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 Nice seeing you again, mate. | ||
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On March 17 2017 07:01 Xatalos wrote: Well, hi. You town this time? | ||
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On March 17 2017 07:03 DeepBlueSea89 wrote: Hi. This is my first game here and I'm not really sure how things get started off here but I'm wondering if everyone could share their alignment preference. Would help me see how high I need to set the bar when reading them. I prefer town. Mostly shit-posting until someone does something scummy/ dumb and then the game just goes from there. I am going to take a wild bet and guess that the majority of players, myself included, will prefer town | ||
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On March 17 2017 07:15 Damdred wrote: Hello my sexy people. I have miiiiiissed some of you very much. As for my favorite alignment it would be scum, there is just more of a challenge with a good list of winning with scum than if your town and can coast in the same situation. As for right now xata is scum. ##vote xatalos Nice to see you too  What makes you think that? He hasn't even brought out the hedges...yet | ||
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On March 17 2017 07:25 disformation wrote: Was expecting something better tbh. Like something about Eden baiting with setup talk and xata instantly being like "so to make it official: you are either bsing or are one of these blue roles?" How exactly is that better in your eyes? | ||
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And got your arse MLed on D1. What's your rationale behind doing nothing until D2? | ||
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On March 17 2017 07:34 Xatalos wrote: lolrayn I don't get it  | ||
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On March 17 2017 07:34 disformation wrote: who? eden or xata? dont think i have played with eden before. opening is 50/50. tries to give the thread something to work with and gtfos. it is mechanical/setup talk though, so easy to do as scum. xata biting immediately is only something i found after reading his posts like 3 times with a "why could he be scum" mindset. That's a lot of words for "his claim is NAI" fam. Why is Xat's response more likely scum than town? | ||
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On March 17 2017 07:36 Koshi wrote: Ah that game. Yeah. That was not my fault. I also got shot the first night in my 5 last games that not included. Or the last 5 nights I was alive. You could try doing what I am doing and just start playing less townie in general...instead of sandbagging it entirely. | ||
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On March 17 2017 07:42 disformation wrote: Where did I say that Xat's response is more likely scum? I said I read his filter with a "why could he be scum" mindset, to see where damdred could be coming from. -.- You said earlier that the only thing you found was the smiley thing so when you made the Xat comment, I assumed that was a scum-read. But since you're not claiming that, you might as well explain what you DID get from his filter. | ||
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On March 17 2017 07:44 disformation wrote: wtf that smiley thing was damdy and I already explained what i got from the filter. Your tone seems hostile here which is uncalled for since all I did was ask if you had anything from your Xatalos filter-dive. I don't see how that warrants your 'wtf' | ||
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On March 17 2017 07:54 disformation wrote: *sigh* Like xata had like 3 posts at this time, so the only reason (imo) damdy could have had to SR xata would have been in the reaction about the setup stuff. which is possible to come from scum. i personally went bleh. which is why went like "well its better than smilies, but still crap" (which is why i didnt do anything about it) in the opposite direction is the question whether damdies "push" on xata could be a scum push, but upon his explanation and no vote being in the voting thread I think its more likely damdy wanted to get some discussion/shit started. Okay, I'm starting to think you're mafia from your reactions here. Nothing to do with what you're saying, really, it's more that you sound very tense and defensive and like you have a massive stick up your arse for no real reason once people started engaging with you. It's a different vibe from what I get from Damdred and Xatalos who seem more chill and willing to get shit done. ##vote disformation | ||
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On March 17 2017 07:58 disformation wrote: #selfmeta: read any of my games. they are found in my profile. =D Sure, it's possible I am just misreading you based on something that's NAI for you...but I feel like the chat was more chill and then you disrupted that vibe and you're on the defense a lot. So I'm more inclined to think you're mafia until you actually do something, lol. | ||
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On March 17 2017 08:01 Koshi wrote: I am not reading the thread. Sorry. I tried to read it but didn't get passed page 1 yet. If you are just going to be useless then can you kindly fuck off and not post? It would be ten times more helpful since you've probably hit your minimum post requirements. | ||
