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fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
April 21 2017 19:38 GMT
#8
hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

/in
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
April 25 2017 17:08 GMT
#14
Hey Rayn I finally graduated, so I figured I had time to play again.
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 05 2017 16:19 GMT
#30
hypeeeee~
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 06 2017 06:29 GMT
#33
Now I'm really afraid of rolling scum :S
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 06 2017 16:14 GMT
#37
On May 07 2017 01:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2017 15:29 fuba wrote:
Now I'm really afraid of rolling scum :S

You shouldn't, me Palmar and Holyflare will fuck up and kill each other and you'll just cruise to victory.

Aaaaaand now I'm afraid of us all rolling town
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 07 2017 01:22 GMT
#39
That's my mafia dilemma. I just can't keep myself away, though.
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 07 2017 17:54 GMT
#41
I'd best come home tonight and find that one more person has signed up. The punishment for failure will be quite severe >: |
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 08 2017 06:43 GMT
#44
No one need be punished :D
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 08 2017 18:07 GMT
#51
/confirm
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 09 2017 21:15 GMT
#71
Secund.
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 09 2017 22:11 GMT
#78
Who scum?
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 09 2017 22:52 GMT
#80
I'm glad that's settled <3
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 09 2017 23:31 GMT
#88
On May 10 2017 08:06 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2017 06:40 Grackaroni wrote:
Which TL mafia player is most likely to break out of prison?


slam obviously XD.

Fuba tell me something interesting

The Titanic was the first ship to use the SOS signal.
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 10 2017 19:22 GMT
#232
Prison Break's stuff on sicklucker seems like the best "case" so far. Gonna vote him.
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 10 2017 19:25 GMT
#233
Aside from that I basically have a bunch of weak town reads that I'll keep to myself unless someone super-wants them.
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 10 2017 20:15 GMT
#269
On May 11 2017 05:13 Skynx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2017 04:22 fuba wrote:
Prison Break's stuff on sicklucker seems like the best "case" so far. Gonna vote him.

Show nested quote +
On May 11 2017 04:25 fuba wrote:
Aside from that I basically have a bunch of weak town reads that I'll keep to myself unless someone super-wants them.


This is quite bad. If he feels like elaborating on reads why not do it? You do not want to progress the game?
Super bad reasoning blaming rest of the eventualities bad to follow a simple reasoning to sheep a 2 post intro (no disrespect PB i like you ).

I don't feel like elaborating. My town reads will not progress the game.
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 11 2017 19:12 GMT
#547
Not sure who I want to vote for now. I'll assume what sl said is true based on the fact that no one contested what he said... I thought it was strange he kept his vote on grack while trying to get everyone to vote for HF or LS, but looks like he never dropped his grack scumread, so that's probably ok.
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 11 2017 19:13 GMT
#550
Is Prison Break around? I liked what he was saying earlier, but haven't heard his wisdom in so long
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 11 2017 19:15 GMT
#553
On May 12 2017 04:15 Tumblewood wrote:
I wanna lynch fuba hard
he has been absent almost all game (worth a shot d1 for that reason alone imo) and when here has not said anything except to sheep a bad case

you do you boo
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 11 2017 19:17 GMT
#556
Gonna decide who I'm voting first - townreads can come in the nighttime.
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 11 2017 19:19 GMT
#562
Also the case wasn't bad at the time. Was the best case in the thread imo.
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 11 2017 19:22 GMT
#566
On May 12 2017 04:20 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2017 04:19 fuba wrote:
Also the case wasn't bad at the time. Was the best case in the thread imo.

it was pretty bad, unless you have the point of view of someone who has never been on this site

Guess we're just gonna disagree :/
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 11 2017 19:25 GMT
#571
On May 12 2017 04:22 Prison Break wrote:
Quick look at the current votecount

The fact that there's not 1 big wagon means we've prob caught at least 1 or 2 scum, and scum is now trying to spread the votes between multiple people so that it's less obvious as to who it is

If 1 townie received 2-3 votes + heat, you'd expect scum to push it harder and it to form 1 big wagon on them, but right now that's not happening so we may be on the right track

Ooh, I like you.
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 11 2017 19:27 GMT
#574
On May 12 2017 04:23 LightningStrike wrote:
Is it bad I starting to think Palmar might be scum for sheer fact he not much of person who sheep's other people's cases on Day 1?

