On June 05 2017 18:40 beentheredonethat wrote:
I still think PB is scum tho :O

And HF might also be because he was super duper late on Fidei

BH/Onegu town

EBWOP: ment to respond to this quote

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June 06 2017 00:15 GMT

#1008

I'll be honest I'm not caught up so I haven't read any questions directed at me

I filtered some people that were the primary lynch targets and gave my opinion on them

No I haven't posted a list but I have given reads on at least half the players which is something

I'm sorry for not engaging as much as I'd like to, it's more because of being busy / I find it hard to read through everything ( like I could read through it quickly, but I prefer to keep looking for connections and read things thoroughly so I tend to read back and filter people while reading, some people take that as me "coming up with the right conclusions based on nothing", but I can tell you if I were mafia I would've just dropped random reads and posts every now and then. But right now I want to actually only post when I'm caught up / when I have good reads because I'm not scum this game. )

I think a lot of people are biased because of last game, and when you realize Tumblewood would've been the lynch prior to claiming, HF has a lot of suspicion, and people want me dead or are suspiciouos of me, I'd say that is the exact scumteam of last people and people should look if we're actually scum again or that it's just a bias.

Like I said my scumread on beentheredonethat is strong, if he has done anything in the last pages that I haven't read yet then I may reconsider, but, he did a lot of really scummy stuff early on which I pointed out so something really crazy would have had to happen for me to change my mind on him.

I think it's also scummy that people are saying that I can be scum while completely ignoring the Fidei86 flip. Yes I "bussed" HF last game but read the quicktopic and you'll see that:

- I asked peoples stances on bussing/hard defending, and HF clearly said he is cool with either

- Later on, he said "keep the pressure, I like the pressure, I'm not getting lynch" etc.

- He would get alive=scummed eventually anyway

- I was the roleblocker, he was vanilla

- Fidei was godfather

- HF townread me that game while I scumread him, in this game, Fidei was suspicious of me and I responded by calling him out on his behavior. Doesn't that make sense? Fidei as scum pushing a lot of people for "lurking", me calling him out and pushing for his lynch, beentheredonethat attacking me for it and saying Fidei is town. Like how does this not make sense from a me being town and fidei + possibly beentheredonethat being scum? Explain that to me please. Also explain why I would be so hesistant to post: last game I would make shit up and recklessly vote during night phases, post random reads, sometimes without explanation, etc. Right now I'm clearly trying to actually put effort in the content of what I say....rather than the presentation of it.

I'm sorry if i come off desinterested, I'm not, I just couldn't get myself to read through everything + I am busy

I'll try to get as far as I can and will drop my thoughts, I did plan on dropping a list, but for now I think beentheredonethat is scum and vivax is someone I want to look into more. And I've given a lot of townreads that I still think are town as well but I'll filter them to confirm

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June 06 2017 01:04 GMT

#1022

you know tumblewood could just be blue and mafia left him alive to die?

I mean a doc isn't a even powerful if he's going to get lynched right

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June 06 2017 01:38 GMT

#1036

Like I said

Obviously you always kill blue's

So we should kill TW right now

But what if mafia kept him alive for this reason?

I don't think TW is the kill today based on "being alive"

I'm also not saying blue should CC him, I think the situation resolves itself later on

If we don't know where to go blue can CC anyway

Thoughts on this idea?

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June 06 2017 01:38 GMT

#1037

For what it's worth I think Tumblewood is still town if I had to decide right now

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June 06 2017 01:43 GMT

#1043

On June 06 2017 10:39 Holyflare wrote:
By the way, this is a game wide announcement. If you are a cop/vigi/doctor/any kind of blue then you should absolutely out to cc Tumblewood. Today is the only day that this is acceptable because any later then we are forced to assume it's a mafia plan.

Why, is there only 1 blue / game?

Another doc sure but idk why cop/vig claims?

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June 06 2017 01:47 GMT

#1048

If we assume TW got rb'd tonight and rb can't target the same target twice, then he may get nightkilled tomorrow night

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June 06 2017 01:58 GMT

#1052

On June 06 2017 10:52 LightningStrike wrote:

Show nested quote +

Pretty sure they could just rb a person as often as they like.

In that case vig/cop shouldn't claim (rb doc and nightkill vig/cop? Or kill doc and rb vig/cop) and I don't understand what HF is doing.

