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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 10 2017 14:24 GMT
#1021
On April 10 2017 14:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2017 09:36 Tumblewood wrote:
no reason for me to still be voting rels. shapelog vs calix is a tossup imo, given that calix can't be bothered to show up as soon as she's scumread. but I'll stick back on shape for now because I doubt town!shape clears himself later more likely than town!calix

I would still like to hear from Tumble that how on earth is this a good reasoning to place a vote on someone over another person.

lynching shapelog *at some point* felt more inevitable, meaning it was less likely to be a wasted lynch. I think you pointed out some vca thing why vote logic said I should always go for calix, and you were probably right, but it turns out that didn't matter anyway.
good times for all
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8003 Posts
April 10 2017 15:03 GMT
#1022
On April 10 2017 20:39 Rels wrote:
in comparaison Shape / Calix is so cordial. More cordial than any other interaction in Calix' filter.
yep. ##Vote Shapelog


So you think scum!Calix would try to be cordial with her partner in a game with lots of veterans?
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 10 2017 15:10 GMT
#1023
On April 11 2017 00:03 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2017 20:39 Rels wrote:
in comparaison Shape / Calix is so cordial. More cordial than any other interaction in Calix' filter.
yep. ##Vote Shapelog


So you think scum!Calix would try to be cordial with her partner in a game with lots of veterans?

there are one and a half fatal assumptions here
one is that calix was trying to do that, which would just be silly. the other being that calix might do that to a particular townie, which is highly improbable
good times for all
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8003 Posts
April 10 2017 15:19 GMT
#1024
On April 11 2017 00:10 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2017 00:03 darthfoley wrote:
On April 10 2017 20:39 Rels wrote:
in comparaison Shape / Calix is so cordial. More cordial than any other interaction in Calix' filter.
yep. ##Vote Shapelog


So you think scum!Calix would try to be cordial with her partner in a game with lots of veterans?

there are one and a half fatal assumptions here
one is that calix was trying to do that, which would just be silly. the other being that calix might do that to a particular townie, which is highly improbable


Why is it highly improbable?
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
April 10 2017 15:44 GMT
#1025
On April 11 2017 00:03 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2017 20:39 Rels wrote:
in comparaison Shape / Calix is so cordial. More cordial than any other interaction in Calix' filter.
yep. ##Vote Shapelog


So you think scum!Calix would try to be cordial with her partner in a game with lots of veterans?

No. I think scum!Calix would unintentionnally act differently with her partner than with other people.
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8003 Posts
April 10 2017 18:11 GMT
#1026
meh

##unvote
##vote Shapelog
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
April 10 2017 19:43 GMT
#1027
Still vote-or-die:


Shapelog (8) - raynpelikoneet, darthfoley, Shapelog, Tumblewood, beentheredonethat, Koshi, Rels, sicklucker, darthfoley

Not Voting (0) -

Whoever has the most votes at the end of the day (plurality) will be lynched.
Only votes in the voting thread will count.

The day will end in at 01:30 GMT (+00:00).
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 10 2017 20:21 GMT
#1028
On April 11 2017 00:19 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2017 00:10 Tumblewood wrote:
On April 11 2017 00:03 darthfoley wrote:
On April 10 2017 20:39 Rels wrote:
in comparaison Shape / Calix is so cordial. More cordial than any other interaction in Calix' filter.
yep. ##Vote Shapelog


So you think scum!Calix would try to be cordial with her partner in a game with lots of veterans?

there are one and a half fatal assumptions here
one is that calix was trying to do that, which would just be silly. the other being that calix might do that to a particular townie, which is highly improbable


Why is it highly improbable?

idk, it's just one of those things you don't think about as scum. not that you couldn't, just that you don't.
plus it would only be useful if calix flips and town calls it out, which is not easily foreseeable from the first 24 hours
good times for all
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8003 Posts
April 10 2017 20:36 GMT
#1029
On April 11 2017 05:21 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2017 00:19 darthfoley wrote:
On April 11 2017 00:10 Tumblewood wrote:
On April 11 2017 00:03 darthfoley wrote:
On April 10 2017 20:39 Rels wrote:
in comparaison Shape / Calix is so cordial. More cordial than any other interaction in Calix' filter.
yep. ##Vote Shapelog


So you think scum!Calix would try to be cordial with her partner in a game with lots of veterans?

there are one and a half fatal assumptions here
one is that calix was trying to do that, which would just be silly. the other being that calix might do that to a particular townie, which is highly improbable


Why is it highly improbable?

idk, it's just one of those things you don't think about as scum. not that you couldn't, just that you don't.
plus it would only be useful if calix flips and town calls it out, which is not easily foreseeable from the first 24 hours


Fair enough. I still don't see why "calix's interactions with btdt make it unlikely they're together" cuz don't mafia often pressure each other early D1 and then back off (which is what she kinda did)
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 10 2017 20:57 GMT
#1030
Time to become Christian bois. Heaven is pretty good.

Shapelog is a good lynch. If he isn't mafia we have a couple more tries. And I am going to be alive for 2 more days so that is pretty nice. Siclucker + rayn confirmed town.

The most mafia thing Shape did today was attack df a bit I think. Dnu.
The weirdest thing he did was say rayn could still be mafia. Which is weird if the docsave of sl is correct. As mafia you should know that and rayn is already confirmed, but then again. As town as well. Unless rayn decided to no kill I guess.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 10 2017 21:01 GMT
#1031
Sad I wont be awake for deadline.
I had a good night of sleep.
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5184 Posts
April 10 2017 23:22 GMT
#1032
On April 10 2017 13:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay then i think Rels cannot be scum. I think he would have shot Koshi since i am hard-defending him.

