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On June 04 2017 09:13 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2017 08:57 ritoky wrote:On June 04 2017 08:51 Conversion wrote: I agree with PB above in btdt-- the first non newbie game I played a lot of vets gave me a lot of shit for making my excuses lack of presence by playing the newbie card. I think it's okay if you are a bad player or a newbie, but I think it's worse for the town environment by throwing your arms up and saying you're a bad player instead of trying to be the best town player you can ability wise i am fine with players being new or bad, i actually tend to read new or bad players relatively well. what i want more of from you is what you think and why. it doesn't have to be big elaborate posts or well constructed thoughts, i just need a window into your brain so i can try to read you. when you type things like "i am glad x and y are reading me town"; normally that would indicate to me that you're more concerned with your image in the thread and how others are perceiving you than you are about finding mafia. and maybe that is the case, i don't have a good enough feel for you yet. but i want less posts like that and more posts like "i think this guy is this alignment cuz x." even if x is 1 sentence or 1 quoted post or some vague feeling in your kidney. if you don't post your train of thoughts in the thread i can never follow you, it will just come off like scattered thoughts or large leaps in logic that are disconnected Understood! To summarize what I think: I think tubesocks is mafia. His contributions has so far been him trying to look like he is contributing. I believe he actually asked someone for their opinions on their reads without giving any of his own. I think Vivax and Grack are town. No real evidence, but I kept up with Generic II and they both just feel town to me right now with the way they're playing. Fidei might be scum, but I'm not sure. I find it really suspicious he's not giving me a benefit of the doubt and looking to push me as scum with one post on my end. Not saying I deserve a free town pass because I suck and I'm a newbie, but my experience in 2012 showed me that most experienced players ignored me as just that: a newbie until it became important for me to step up and contribute. PB is a neutral for me because the one game I saw him play here, I thought he was town in Generic II, and he's playing rather similarly. I want to say he's town right now. I have no idea how to read Tumble's aggression and BH's posts honestly. Those are probably the people I have the biggest opinions on. So Tubesock is his scumread. He doesn't care about him later on though. Vivax and Grack are town. He doesn't care about Vivax being town later on though.
Fidei "might be scum but I'm not sure", so he busses a bit but not really?
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On June 05 2017 09:02 kitaman27 wrote: Day One Final Vote Count
Fidei86 (6): Onegu, Tumblewood, Tubesock, Tumblewood, Grackaroni, LightningStrike, Holyflare Tumblewood (2): Holyflare, Fidei86, Holyflare, ritoky, beentheredonethat, Tubesock, LightningStrike, Vivax Prison Break (2): Conversion, Tumblewood, Grackaroni, Vivax beentheredonethat (1): Prison Break, ritoky, Tubesock Vivax (1): Blazinghand, Holyflare, Tubesock, Blazinghand LightningStrike (1): Tumblewood, Holyflare, ritoky Blazinghand (0): Grackaroni, Tubesock, Vivax, Vivax Grackaroni (0): Blazinghand Holyflare (0): LightningStrike, Vivax, Tumblewood, LightningStrike Conversion (0): beentheredonethat
Fidei86 will be lynched.
I think we can assume LightningStrike is town here. Ritoky is like "I do my thing you faggots and I'm not gonna bus here" and I think it's not likely that he voted his teammate there.
That leaves not many people outside of the Fidei train: me, Conversion, Prison Break. I am town and I do know this, can't say the same about Conversion and Prison Break.
PB was kinda mad at me for scumreading him and continues to tunnel heavily on me, his vote makes sense. Conversion's vote does not exactly make sense because it should be on Tubesock, right?
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Like, Tubesock is #2 to vote Fidei. Or #3, too lazy to compare the actual timestamps now. So he's one of the firestarters. Grack and LS are the once wielding the hammer(s), so I don't really see them being scum here. I thought that there's a scummer on this wagon thus far and I thought it's Holyflare OR Tumblewood. It just makes super sense: Tumble being #3, so not hammering, yet bussing for towncred. Also, he claimed fucking doc so he didn't really have another choice at that point. HF was too late on the wagon to make an impact, so either town consolidation vote - or reluctant scum.
That's why I was super happy in lynching TW (also because I thought he'd flip red but that's totally gut-based, exactly the same with Vivax, jsut the other way round). So of course I lynch HF, because not both scummers are voting outside of fidei, right, right?! but then this ritoky shit happens, okay, cool, one scummer down, so apparently BOTH scummers are outside of Fidei wagon.