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June 06 2017 02:00 GMT

#1053

Yea I mean if someone is rb'd sure they can "CC" you on it

But if I was blue I wouldn't CC here, unless if I was roleblocked

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June 06 2017 02:40 GMT

#1058

I am filtering some people and here are some

hard townreads:

Tumblewood - had him townread prior to claim, then un cc'd blue, probably alive because rb

Tubesock - wants to go for vivax/btdt with I agree with despite him saying earlier he wouldnt, or didnt know how to feel about them, which seems like town progressing his reads, 2nd vote on Fidei

Blazinghand - town, explained this earlier

LightningStrike - "I town here I ready to redeem myself for what happened last!" motived start. Called out "James" early on. Saying he needs to keep an eye on me instead of actually saying what I do is scummy gives him towncred as well. stuff such as "Also btdt's argument is pretty dumb but don't think it makes him scum necessary. It just a dumb argument I feel." shows he at least tries to consider things from multiple angels. "Anyways we do need to figure out who we lynching today since EoD is in 8 hours." tries to keep town on the right track. Voted Fidei at some point.

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June 06 2017 03:08 GMT

#1061

Shit my post got removed. Tl;dr is:

Hard townreads:
Onegu
Ritoky

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Holyflare: filter is too long and confusing to read but I trust my initial townread + I kind of townread him now + I agree with "leaving him alive a few days"

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So this leaves the people I want to look into / I will have to filter yet / my PoE: Vivax, Grackaroni, beentheredonethat, Conversion

But right now I think beentheredonethat is just scum, and Vivax could be scum as well, and I had a gutfeel about grackaroni as well.

I intentionally filtered my townreads first and they all still seem townie after filtering.

beentheredonethat is the one I'm comfortable lynching right now, the other 3 I want to filter etc. before I decide although vivax would lean towards being a lynch target as well. the other 2 I would want to read / think through first

sorry I can't read everything at once but this is my "list" for now and I'll get more into my scumreads later on

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June 06 2017 03:09 GMT

#1062

with post removed I mean my laptop battery died btw, lol

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June 06 2017 03:10 GMT

#1063

On June 06 2017 12:01 Grackaroni wrote:
But Ritoky did something hypocritical so there's 100% chance of a shit fight this cycle.

First he came for the Tumblewood and I didn't care because I'm not the Tumblewood.

Then he came for the Lightningstrike and I didn't care because I'm not the Lightningstrike.

But then he came for me. This time it's personal.

So you're here for self-preservation only? Or am I reading this wrong.

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June 06 2017 03:13 GMT

#1065

Ok that's very scummy

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June 06 2017 03:14 GMT

#1066

or is the "yes" a response to me "am I reading this wrong", if so, explain please

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June 06 2017 04:32 GMT

#1092

yea so based on my reads I'm not buying this claim

but I want to hear from HF + see if someone CC's (unless if grack is right on him being VT, I really suck at judging these sandbag things you guys do here rofl, where I usually play lie=die)

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June 06 2017 04:52 GMT

#1098

On June 06 2017 13:35 ritoky wrote:

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why are you inclined to not buy it without a cc?

I'm saying if this is vivax vs HF then I'm on vivax being scum probably,based on my reads

I also say I'm waiting for HF's response + a possible CC

so I'm not deciding before then. just giving my initial response. like when a scumread of yours claims a redcheck on a lean townread of yours, your first response would be to be skeptical about the claim right? or maybe you'd wait for a CC idk. in this game people are playing weird with CC'ing / fake claiming as town / etc. so I'll wait and see

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June 06 2017 14:26 GMT

#1150

Holyflare do you think vivax is mafia, cop or fake claiming town?

If I had to lynch now it'd be vivax I think - but isn't it better to Wait for vivax to come into, and if he confirms its not a fake claim, Wait till someone CC's him? Or do you guys think there is no cop? I mean if hes mafia or fake claiming there is a cop right now thinking considering when to claim.... idk why people ignore that?

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June 06 2017 15:01 GMT

#1152

Ok I vote btdt for now and want to see if vivax retracts / if someone CC's before I vote between vivax-HF.

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June 06 2017 15:11 GMT

#1154

If I were to vote it'd be vivax, but I feel bad to potentially lynch a uncounterclaimed doc without seeing how it unfolds? That would be reckless. Because if we kill him and he Flips VT, or he Flips cop but he faked the check on you we're on a terrible spot because we'd have to lynch you as well.