EPTAlso SL why are you voting rels which is above me on your scum list.
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Shapelog
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Also SL why are you voting rels which is above me on your scum list. | ||
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darthfoley
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On April 09 2017 22:53 Shapelog wrote: That i made. ![[image loading]](https://media.tenor.co/images/5396540c3cfea10d09942bd4d370d100/tenor.gif) Seriously tho, Where are you actually with tumble and Rels? This post tells me nothing bc ironically ur wishy washing in it. Why is the afk scum team weird when you dont know the factors of it? I think your reasoning kind of lines up with what SL and I have already pointed out. Which idk how to feel about. I get what you're saying but you could just be trying to wiggle out. On the other hand, the fact that everyone is voting on you requires 100% of the town to be correct which usually never happens, even if there's only 1 scum left. Plus everyone keeps talking about how simple the game is as an excuse to not play. Maybe it is really that simple. Is Rels your biggest scum read now? | ||
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Shapelog
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On April 10 2017 00:02 darthfoley wrote: I think your reasoning kind of lines up with what SL and I have already pointed out. Which idk how to feel about. I get what you're saying but you could just be trying to wiggle out. On the other hand, the fact that everyone is voting on you requires 100% of the town to be correct which usually never happens, even if there's only 1 scum left. Plus everyone keeps talking about how simple the game is as an excuse to not play. Maybe it is really that simple. Is Rels your biggest scum read now? Personally why I am fine maytering. It will force everyone to play including scum it then. Otherwise, unless we lynch mafia, scum can always use it as a excuse. Like I said yesterday, Its most likely between BTDT and Rels. I find Rels much scummier then BTDT (tho i need to reread him admittedly) rn. Rels just seems really content with letting this lynch go by without actually putting in work in. I would expect him honestly to put more effort into the game then what he currently has as town. Also, thinking about it, he never actually progressed off any of the questions (or didn't post anything he founded with the questions) he asked me and tumble. My prob. with BTDT rn is that last post of his. Its really wishy washy and kinda sus. because of it. I honestly don't see much purpose as town in that post. If he suspected me as town (which he keeps saying he sees that since last night) I would somewhat expect Town!BTDT to act on it more then just posting "I think he could be town but idk" over and over again. Might just be paranoid like he says tho. At least he has a decent size filter and other things so I should be able to figure it out when I read it. | ||
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Shapelog
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+ Show Spoiler + On April 08 2017 18:35 beentheredonethat wrote: Great flip! So Koshi, rayn, darth are pretty much cleared. Rels would've probably voted with me and Shape und Tumble so I assume he's pretty much cleared, too. The last scum hides between Shape, Tumble and Sicklucker. Tumble continued to do nothing and kept his vote on the irrelevant side of things. You could argue that Shape and me did so, too, but at least we had one wagon going. Sicklucker voted outside of Tumble/Calix but wanted to lynch shape. Of course each of Shape, tumble, sicklucker will replace himself with me on that scumlist. sicklucker initially voted for me. He might have actual reasons for that, or he's just tilted because I dropped a "fuck you". At this point, I want to apologize to sicklucker. I was already emotional when sicklucker chose to quote my Tumble case and react with virtually one single line to it which wasn't even serious. He absolutely tilted me with that (and I still feel tilted even thinking of it). Nevertheless, I shouldn't have reacted like that. So sicklucker says: (regarding calix vs btdt argument) while also saying so tendency is that I am not scum for him and tumble isn't, too. That leaves shape and this is genuine to be honest, I think his read progression and voting pattern (besides voting me) makes sense. So sicklucker might not be the remaining scum and I'd not lynch him over Tumble or Shape. On April 08 2017 18:36 beentheredonethat wrote: I think Rels piling on Calix, making it 4v2, clears him. Rels voting Tumble, making it 3-3 with others voting outside of it, would've been scummy as fuck. On April 08 2017 18:47 beentheredonethat wrote: Tumble votes Rels. Okay, I interpret that as scummy behaviour in the context of his three townreads. But he then ends up voting with sicklucker on Shapelog. Reading his filter, the vote makes sense, he kinda developed that read over the course of time. Only thing that strikes me is the low volume of posts right now. Like, Tumble didn't actively do a lot but he seems to at least vote reasonably. It's not enough to retract my scumread. But it, like, makes it a bit better. On April 08 2017 18:49 beentheredonethat wrote: As we only have two scummers, it's unlikely that he bussed. Feels more like afk Rels coming in, not being able to properly read up because of thread volume, voting main wagon because that's what you do when you haven't read the thread and still try to somehow reasonably vote. Right? On April 08 2017 19:00 beentheredonethat wrote: Let's also not forget that Tumble claimed a "mindmeld" with Calix. I don't think you do that as scum. Like, first thing you do is hardcore buddy up with your teammate when the rest of