Did he sheep?
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 11 2017 19:41 GMT
#581
On May 12 2017 04:33 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2017 04:27 fuba wrote:
On May 12 2017 04:23 LightningStrike wrote:
Is it bad I starting to think Palmar might be scum for sheer fact he not much of person who sheep's other people's cases on Day 1?

Did he sheep?

He said he would which is still not normal on Day 1 in fact he claims his best day as town on finding scum is Day 1.

He did mention that he'd sheep you, but he's still voting grack. I don't think it indicates anything.
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 11 2017 20:06 GMT
#601
On May 12 2017 05:01 Tumblewood wrote:
rayn, grack, ls, probably prison break are all town. Palmar Hf vivax sl not worth lynching d1 for various reasons. anyone else I would at least consider today. but fuba promised to do stuff and didn't so I am sticking on him unless you try to go lynch like grack

Made no promises
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 11 2017 20:51 GMT
#669
I don't really want DF. Also don't want grack.

SL definitely out?
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 11 2017 21:00 GMT
#687
On May 12 2017 05:53 darthfoley wrote:
Also just for the record, tw's vote on me is real bad

Bad or scummy?
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 11 2017 22:10 GMT
#719
On May 12 2017 07:09 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2017 06:58 Holyflare wrote:
you're in the position with most info dude


I know. I will have time later to think about it. Right now I have to go to some senior toast thing celebrating surviving four years of college with only $25k in debt!

Congrats~
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 13 2017 06:12 GMT
#996
On May 13 2017 10:56 Tumblewood wrote:
ofc mafia will concede before night is over because of that case

lol
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 13 2017 14:13 GMT
#1040
On May 13 2017 15:22 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2017 15:12 fuba wrote:
On May 13 2017 10:56 Tumblewood wrote:
ofc mafia will concede before night is over because of that case

lol


1 day and 8 hours since your last post and this is all you have to say?

Yes. Had to sleep and work.

And there's really little necessary to say in my defense - it's very simple. I decided to not get entirely worked up like I usually do over D1. There's not enough information for me to come to a good enough conclusion to feel even moderately confident about a lynch. As I said earlier, I didn't feel like lynching either of the other two top wagons at the time, and there really wasn't an alternative for me. Guess I could have voted to no-lynch... buy why? I basically already was.

As for the "he was so excited to play" argument - that's true. But D1 and the back and forth nonsense between grack, rayn, and eventually HF reminded me what I hate about the early game. Not gonna waste my time analyzing a word-tornado when there is very little information that is going to convince me D1 to vote for any of those people.

I have maybe half an hour before I have to get to work, and it's unlikely I'll be back on again before about noon, tomorrow. If you're gonna vote me (which, despite what I've said, I don't really feel is unreasonable), I highly recommend not wasting the time discussing me again until I start posting more. Even if I am scum, there are two more and very little you can draw about them, I assume, from looking at my filter (both because I am actually not scum, and because I have said very little).

@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 13 2017 14:19 GMT
#1041
Does LS always ask suggestive questions about innocent/joke posts, or is it just repeatedly in this game?
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 13 2017 14:24 GMT
#1042
And TW is bugging me because he felt he needed a case that's bigger than my actual filter to get me lynched. Like, you could literally vote for me without saying anything at this point and it would be obvious why you were doing it. It's a need to over-explain that I'd associate with scum over town.
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 13 2017 14:27 GMT
#1044
On May 13 2017 17:31 sicklucker wrote:
Also im the doctor and mafia medic dodged obv

Who'd you save, and why'd you claim now?
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 13 2017 14:29 GMT
#1045
On May 13 2017 23:24 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2017 23:19 fuba wrote:
Does LS always ask suggestive questions about innocent/joke posts, or is it just repeatedly in this game?

I always do O_o You can check the database for my past games and see the truth there.

Not really a question for you to answer, but I'll assume it's true if no one else conflicts with it. There is a 0% chance I'm going to read any previous games during this one as per my not-getting-overwhelmed strategy.
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 13 2017 14:36 GMT
#1047
On May 13 2017 23:27 fuba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2017 17:31 sicklucker wrote:
Also im the doctor and mafia medic dodged obv

Who'd you save, and why'd you claim now?