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On March 17 2017 08:06 Damdred wrote: Ok so since dis going to go for a bit. I think xata and cal are both town right now. Deepblue is moving towards scummy territory with the fearless read of koshi being town for no real reason I guess? I don't know whether to be happy or apprehensive that I'm actually getting town vibes from you this game, lol. Yeah, I can see a world where a scum!Blue says that to try and appease someone engaging with him/ her. Not sure though, would appreciate it if they looked at the filters in the OP and used that to give a read on someone? If they're having a hard time keeping up, ofc. | ||
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On March 17 2017 08:18 Damdred wrote: Pst koshi you violating your 92 hour rule bro I actually think he could be town for that. Only because it's like he can't help but post ITT even when he doesn't want to and scum generally don't have that impulse But I can't tell whether this read is bullshit or brilliant -.- | ||
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On March 17 2017 08:18 DeepBlueSea89 wrote: It just seemed like an easy jump and the thought process felt shallow. Here's how I see it: 1. Scum typically lurk (at least more often than not) and I've scumread people in the past who answer irrelevant fluff questions without participating in the major discussion in the thread at the time especially early on in the game. 2. Koshi asked me a question. 3. I ignore everything else (the discussion between Xatalos and Damdred for instance) and respond to that pretty much instantly. 4. This shows I was reading the thread and refreshing it fairly often even if I'm not commenting. That's more often than not something scum do although there were extenuating circumstances here. 5. Koshi picked up on it and asked why I was lurking. That showed me he was on the lookout for possible scum even outside the major thread of discussion. So, I think he's probably town. It's not solid but that's the best read I have this early on. 6. Damdred I think missed the subtext entirely. He just threw out a shallow read "oh, he's appeasing someone who engaged him so he could be scum." It's just an easy read on someone he thinks would be an easy target. He doesn't really wonder why I townread Koshi or even straight up ask me. Why are you townreading Damdred? Tah for the explanation, it's good to see where you're coming from. I'm not spotting any logical inconsistencies in your logic so I have no problem with your Koshi interaction atm. As for Damdred, it's mostly tone. He's chill, not defensive or overly antagonistic or trying to blend in or be disruptive. And he looks like he's trying to get shit done ITT. That's the gist of it, basically. | ||
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disformation is where it's at. He was on the defensive the entire time while everyone else hasn't been once they've climbed out of their shells. (this was kinda why I wanted Koshi's take on the disfo/ Xat/ DD thing but oh well) | ||
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It's not really based on filter-diving or whatever. I just feel like everyone who is talking right now is posting without an agenda and is just saying what they have so far and is being reasonable and helping the town. So imo we shouldn't lynch among Xat/ DD/ Koshi/ Blue today. Does this sound really premature? Maybe but that's my impressions of the 'atmosphere' of the game so far so I'm pretty confident here. Don't feel like the chat is very mafia-influenced right now. If this doesn't make sense then ask away. I feel like a hippie right now xD | ||
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On March 17 2017 08:45 Koshi wrote: disformation hasn't made a really bad post yet. Damdred made 2. Who needs one really bad post when you can have a generally crappy overall filter? Kinda surprised you haven't picked up on how incredibly defensive disformation was tbqh. His opening posts were blendy, then he segued into a hard-to-follow discussion, then reacted poorly to my 'questioning' and then fucked off. I don't see how Damdred is comparable. | ||
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On March 17 2017 08:55 Koshi wrote: Yes. Disformation his filter is crappy. But is he mafia? Dunno. Why don't you vote for him and find out? | ||
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How is that 'since dis is going to go for a bit' line bad? If he said that and then shit-talked disformation then I'd see your point but all Damdred does is give reads. That seems more town to me. Pretty weak imo. | ||
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@Koshi, your only remotely valid point is that Damdred hasn't talked much about disformation so I will await his response there. Otherwise I stand by what I said earlier. | ||
