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sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
May 20 2017 15:04 GMT
#2381
On May 20 2017 23:39 LightningStrike wrote:
Like I don't think Palmar and HF are together as a team so in my world it would leave you and pb if HF flips scum.


im never bussing hf today if im his partner lol. He was never the lynch untill I said so
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
May 20 2017 15:04 GMT
#2382
On May 21 2017 00:03 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2017 00:02 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 20 2017 23:58 Holyflare wrote:
No, this is prime example of you leaving your options open like you have done with me all game while sheeping me too. Kill LS after me.

Had you looked where I said before that post that I thought pb was townie earlier?


Yet you still keep him as a lynch option.

Only if I was wrong sicklucker because if I was wrong anyone on that it would be PB.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
May 20 2017 15:05 GMT
#2383
so ls im not mafia with hf. 99/100 people in the universe would agree
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
May 20 2017 15:06 GMT
#2384
man time to lynch ls. hes just setting up a mislynch on me and not realizing it makes no sense
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 20 2017 15:06 GMT
#2385
Lynching palmar is a fallacy. You're basing this entire game off tw filter because nobody has a legitimate clue how to play mafia based on content. Only vivax has mentioned content related to palmar and it's not so bad.

The fact I'm a unanimous wagon with nobody defending me whereas palmar had at least 2 people defending him (myself and sl) should be evidence enough that I'm not mafia.

Where has palmar gone now I have the votes on me? Absolutely anywhere but here. Yet, you're encouraging more and more falsehoods my way to get me to be the majority wagon more.

That's bad lightningstrike and you know it.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 20 2017 15:07 GMT
#2386
On May 21 2017 00:04 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2017 23:39 LightningStrike wrote:
Like I don't think Palmar and HF are together as a team so in my world it would leave you and pb if HF flips scum.


im never bussing hf today if im his partner lol. He was never the lynch untill I said so


You said this about you and palmar too. Don't pick and choose when it fits you.
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
May 20 2017 15:08 GMT
#2387
On May 20 2017 23:59 Holyflare wrote:
Outline your stance on palmar through each cycle.

Day 1/Night 1 scumish I thought it was weird he was thinking about sheeping me on lynching you Day 1 although he did sheep people on Day 1 in past moved him up slightly.
Day 2/Night 2 Didn't really change much at all from the EoN 1.
Day 3/Night 3: I moved back to thinking he could be a potental scum after TW was lynched and flipped scum due to him placing him and you as potential scum.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 20 2017 15:08 GMT
#2388
On May 21 2017 00:03 Holyflare wrote:
Why should palmar be my confirmed scum? I never trust anything that a mafia writes because they can write absolutely anything. I trust my intellect and my gut. Always.


Why is he confirmed scum to me ls?

Why didn't you use this argument on palmar towards me THE ENTIRE GAME UNTIL NOW?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 20 2017 15:09 GMT
#2389
I proved using meta that Tumblewood doesn't separate his mafia buddies like you're saying he does. You should read my posts.
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
May 20 2017 15:10 GMT
#2390
On May 21 2017 00:06 Holyflare wrote:
Lynching palmar is a fallacy. You're basing this entire game off tw filter because nobody has a legitimate clue how to play mafia based on content. Only vivax has mentioned content related to palmar and it's not so bad.

The fact I'm a unanimous wagon with nobody defending me whereas palmar had at least 2 people defending him (myself and sl) should be evidence enough that I'm not mafia.

Where has palmar gone now I have the votes on me? Absolutely anywhere but here. Yet, you're encouraging more and more falsehoods my way to get me to be the majority wagon more.

That's bad lightningstrike and you know it.

I would lynch Palmar if we get that wagon going but I also don't mind lynching you as I think one of you two are always scum in the scenrio and we lynch to lynch the scum out of you two.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
May 20 2017 15:10 GMT
#2391
On May 21 2017 00:09 Holyflare wrote:
I proved using meta that Tumblewood doesn't separate his mafia buddies like you're saying he does. You should read my posts.