And ironically enough, I think it's not PB, I think it's conversion (but of course others think it's me, I also voted outside the wagon)
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On June 11 2017 19:41 Tubesock wrote:*Turns out you can't post a post greater than 100,000 characters. Pt 1 of 3ish. Over the next 96 hours or so I'm going to be compiling what I can of the non-confirmed people. I think the rest will be much less detailed, this took way too long to get all the quotes in. I'll be doing about 1 per real life day for the day after ritoky's lynch. beentheredonethat The "towny" things that btdt has done is basically showed emotional rage and threatening to quit, and staying in a tunnel on basically 1 person all game. Neither make him town. I think his rage bit is set up and fake. He nitpicks Conversion for typing "b/c" and HF rightfully calls it ridiculous. Then btdt antagonizes a bit more (scumflare), and claims that people are calling him dumb/bad. When it wasn't till much much later. 400 or so posts later Onegu says he read the dumbest thing ever on TL Mafia and that was the "b/c" scumread. But btdt was already working himself up. His flip flop on Ritoky really looks like a partner who is mad that they got some suspicion. I'm still looking for actual reasons why he scumread Ritoky early on. It looks solely OMGUS and it's weak too. Seeing how btdt was a "cop check" it's so easy to see this world where they did this on purpose too. Ritoky could drop talking about btdt and later explain it, and btdt could just remain focused on killing the newbies. His scumread depth extends as deep as OMGUS and nitpicking. Oh, and Prison Break is "calm". Which is funny since he's playing the out of control emotion card so hard. btdt I don't think you're bad at all. I'd say you're better player than I am, but this game you have pretty good chances of flipping mafia. btdt's votes: Day 1 = Conversion, Tumblewood(sheeped Ritoky he says page 3, 7th post) Day 2 = Holyflare, Prison Break Day 3 = TumblewoodHis sheep of Ritoky makes no sense at all. Ritoky is town because Rit told btdt to talk about someone other than btdt or Conversion? That's enough to sheep someone for? What? Anyway, it's late. The rest is basically a rundown of btdt's filter for easier access to fact check. I will do a couple others in the coming days but likely a more truncated version of this one. I think btdt has good odds of flipping scum. I will check the others first though. Day 1Page 1 (Not all post) + Show Spoiler [towns TW&TS; defends Grack] +On June 03 2017 23:21 beentheredonethat wrote:Tumblewood missing Tubesock's joke in disformation fashion, full frontal. I rate that as a towny thing. The joke itself is kinda NAI, too, but then again, why would scum start to push ahead a game when they can just rely on a lackluster game start with the EU people still asleep? I feel like Tubesock is town here, too. Show nested quote +On June 03 2017 10:42 Prison Break wrote: RNG votes are cool, an RNG lynch seems horrible, doesn't give any information and turns the game into auto + there's no way to actually check if it's random and you don't know if the person determining the "random" factor is town or scum either This post feels super weird. First of all, you're here as a newbie, you're not supposed to judge if something's "cool" or not, right? The content of your post is supercorrect yet super obvious, so you do not add any value at all to the discussion. Show nested quote +On June 03 2017 16:15 Vivax wrote: Early reads:
Tube town for pushing game forward and being proactive. TW town for lashing out at something he didn't like and avoiding his scum play lazy buddying. It looked overly emotional to me but he claims it wasn't.
Grack scum for being lazy, passive and kind of just reacting to things around him without attempting to reach a satisfactory conclusion or looking like he wanted to. Neither shitpost-y grack nor tryhard-y grack. Just bore-y grack.
Rest null. I do agree with this post. Except I wouldn't put Grack on the scum pile yet because in Generic II, he played like this all game and was town. Show nested quote +On June 03 2017 21:31 Conversion wrote: Hi all!
I'm here-- generally a hectic weekend personally so apologies that I was late! That's all fine and dandy but if you've been here for about an hour, why aren't you posting? + Show Spoiler [PB is wordy] +On June 03 2017 23:25 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2017 21:32 Prison Break wrote: Fidei86 calls too many people out for lurking extremely early game, unless if he's just trying to move the game forward in which case it's not a scumtell
Tumblewoods initial response seemed forced, but the way he got to a townread after it is something I see town do when they realize a push is bad, or scum when they fear people will be onto them. But if tumblewood was scum wouldn't he realize his push was thin to say the least? Like I don't see how he has scum would make such a push just to retract it after, I don't think there was enough pressure on him to already back off from it. Based on this I conclude his change of mind was genuine not calculated, so leaning town on tumblewood despite me not liking his post initially. At least he's also trying to move the game forward which is worth something.