Possibly. Does help his case, though he should still be continued to be looked at.

The most mafia thing Shape did today was attack df a bit I think. Dnu.
The weirdest thing he did was say rayn could still be mafia. Which is weird if the docsave of sl is correct. As mafia you should know that and rayn is already confirmed, but then again. As town as well. Unless rayn decided to no kill I guess.

What D2 have you been reading 0.o?
Ryan is locked town in my reads and the only thing I talked about darth is that he could be scum if its not in BTDT and Koshi.

Also I know a secret way to get to heaven.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5184 Posts
April 10 2017 23:23 GMT
#1033
Actually I'm basically Jesus right now.

I am giving up my live so that your sins of being lazy can be redeem.

Unlike Jesus tho, I highly doubt I can come back alive.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5184 Posts
April 10 2017 23:25 GMT
#1034
I think Rels actually pointed a original point as well. Hmmm.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5184 Posts
April 11 2017 00:09 GMT
#1035
I have paper btw That I got today that I have to finish tomorrow hence why i'm not doing much lol.

Here just cant do much rn till I get this done. Should be soon tho.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 11 2017 00:21 GMT
#1036
On April 11 2017 05:36 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2017 05:21 Tumblewood wrote:
On April 11 2017 00:19 darthfoley wrote:
On April 11 2017 00:10 Tumblewood wrote:
On April 11 2017 00:03 darthfoley wrote:
On April 10 2017 20:39 Rels wrote:
in comparaison Shape / Calix is so cordial. More cordial than any other interaction in Calix' filter.
yep. ##Vote Shapelog


So you think scum!Calix would try to be cordial with her partner in a game with lots of veterans?

there are one and a half fatal assumptions here
one is that calix was trying to do that, which would just be silly. the other being that calix might do that to a particular townie, which is highly improbable


Why is it highly improbable?

idk, it's just one of those things you don't think about as scum. not that you couldn't, just that you don't.
plus it would only be useful if calix flips and town calls it out, which is not easily foreseeable from the first 24 hours


Fair enough. I still don't see why "calix's interactions with btdt make it unlikely they're together" cuz don't mafia often pressure each other early D1 and then back off (which is what she kinda did)

It is not "they interacted with together and ended up not calling each other scum", it's more of how the interaction went, especially from btdt's side. Like usually when mafia interacts with mafia and it ends like this both people know what they are doing, right? They have a plan and they know where it ends, in the end. I think it's highly unlike when Calix "ends the interaction" btdt just keeps going on and going on with it. Also that was the one of the interactions that made btdt "sad" a bit later in the game. Why would he get sad for that? He had just achieved what he wanted to as mafia.
table for two on a tv tray
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9642 Posts
April 11 2017 01:30 GMT
#1037
Night 2


Everyone decided to gang up on Shapelog for some reason

[image loading]


Shapelog the VT has been lynched

You have 24 hours. make sure to send all actions to me and the co hosts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8003 Posts
April 11 2017 01:33 GMT
#1038
And the band played on
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 11 2017 01:50 GMT
#1039
On April 08 2017 05:06 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2017 05:01 Shapelog wrote:
On April 08 2017 04:51 Tumblewood wrote:
On April 08 2017 04:26 Shapelog wrote:
On April 08 2017 04:18 Tumblewood wrote:
shiiiiiit all my vote logic falls apart unless we know what alignment rels is
I could believe 6/7 people posting are town
tomorrow

isnt the point of voting logic figuring out people's alignment based off the votes?

Regardless if rels votes or not or knowing his alignment, Why cant you do vote logic?

I think you can usually figure out whether the lynch is on town or scum in the hour before, based on wagon logic
if there is only one active scum that goes down the drain

I disagree strongly,

Yes you typically can guess one hour before flip in some cases, but in this one. We only have 2 mafia. So if Rels is mafia, there is still one mafia who is either afk OR actively misleading town.

If you assume that Rels is mafia, and suspect one person is actively misleading town, then you still have one person actively misleading town. The fact that Rel's is afk makes no difference to the fact that that person is still messing up town. Therefore, you can still do voting logic I.E. looking at when someone vote. Who took what wagon etc.

Saying you cant find the other person (or I guess in your case, make more points against me) is far from reality.

if rels is mafia then the mafia have as much thread pull as one townie. they cannot really decide wagons. if there are two active mafia, they can work together to make sure the lynch is neither of them, and unless they fold hard (unlikely given the quality of players) that will probably be true at deadline. unfortunately I can't make a read based on that if there is a 25% chance it's not true

What does this post mean?
You assume if Rels is mafia here mafia cannot have thread pull with one player but they can if Rels is not - with two players especially given the quality of players. Can you elaborate more on what you mean here? If the quality of players is "bad" as you seem to be saying, why can't 1 mafia make a difference and produce amounts of thread pull?

Calix (2) - Koshi, darthfoley
Tumblewood (2) - beentheredonethat, Shapelog
Rels (1) - Tumblewood
Sicklucker (1) - raynpelikoneet
beentheredonethat (1) - sicklucker

Not Voting (2) - Calix, Rels

Here is the votecount at the time you made the post so how on earth could "one mafia definitely not produce enough thread pull especailly with the quality of players"?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 11 2017 01:55 GMT
#1040
The thing is we only have 1 lynch. Because if sicklucker doesn't get another save and doesn't die in the next 2 nights he should be lynched in lylo. So better start playing sicklucker. And no, saying "this person is scum this person is town this is bad lynch" doesn't qualify as playing. That qualifies as Onegu, which again is not playing.
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