likely, most of the time there is a gf in even if there is no cop". We're not talking setup confirmation here. You're putting super weight on that one bit, my main point was "hey, you guys are lynching the un-cc'ed cop, that's not a good idea". | ||
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beentheredonethat
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On June 07 2017 03:31 beentheredonethat wrote: Just one question: In a situation where a un-cc'ed cop claims a red-check on a player, do you lynch the un-cc'ed cop over the red-check because the un-cc'ed cop previously was scummier than his red-check? should I [big] and [b] this maybe | ||
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