He could easily changed it I think either you or Palmar could coach him on it.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 20 2017 15:11 GMT
#2392
On May 20 2017 05:26 Holyflare wrote:
Just going through old tw mafia games atm
+ Show Spoiler +
On July 02 2016 09:57 Tumblewood wrote:
long time no see

apparently I'm supposed to answer questions so I'll answer the one that goes "hey tumble who do you think is scum"
I think there are only three players who would have gone for the legendary 5-day solo run given their position after N1: skynx, jean, and jealous. tt and damdred were in very poor position, and super made a move that is pretty bold for someone who loses as soon as they're lynched (that of course being the fakeclaim) though in theory I should not give him a free pass for that-- I'm in a shortcutty mood.
tbh I'm talking out of my ass when I talk about skynx's meta because I hardly interacted with him in xxi, but under the "generic newbie" meta his push on art was pretty hard to pull off. also he's been bringing up the same point I did in this post (that it's probably someone in favorable enough position to pull it off) which is something scum in favorable position a la skynx would want to avoid bringing up because duh why would you give people a free reason to scumread you? skynx is probably town.
jealous confuses me meta-wise so I'll ignore meta regarding him + Show Spoiler +
you're welcome jealous
except for the part where I'm considering him because I surmise that he might believe in himself enough to go for the 4 mislynch try. I was scumreading jealous mostly by poe but at the end of D2 I noticed something that made him pretty townie in my mind: he was under pressure in a 3-way wagon scenario (between him, tt, and damdred, and at end of day chezinu). he faced more stark opposition targeting damdred than anyone else, but he pushed his preferred lynch over the path of least resistance. it just looked like jealous really really cared about his damdred scumread right then.
jean is the one who makes the most sense in my mind. he's been swinging for the fences all game, which is something you kind of need to do when you see moosy/ec as your scum partners. highest priority when you see they're under fire is to get as much town cred as possible and jean did that. the path he took seems unlikely but I think he is the most plausible scum.



All of these scum reads, none of them are his partners. Also learn to use paragraphs please.

+ Show Spoiler +
On June 29 2016 01:23 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2016 01:02 Damdred wrote:
I guess we will come down to a jealous vs damdred Lynch today.

Meh brb

at the end of my 6-page catching up spree I get a nice little summary. I don't think anyone outside of jealous / tt / damdred (/ art? probably not) is ever scum so I think the logical plan is to lynch them in about that order. in every respect damdred feels pretty alright but not exceptional this game. I generally skim what jealous says because he writes paragraphs about sentences, so tbh no strong opinion on him. tt is looking better after not conceding... I don't think that very many people have the will to try and force 4 mislynches in a row with no partners while being scumread with blue evidence, but as a matter of principle I don't ever want to judge anyone on whether or not they concede. tt feels much better than he did d1 though, so I'd prefer to lynch jealous today. good order is jealous -> tt -> damdred -> art though hopefully we don't get so far down the list.


Again hard town reads all of the people that aren't these few. None of them are partners.

+ Show Spoiler +
On June 30 2016 05:32 Tumblewood wrote:
Likeliest scum
Chez
Tt
Skynx
Jean
Super
Damdred
Everyone else
0% scum



More scum reads, no team mates.

I got bored reading the rest.

Pretty much in the 3 games I've checked he doesn't like to bus his team mates. There was a weak push against one in one game but then he went full town read.

TLDR his read list isn't conclusive of anything whatsoever and LS meta god should have seen this too.