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On March 17 2017 09:29 Koshi wrote: Well. It is quite obvious you are basing your Xata and Calix townread on what they said about disformation. Or at least are hinting on that. But the only pressure you put against disformation was some cynical comment somewhere. Which wasn't the worst when I first read it. But meh. Not sure if I like it now. And then he leaves and you still don't share your read on disformation? Just lazy townreads on who attacked him. Meh. I dislike it. I disagree with the bolded. He didn't give any indication as to why we were town-reads. His opening line does not correlate with the next line. They are given separately. Given that this is the crux of your argument here, I think your conclusion is misguided and elusive. "Meh meh" kind of thing. | ||
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On March 17 2017 09:35 darthfoley wrote: Useless qualifier that is attempting to scum read someone while also defending a walk back later by saying it was off "vibes." I always find the "player X person is 'defensive' = they're mafia!" such an easy read for mafia to make early game especially. The read feels forced and similar to scum!Calix of last game I played with her. lol DF, this is terrible. Saying that my read is based off 'vibes' isn't a qualifier. It means that it's not based on any particular post or grounded in logic. It's also not something that I did a lot when I was mafia with you so that's just factually incorrect. The fact that you're trying to sell that as me 'backtracking' is a stretch so big that you'll be placing first in the Olympic Gymnastics. | ||
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On March 17 2017 09:39 Koshi wrote: Like I don't even know why you are defending Damdred... Let him do it himself as soon as he figures out why he is scumreading disformation lool I'm attacking your argument because I think it's weak and I have no idea how you think it's better than the case on disformation. The fact that it's focused on Damdred is secondary to that. | ||
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And what do you think of DF? I think his posts on me are fucking terrible but I'm incredibly biased and it's also possible that DF came out of that mafia game and now thinks he knows everything about my scum meta. But that doesn't explain why he's using it as a replacement for actual analysis though | ||
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On March 17 2017 09:48 Koshi wrote: Damdred is making bad posts when it matters. Scumhunting (rayn example). Pressuring (where?). And explaining his reads. (what I said). But looks "ok" in his other posts. disformation his filter looks plain horrible. Could he be mafia? Yes. Could he be town? Yes. Is mafia going to backseat push him then? Yes. Your logic about disformation just as easily applies to Damdred given that he's the leading train and you, a supposed townie, are pushing him, yet you do not consider this. Why? | ||
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On March 17 2017 09:48 darthfoley wrote: That wasn't the qualifier I was talking about, rather, it was the unnecessary way in which you began your read by telling us what your read wasn't, rather than what it was. "Nothing to do with what you're saying, really..." It's an awkward way of wording something and doesn't feel natural to me. That's still not backtracking. All it is saying is "it's not what disfo said, it's how he said it" but in a casual way. Unless you step up your analysis, I'm not impressed with you so far. | ||
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On March 17 2017 09:51 darthfoley wrote: lol can someone link me to a time someone accused calix of being scummy without her immediately solar flare flaming you, Maze Runner style? +1 for Maze Runner reference. | ||
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On March 17 2017 09:56 darthfoley wrote: Tell me where I said you were backtracking now? ??? How would me saying "lol it's his tone/ vibes" or whatever = a way for me to avoid accountability later? I'm still the person championing disformation's wagon right now - a clear contradiction to this idea. If you're not arguing that then I don't understand what your point was to begin with. | ||
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I'm not 100% sure on disformation or anywhere close but he's the person who has stuck out to me the most so I'd like to hear more from him when he wakes up or whatever. Plenty to talk about at this stage tbh. | ||
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On March 17 2017 10:07 darthfoley wrote: Reading the thread enough to vote, but not posting anything of substance. #LurkModeInitiated Is Raynpelikoneet also scummy to you? If not, why? | ||
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On March 17 2017 10:14 darthfoley wrote: About as null as possible. The few times I have played with rayn, he's been NK N0/1, so maybe this trolling style is a way of furthering himself in the game. You equated his playstyle with Koshi's in the scum QT last game, and I can kinda see the similarities: brash, in your face, takes charge etc. He's also quite good at it, so I don't really understand the scum!rayn motivation to trolling early on, unless he just doesn't give a shit for some reason. I always feel like mafia is in the best position if they control the topic of conversation, which he hasn't even tried to do. He's also not helping town at all, so although I have some theorycraft of optimal mafia play, he's super null I also see it as null, just mildly annoying. It would be an extremely lame scum tactic but that's about it. You seem to remember the scum Skype chat better than I do. I can't remember what I said in that, lol. Also I'm pretty sure I am already hitting three pages with this post. I should probably go to bed soon and stop spamming. | ||
