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sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
April 11 2017 03:38 GMT
#1041
shucks i mean it was kind of obvious from his play. no one wanted to have any fun
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
April 11 2017 06:15 GMT
#1042
On April 10 2017 20:40 Rels wrote:
Shape's filter doesn't hit me as super scummy by itself. But he's the only logical answer.


On April 10 2017 21:40 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2017 20:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What do you mean by that?

That I don't find Shape's filter particulary scummy, but not townie either and everyone else is town.


Now that the "logical" answer flipped town, how do you see the game?
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
April 11 2017 06:19 GMT
#1043
On April 08 2017 05:18 Tumblewood wrote:
have no qualms about lynching
rels
(shape)

have some qualms about lynching
sl
koshi
(calix)

not lynching today
df
rayn
btdt


On April 09 2017 08:20 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2017 07:39 sicklucker wrote:
Tumblewood
raynpelikoneet
koshi
darthfoley
beentheredonethat
Rels
Shapelog


something like that mostly paranoid of rels because hes second no my list as most likely mafia even tho its probably shapelog

yeah this is exactly where I am except sl is somewhere on the list. probably above btdt with like 1 letter colored green


When did btdt go from "not lynching today" to being in the scummy side of your reads list, and why? Was it simply because he voted off the Calix wagon?
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
April 11 2017 06:30 GMT
#1044
The biggest point in Rels' favor is what rayn said. Rayn was hard defending Rels and it doesn't make sense for scum!Rels to shoot rayn when at least three other people (sl, me and later shapelog/btdt) talked about the possibility of scum!Rels and lynching him. I just don't see the logic behind it at all.

Barring some ridiculous play by solo mafia yolo SL or yolo shot holding rayn, they're both town. Koshi is town. Which leaves btdt and Tumblewood. Tumblewood's early game was pretty townie but i've gotten more and more confused with the points he's trying to make later in his filter. This post was good, however.

On April 10 2017 06:59 Tumblewood wrote:
although his filter leaves little to work with, I doubt rels is scum because he has put himself in a poor position to get someone else lynched after shapelog. I would expect scum!rels to scumread me and/or (pre-flip) sl so he'd have somewhere to go for the necessary 3 mislynches, and he still has not made 'preparations' in that respect


@btdt given what rayn pointed out, do you still think Rels is most likely to be scum?

On April 10 2017 06:21 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2017 10:32 Hapahauli wrote:
One more hour count:


Calix (4) - Koshi, darthfoley, raynpelikoneet, Rels
Tumblewood (2) - beentheredonethat, Shapelog
Shapelog (2) - sicklucker, Tumblewood

Not Voting (1) - Calix

Whoever has the most votes at the end of the day (plurality) will be lynched.
Only votes in the voting thread will count.

The day will end in at 01:30 GMT (+00:00).

This is the final vote count. Four people voted outside of Calix.

me, Shapelog, sicklucker, Tumblewood.

Tumblewood should be town based on his early interaction with Calix. It's unlikely that scum acts like this on scum.
sicklucker claimed doctor.
Tumblewood is VT.
Leaves Shapelog.

If it's not Shapelog, Rels should definitely be moved into scum range. sicklucker's claim holds, the townread on Tumble does, too, and I still have my role PM which says VT, so it should be me or Rels, which is exactly what Shape says.

That's a dilemma. But we do have enough mislynches to lynch all three of us, don't we.

watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
April 11 2017 06:33 GMT
#1045
Also we only have one more mislynch (without any additional saves) before it becomes mylo so no, we can't just lynch down the line btdt
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
April 11 2017 07:06 GMT
#1046
Hm. Rayn's points on Rels makes sense, but so does the argument that Shape made (voting 4-2 town cred for Rels, voting 3-3 high risk vote).

Let's put Rels aside for a moment. I don't really think he's scum but I don't give him a town pass like I did last game. After all, Shape flipped town and Shape had a strong opinion on the last scum being between me and Rels. We should carefully look into why he said that.

But right now I'm back to Tumble. In the last four, I had Tumble/sicklucker/Shapelog, and the person who's most likely to flip scum after Shape being town is Tumble.