He wasn't even under that much suspicion. Why claim doc with a roleblocker in the game when there was little/no threat of being lynched? I can't think of a scenario where this is a good idea except if you're scum, you know it's an all-vanilla game, and you know you can fakeclaim without being countered.
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 13 2017 14:37 GMT
#1048
On May 13 2017 23:32 Holyflare wrote:
Why did you vote sl when you said he wasn't mafia anymore and why didn't you join another wagon despite being around?

Explained already. My filter isn't that long, HF - I'm positive you can handle it.
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 13 2017 15:10 GMT
#1051
"...you voted sl right at the start of the game and then when you scum read *decreased essentially due to lack of interest* there were *two* other wagons at the time *that you didn't want to vote for and at least one of those happened to be right now but you had no way of knowing that, being town and all* so you *tried to find someone else to vote for but weren't at all more confident in anyone else being scum than the person you had your vote on.* You basically just *possibly failed at finding scum D1, though the verdict is still out on that one* while two town wagons *who you had no way of knowing were town* eventually fought it out."

That's correct. You've played enough with me to know how little impact I'm likely to have at the last minute, and how unsure I'm likely going to be on D1, so why would I waste my energy just to say "no! don't lynch DF" when #1) I don't actually know that he's town and #2) even if I did, what effect is it really gonna have? And as far as Damdred is concerned, I hadn't considered him enough to really form an opinion. Should I then voice that fact in the thread for no reason? There was little for me to say, I didn't have a better lynch, so I stuck with my original vote.
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 13 2017 15:11 GMT
#1052
On May 14 2017 00:07 Holyflare wrote:
The real lack of everything from everyone is great.

Thoughts on the sl claim for literally no reason?
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 13 2017 15:56 GMT
#1055
God dammit, now I see. I was going through filters and lack of quotes didn't clarify that.
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 13 2017 16:00 GMT
#1056
Sorry for all the double posts - but it's work time now. I'm not likely to be home tonight, but I'm bringing my portable charger so I can possibly play tonight before the drinking starts. Actually, the drinking might help...
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 13 2017 17:08 GMT
#1061
At work, but the timeline definitely matches up. It was grak and df in my mind when I posted that, and I didn't feel comfortable voting them. And I never completely stopped being suspicious of sl. It was more that sl was apparently not happening, so I was gonna look elsewhere. But I didn't find anyone better. Hence the question asking if sl could be on the table.

Townreads will come over lunch.
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 13 2017 17:14 GMT
#1064
On May 14 2017 02:03 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2017 01:52 Holyflare wrote:
On May 12 2017 04:12 fuba wrote:
Not sure who I want to vote for now. I'll assume what sl said is true based on the fact that no one contested what he said... I thought it was strange he kept his vote on grack while trying to get everyone to vote for HF or LS, but looks like he never dropped his grack scumread, so that's probably ok.


On May 12 2017 04:15 beentheredonethat wrote:
D1: Vote Count 3


Vivax (0) - Holyflare
raynpelikoneet (0) - Holyflare
fuba (0) - sicklucker
Holyflare (1) - raynpelikoneet, LightningStrike
Palmar (0) - Grackaroni, Grackaroni
Grackaroni (2) - Palmar, Vivax, sicklucker
sicklucker (2) - Prison Break, fuba
Vivax (0) - Grackaroni
darthfoley (1) - raynpelikoneet, Vivax
Tumblewood (0) - Holyflare
Damdred (1) - Grackaroni
Skynx (2) - darthfoley, Vivax

Not voting (4) - Damdred, Tumblewood, Skynx, Holyflare

Currently, Grackaroni is set to be lynched in (at Thursday, May 11 9:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)).

Voting is mandatory.

Report any errors in the vote count to the hosts via PM, kkthxbye



Timeline doesn't match up unfortunately. You would have lynched the guy you didn't scum read anymore (or so much in your words) over anyone else at that point.


Thing is you also stated that you "didn't want to lynch df or grack"

But the way things were going both df and grack would have been lynched because of your sl (who you didn't really scum read) vote.

So, no, it's not true your vote was as good as a no lynch. What's true is that you were perfectly clear letting your town reads (grack/df) die over your sl read.

