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On June 10 2017 08:58 Tumblewood wrote:
so this is what's really going on
if HF is town:
advantages of claiming:
*crickets*
disadvantages of claiming:
- effectively gives up any chance of shooting someone
Never gonna shoot someone if we lose a mislynch
- if i'm scum, forces the other blue to claim unnecessarily early, denying a potential cop check
Narrows down lynch list because they have 2 checks and would be one of the players I'm not sure about
- if i'm blue, allows scum to make a play and potentially lynch both of us
Your fault for being crap all game and doing nothing.
OR
if HF is mafia:
advantages of claiming:
- lynches one, potentially two blues
True dat
- forces the other blue to out themselves early
True dat.
disadvantages of claiming:
- dies earlier than he might have otherwise
Main reason why i would never do it. I like to carry 100% of my games.
pick one
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I don't even know why you're fighting. I am quite happy to be lynched. Lynch me and then lynch tw if that is the case though.
He made his bed by choosing to never question ritoky.
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I've been exceptionally open this entire game tbh, I have nothing to hide. My suspicion of tw is not a bad thing, it's just my natural paranoia being a pro.
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(everything HF says is in <<arrows>>. this is the best i could do with the formatting)
if HF is town:
advantages of claiming:
*crickets*
disadvantages of claiming:
- effectively gives up any chance of shooting someone
<<Never gonna shoot someone if we lose a mislynch>>
still a disadvantage to not have the option but whatever
- if i'm scum, forces the other blue to claim unnecessarily early, denying a potential cop check
<<Narrows down lynch list because they have 2 checks and would be one of the players I'm not sure about>>
presumably the cop is able to steer town away from a lynch they know is wrong, if necessary
- if i'm blue, allows scum to make a play and potentially lynch both of us
<<Your fault for being crap all game and doing nothing.>>
not a point, all you did was call me bad
if HF is mafia:
advantages of claiming:
- lynches one, potentially two blues
<<True dat>>
true dat
- forces the other blue to out themselves early
<<True dat.>>
true dat
disadvantages of claiming:
- dies earlier than he might have otherwise
<<Main reason why i would never do it. I like to carry 100% of my games.>>
are you telling me you'd never fakeclaim as scum? i haven't read all of your games but i am 90% sure you've done this as scum before
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On June 10 2017 09:05 Holyflare wrote:
I don't even know why you're fighting. I am quite happy to be lynched. Lynch me and then lynch tw if that is the case though.
He made his bed by choosing to never question ritoky.
what do you mean, i made my bed by choosing to never question ritoky? ritoky's actions are indicative of an actual cop reacting to checks and to the game around you. your actions are indicative of scum trying to set up a fakeclaim and mislynch a blue. and i'm not really in a position to attack anyone with 70% confidence, anyway.
plus everyone knows you're not actually asking them to lynch you
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On June 10 2017 09:38 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2017 09:05 Holyflare wrote:
I don't even know why you're fighting. I am quite happy to be lynched. Lynch me and then lynch tw if that is the case though.
He made his bed by choosing to never question ritoky. what do you mean, i made my bed by choosing to never question ritoky? ritoky's actions are indicative of an actual cop reacting to checks and to the game around you. your actions are indicative of scum trying to set up a fakeclaim and mislynch a blue. and i'm not really in a position to attack anyone with 70% confidence, anyway. plus everyone knows you're not actually asking them to lynch you
They're not though. Ritoky has btdt as a provisional town n1 due to him raging. He had ls and grack as scum and didn't check either one.
Every btdt interaction sinve that check is somewhat accusatory. I feel like he wouldn't necessarily have some of them in fact if he was a green check.
Regardless, even with that dubious interaction he still looks better than you, who has only just become interested in the game, who instead of trying to figure ANYTHING out have instead been trying to shovel aby kind of accusation my way.
Did you bother to question ritoky? Not once. Did I? You bet.
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Everyone.
Put your vote on me. No questions asked.
Lynch me. I will not fight back. I will find the last mafia for you. When I flip vigilante please lynch the ever flying fuck out of Tumblewood.
That is all. This is an actual request. Do not lynch Tumblewood, lynch me.
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##vote Holyflare
I will gladly help you start this wagon Tumblewood. My death will bring fiery vengeance upon you.
And very likely tubesock. People will sheep me after my death. There is no escape.
When I flip blue there is no coming back and saying "oh it must be ritoky now!" you have just admitted all his play makes sense from a cop perspective. Prepare to deal with my death wrath.
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You may strike me down but I am far more powerful in death than life. Far, far more powerful.