going to throw this out here cause I may be able to get something out of it, and it may help me make reads on people as well: what are some ways to go about catching scum, especially early game? I don't expect/want people to make an entire list because mafia will adapt, but I think a few examples or short answers will help the game move forward. I'll start off, in my experience who I think are "extremely scummy" often end up being town, and the extremely active/inactives as well (although this one isn't a golden rule), and often the people I nullread end up being scum. I think this is because scum wants to blend in and doesn't try to play as townie or as scummy as possible but somewhere in the safe middle. I think last game that would be true for myself as well. This is weird, again. First thing: Hard statement. "Fidei86 calls too many people out for lurking". Second thing: feels a bit wishy-washy but it also makes sense - then again, it's a lenghty version of "I don't think scum would do that so he must be town". Third thing: super irrelevant things. This is not a discussion about "how to play mafia". This is an actual game of mafia. PB is making a lot of words about not very much. + Show Spoiler [4 nonreads] +On June 03 2017 23:26 beentheredonethat wrote: I'll check this thread every now and then for the next 4-8 hours but don't expect too much On June 03 2017 23:56 beentheredonethat wrote: My motive is that I want to point out things I find to be weird. My problem is that I cannot judge right now if the things I find weird are scum or town indicative. Having read your posts in Generic II, I think it's rather easy to put you on the scum pile. On June 03 2017 23:56 beentheredonethat wrote: I'm really interested in finding out what others think about the points I mentioned. On June 04 2017 07:28 beentheredonethat wrote: shame on everyone who scumreads me D1. Everyone should know by now that I'm simply bad at this game. On June 04 2017 07:29 beentheredonethat wrote: no I haven't read the last 3-4 pages in a serious manner
yes I'm going to bed now
no I'm not scum + Show Spoiler [Towns LS] +On June 04 2017 23:03 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2017 00:13 Holyflare wrote: I don't think pb's posts are anywhere near the same and he's asking for help how to play. Your post is way too over the mark. Hm okay. I like that point of view because you've been scum with him in generic II, so you're quite capable of judging it imho. I rate the "LS votes HF" thing townish for LS. ritoky is super investing into the HF filter quoted by LS which is a super town tell IMHO, I wouldn't put in that effort if I was scum. But I do know I'm lazy so.. meh, maybe ritoky isn't. But that plus the fact that ritoky fearlessly pushes around people (me), keeps on adding value etc, he's on the town pile. Towns but doesn't town Ritoky + Show Spoiler [Not "pushing" Conversion] +On June 04 2017 23:08 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2017 03:32 Conversion wrote:On June 03 2017 21:31 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 03 2017 21:31 Conversion wrote: Hi all!
I'm here-- generally a hectic weekend personally so apologies that I was late! That's all fine and dandy but if you've been here for about an hour, why aren't you posting? I'm actually working today and was going to catch up later in the day, hence I said that generally it's a hectic weekend. Also, I understand that your timezone doesn't match up with the start of the game, but what are you going to get by pushing me, who is not experienced at all at Mafia, and making me post more? What about the other half of the thread that isn't making any sort of post that you can push for more information as well? It feels counterproductive to me (although I can see the flip side of the argument of letting me lurk lets me fly under the radar if I am scum by playing the newbie card, but I would assume veteran players can pressure me into slipping later on in the game if I were) For me it seems like unnecessary posting just clutters up a lot of the points or distractions, being made here, and I'd rather spend a good chunk of the small amount of time I do have in my current situations understanding how Mafia games generally go and understanding when to push for points or make good posts. TL;DR real life things outside of my control has coincided with the start time of this game-- does not mean I am trying to be inactive to fly under the radar and lurk. Well I'm not exactly pushing you. It's more like it feels weird that you say "hey, I'm here" and then you leave again. That's just not helping. If you feel like helping, then at least make people ask you questions. "What do you think about the exchange of HF/TW?" "What do is your stance on Vivax?" this is something that helps making yourself more readable. You didn't especially invite people to ask those questions, on the contrary. You're saying "hey guys I'm somewhat playing" so everyone expects you to do things; except you're not doing things so boom, people even start scumreading you. "What about the others in here" is also not the greatest of things to say. There's no real reason for me to look into anyone right now as I didn't find too much that caught my attention as "super suspicious" (except for the PB thing, ofc), but somehow your "hi bras" post caught my attention. So, no, it's not "clutter" or "unproductive". On the contrary - my slight poke triggered a big "oh noes" post which contains a lot of speculation and "do not look at me". I'm totally fine with people looking into me. I'm town, after all, and I got nothing to hide, I don't have any restrictions in who I'm pushing etc. + Show Spoiler [ID Irony PB wishywashy] +On June 04 2017 23:17 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2017 03:53 ritoky wrote: the person i think is most mafia right now is probably BTDT. i think his reads are cheap and hollow.
he defends TW for missing a joke "full frontal" (w/e the shit that means); when from my experience lacking a sense of humor is more mafia indicative than town.
he defends grack from vivax because of last game? he doesn't disagree with vivax that what grack is doing isn't more scum indicative, he just says "don't call him mafia cuz he said terrible things last game too". read as mafia trying to pocket/protect weak town a bit.
he prods the new player, which is easy for anyone to do.
he calls out PB for sounding wishy-washy....but that makes no sense to me. he has a read on TW and grack from previous games, but not on PB. in the previous game PB was incredibly definitive and made tons of sense pretty much all game long. in this game PB sounds more unsure and makes less sense. it makes me think PB is more likely town, so why does PB sounding dissimilar to last game make him think PB is the same alignment as last game?