Heck, df WAS going to die and you still afkd on sl?

So your argument is that I'm scum because normally I have absolute lunch power on d1, and I'm not living up to that?
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 13 2017 17:14 GMT
#1065
Lynch*
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 13 2017 17:19 GMT
#1068
Because the voting thread has been retroactively changed to reflect the earlier vote count mistake, maybe?
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 13 2017 17:28 GMT
#1071
Eh, your case is that I'm retarded, which could be true as scum or town. You think I couldn't bs something to get my vote onto anyone other than someone who, according to you, I had no scum readings on?
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 13 2017 20:07 GMT
#1105
On May 14 2017 05:04 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2017 00:11 fuba wrote:
On May 14 2017 00:07 Holyflare wrote:
The real lack of everything from everyone is great.

Thoughts on the sl claim for literally no reason?


it was a jooookeee I claimed doctor in my last 3 games =[

Should probably stop that.
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 13 2017 20:25 GMT
#1110
For my town reads yesterday, I had PB town cuz I liked what he was saying. I'm having trouble doing filters and stuff on my phone, but I'm pretty sure I had LS as town for some retrospectively silly reason like him checking the vote thread earliest. I don't have the capacity to decipher early-game shouting matches, so I tentatively just kept rayn, grack, and HF as "not voting for cuz I don't want to mislynch an active D1." I'd also place the three of them in my "not voting for on D1" group along with vivax and palmar because I generally don't know how to read them, and most of them can likely write circles around me.

From the top of my head I had few thoughts about skynx, damdred, or df. Iirc tw was in my town pile, but something moved him back to null - might have been palmar(?) Pointing out that he was kinda talking nonsense, but I'd have to go back and re-read to remember clearly. Still not a fan of him, but that might just be omgus.

I think I'm forgetting someone.
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 13 2017 20:27 GMT
#1111
Lol whoops, last person was sicklucker XD
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 13 2017 20:34 GMT
#1112
All you people who think you've found confirmed mafia have exponentially greater self confidence than I've ever been able to muster lol
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 13 2017 20:49 GMT
#1115
On May 14 2017 05:37 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2017 05:25 fuba wrote:
For my town reads yesterday, I had PB town cuz I liked what he was saying. I'm having trouble doing filters and stuff on my phone, but I'm pretty sure I had LS as town for some retrospectively silly reason like him checking the vote thread earliest. I don't have the capacity to decipher early-game shouting matches, so I tentatively just kept rayn, grack, and HF as "not voting for cuz I don't want to mislynch an active D1." I'd also place the three of them in my "not voting for on D1" group along with vivax and palmar because I generally don't know how to read them, and most of them can likely write circles around me.

From the top of my head I had few thoughts about skynx, damdred, or df. Iirc tw was in my town pile, but something moved him back to null - might have been palmar(?) Pointing out that he was kinda talking nonsense, but I'd have to go back and re-read to remember clearly. Still not a fan of him, but that might just be omgus.

I think I'm forgetting someone.


"few thoughts" on skynx, damdred, df? Like what?

Also get to the sl bit too.

Like i gave them little thought. Basically no thought about damdred, excluding the thought that his lunch came up quickly from nothing - made me uncomfortable to switch to him. Nothing about df until he started posting later on and I just got a feeling about his posts - guess they just felt sincere. And I just looked through skynx's filter and remember thinking that he sounded townie when talking with rayn about my posts.

And again, not much to say about sl. I thought what PB said was good, but no one contested the fact that sl would do the same thing as either alignment, so I went to look elsewhere. It was between grack and df, and at that time I didn't want either lynched. I had no alternative, so I stayed where I was. He could entirely be scum. Nothing said about him made him distinctly town.

You said before that I did the care who was lynched, and that's partially right. Of sl, grack, and df, at the time I was posting, I had less reason not to vote for sl. After that, I really had no horse in the race. I thought df sounded sincere, but I've been fooled before. And I didn't really have an opinion of damdred, and didn't have much time to form one, so I let it unfold without throwing a basically random vote into the mix.
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 13 2017 20:57 GMT
#1116
Honestly you seem to be forcing yourself to see everything I say/do as scummy. There's no way I've played so incredibly badly as either alignment that you think I'm lying about 100% of what I say.