On April 10 2017 02:37 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2017 18:36 beentheredonethat wrote:
I think Rels piling on Calix, making it 4v2, clears him. Rels voting Tumble, making it 3-3 with others voting outside of it, would've been scummy as fuck.


This read also makes no sense.

1) Rels piling on Calix, making it 4v2, clears him.
2) Rels voting on Tumble to make it 3-3 would've been scummy as fuck
3) So Rels is cleared because he didn't do the clearly "scummy as fuck" option
4) What would Rels gain by doing the clearly "scummy as fuck" option, if he were scum?
5) Even if you believe Rels would try to pull off the "too scummy to be scum" mind game, why would him voting Calix "clear him?"

I think it doesn't make sense to hammer your scum mate when you're the last man standing and playing from a very weak position anyways. I just can't see Rels coming in, bussing, and pissing off.

Tumble on the other hand has kept doing nothing. He was content on the Shape lynch (but then again, we all were). My main reason to clear him was the mindmeld argument, basically "scum wouldn't do that". Thinking about it a bit more, I can scum see do that, especially an active scum!Calix coordinating with a less inactive Tumble.

Best bet for me is Tumble right now.

"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
April 11 2017 07:43 GMT
#1047
On April 11 2017 15:15 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2017 20:40 Rels wrote:
Shape's filter doesn't hit me as super scummy by itself. But he's the only logical answer.


Show nested quote +
On April 10 2017 21:40 Rels wrote:
On April 10 2017 20:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What do you mean by that?

That I don't find Shape's filter particulary scummy, but not townie either and everyone else is town.


Now that the "logical" answer flipped town, how do you see the game?

I'm pretty lost ... everyone has reason to be town. I dunno.
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
April 11 2017 07:54 GMT
#1048
so you admit your mafia?
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
April 11 2017 07:54 GMT
#1049
its rels or btm maybe even koshi who knows. wouldnt consider anyone else
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
April 11 2017 08:04 GMT
#1050
SL why were you so sure that the game would continue after Shape lynch ?
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
April 11 2017 08:10 GMT
#1051
You totally quoted me out of context I never said I thought ti would continue go reread thats not something I said. I did kind of think it would continue tho did you not see shapelogs last 10 hours of play?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
April 11 2017 08:24 GMT
#1052
I literally quoted you 2 minutes after your post so I don't know how I could do it "out of context" ...
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/520821-liquidmania-qualifier-4?page=51#1020
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
April 11 2017 08:38 GMT
#1053
how is me declaring today wont be fun because nothings happening and saying see you tormorow. here im not talking ingame tormorow I was legit gone for the real life day. if i come back to an endgame tis the same shit to me
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
April 11 2017 09:02 GMT
#1054
k that makes sense
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
April 11 2017 09:52 GMT
#1055
sl why is Tumble town?
table for two on a tv tray
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
April 11 2017 10:15 GMT
#1056
mind melds and many other reasons would still never consider him
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
April 11 2017 10:15 GMT
#1057
i cant even remember most of them but im sure there rly good ;p
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 11 2017 10:16 GMT
#1058
On April 11 2017 15:19 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2017 05:18 Tumblewood wrote:
have no qualms about lynching
rels
(shape)

have some qualms about lynching
sl
koshi
(calix)

not lynching today
df
rayn
btdt


Show nested quote +
On April 09 2017 08:20 Tumblewood wrote:
On April 09 2017 07:39 sicklucker wrote:
Tumblewood
raynpelikoneet
koshi
darthfoley
beentheredonethat
Rels
Shapelog


something like that mostly paranoid of rels because hes second no my list as most likely mafia even tho its probably shapelog

yeah this is exactly where I am except sl is somewhere on the list. probably above btdt with like 1 letter colored green


When did btdt go from "not lynching today" to being in the scummy side of your reads list, and why? Was it simply because he voted off the Calix wagon?

yeah everyone on the calix wagon moved up when she flipped scum. and btdt looks even worse after that shitty i-don't-want-to-vote-shape-but-##vote:shapelog post.
good times for all
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 11 2017 10:34 GMT
#1059
Next stop. Rels.
I had a good night of sleep.
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
April 11 2017 11:03 GMT
#1060
yep
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