dunno....pretty much don't like anything of what he has posted. "Lacking a sense of humor" and "not identifying the irony" are completely different things. The first thing is the absence of the capability to laugh about something. Like "Hey, wow, I don't think it's funny that you make an ironic statement about the number of posts in this game". The second thing is "What the fuck are you talking about? There haven't been many posts in this game, why do you say there were many posts in this game?!" The second thing is exactly what happened. TW missed the irony. He simply "didn't get it". He did not find it "not humourous", he missed the joke. That is NAI at best. If you have your judgment there from "experience", then please point me to some games where you have made those experiences in. You've shown already you're willing to dig filters from other games, so go ahead. Yes, I have defended Grack and your interpretation of that is entirely possible. Not much to say against that. But it's of course possible that you interpret it that way because you want to scumread me. It's also entirely possible that I simply said this to make Vivax aware of something - especially since Grack was in LYLO in generic II and half the obs QT was sure he was scum. So much to that . What does "prods the new player" mean? As you might've realized, I'm not a native speaker. PBs reads at that point are wishy-washy, ritoky, and if you call that a solid read, then you're misrepresenting things. If there are more questions towards me coming from that case, feel free to ask, I'm here. + Show Spoiler [Rit pissed cause bad, BH RNG fishy] +On June 04 2017 23:18 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2017 03:56 ritoky wrote: also the "i am calling things weird, but not alignment indicative......YET!" post pisses me off. your whole case feels like you're pissed off over me being bad instead of having solid reasons for me being scum. Take a step back and reconsider? On June 04 2017 23:20 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2017 04:55 Blazinghand wrote:On June 04 2017 04:50 LightningStrike wrote: I wonder where Vivax is because I figured he be around atm :\ Clearly my RNG was, as always, 100% correct here i'll prove it ##Vote Vivax This is super fishy + Show Spoiler [<3 TS & Grack? Weird Conv Post] +On June 04 2017 23:26 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2017 06:41 Tubesock wrote:On June 04 2017 06:35 Grackaroni wrote: I'm about to go to dinner but I can go into a bit of detail later tonight.
People I'm liking: Ritoky Prison Break LightningStrike Conversion. (This one will seem weird. But I liked the tone of his post)
People I'm disliking:
Btdt Blazinghand (from experience with Blazinghand)
The rest haven't interested me too much. And I think there's been way too much focus on what happened between Tubesock and Tumblewood when neither of their posts were too interesting to me. What don't you like about btdt? Show nested quote +On June 04 2017 22:26 Grackaroni wrote:On June 03 2017 23:21 beentheredonethat wrote:Tumblewood missing Tubesock's joke in disformation fashion, full frontal. I rate that as a towny thing. The joke itself is kinda NAI, too, but then again, why would scum start to push ahead a game when they can just rely on a lackluster game start with the EU people still asleep? I feel like Tubesock is town here, too. On June 03 2017 10:42 Prison Break wrote: RNG votes are cool, an RNG lynch seems horrible, doesn't give any information and turns the game into auto + there's no way to actually check if it's random and you don't know if the person determining the "random" factor is town or scum either This post feels super weird. First of all, you're here as a newbie, you're not supposed to judge if something's "cool" or not, right? The content of your post is supercorrect yet super obvious, so you do not add any value at all to the discussion. On June 03 2017 16:15 Vivax wrote: Early reads:
Tube town for pushing game forward and being proactive. TW town for lashing out at something he didn't like and avoiding his scum play lazy buddying. It looked overly emotional to me but he claims it wasn't.
Grack scum for being lazy, passive and kind of just reacting to things around him without attempting to reach a satisfactory conclusion or looking like he wanted to. Neither shitpost-y grack nor tryhard-y grack. Just bore-y grack.
Rest null. I do agree with this post. Except I wouldn't put Grack on the scum pile yet because in Generic II, he played like this all game and was town. On June 03 2017 21:31 Conversion wrote: Hi all!
I'm here-- generally a hectic weekend personally so apologies that I was late! That's all fine and dandy but if you've been here for about an hour, why aren't you posting? In the second line he tags one of the most generic posts possible as "super weird" I also didn't like that he goes out of his way to quote Vivax to say that he agrees with something that he had just said at the top of his post. Nagging someone to contribute at the end adds to the perception that he's trying to fluff up contributions. Plus I generally find pestering people to post annoying. Also he called me a baddie.It actually wasn't as bad of a post as I thought though because his whole schtick in the next post is that PB is making fluff posts, which is a fair argument. That may be what he meant by super weird in the second line. <3 On a more serious note though, I like your thought process quite a lot. It feels genuine. On June 04 2017 23:29 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2017 08:38 Conversion wrote:On June 04 2017 06:30 Fidei86 wrote: @ritoky I talked myself around on this a bit. Literally every game I've played with LS he's been inactive, with bad meta reads and links to filters. And every time he has been town. BH makes a good point that you have to try and work out if something is scummy for the person in question, and for LS the stuff that HF pinged out is null. LS' OMGUS drive against HF actually makes me think LS might be town - by reason of the fact that I don't know if LS as Mafia starts pushing HF based purely on OMGUS, who I presume is one of the most experienced players in the game.