There's two possibilities: total lurker, obliviously self-sabotaging, trumpian-fact-creator scum fuba, or town fuba who didn't have the game solved D1, and for once didn't pretend to have reads just to say he had reads.
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 13 2017 21:02 GMT
#1118
Not a single conflicting thing.
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 13 2017 21:11 GMT
#1122
Not talking to you anymore. It's clear you're at best half-listening. Gotta get back to work.
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 13 2017 21:37 GMT
#1134
On May 14 2017 02:19 fuba wrote:
Because the voting thread has been retroactively changed to reflect the earlier vote count mistake, maybe?

@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 13 2017 21:37 GMT
#1135
On May 14 2017 06:37 fuba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2017 02:19 fuba wrote:
Because the voting thread has been retroactively changed to reflect the earlier vote count mistake, maybe?


@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 13 2017 21:53 GMT
#1141
If whoever pointed out the vote count mistakes could clarify what the mistakes were, that'd be great. I'm at work and don't have time to go through everyone's filters to find it. I firmly believe I am right.

HF do you remember what the mistake was?
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 13 2017 23:35 GMT
#1167
On May 14 2017 06:53 Holyflare wrote:
Yes it was vivax's vote on df on the vote count AFTER YOUR POST.

If that is true, then I'm legit prescient lol
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 13 2017 23:46 GMT
#1171
On May 14 2017 08:38 Holyflare wrote:
Amazing how you can call a future vote count as your reasoning for actions before it. Truly amazing. Yet you couldn't vote a better wagon at all :p

Not only that, but I reference the future vote count before it even happens, in that quote you keep pulling out. Like, the situation doesn't make sense at all unless I legit think it's 2-grack, 2-df. Not as scum or town. Either way, if you're right, then I knew the vote count before it even happened.

My post you keep quoting makes it clear that this isn't something I made up after the fact.
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 14 2017 02:08 GMT
#1179
On May 12 2017 05:51 fuba wrote:
I don't really want DF. Also don't want grack.

SL definitely out?

Gonna have a hard time quoting much on my phone, but this is the post at which I declared I didn't want to vote df or grack. This falls after the vote count mistake, and before it was corrected.

And for the last time - I didn't find a great alternative to sl. That is basically the only reason my vote was still on him. That and the fact that nothing he had done made him town, so I wasn't worried about voting him. If he got lynched, I wasn't losing a town read.

And before you mention df vs damdred - I wasn't gonna throw myself into that mess over an "I think df sounds sincere." He was a tone-based town read, which i know holds little weight for most of you but is generally important to me. It wasn't going to convince, just distract.

This is the last post defending myself - next will hopefully contain scum reads (but it is unlikely that will come before about 12 hours have passed).
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 14 2017 02:11 GMT
#1180
On May 14 2017 09:25 Holyflare wrote:
Why the fuck am i lumped into 100% of people's scum lists.

JK, this is the last post. I don't think you're scum right now. Most of the time someone is crazy-tunneled on me they're town. (Crazy defining tunneled, not you :p)
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 14 2017 08:10 GMT
#1191
I am drunk and awake for the next maybe 60 minutes. AMA.
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 14 2017 08:35 GMT
#1194
I thought you were talking about me in the second paragraph. Was rayn working and drinking tonight, too?
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 14 2017 15:32 GMT
#1210
Huh, Vivax is mafia. That was really easy.
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 14 2017 15:35 GMT
#1211
Vivax is the one person in the thread who should have 100% been able to step in and validate what I was saying to HF. He is the one person who should 100% be able to step in and make it so that I don't have to spend the entire day defending myself against weird vote-correcting host shenanigans. And instead of doing that at any point whatsoever, he decides I'm scum for doing what he, as town, could and would 100% do on his own. Either he is letting HF and I argue with each other in confusion, or he hasn't even read anything we've been writing. Either way, he is scum.
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 14 2017 15:37 GMT
#1212
EBWOP: "And instead of doing that at any point whatsoever, he decides I'm scum for doing what he, as town, could and would 100% have prevented in the first place."
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 14 2017 15:51 GMT
#1214
On May 15 2017 00:43 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2017 00:35 fuba wrote:
Vivax is the one person in the thread who should have 100% been able to step in and validate what I was saying to HF. He is the one person who should 100% be able to step in and make it so that I don't have to spend the entire day defending myself against weird vote-correcting host shenanigans. And instead of doing that at any point whatsoever, he decides I'm scum for doing what he, as town, could and would 100% do on his own. Either he is letting HF and I argue with each other in confusion, or he hasn't even read anything we've been writing. Either way, he is scum.


