Liquidmania Qualifier #4 - Page 49

On April 10 2017 03:37 darthfoley wrote:
@ Shape

Well yea the remaining scum in this situation has to keep options open and back doors available because of the D1 lynch and now the save in the night. This is one of the main reasons I don't like how btdt has approached the thread recently.

On April 10 2017 03:34 beentheredonethat wrote:


It is pretty clear that I started to townread Tumble from my previous posts.
It is pretty clear that I townread Rels for voting 4-2 instead of 3-3.

Yes, it's not in the post you quoted. BUT it is in the posts I already made during the night. So - no, I am not wishy washy in it.

A afk scum team would be weird because it's really hard to read into.

I clearly express that I am okay with voting you, Shape, and I am content in following my top townreads. I am NOT being wishy washy because I ALSO say that I do have doubts about you being scum. Which is pretty normal.

I don't know how you can say that I'm wishy washy there. Only way to do it is if you completely discard my posts during the night.

I think Tumble might get too easy town credit. Yes I know that I give him town credit for the Calix/Tumble is unlikely stuff but it's not a full clear. Same goes for Rels, someone said that it would've been a big risk for scum!Rels to make the wagon 3-3 with a AFK Calix.

Hi. voting shape seems to be the obvious thing. Worth a try but I am paranoid over Shape being town. There are some things in his filter that feel a lot like it and people might be tunneled.

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My main pain points on Shape are hedging and committing to the wrong wagon. But: he could've voted with Tumbe/Sicklucker as there was (imho) no way more people would pile on TW. I wasn't in thread and thread wasn't interested in Tumble.

Maybe it's just town paranoia. My top townreads do vote for shape. So while I'm still paranoid, it's okay I guess.

But overall, Shape's filter feels like he's active, asking questions, progressing the thread. He's sticking to asking Tumble stuff, he continuesly says he's fine with a Calix lynch, and overall keeps a calm town which isn't necessarily easy to have as town when you're faced with rayn, sicklucker and myself (esp. myself).

In general, kudos to Koshi and Shape and Rayn for calming me down instead of tilting me further.

I'm not sure about Shape at this point.

On April 10 2017 04:12 beentheredonethat wrote:

Explain to me why so I also understand it, please. How am I keeping options open when I'm voting Shape and adding two people to my town pile?

Tumble, Rels, you and Rayn are on my town pile. I'm okay with a Shape lynch because I see the reasons people are voting him and I agree with them. Of course there's noone defending Shape - everyone's hoping he'll flip scum and the one remaining scum is fine with a clear mislynch if Shape is town.

On April 10 2017 04:13 beentheredonethat wrote:
Then again, SL claimed doc more or less so I should add him to my town pile, too. That leaves - Koshi. Wow.
Regarding the SL doc claim: keep in mind that Mafia can hold their shot. It might very well be that SL claimed doc although he simply held his shot.

On April 10 2017 04:22 Shapelog wrote:

Because your providing yourself a way to get out of those reads.

Those reasoning on why you think they are town are also what you are saying giving them too much town credit. You admit this yourself in that post. Why do you want others to not look at your townreads as town, or now relook and give them less credit? It makes no sense if you really think they are town.

Even with doubts about them, I don't see someone making a post where they state that the reason they are townreading shouldn't be giving that much credit.

It's really alarming esp. to me bc Ik either you or Rels 90% of the time here is mafia. And here you are potentially setting up to ML them if your mafia.

And lets say you are fine with me being lynched and do have doubts saying im scum.What I dont follow is the reasoning to keep posting things to show off your not certain. I get openly discussing in the thread ad that kinda of stuff, but the way you do it doesn't achieve anything from a townie mindset other than maybe convincing yourself I am scum...Which you SHOULD BE AT come to think if you think the rest of the people are town, like you just stated in your reply.

For example you post this.

You have reasons to think im town, but your sticking with your townreads stance on me. I understand that. But saying your certain in your vote isn't true. You stated "it's okay i guess.", meaning not only do you doubt your read, but also your vote.

Furthermore in the night, you stated you dont feel certain on it and had more reasons to think im town

According to what you just said in your reply. There should be NO ONE ELSE to suspect as scum if you think that tumble is town, and rels is town, then me. Meaning, you should be on my ass with fire. Instead you "have doubts"

Those reasoning on why you think they are town are also what you are saying giving them too much town credit. You admit this yourself in that post. Why do you want others to not look at your townreads as town, or now relook and give them less credit? It makes no sense if you really think they are town.