HF - his reads are thin and I think his LS read is wrong in particular. He has also kept pushing the TW read long after everyone else had sort of agreed and moved on. I think he probably is at a wedding tho, so his style makes sense in that context. I think it's a null-leaning slightly scummy read, but I definitely wouldn't lynch into him at the moment.
Apart from the actual AFKers, the two people I'm most on at the moment are TW and Conversation, but for different reasons. We've all pinged out his weird read progression on TS earlier, but then when he finally comes back he comes in and gives two lazy-ass reads on me and ritoky (and yes, I know D1 association reads are garbage, but if one of those flips red later the other could be with them). And Conversation thread enters, leaves for almost a day, then comes back in and posts a huge WoT which basically just says nothing about the game at all. It basically flashes "I'm here and I don't care about the game", which is scumtell 101. In a way it's almost too flagrant, but I'm definitely not willing to give the benefit of the doubt at this stage. Can you explain how I am showing disinterest in the game? I meant to say that the general lack of posting and effort is due to personal reasons, and understood that from a mechanical POV that it could be scummy. I don't understand where the translation suddenly became "I don't care about this game." when I've been actually reading the thread carefully. I'd like an explanation so I can understand your scumtell 101 derived from my post. One more super weird post that doesn't really add much. I might get tunneled and be over-"whatthefucked" by a newbie. But what if not? Page 2+ Show Spoiler [whoaX3 Conv is wordy, "whatthehe…] +On June 04 2017 23:32 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2017 08:38 Conversion wrote:On June 04 2017 07:28 beentheredonethat wrote: shame on everyone who scumreads me D1. Everyone should know by now that I'm simply bad at this game. Could you expand upon your read of why I make you feel weird about my alignment? I'd appreciate some effort into why you think my posts are scummy so I can understand how you think instead of what you and Fidei are doing, which is calling me weird or "scumtell 101" without actually expanding upon it. It feels rather off to me that people would let inactives pass, but rather unconstructed arguments based on feelings (you) can pass as constructive posts. "I'd appreciate some effort into why you think my posts are scummy so I can understand" whoawhoawhoa, so many words for not really much. What is hard to understand about "hey, you said you're here but you didn't do anything, so why say that you're here in the first place"? On June 04 2017 23:33 beentheredonethat wrote: My "whattheheck" feeling about Conversion keeps growing and growing + Show Spoiler [nitpicks phone vs pc posting] +On June 04 2017 23:35 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2017 08:43 Conversion wrote: Aside from having sort of suspicious feelings on how quickly btdt is basing his reads on feelings (he's sleeping now iirc so I can wait on that) and then not explaining his case by citing he's a bad player, I think I'd have to read more when I'm not at a phone to make better reads.
I'd also like to give Fidei the benefit of the doubt b/c I was cited in the past as acting pretty scummy here when I was floundering about from inactivity and lack of confidence. I would rather have on the board some confidence and a deconstruction of my post from Fidei to support your scumtell so you can push it harder to let me argue and refine your read on me. 1. You're on a phone 2. You're typing super long sentences with correct spelling and punctuation. 3. You go out of your way to even type "b/c" which on mobile should be harder to type then "because" You're either overly dedicated to correct spelling, punctuation, wording and what not - or you weren't typing from mobile and you're making excuses. + Show Spoiler +On June 04 2017 23:37 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2017 08:46 Conversion wrote:On June 04 2017 08:42 ritoky wrote:On June 04 2017 08:38 Conversion wrote:On June 04 2017 07:28 beentheredonethat wrote: shame on everyone who scumreads me D1. Everyone should know by now that I'm simply bad at this game. Could you expand upon your read of why I make you feel weird about my alignment? I'd appreciate some effort into why you think my posts are scummy so I can understand how you think instead of what you and Fidei are doing, which is calling me weird or "scumtell 101" without actually expanding upon it. It feels rather off to me that people would let inactives pass, but rather unconstructed arguments based on feelings (you) can pass as constructive posts. don't worry about them. tell me who you think is town or mafia. re: post above I'm glad that both Vivax and Grack read me slightly as town, but I think I want to read more into their interaction and presence on the board before making definite assessments. I think Tubesock is pretty dodgy-- he opened up lightly with some jokey posting, but has no real good presence on the game right now. I'm surprised people are letting him fly under the radar when he's asking other people who they think are scum/what they're reads are but not really giving any information for himself Why do you mention the people that do townread you when you're asked the opposite thing? Why is Tubesock dodgy and why do you not scumread me although you said you'd almost do so in the posts just before? Asks Conversion why he answered with town reads, Why is Tube dodgy and btdt not scum for same thing? + Show Spoiler [HF U lazy bum; I'm bad 2017…] +On June 04 2017 23:38 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2017 23:36 Holyflare wrote: I don't think anything you're saying about him makes the slightest bit of sense. Sure, he's verbose ans trying to understand why you scum read him for being afk but why does that make him mafia?
