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Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
June 11 2017 11:37 GMT
#2741
I need to pass out. I'll wake up a couple hours prior to flip to ask any new questions I think up.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 11 2017 13:21 GMT
#2742
helloooo rest of the game
Conversion
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3308 Posts
June 11 2017 13:25 GMT
#2743
I just woke up.

I'm going to rewrite my big post because it was focused on you being mafia, but ritoky outed himself so.. will rewrite
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 11 2017 13:47 GMT
#2744
post it please
Conversion
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3308 Posts
June 11 2017 13:57 GMT
#2745
ok I took some parts out because it doesn't make sense with the events now, but:

So I’ll keep this early part of my post because it still keeps up the scenarios that were in my head.

TW ended up being doctor (sorry TW, I’ll apologize more post-game!! I’m still learning and this game has been weird af)

So that means either HF or ritoky is lying. Whoever lives through N3 honestly is scum. There can possibly be a play where mafia keeps HF/ritoky alive, but I think it’s more dangerous to them to do so rather than try mindgames after the TW death.

HF is lying:

If he’s lying, all my reads are out the window. I’d have to double check his interactions with a lot of people to determine who his scum mate is, but I think this is about an equal chance to ritoky lying. HF mentioned ritoky’s “crumbs” being bad, and it might be a possible last play to try and out the last blue, but IDK.

ritoky is lying:

HF’s and other people’s posts on ritoky’s crumb not being great made me think about them critically, and yeah I have to agree it doesn’t make sense. Grack is the only one that sort of makes sense, but to not check his strongest scum read in LS (which I quoted and pushed LS for…) seems a little weird.

So remaining players once HF dies, now that ritoky has outed himself:

Me
PB
LS
Tubesock
Grack
BTDT
ritoky

I know I’m town, and I think LS is town with the way he played towards the tail end of D3. I think his play is easily set up for a mislynch, although no one is 100% in my eyes yet. Tubesock with his big post on BTDT looks like he might setting up for a great push as town, so I want to put him in my town pile.

Which leaves people between Grack-BTDT-PB.

Grack/BTDT obviously the most suspicious because ritoky townread two of them. I read people as being scum when they were being sparse/inactive posters, so I’m hesitant to say Grack might be scum (bc that’s how we got Vivax/TW mislynches, context ignored)

BTDT’s play makes more sense as scum if ritoky is his scummate, so I’d have to filter dive him to make sure, or really just what Tubesock posted. I didn’t like his play D1, thought being emotional and QQing was a town read (as some of the others said) and moved on to analyze scum as not being either PB or BTDT as I thought that it was two townies arguing.

I think PB is town.

I think we could leave ritoky alive and try to lynch BTDT to see if he flips scum, or we could lynch ritoky ASAP to make the situation into a 4v1 and then afford a mislynch if BTDT is not scum for whatever reason.

I’m inclined to believe (now that I’m caught up) that ritoky + BTDT is the most likely from the play (I have no idea why ritoky outed himself because I would have pushed you very hard, and a lot of people would have looked at you funny if TW died and you didn’t die N3, but that’s beyond me)
Conversion
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3308 Posts
June 11 2017 13:58 GMT
#2746
also is it redundant to build a case on BTDT if tubesock already did? should I do it anyways?
Prison Break
Profile Joined April 2017
326 Posts
June 11 2017 14:00 GMT
#2747
BTDT is scum and I had a good day 1?
Prison Break
Profile Joined April 2017
326 Posts
June 11 2017 14:04 GMT
#2748
Really btdt getting "mad" at ritoky outing himself gives it away

Everyone is like "LOL" "WTF" etc. And he's like "ban him for throwing"
Conversion
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3308 Posts
June 11 2017 14:07 GMT
#2749
The reason why I think BTDT is mafia over PB (I can't read Grack and I will try my absolute hardest to do so if you so wish me to) is that PB explains his reads, explains his stances, explains his changes between his stances, tries to be in the discussion (even though he was pretty inactive, but he made big posts saying why that's not a scum tell) and generally tries to play the game

BTDT is still pulling his "wahh wahh QQ you guys are bullying me card" even until NIGHT 3. Which is like, dude play the game. As I mentioned before, I feel like the best way to make this game easy is to try hard and, as HF said, be transparent as you have nothing to hide if you're town.

Like if you're actually playing the game instead of raging every other string of posts you made, that would be helpful. I gave him the benefit of the doubt past D1, but at this point in the game how is this helping the town

like if HF asked me to make a big post and I called him a big bully for pressuring me and not anyone else, how does that give town more information? How does that help the town environment?

you've been actively fighting against it. even TW who I scum read way harder than you posted a lot in D3 and gave up towards the end once he saw the amount of votes on him, but he never raged until way later (to HF). He probably got pushed 100x harder than you did and you're still raging

beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
June 11 2017 17:26 GMT
#2750
On June 11 2017 23:04 Prison Break wrote:
Really btdt getting "mad" at ritoky outing himself gives it away

Everyone is like "LOL" "WTF" etc. And he's like "ban him for throwing"

You have valid points. I am mafia. You should lynch me.
"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
June 11 2017 17:28 GMT
#2751
damn you ritoky for screwing up our awesome mafia plan with your tilt! Now that we lynched the doctor, we would've lynched HF. We were so close! You even faked the green check on me.
"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
June 11 2017 17:32 GMT
#2752
It's probably Tubesock. He was super early on PB and gained a lot of towncred from this, at least from my point of view.
HF is blue, no questions asked, and probably dead already.

Please lynch me tomorrow so you can continue the game and not auto ritoky then on me and then after like 100+ hours try read these pages again.
"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
June 11 2017 17:36 GMT
#2753
LS, Grack, Tubesock, PB, Conversion, HF, ritoky, beentheredonethat.