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On March 17 2017 17:49 disformation wrote: I have a huge problem with this post, as none of that makes me scum and calix knows this. context: she was a cohost in my last town game where I was super defensive and reacting bad to pressure a lot. I actually nuked myself in the end. I kinda like that she put '' around the questioning, because the whole line of that was posting something about me that was not true and then scumreading me, when I call her out on that. + Show Spoiler + On March 17 2017 07:43 Calix wrote: You said earlier that the only thing you found was the smiley thing so when you made the Xat comment, I assumed that was a scum-read. But since you're not claiming that, you might as well explain what you DID get from his filter. On March 17 2017 07:46 Calix wrote: Your tone seems hostile here which is uncalled for since all I did was ask if you had anything from your Xatalos filter-dive. I don't see how that warrants your 'wtf' Can you guys explain your TR on her? Cause I think her push on me is a scum push and otherwise she only has posted a bunch, most of which ended in her calling everyone town or going nowhere. Using a game where I already knew your alignment is retarded, especially as I am more used to seeing you in obs QT and not in-game. I also don't see how this makes you town as opposed to it being NAI. I don't want an answer to that btw. Just stop bitching/ OMGUSing and actually contribute something. This would literally address half of my case against you which is that you're responding to people but not doing anything. FWIW I picked up on you because it initially felt like you were blending, then when I was reading the chat, you stuck out to me due to your tone compared to everyone else and I pushed there. Simple stuff. "most of which ended in her calling everyone town" Explain scum motivation for calling multiple people town this early on and stating that I do not want to lynch them today. I'd like to see the inevitable bullshit which is sure to come. | ||
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On March 17 2017 18:03 disformation wrote: btdt did the same thing (seeing that i am very defensive / don't react to pressure very well as host/cohost and then using it against me as scum) so i dont think it is retarded at all. shitty pushes on me generally come from scum more often that from town. i thought your case against me was that you dont like my tone? where do you say that your problem is me not contributing anything? K but I'm not pushing you to make you tilt. If you read, you'll see that I am literally asking you to contribute. Nice try at avoiding my request, can't answer it? I said early on that you 'were on the defense a lot'. Looking at that now, I guess that doesn't really convey my "you're not contributing much of your own" point though. + Show Spoiler + Explain scum motivation for calling multiple people town this early on and stating that I do not want to lynch them today. I'd like to see the inevitable bullshit which is sure to come. Are you scum-reading DF, for example? Do you have any opinions on Xatalos and Damdred? Damdred's train? Malongo not voting on the main trains? raynpelikoneet's latest post??? Like come on, this is basic-bitch-tier. Seriously, you have 2 pages of filter and you have yet to do anything game-solving. Amazing. Meanwhile I - the supposed ""mafia"" - am running circles around your bitch arse. | ||
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On March 17 2017 18:05 disformation wrote: 1) Push someone weak so you have a scum read 2) get lazy and give the rest lazy town reads 3) "look how much work i already did" if shit happens you can still easily backtrack, since its early and the trs where fairly weak in the first place You've never been mislynched and you know I know this yet you're trying to claim that you're 'weak'. Calling bullshit. I was 100% the first person to scum-read you and the only person who really agrees with me is Xatalos. The rest of your reasons are painting my actions in a scummy light with no backing. Try again. | ||
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On March 17 2017 18:07 disformation wrote: Brings me to another point: for me being fairly NAI which you admitted here: You seem pretty bend on calling me scum, without room for consideration. I've said about three times now that I am willing to reconsider if you ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING. You keep painting me as scum...instead of doing the something. Given this, I really don't see how this makes sense from town POV. | ||