I feel like you're dodging the tw thing, the fidei blatantly having a bull shit list thing and everything else to chase not looking scummy newbie guy. I'm reading up the pages I didn't read while I'm cooking. If you want to put me onto something, then quote it and ask me about it you lazy bum On June 04 2017 23:39 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2017 08:51 Conversion wrote: I agree with PB above in btdt-- the first non newbie game I played a lot of vets gave me a lot of shit for making my excuses lack of presence by playing the newbie card. I think it's okay if you are a bad player or a newbie, but I think it's worse for the town environment by throwing your arms up and saying you're a bad player instead of trying to be the best town player you can ability wise I'm not a vet I'm a bad player, I already got nomination for 2017's worst play Attacks HF first. HF just said his phone point was ridiculous. + Show Spoiler [lied typer; Rit town, 1gu town secret] +On June 04 2017 23:39 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2017 23:38 Holyflare wrote: I play 100% of the time on my phone nowadays. It's not that difficult to do, especially with autocorrect and swiftkey remembering my most used words. If he types b/c a lot then that would be easy to do.
Regardless you're trying to make an absolutely ridiculous point that he's lying about being on a phone but to what end does he need to do that? I already lied about phone posting when I was scum so why wouldn't he do it? I used it as an excuse to not post what I think in full lenght On June 04 2017 23:41 beentheredonethat wrote: stuck on page 11, cooking is done.
ritoky town hf dunno, can be both, if alive >D3, lynch with fire etc
I don't care about pretty much everyone else, can be lynched
except Onegu, for some super weird reason I think Onegu's town but I'm not gonna share this reason
+ Show Spoiler [not only here for shit, fine with dumb] +On June 04 2017 23:43 beentheredonethat wrote: ok. If you're interested in my opinion about something and not only here to give me some shit, feel free to ask me whatever you want. I'll read up pages 11-this once I've eaten.
On June 05 2017 01:32 beentheredonethat wrote:so everyone's fine with sitting back and calling me dumb ok let me know if there's something interesting at any point Except if you read starting from here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/522886-newbie-student-mafia-xxvi?page=17#333 no one called him dumb. The closest I guess would be HF saying his phone typing point was ridiculous. Onegu says he read the dumbest thing ever but not till post 712. + Show Spoiler [PB cheap &stupid; let happen] +On June 05 2017 01:35 beentheredonethat wrote: ahahah these wagons
mind my words: PB still voting me is so cheap and stupid. if he keeps coasting, hedging and overexplaining commonly known things, he should be lynched with fire
it's not like I care though since I am bad x) sooooo yeah On June 05 2017 01:35 beentheredonethat wrote: Being VT is so super boring -.- On June 05 2017 01:35 beentheredonethat wrote: so yeah I'll just sit here and let this game happen. maybe I'll get some free towncred from that because why not. + Show Spoiler [suck as town; Rit town] +On June 05 2017 04:06 beentheredonethat wrote:im super good as scum i super suck as town story of my life On June 05 2017 04:20 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2017 04:07 ritoky wrote:On June 05 2017 04:06 beentheredonethat wrote:im super good as scum i super suck as town story of my life cool, talk about people not named BTDT and conversion. go. you're town + Show Spoiler [HF towns bt? PB scum soft calm] +On June 05 2017 04:21 beentheredonethat wrote: HF doesn't think my tunnel is genuine but it doesn't seem to be enough for him to push me so I assume he's townreading me? On June 05 2017 04:22 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2017 04:20 Vivax wrote:On June 05 2017 04:13 Holyflare wrote:On June 05 2017 04:08 Vivax wrote:On June 04 2017 09:43 Prison Break wrote:On June 04 2017 09:06 Holyflare wrote: Lynch Tumblewood. Tumblewood: "I get the sense that we have a lot of townies running around and accusing other townies what if we lynched blazinghand I don't have a real reason he's scum but the rest of the game makes a lot more sense if he is" Holyflare, do you think Tumblewood is defending possible teammates here (aka someone who is getting pressure right now that he's trying to defuse)? I think Tumblewood make a bad push, but his response after realizing it was joking makes sense, including the "fuck". Town doesn't want to be wrong and frustration can lead to moments where you'd say "fuck". If he was mafia would there be a reason for him to say that? Not what to think on the push on blazinghand. I've seen town play like Blazinghand but not scum, so leaning town on him. That doesn't mean his "lie" on grack means anything - hell, Blazinghand reminds me of myself as town a bit and how I used to think, like I would catch people lying and push it, but I learned that catching a lie doesn't equal those players actually being scum. Although they could, but this seems like a silly thing to lie about. Like there's no value to be gained for Grack to say this if he knows he's going to get called out for it for because wrong. So I'd say he probably just forgot? So I'd say Blazinghand is town and Grack I have yet to decide.All things considered I see you vs tumblewood being possible town vs town. My townread on you is based on the fact I can at least understand your push on tumblewood (since I considered it as well), and your townread on me (I think scum could've used town paranoia of me being scum slipping