N4: HF gonna be dead probably.

D5: LS, Grack, Tubesock, PB, Conversion, ritoky, beentheredonethat.

Then, me.

N5: Then one of LS/Grack/Tube/PB/Conversion.

D6 Mislynch 1 - 4 town, 1 scum.
N6 3 town 1 scum

Mislynch 2 game over.

okay, so you guys have two mislynches. If you were able to correctly read me, then even three. But you choose to make me scum because ritoky is scum.

ahhahahaha this is a mafia win, predicting it now.


"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
June 11 2017 17:39 GMT
#2754
Tubesock: 6 pages of filter
Lightningstrike: 13 (14 as town in Generic II)
Grackaroni: 11 (15 as town in Generic II)
Conversion: 6
Prison Break: 9 (6 as scum in Generic II)

Just based on activity, the lynches should be Tubesock and Conversion.


"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
June 11 2017 17:41 GMT
#2755
On June 04 2017 08:46 Conversion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2017 08:42 ritoky wrote:
On June 04 2017 08:38 Conversion wrote:
On June 04 2017 07:28 beentheredonethat wrote:
shame on everyone who scumreads me D1. Everyone should know by now that I'm simply bad at this game.


Could you expand upon your read of why I make you feel weird about my alignment?

I'd appreciate some effort into why you think my posts are scummy so I can understand how you think instead of what you and Fidei are doing, which is calling me weird or "scumtell 101" without actually expanding upon it. It feels rather off to me that people would let inactives pass, but rather unconstructed arguments based on feelings (you) can pass as constructive posts.


don't worry about them. tell me who you think is town or mafia.


re: post above

I'm glad that both Vivax and Grack read me slightly as town, but I think I want to read more into their interaction and presence on the board before making definite assessments.

I think Tubesock is pretty dodgy-- he opened up lightly with some jokey posting, but has no real good presence on the game right now. I'm surprised people are letting him fly under the radar when he's asking other people who they think are scum/what they're reads are but not really giving any information for himself

I think I stumbled over that post already D1
It's a scummy as fuck post
"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
June 11 2017 17:42 GMT
#2756
On June 12 2017 02:41 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2017 08:46 Conversion wrote:
On June 04 2017 08:42 ritoky wrote:
On June 04 2017 08:38 Conversion wrote:
On June 04 2017 07:28 beentheredonethat wrote:
shame on everyone who scumreads me D1. Everyone should know by now that I'm simply bad at this game.


Could you expand upon your read of why I make you feel weird about my alignment?

I'd appreciate some effort into why you think my posts are scummy so I can understand how you think instead of what you and Fidei are doing, which is calling me weird or "scumtell 101" without actually expanding upon it. It feels rather off to me that people would let inactives pass, but rather unconstructed arguments based on feelings (you) can pass as constructive posts.


don't worry about them. tell me who you think is town or mafia.


re: post above

I'm glad that both Vivax and Grack read me slightly as town, but I think I want to read more into their interaction and presence on the board before making definite assessments.

I think Tubesock is pretty dodgy-- he opened up lightly with some jokey posting, but has no real good presence on the game right now. I'm surprised people are letting him fly under the radar when he's asking other people who they think are scum/what they're reads are but not really giving any information for himself

I think I stumbled over that post already D1
It's a scummy as fuck post

For the record, 6-page-filter-Tubesock is still dodgy but apparently, Conversion doesn't care anymore.

but has no real good presence on the game right now. I'm surprised people are letting him fly under the radar

This is happening all game but Conversion somehow forgot about this?
"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
June 11 2017 17:43 GMT
#2757
On June 04 2017 08:48 Prison Break wrote:
Voted beentheredonethat

Didn't like his initial "response" to me + his follow-up.

"shame on everyone who scumreads me D1. Everyone should know by now that I'm simply bad at this game."

Excuse to not take responsibility for bad plays so people aren't allowed to scumread him based on "bad play"

also a lot of other excuses for no play

"I'll check this thread every now and then for the next 4-8 hours but don't expect too much"

"no I haven't read the last 3-4 pages in a serious manner

yes I'm going to bed now

no I'm not scum"

this is lazy play at best, but I could see it being scummy play as well. making a few pushes, laying low, mentioning it multiple times which could be overcompensating (afraid people will look into it? we're in the beginning stages of the game so I doubt this many excuses are needed)

saying he's not scum obviously isn't a solid defense either

also to clarify my stance on Fidei86, I think what he did could be scummy, and "moving the game forward" was a possible counterargument. But I'm not saying he's actually moving the game forward, it was something I was considering at the moment and wanted to give more time. Fidei86 instantly gave beentheredonethat towncreds (while multiple people were suspicious of it), which stands out, as well as beentheredonethat "attacking me" after I "attack" Fidei86. Possible scumteam?

My 2nd choice to vote right now would be Fidei86. I think both Fidei86 and beentheredonethat are good vote choices right now.

wow, re-reading D1 and INSTANTLY my feelings about PB are back. The bolded part reads exactly like "hey, lemme get towncred for scumreading my partner and also let's try to mislynch"

but thats just me tunneling right

"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
June 11 2017 17:44 GMT
#2758
On June 04 2017 08:48 Conversion wrote:
adding to prev post:

yet btdt and fidei are readily pressuring me either for explaining my situation, or calling me scummy by making conclusions from my post that I can't really see from rereading my post

oh shit I did something together with scum
"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
June 11 2017 17:45 GMT
#2759
So Conversion is interacting D1 and/or talking a lot about me, fidei, and ritoky

At the time this happens I am under pressure.

ritoky/fidei/conversion is quite possible
"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
June 11 2017 17:47 GMT
#2760
On June 04 2017 09:06 Holyflare wrote:
Lynch Tumblewood.

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"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
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