your play is "well, I'll stay under the radar"? I more and more get to think Tumble isn't actually scum. It's currently a gut feeling but the Calix flip seems to indicate that. That would mean that Shape should be the next lynch as he's been really hedgy about Calix and me. But then again, Shape clearly says he cannot see Tumble in a team with Calix. Which I kinda agree to. Hmm. That whole post is non-commital. And the Calix part is weird, hedgy. But overall, Shape's filter feels like he's active, asking questions, progressing the thread. He's sticking to asking Tumble stuff, he continuesly says he's fine with a Calix lynch, and overall keeps a calm town which isn't necessarily easy to have as town when you're faced with rayn, sicklucker and myself (esp. myself). In general, kudos to Koshi and Shape and Rayn for calming me down instead of tilting me further. I'm not sure about Shape at this point. On April 09 2017 18:07 beentheredonethat wrote: Hi. voting shape seems to be the obvious thing. Worth a try but I am paranoid over Shape being town. There are some things in his filter that feel a lot like it and people might be tunneled. We're down to one scum, so we have 7 town votes and 1 scum votes. That means that the scum vote isn't that relevant anymore. I think Tumble might get too easy town credit. Yes I know that I give him town credit for the Calix/Tumble is unlikely stuff but it's not a full clear. Same goes for Rels, someone said that it would've been a big risk for scum!Rels to make the wagon 3-3 with a AFK Calix. but then again, a Rels/Calix scumteam feels weird given the level of afk'ness that both have/had. My main pain points on Shape are hedging and committing to the wrong wagon. But: he could've voted with Tumbe/Sicklucker as there was (imho) no way more people would pile on TW. I wasn't in thread and thread wasn't interested in Tumble. Maybe it's just town paranoia. My top townreads do vote for shape. So while I'm still paranoid, it's okay I guess. ##vote Shapelog Those were just the ones I felt like quoting. Since the night phase to now, you have stated multiple reasons to find the suspect pool currently to be townie. I understand revising your reads, but I really have a hard time following what your reads are period. Honestly, looking at all the posts, you dont seem to have any confident scumreads at all. They all seem to have wishy washy statements thrown in with reasoning on why they seem townie, | ||
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darthfoley
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##unvote ##vote Beentheredonethat | ||
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darthfoley
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Shapelog
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On April 10 2017 02:16 darthfoley wrote: Let's do it ##unvote ##vote Beentheredonethat What ever happen to this? I think your reasoning kind of lines up with what SL and I have already pointed out. Which idk how to feel about. I get what you're saying but you could just be trying to wiggle out. | ||
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Shapelog
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Imprudently votes another person ???? Proft. | ||
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darthfoley
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On April 10 2017 02:18 Shapelog wrote: What ever happen to this? Nothing happened to it. It's still a possibility but I actually like the content of your posts recently. They seem a lot more focused than your posts were earlier and I don't like how everyone has fucked off today as soon as 6 votes were placed on you | ||
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darthfoley
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darthfoley
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On April 09 2017 18:07 beentheredonethat wrote: Hi. voting shape seems to be the obvious thing. Worth a try but I am paranoid over Shape being town. There are some things in his filter that feel a lot like it and people might be tunneled. We're down to one scum, so we have 7 town votes and 1 scum votes. That means that the scum vote isn't that relevant anymore. I think Tumble might get too easy town credit. Yes I know that I give him town credit for the Calix/Tumble is unlikely stuff but it's not a full clear. Same goes for Rels, someone said that it would've been a big risk for scum!Rels to make the wagon 3-3 with a AFK Calix. but then again, a Rels/Calix scumteam feels weird given the level of afk'ness that both have/had. My main pain points on Shape are hedging and committing to the wrong wagon. But: he could've voted with Tumbe/Sicklucker as there was (imho) no way more people would pile on TW. I wasn't in thread and thread wasn't interested in Tumble. Maybe it's just town paranoia. My top townreads do vote for shape. So while I'm still paranoid, it's okay I guess. ##vote Shapelog Why do you need to write an essay just to not change who you're voting for? but then again, a Rels/Calix scumteam feels weird given the level of afk'ness that both have/had. Why does that feel "weird?" What does "weird" even mean in this context? | ||
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Shapelog
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On April 10 2017 02:22 darthfoley wrote: Nothing happened to it. It's still a possibility but I actually like the content of your posts recently. They seem a lot more focused than your posts were earlier and I don't like how everyone has fucked off today as soon as 6 votes were placed on you Yeah that troubles me as well. Been really troubling for me honestly with certain individuals Hence y I want me to get lynched lol. On April 10 2017 02:24 darthfoley wrote: Like even the people who are skeptical that Shapelog is mafia aren't putting in any work to figure it out. I understand the laziness involved with having like 3 mislynches available or something but btdt comes in an sort of null reads his 3 scum reads and then doesn't do any more digging Well tbh, I just don't see him having any confidence in his reads plus the whole wishy washy posts just dont come off well to me now that I noticed how bad it was. His progression on me also might be off but I got to double check that. | ||