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On June 10 2017 09:00 Holyflare wrote:
I wanted a claim war. And here we are, mission successful.
forcing a claim war to happen earlier than necessary is never advantageous to town, and if someone's lying the claim war is always going to happen eventually
I think pb made an excellent point earlier. You've gone full bs suspicion throwing and no game solving. if i tried to really deliberate back and forth all day instead of figuring out the most likely scum and sticking to it, i would be digging my own grave. so instead i solved the game as well as i could as soon as all the information was out and am now focusing my efforts on killing the 90% scum instead of the 100% doctor.
Yoi saved me last night thinking I'm most likely to die but the instant i claimed i was mafia to you. It didn't make sense and it doesn't make sense. Ypu weren't even hesitant towards ritoky's claim despite the fact that there were inconsistencies (that I checked) in his scum reads to who he checked.
I'm pretty sure you're mafia.
i didn't think you were most likely to die last night -- i thought that was bh, who i was originally going to save -- but i fully expected to be roleblocked again, so i saved the person who i thought was most likely to die in circumstances that would lead scum to not roleblock me. that was you. i don't remember anymore why i thought the respect kill would be more likely to be wacky than the towniest-player kill, but that's what i went through.
and then you claim that i instantly scumread you, not hesitating to townread ritoky? this is the first post i made following the claims:
On June 09 2017 12:08 Tumblewood wrote:
ritoky is the scum 90% of the time i think, looking at the claims. just so much setup on hf's part that it's hard to see him fakeclaiming.
BUT
i'm guessing that in the world where hf is scum the other two must kind of be scrubs to not notice any sort of blue tell (pretty obvious as soon as he was skeptical of my claim and later when he said something about there only being one blue in the game), which then doesn't line up with ritoky being scum because ritoky is a good player. hmmmmmmmmm
not only do you see me scumreading ritoky initially, you might notice that i deliberate instead of attacking anyone. so your claims are provably false.
and i remember seeing a post saying that his scumreads lined up, which reinforced my read. can't find it in thread anymore though. maybe it was his crumbs or grack pointing out where ritoky said he only knew vivax wasn't cop, and i'm misremembering that. didn't even see your post pointing out inconsistencies in his reads though
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hf, if you die and flip cop i am 100% switching to making sure town lynches the right person in 2v1 lylo. i understand there's no chance we lynch ritoky before me in a claim war. fortunately i very much doubt it'll come to that
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No. There is no backing down. When I flip blue you have confirmed yourself as mafia by virtue of poe.
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I also didn't even see you make that post.
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On June 10 2017 09:59 Tumblewood wrote:
hf, if you die and flip cop i am 100% switching to making sure town lynches the right person in 2v1 lylo. i understand there's no chance we lynch ritoky before me in a claim war. fortunately i very much doubt it'll come to that
why would hf flip cop
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I haven't set up anything all game either. Your narrative is crap. There's 3 blues one of them claimed for no reason, the other claimed to make it a war and tje last one claimed because they couldn't answer a simple question about bh's meta.
Guess which one is mafia 
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I mean when you flip mafia and it's post game I'm just gonna be gloating that even un ccd my game theorising is top tier. It will be absolutely glorious. My day 1 was so so good.
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How did it feel to be unCCd but still called out? Scary? Were you worried?
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Here's the thing. You lynch me and I flip blue. You lynch TW and he flips mafia.
That gives us a million more lynches to kill tubesock.
Even if you miraculously end up doctor then ritoky dies and it's still another lynch where you kill tubesock.
I'm fine with every scenario that I die in because you die in all of them.
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You know what I very sorry HF about lashing out like that I just been in a terrible mood because of OGI reasons at the time. I calmed down now after playing some Pokemon TCGO and watching tv. Willing to help now:
On June 10 2017 06:01 Prison Break wrote:
LS how certain are you that I'm town?
95% unless you improved your scum game from last time which I don't think you could improve your scum game leaps and bound that much in 1 game.
Also yes I did insult you in my last game vs you HF but I was mainly insulting your law school more or less as scum trying to tilt you.
Anyways HF why you decided you need to die now instead of just lynching TW?
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Tubesock's actions today are beyond redeemable. He came to the thread after town reading me all game and pulled up bad meta to scum read me despite me explaining why I didn't shoot and then waited 20 minutes to ask a shit question and leave again.
His play style has been pop in and drop a post and leave again all game. Even if his content appeared good at the time the posts pb quotes the more I look at them the more empty they actually are.
He isn't concerned about figuring out the game while the two newbies are generally puzzled and exploring.
Ls rage quit but he's done thay exact phrasing before as town and also his meta is different to the scum ones i read where he throws out free town reads all game.
Grack/btdt are green checks but in the event ritoky is mafia you should still probably trust those checks. I looked into grack's meta and it's different to this game and btdt too.
The main reason tube was town read was fidei. But in the event tw is a rber then tube's play makes a lot more sense. He even admitted he went on fidei when everyone was ignoring onegu. Possible he didn't think it would gain traction. Tube is also one of the only people i didn't filter dive last night so it makes sense.
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