youre lucky im phoneposting. what should i care what you have been discussing with hf when my argument has nothing to do with that? this looks just like you erecting a straw man. fact remains, previous to this post you havent been scumhunting. you have clung to calling sl scum and havent ree evaluatef openly for a lobg time after. then you spent an etwrnity of posts just talking about yourself. but that doäidnt drive the game forwaed at all. for otherw but especislly for yourself. when around drunk i was talking about rayn anf all that didnt even bother you cause you dont feellike you have something to say unless otherw attack you. if its your town game its very poor, so you have to be lynched.

I have not been lynched yet, and you know it's my town game. And if you're town you should absolutely care because you're voting me for clarifying a situation that you easily could have clarified with a single post. But you didn't. And now you're voting me without examining the evidence. I don't know how this is "erecting a straw man," I have also not clung to calling sl scum. The only time I've called him scum was when I voted him D1. And I haven't had the time to reevaluate the game because I've been pointlessly defending myself against HF because you didn't step forward and simply say "fuba is telling the truth on this, HF."
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 14 2017 16:12 GMT
#1218
How in the hell can you possibly think it's the three of us.
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 14 2017 16:47 GMT
#1224
Gonna repeat while I finish the dishes: Vivax is voting me for doing something I had to do because he didn't.
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 14 2017 16:53 GMT
#1226
If you're town, in the thread while two people argue back and forth about a mod change to the votes centered entirely on your vote, would you not, at the very least, clarify it? There's no reason to let an irrelevant argument go on unless you just want an irrelevant argument to go on. Town doesn't want irrelevant arguments to go on, therefore scum.
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 14 2017 16:55 GMT
#1228
And the fact that he voted me afterwards for doing exactly what he could have done in a sentence, while it would obviously take me a lot longer. It's like some weird entrapment. He knows why I needed to defend myself, he could have stopped it, and now he's voting me because of it.
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 14 2017 16:56 GMT
#1229
On May 15 2017 01:55 Holyflare wrote:
but I already knew about the mod error and it had nothing to do with my case on you and in fact showed that what you were saying didn't match up at all


No... I've made it clear that what I was saying made 100% sense. Are we even reading the same game?
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 14 2017 16:57 GMT
#1230
Little correction: If it doesn't necessarily make 100% sense to everyone, the timeline of my thoughts completely lines up with the timeline of the events of the game. The only alternative is that I'm literally able to tell the future.
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 14 2017 16:59 GMT
#1231
And seriously, HF is town. He seems to sincerely believe I'm scum, which real scum couldn't do.

If I get lynched - TW, SL, and vivax are not allowed to vote HF.
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 14 2017 17:02 GMT
#1234
If it helps you, try reading it as scum reading him until my "I don't know who to vote for" post, and then just generally not knowing and preferring his lynch to grack or df. Because that is essentially how it was. I don't really feel like going back through my own filter to see how I phrased shit at each individual point, but that is the gist of it.
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 14 2017 18:26 GMT
#1262
Not sure about my vivax vote anymore. Might have just been dwelling on myself as a topic of conversation for the last 24 hours. I guess just because I saw it as super important doesn't mean vivax necessarily had to.

Brings me back to no strong scumreads atm, though.

While I find skynx's scumlist really, really weird, I don't know if it makes him scummy. It does set him up to vote for the lynch that loses today (since it seems like it's going to be either HF or I, though I would prefer neither). Feel like he should be pressed for an explanation of how we are scum together before one of us is gone.
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 14 2017 18:36 GMT
#1270
Looking at sl - I don't think I believe scum would take credit for, according to him, setting HF on me if he (sl) knows I'm town. There are probably crafty ways to twist it around after I'm gone, but he's essentially taking credit for my lynch while also being the third person to vote me. Looks super sketchy if he knows I'm gonna flip town.
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 14 2017 18:47 GMT
#1275
On May 15 2017 03:31 Grackaroni wrote:
Fuba why are you so confident reading HF town?