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darthfoley
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On April 08 2017 18:36 beentheredonethat wrote: I think Rels piling on Calix, making it 4v2, clears him. Rels voting Tumble, making it 3-3 with others voting outside of it, would've been scummy as fuck. This read also makes no sense. 1) Rels piling on Calix, making it 4v2, clears him. 2) Rels voting on Tumble to make it 3-3 would've been scummy as fuck 3) So Rels is cleared because he didn't do the clearly "scummy as fuck" option 4) What would Rels gain by doing the clearly "scummy as fuck" option, if he were scum? 5) Even if you believe Rels would try to pull off the "too scummy to be scum" mind game, why would him voting Calix "clear him?" | ||
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darthfoley
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Shapelog
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On April 10 2017 02:37 darthfoley wrote: I guess everyone else thinks that Shapelog is just giving it the good old fight... by himself... in the thread for 6 hours before his lynch I have a day and 6 hours. Also yea, I'm pretty sure they do lol. And I dont blame them at all. | ||
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darthfoley
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Shapelog
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BTDT saw me as town/or townish before the flip due to being active and etc. [quote][QUOTE]On April 08 2017 04:04 beentheredonethat wrote: I like Shape's posts. They seem to make sense. Then again they also seem to always summarize what others do/did and they might lack original value. I'm too tired right now to really dive Shape's filter and check but it might be an incentive for [insert whoever is willing to do the work][/QUOTE] Does go on later to say he suppose to be SR me based off as well based off his view on tumble, but then turns it around and says that is not the case After flip, I become who he wants to lynch after he crosses off (at that time) tumble and SL. He also later states that he does not feel certain on me at this point. I remain in that position all the way up to his last post where he votes me, while also weaking his read on tumble and rels. The weaken part concerns me, bc it feels almost as if he is trying to be in a position to go after whom ever the thread chooses to go for after my lynch. This would explain why his posts have been hedgey after calix flipped, and explain the lack of confidence if it is coming from scum!BTDT. Agree? Disagree? Thoughts? | ||
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Shapelog
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On April 10 2017 02:47 darthfoley wrote: oh right, another indicator of why i'm not a math major I can be good with math when I want too or make a error that is like 40% away from the actual %. | ||
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beentheredonethat
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On April 09 2017 22:53 Shapelog wrote: That i made. Seriously tho, Where are you actually with tumble and Rels? This post tells me nothing bc ironically ur wishy washing in it. Why is the afk scum team weird when you dont know the factors of it? It is pretty clear that I started to townread Tumble from my previous posts. It is pretty clear that I townread Rels for voting 4-2 instead of 3-3. Yes, it's not in the post you quoted. BUT it is in the posts I already made during the night. So - no, I am not wishy washy in it. A afk scum team would be weird because it's really hard to read into. I clearly express that I am okay with voting you, Shape, and I am content in following my top townreads. I am NOT being wishy washy because I ALSO say that I do have doubts about you being scum. Which is pretty normal. I don't know how you can say that I'm wishy washy there. Only way to do it is if you completely discard my posts during the night. | ||
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darthfoley
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Ok so darth: BTDT saw me as town/or townish before the flip due to being active and etc. [quote][QUOTE]On April 08 2017 04:04 beentheredonethat wrote: I like Shape's posts. They seem to make sense. Then again they also seem to always summarize what others do/did and they might lack original value. I'm too tired right now to really dive Shape's filter and check but it might be an incentive for [insert whoever is willing to do the work][/QUOTE] Does go on later to say he suppose to be SR me based off as well based off his view on tumble, but then turns it around and says that is not the case After flip, I become who he wants to lynch after he crosses off (at that time) tumble and SL. He also later states that he does not feel certain on me at this point. I remain in that position all the way up to his last post where he votes me, while also weaking his read on tumble and rels. The weaken part concerns me, bc it feels almost as if he is trying to be in a position to go after whom ever the thread chooses to go for after my lynch. This would explain why his posts have been hedgey after calix flipped, and explain the lack of confidence if it is coming from scum!BTDT. Agree? Disagree? Thoughts?[/QUOTE] | ||
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