through last game to push me, you defusing this immediately gives towncred), I also like how HF called BTDT's post bad. HF seems tryhard, I wonder if he as scum would be this tryhard esp after last game, so based on that I'm leaning his as town right now. Btw this post is bad. Assumption that Grack made that play as town and explain why it doesn't come from scum -> Then end up with no conclusion on Grack. Also lots of over-explaining. This post you quote is actually an amazingly good post that surmises why being caught out in a lie doesn't necessarily make someone scum and is in fact relating to Blazinghand's alignment and not Grack's like you purport it to. Yes he's basically saying he doesn't believe a word of what BH calls Grack scum for yet concludes that BH is town and Grack is null, with a lot of fluff on top. I'm super fine with lynching PB, this guy smells like scum. The overall tone of his post is so super soft, so not-pushy, so calm, so zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz really lynch pb + Show Spoiler [Unholy/scumFlare & lynch PB] +On June 05 2017 04:27 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2017 03:39 Holyflare wrote: Why not BTDT who scum reads exclusively newbies and refuses to talk about the rest of the people in the game? Whose current push is calling a guy a liar for phone posting because he did it once in a game. But the problem is he's been called out on it and the guy he's pushing looks towny. He pushed PB similarly and instantly dropped it because I said it was mediocre.
Weird patterns. Wait wait wait you misrepresenting Unholycandle. 1st scumreading exclusively newbies is one thing but the game is to be continued for some time, right? not sure why it should be bad if I coincidentally start with newbies 2nd "refusing to talk about the rest of the people in the game" wait what again what is this this is plain wrong 3rd yes that's my super push for me it makes perfect sense. whats wrong on calling out someone for something that I have done as scum before? holymoly should I not do this? should I rather shut up and like, say nothing? lurk? it's at least something people cast start working with you little nut 4th i didn't drop anything about PB im totes fine with lynching that guy you're misrepresenting me in 4 points that's just super bad scummycandle Show nested quote +On June 05 2017 03:48 Vivax wrote:On June 05 2017 03:39 Holyflare wrote: Why not BTDT who scum reads exclusively newbies and refuses to talk about the rest of the people in the game? Whose current push is calling a guy a liar for phone posting because he did it once in a game. But the problem is he's been called out on it and the guy he's pushing looks towny. He pushed PB similarly and instantly dropped it because I said it was mediocre.
Weird patterns. Cause btdt looked realistically frustrated at being scumread and somehow ended up with the attitude that he doesn't care about how he is perceived afterwards and adjusted his posting to a less effort style which makes sense when you are being scumread after posting high effort. I think that's a townie progression. See, scummycandle? it's actually possible to not scumread me for that but of course as scum pushing for a mislynch you need to paint me red. bah bah bah lynch pb/holyflare I think is a good move Hey Tube I have a better way to express your case: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/522886-newbie-student-mafia-xxvi?user=beentheredonethat
Because you're just putting up quotes can you please draw conclusions
Like, you post three big spoiler spoiler posts
You basically listed my filter
why? What's your conclusion? You say "I'm scum" and then put up quotes quotes quotes
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On June 11 2017 20:19 Holyflare wrote: Tomorrow you will have 5vs2
You should lynch not ritoky because tomorrow will be 100% dead discussion and tube, your biggest asset right now, will die.
Lynching someone else is the most productive thing you can do. It doesn't change how many mislynches you get. So the guy with 6 pages of filter is OF COURSE going to be the biggest asset because he of course is going to lead discussion tomorrow all day? Like is that what you're saying, HF?
Because it's wrong. Either auto me tomorrow so I don't need to deal with blatant idiotic scumreads anymore or auto ritoky because oh, whoops, almost forgot, he's scum and shouldn't be left alive?
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okay do you have an actual case outside of D1 or are you just trying to be cute
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On June 11 2017 23:00 Prison Break wrote:BTDT is scum and I had a good day 1? ahahashahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah ahahashahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah ahahashahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah ahahashahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah v ahahashahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah ahahashahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah ahahashahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah ahahashahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah ahahashahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
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On June 12 2017 03:05 Conversion wrote: okay do you have an actual case outside of D1 or are you just trying to be cute Yeah I had several
Like PB being scum, HF/Tumble being scum, I even had some hard townreads :O
but of course you can just continue implying that I'm "stale" in my reads, you can of course completely disregard the things I just put up because why not?