Very similar reasons to his read on me, I suppose lol. He seems (seemed?) to really think I'm scum. And he just raised a good point that there's very few people raising alternatives or discussing anything. Seems like almost everyone except HF and I are pretty content lynching between us, and that makes me uncomfortable.

I think I'm also having some flashbacks to the haunted mansion game he keeps mentioning. Pretty sure I was one of the people who voted him then, and I didn't take it off because I was afraid he was crafty enough as scum to fool my tone reads. I ended up being right about df D1, so I'm trusting it again for HF on D2.

And at this point, the easiest thing he could have done after tunneling me all day would have been to sit on the vote. Why, as scum, would you so staunchly argue I'm scum for a day and then drop it for what boils down to a tone read? My only concern is that he's buddying me, but I'm really not the best person to buddy, and I don't think HF generally relies on that kind of thing to win games.
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 14 2017 18:53 GMT
#1280
On May 13 2017 17:31 sicklucker wrote:
Also im the doctor and mafia medic dodged obv


On May 14 2017 05:03 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2017 23:36 fuba wrote:
On May 13 2017 23:27 fuba wrote:
On May 13 2017 17:31 sicklucker wrote:
Also im the doctor and mafia medic dodged obv

Who'd you save, and why'd you claim now?

He wasn't even under that much suspicion. Why claim doc with a roleblocker in the game when there was little/no threat of being lynched? I can't think of a scenario where this is a good idea except if you're scum, you know it's an all-vanilla game, and you know you can fakeclaim without being countered.


there is a roleblocker in the game but is fuba the kind of guy who would notice that unless hes on the scum team? like he clearly read the op who does that


On May 14 2017 05:04 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2017 00:11 fuba wrote:
On May 14 2017 00:07 Holyflare wrote:
The real lack of everything from everyone is great.

Thoughts on the sl claim for literally no reason?


it was a jooookeee I claimed doctor in my last 3 games =[


This still bugs me, but I'm not sure if it should. He fakeclaims doc, then tries to cast me as scum for having read the OP, and then clarifies that it was a joke. Was anything gained from this, or just confusion?
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 14 2017 18:58 GMT
#1288
On May 15 2017 03:54 Holyflare wrote:
sl is a confusing guy and nothing he says ever makes sense so there's that

I might be more suspicious because all of his jokes and lies are at my expense.
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 14 2017 19:06 GMT
#1292
I want to know what PB's current vote analysis says about the likelihood of HF or me being scum, and whether or not his reads have updated.
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 14 2017 19:09 GMT
#1295
Also, PB's big list post has a copy of the incorrect D1 votecount that I was trying to find, so that made me laugh given how long I tried to find it XD
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 14 2017 19:20 GMT
#1303
On May 15 2017 04:19 Tumblewood wrote:
the trouble here is that the only active players are the ones that are probably scum. and also ls

And this doesn't strike you as odd?
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 14 2017 19:23 GMT
#1306
On May 15 2017 04:17 Holyflare wrote:
why does everyone think palmar is town?

I have no idea how to read Palmar, and just kinda assume that everything he does is above me whether he's town or scum :/
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 14 2017 19:27 GMT
#1311
Part of me is up for anything that will avoid either of us being lynched, since I may have to go at any time cuz mother's day. At the risk of sounding like a broken record, I'd rather vote sl or possibly TW. If most of what sl says and does can be dismissed as "he's kinda crazy no matter what" then I'm gonna go with my gut and say he has an agenda to get me lynched.
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 14 2017 19:29 GMT
#1312
Also brb - shower.
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 14 2017 19:33 GMT
#1315
Sorry if you've posted it before, but why is sl town, again?
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 14 2017 20:09 GMT
#1340
I can honestly say that I have never seen tumblewood make an intelligent call
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 14 2017 20:29 GMT
#1370
On May 15 2017 05:10 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2017 05:09 fuba wrote:
I can honestly say that I have never seen tumblewood make an intelligent call

pls you were in hm3 when i started the shapelog wagon

I can't remember. *shrugs*

In any case. When I die, look at TW, who has just sat on my lynch all day using evidence that other people came up with and not reevaluating his read based on anything said.