It's really alarming esp. to me bc Ik either you or Rels 90% of the time here is mafia. And here you are potentially setting up to ML them if your mafia.

And lets say you are fine with me being lynched and do have doubts saying im scum.What I dont follow is the reasoning to keep posting things to show off your not certain. I get openly discussing in the thread ad that kinda of stuff, but the way you do it doesn't achieve anything from a townie mindset other than maybe convincing yourself I am scum...Which you SHOULD BE AT come to think if you think the rest of the people are town, like you just stated in your reply.

You have reasons to think im town, but your sticking with your townreads stance on me. I understand that. But saying your certain in your vote isn't true. You stated "it's okay i guess.", meaning not only do you doubt your read, but also your vote.

Furthermore in the night, you stated you dont feel certain on it and had more reasons to think im town

According to what you just said in your reply. There should be NO ONE ELSE to suspect as scum if you think that tumble is town, and rels is town, then me. Meaning, you should be on my ass with fire. Instead you "have doubts"

On April 10 2017 04:29 Shapelog wrote:

Wait you don't beleive koshi is town?

And yea i suppose he could be mafia, in which case I am going to laugh my ass off post game if that is the case and he prob. deserves it bc that plan is fucking brilliant.

On April 10 2017 04:49 beentheredonethat wrote:


Of course I get out of reads. Reads are subject to change over the course of the game. Everyone who says "this guy is 100% alignment x" and is always right is scum.

You say:


Because I might be wrong Oo. I want everyone to not sheep me but instead develop their own opinions. Especially in terms of town reads I am not supposed to make everyone my townreads their townreads. I'd do so if one of my townreads would be up for the lynch which is not the case.


If it's either me or Rels, why did you absolutely not care about me or Rels previously? Why did you even vote with me? Why didn't you vote for Rels? And where do you get this very high probability from?


It's rather easy: my top scumread changed to a townread. I have not put in the work (freely admitting that) to re-read everyone, especially since I am fairly happy with you being lynched - I think the chance that you flip scum is at a decent 60-75%.

I freely admit to not having original scumreads on my own right now - which might be scum indicative but to be frank I don't care too much what people think at this point. I mean what's wrong with voting with my top town reads, especially rayn, given that he was the main incentive in lynching Calix which turned out to be a good move?


Yeah, that's true. I'm not 100% sure you're scum, and if Calix had flipped town, I'm pretty sure I'd still be going for Tumblewood way over you. The things you have going for you are things like activity, things like "I have to flip sooner or later because I won't be able to clear myself anyways" which I fully understand (I have the same feeling about myself to be honest, if you don't flip scum, I expect a rather fast mislynch on me)

I do not really know thought what you want to achieve with writing what you wrote there.


Yeah, I do. As you correctly wrote, if you're not scum, all I have left is technically Koshi, who's also townie to me (he voted Calix early, right?).

But remember D1. I got blamed as "bad town" a subjective 10000 times. It's quite possible that I'm wrong on things. That makes me unsure.

On April 10 2017 04:53 beentheredonethat wrote:

Can you please not post those gifs but instead be constructive and try to explain? Or, not react at all like this?

On April 10 2017 05:07 Koshi wrote:
##Vote Shapelog
For epeen

On April 10 2017 04:51 beentheredonethat wrote:
Shape, is "It's 90% Rels or BTDT" your final call on things?

On April 10 2017 04:13 beentheredonethat wrote:
Then again, SL claimed doc more or less so I should add him to my town pile, too. That leaves - Koshi. Wow.
Regarding the SL doc claim: keep in mind that Mafia can hold their shot. It might very well be that SL claimed doc although he simply held his shot.

On April 10 2017 05:39 Shapelog wrote:

Actually no, thinking about that rn. That is a really dumb plan. He has no idea if a PR is in the game or not. He would also be the last scum. That means, 66% of the time, he gets cced and insta-loses.

Unless he try and goat out a PR as a goon and saw no one bited and then held and claim. But that is just silly.

On April 10 2017 05:56 beentheredonethat wrote:

If he does not know the setup, yes. If he does know the setup, it's a valid play which isn't bad.