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for someone who's trying to base activity on lynch, it's kind of funny how trash your play is
I have 6 pages of filter and all of your quotes are from D1.. please build an actual case against me so I can shut your scummy ass down like everyone else did with your "Conversion must be scum bc correct grammar and I lied about being on a phone once so he must be too"
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On June 12 2017 03:05 Conversion wrote: okay do you have an actual case outside of D1 or are you just trying to be cute You have six pages of filter, you have done nothing all game and I don't even know your reads besides "btdt" is scum which, oh damn what a coincidence, is currently thread sentiment.
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On June 12 2017 03:07 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2017 03:05 Conversion wrote: okay do you have an actual case outside of D1 or are you just trying to be cute You have six pages of filter, you have done nothing all game and I don't even know your reads besides "btdt" is scum which, oh damn what a coincidence, is currently thread sentiment.
except you forget the entire D2 part where I said you're not scum
umm hello? oh sorry let me be nice to you so you don't pull your rage I QQ this game sucks everyone is a bully card
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On June 12 2017 03:06 Conversion wrote: for someone who's trying to base activity on lynch, it's kind of funny how trash your play is
I have 6 pages of filter and all of your quotes are from D1.. please build an actual case against me so I can shut your scummy ass down like everyone else did with your "Conversion must be scum bc correct grammar and I lied about being on a phone once so he must be too" This is complete bullshit. I am not trying to justify a lynch based on activity. I posted a "what if" post, just to make people aware, and then went on to look at things. I have not tried to lynch someone based on activity.
"Please build an actual case against me"? Bra, why so defensive? I'm skimming the thread, checking if I find something because once I flipped green, people will realize my thoughts are genuine. Why should I, a scummer, case you?
Why are you saying "look past D1", and then throw something at me that is from, oops, D1?
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it's to show how ironic your argument is, but I guess that flew over your head too
here I'll be nice and break it down for you:
find me a bunch of quotes in my 6 page, inactive, meager, useless post filter like you're saying, point out where I'm not trying to help town discussion and prove that I'm scum without quoting shit from only one day out of a 3 day 3 night length game.
then convince the other town to lynch me, push it as hard as you can with your tunneling shit play, and then I get lynched, flip town, and you lose the game
thanks
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On June 12 2017 03:07 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2017 03:07 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 12 2017 03:05 Conversion wrote: okay do you have an actual case outside of D1 or are you just trying to be cute You have six pages of filter, you have done nothing all game and I don't even know your reads besides "btdt" is scum which, oh damn what a coincidence, is currently thread sentiment. except you forget the entire D2 part where I said you're not scum umm hello? oh sorry let me be nice to you so you don't pull your rage I QQ this game sucks everyone is a bully card And how is D2 relevant because right now, you're scumreading me and that is all I am saying in the originally quoted post? You're super eager to lynch me so can you please have actual reasons and not just say what the thread is saying, because D2, OH WHAT A COINCIDENCE, also other people started townreading me?
Do you have actual opinions and reads that are your own?
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On June 12 2017 03:09 Conversion wrote: it's to show how ironic your argument is, but I guess that flew over your head too
here I'll be nice and break it down for you:
find me a bunch of quotes in my 6 page, inactive, meager, useless post filter like you're saying, point out where I'm not trying to help town discussion and prove that I'm scum without quoting shit from only one day out of a 3 day 3 night length game.
then convince the other town to lynch me, push it as hard as you can with your tunneling shit play, and then I get lynched, flip town, and you lose the game
thanks Why is mr. objective and "I spell everything correctly" suddenly so mad at me that he needs to call my play shit? I thought I'm scum, so you should be quite happy about my play being shit?
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have fun shitting up the thread by yourself
I'm going to do something else before you rage yourself out of the game again
bye~
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That's super cheap, Scumversion. Tell me instead why you didn't like Tumblewood's play D2.
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unless you're illiterate, go reread my filter
if you're too lazy to, have fun by yourself
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On June 11 2017 02:53 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2017 02:44 Holyflare wrote: Not Voting (3): Conversion, ritoky, Grackaroni
kind of pathetic guys? chill out dood was having some lunch on a nice saturday for once here also I'm not getting any new information that's making me want to switch my vote it's going on TW. if anyone thinks I'm wagoning I've been suspicious of TW since N2, so go read my filter if you want also PB I don't want a free pass as town, but my goal going into D3 was to make myself look as townie as possible, so I will continue to play like I have been and if you still think I'm scum then what can I do Like technically, you only said "I don't like his play" and you did neither explain why nor did you try to convince others. You were just sitting back and letting the doctor lynch pass because it was super convenient. Why are you overjustifying the vote?
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On June 12 2017 03:13 Conversion wrote: unless you're illiterate, go reread my filter
if you're too lazy to, have fun by yourself Oh oh
that's another ironic statement right right
because if I were illiterate, I wouldn't be able to play in the first place!
RIGHT RIGHT? DID I GET THE JOKE? RIGHT?
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