On May 20 2017 05:32 Holyflare wrote:
I've also actually read the context of that hf/palmar nk comment and it stems from this and rayn's post :

Show nested quote +
On May 14 2017 08:40 Tumblewood wrote:
ok i read rayn's cases and they seem fair. with rayn, hf, and palmar all alive after the NK at least one of them has to be scum, and rayn is town. so it's either palmar or hf and i don't know how to read either of them but it seems pretty obvious what to do if one of them flips town


If rayn makes a post implicating two townies and he knows it fuels a shit fest between rayn/palmar/hf why wouldn't he make that post you keep quoting? It's non committal in any regard and isn't followed up at all. The only time he attacks either of us is in response to when rayn shows up. Aka trying to adapt to the thread. It also enables a double mislynch if we're both town. A possibility.

Pretty much we lynch sl no matter what.

On May 20 2017 05:56 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2017 05:38 Grackaroni wrote:
When I played scum with TW he hard bussed me and Rels. But I think it's more relevant whether he's hard town read his teammates early on before rather than whatever cherry picked game you are looking at now to argue your case.


my point is that him saying that palmar/hf are doing something bad has no relevance to whether they are his team mates because sometimes he hard defends them and sometimes he busses


Here are some damning posts to destroy your theory that myself and palmar has to be mafia together.

Also I'm glad you outline that you have no game based reasons to town read palmar but you're happy to vote me.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 20 2017 15:12 GMT
#2393
On May 21 2017 00:10 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2017 00:09 Holyflare wrote:
I proved using meta that Tumblewood doesn't separate his mafia buddies like you're saying he does. You should read my posts.

He could easily changed it I think either you or Palmar could coach him on it.


So you think I'd coach a player to change their meta to give away our whole mafia team???

I don't coach anybody in mafia chat.
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
May 20 2017 15:13 GMT
#2394
On May 21 2017 00:12 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2017 00:10 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 21 2017 00:09 Holyflare wrote:
I proved using meta that Tumblewood doesn't separate his mafia buddies like you're saying he does. You should read my posts.

He could easily changed it I think either you or Palmar could coach him on it.


So you think I'd coach a player to change their meta to give away our whole mafia team???

I don't coach anybody in mafia chat.

I think you could do that easily with another person backing you up on that.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 20 2017 15:13 GMT
#2395
Are you kidding?
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
May 20 2017 15:14 GMT
#2396
On May 21 2017 00:11 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2017 05:26 Holyflare wrote:
Just going through old tw mafia games atm
+ Show Spoiler +
On July 02 2016 09:57 Tumblewood wrote:
long time no see

apparently I'm supposed to answer questions so I'll answer the one that goes "hey tumble who do you think is scum"
I think there are only three players who would have gone for the legendary 5-day solo run given their position after N1: skynx, jean, and jealous. tt and damdred were in very poor position, and super made a move that is pretty bold for someone who loses as soon as they're lynched (that of course being the fakeclaim) though in theory I should not give him a free pass for that-- I'm in a shortcutty mood.
tbh I'm talking out of my ass when I talk about skynx's meta because I hardly interacted with him in xxi, but under the "generic newbie" meta his push on art was pretty hard to pull off. also he's been bringing up the same point I did in this post (that it's probably someone in favorable enough position to pull it off) which is something scum in favorable position a la skynx would want to avoid bringing up because duh why would you give people a free reason to scumread you? skynx is probably town.
jealous confuses me meta-wise so I'll ignore meta regarding him + Show Spoiler +
you're welcome jealous
except for the part where I'm considering him because I surmise that he might believe in himself enough to go for the 4 mislynch try. I was scumreading jealous mostly by poe but at the end of D2 I noticed something that made him pretty townie in my mind: he was under pressure in a 3-way wagon scenario (between him, tt, and damdred, and at end of day chezinu). he faced more stark opposition targeting damdred than anyone else, but he pushed his preferred lynch over the path of least resistance. it just looked like jealous really really cared about his damdred scumread right then.
jean is the one who makes the most sense in my mind. he's been swinging for the fences all game, which is something you kind of need to do when you see moosy/ec as your scum partners. highest priority when you see they're under fire is to get as much town cred as possible and jean did that. the path he took seems unlikely but I think he is the most plausible scum.