Look at sicklucker who has been on my dick all day, fakeclaimed, tried to loosely color me as scum because of nonsense reasons related to that fakeclaim, and then admitted he was lying. Also not reevaluating his vote based on new information. Also voted third on a wagon that he claims to have started through HF.

Actually gonna say look at PB, who aside from basically afkvoting sl, is letting what I still assume is one of his townreads die without a fight, hasn't pushed the lynch of the wagon he's on, and seems generally comfortable with his vote not mattering at all this game.

Don't lynch HF. He genuinely thought I was scum.

That skynx scumteam is bananas.

Don't really know what to think of LS - I don't have the time to analyze everyone's posts in this game, let alone the one's he's linking.

Grack - maybe scummy. He's kinda cemented me as the lynch just as it seemed it might go in a few other directions - doubt I'm getting out of this. Haven't given him much thought because I have trouble analyzing high-content players. In general just kinda feels like he's around but not doing much (which I know is laughable from me, but he has like a 7 page filter and I can't think of any sizeable impact). in-post edit: while I'm writing this he at least seems to be truly considering the game/asking for feedback/thoughts, so I guess stick with slight town?

Rayn - similar high-content player. Hard read, but instinct says town because there was no need for him to defend me D1. That's kind of a shit read, but it's basically all I've got on him.

Palmar - even less presence than grack. Expected more, maybe, but I feel like I always expect more from what I've heard of Palmar. Could be he's always killed early, so I don't really get to experience the greatness that is supposed to be Palmar, but idk. Palmar rambling done~

Vivax - all my vivax thought was pretty self-centered, so I'm not sure what my real read on him is at the moment.
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 14 2017 20:37 GMT
#1384
On May 15 2017 05:36 Grackaroni wrote:
Fuba do you remember what your early game reads were that you didn't want to share?

Shared them with HF I think.
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 14 2017 20:39 GMT
#1390
On May 15 2017 05:38 Skynx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2017 05:37 fuba wrote:
On May 15 2017 05:36 Grackaroni wrote:
Fuba do you remember what your early game reads were that you didn't want to share?

Shared them with HF I think.

In the qt?

Was tempted to make that joke myself - thought it would be in poor taste coming from me
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 14 2017 20:42 GMT
#1396
On May 15 2017 05:37 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2017 05:33 Holyflare wrote:
On May 15 2017 05:31 Palmar wrote:
well, he could be, but he's not going to be lynched right now.


that's because people will see the light and vote you

See this is the problem I have this game with you. You're essentially acting like you're 100% certain I must be mafia based on basically nothing. It's this sort of militant aggressive approach that just doesn't jive.

I feel like if you were town you'd be far more laid back and willing to let people sort of chase their own things while just making the case by yourself.

So the justification I can come up with is "well if he's mafia, it's much better to just stick to your guns and be uncompromising". It's harder for me to figure out why you'd act like this as town.

Idk, you tonally feel like hitler, and he was a pretty bad dude.

I feel like I can attest to the fact that HF is not entirely uncompromising.
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 14 2017 20:47 GMT
#1411
On May 15 2017 05:46 Skynx wrote:
Shennanying is not the right play here imo. fuba has to go.

While voting for Vivax?

K. Got my vote.
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 14 2017 20:52 GMT
#1422
On May 15 2017 05:50 Skynx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2017 05:47 fuba wrote:
On May 15 2017 05:46 Skynx wrote:
Shennanying is not the right play here imo. fuba has to go.

While voting for Vivax?

K. Got my vote.

You are voting on Vivax.

"Don't pull shenanigans - fuba has to die"
*is voting for Vivax*
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 14 2017 20:52 GMT
#1424
And I was actually voting on sicklucker, but forgot that I need to ##unvote.
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 14 2017 20:55 GMT
#1434
On May 15 2017 05:55 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2017 05:54 Holyflare wrote:
we don't lynch fuba, we lynch not fuba which is palmar who has quite literally NOT GIVEN A SHIT THE ENTIRE CYCLE until deadline where he wants to cause as much chaos as humanly possible

~~~~

lol bro, did you forget unclenching?

He doesn't seem wrong.
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 14 2017 21:02 GMT
#1450

@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 14 2017 21:09 GMT
#1456
GL town~
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