All of these scum reads, none of them are his partners. Also learn to use paragraphs please.

+ Show Spoiler +
On June 29 2016 01:23 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2016 01:02 Damdred wrote:
I guess we will come down to a jealous vs damdred Lynch today.

Meh brb

at the end of my 6-page catching up spree I get a nice little summary. I don't think anyone outside of jealous / tt / damdred (/ art? probably not) is ever scum so I think the logical plan is to lynch them in about that order. in every respect damdred feels pretty alright but not exceptional this game. I generally skim what jealous says because he writes paragraphs about sentences, so tbh no strong opinion on him. tt is looking better after not conceding... I don't think that very many people have the will to try and force 4 mislynches in a row with no partners while being scumread with blue evidence, but as a matter of principle I don't ever want to judge anyone on whether or not they concede. tt feels much better than he did d1 though, so I'd prefer to lynch jealous today. good order is jealous -> tt -> damdred -> art though hopefully we don't get so far down the list.


Again hard town reads all of the people that aren't these few. None of them are partners.

+ Show Spoiler +
On June 30 2016 05:32 Tumblewood wrote:
Likeliest scum
Chez
Tt
Skynx
Jean
Super
Damdred
Everyone else
0% scum



More scum reads, no team mates.

I got bored reading the rest.

Pretty much in the 3 games I've checked he doesn't like to bus his team mates. There was a weak push against one in one game but then he went full town read.

TLDR his read list isn't conclusive of anything whatsoever and LS meta god should have seen this too.



Show nested quote +
On May 20 2017 05:32 Holyflare wrote:
I've also actually read the context of that hf/palmar nk comment and it stems from this and rayn's post :

On May 14 2017 08:40 Tumblewood wrote:
ok i read rayn's cases and they seem fair. with rayn, hf, and palmar all alive after the NK at least one of them has to be scum, and rayn is town. so it's either palmar or hf and i don't know how to read either of them but it seems pretty obvious what to do if one of them flips town


If rayn makes a post implicating two townies and he knows it fuels a shit fest between rayn/palmar/hf why wouldn't he make that post you keep quoting? It's non committal in any regard and isn't followed up at all. The only time he attacks either of us is in response to when rayn shows up. Aka trying to adapt to the thread. It also enables a double mislynch if we're both town. A possibility.

Pretty much we lynch sl no matter what.

Show nested quote +
On May 20 2017 05:56 Holyflare wrote:
On May 20 2017 05:38 Grackaroni wrote:
When I played scum with TW he hard bussed me and Rels. But I think it's more relevant whether he's hard town read his teammates early on before rather than whatever cherry picked game you are looking at now to argue your case.


my point is that him saying that palmar/hf are doing something bad has no relevance to whether they are his team mates because sometimes he hard defends them and sometimes he busses


Here are some damning posts to destroy your theory that myself and palmar has to be mafia together.

Also I'm glad you outline that you have no game based reasons to town read palmar but you're happy to vote me.

Unfornately I would lynch him if wasn't for the fact you soft defended him and looking to lynch outside of Palmar despite the fact you know the majority of us on your wagon are willing to vote him.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
May 20 2017 15:14 GMT
#2397
On May 21 2017 00:13 Holyflare wrote:
Are you kidding?

No.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 20 2017 15:14 GMT
#2398
I've just destroyed your reason to make a scum read between palmar and myself and your argument is that I'd be bothered to coach Tumblewood to be awful at mafia?
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
May 20 2017 15:16 GMT
#2399
On May 21 2017 00:14 Holyflare wrote:
I've just destroyed your reason to make a scum read between palmar and myself and your argument is that I'd be bothered to coach Tumblewood to be awful at mafia?

You or Palmar could.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 20 2017 15:17 GMT
#2400
K let's lynch ls.
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