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Damdred Xatalos DeepBlueSea89 Koshi + Show Spoiler + Even if you think Damdred/ Xatalos are mafia, they're still doing stuff and that's better than 90% of the players so killing them on D1 is sub-optimal play. raynpelikoneet + Show Spoiler + Mostly for his Batman post where he takes some stances on the players. Malongo + Show Spoiler + Initially liked his paranoia over the trains (having two tight wagons this early is notable) but would have to see more elaboration on this idea to tell for sure. [Eden1892/ Onegu/ Rels] + Show Spoiler + I don't consider claims to be AI. Tumblewood + Show Spoiler + I feel like his posts have more mafia motivation than the other nulls (e.g., popping in, giving some easy town-reads and then criticising Damdred's town circle - it's more of a mafia narrative than a town one atm but nothing definitive). darthfoley + Show Spoiler + I'm biased towards scum-reading darthfoley so I'll try to give him a fair shot when he appears again. disformation + Show Spoiler + Same here. I am going to let disformation do whatever and focus elsewhere for the time being. | ||
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On March 17 2017 21:20 disformation wrote: back to working. random thought on xata though: i dont think it would make sense for both xata and calix to be scum and go ham on me like that. Question. You have similar reads to myself. Has this factored into your analysis and if not, why? Some of them are weirdly similar. Your TW read is almost identical to mine. | ||
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On March 17 2017 22:40 Damdred wrote: I think mal posts are suspect and I think he ignored my post about who the scum were on dis and my wagons at the time having an easy time. Id put him in the scummy category. Tumble is interesting I think, chides me for trying to form a town circle when that's exactly what I do early every game and I'm almost always right. I think it's just super weird way to go about it especially without explaining why I'm wrong on the vets I wanted to town read. Bottom of null for me. As for your question xata, he just has no deviation from his story idk if I see scum doing it without trying to backtrack meh. Also where did deep go, just kinda peace out once people stopped suspecting him and hasn't been back. Not saying lunch able just worrying. On March 17 2017 22:51 disformation wrote: mal is fairly 50/50 to me. On one hand I kinda like him coming in being like "your wagons suck, imma make my own wagon with black jack and coke", on the other nothing he really says has a whole lot of substance. Like incredible hard to tell if he is town, really not liking the wagons, or if he is scum not wanting to comment on them. Do you have any other reasons to scum-read DF outside of him ignoring your discussion? I would like to see DF/ Malongo get stuck in more but that is about it. On the one hand, deviating from the status quo gets Malongo attention. On the other hand, he's just voting for raynpelikoneet because of his early-game trolling (which reminds him of another game). So he's not risking much there since there's no pressure for him to persuade people to vote in that direction and it doesn't help his stated "don't lynch Damdred/ disformation" goal. It's weak. | ||
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On March 17 2017 23:20 disformation wrote: Well, it gives df a higher chance at being scum than tw or mal, so yes. Not sure about the mal stuff, are you saying it is more likely scum than 50/50, or are you agreeing on the 50/50? Now that I'm not in OMGUSville, I'm not as sure on DF as I was. I was considering whether Malongo's words line up with his actions and concluded no, so the former. | ||
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On March 17 2017 23:24 Tumblewood wrote: ya but he's still too early to read I was null on all of them. there are reasons I could claim scum/town on one of them but they are pretty lame Since the dead pigeon outside my window has done more scum-hunting than you have, don't hold back then. Going "it's too early to read XYZ" is anti-town. | ||
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On March 18 2017 01:18 Tumblewood wrote: calix & disfo are town I liked dbs but that read's back to null again after a disappointing continuation malongo is a slight town lean I like rayn and xata by gut buuut I can't explain why Damdred is ok? Koshi too no one who is actually playing is striking me as scummy so I might just park my vote on onegu Skimming the thread while catching up but TW might be town for that last line. I'm having similar thoughts about the thread too TBH. | ||
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What I did get out of that was disfo doing shit without needing someone ramming a stick up his arse, at least. ##unvote | ||
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On March 18 2017 00:19 darthfoley wrote: on page 15 but I don't like how disformation is scum reading me for one one-liner early game when I realized I was wrong about something. also the fact that I am somewhat suspicious of calix, disformation brings up kinda the same points on her, then scum reads both of us. just weird progression overall. I agree with those who said Tumblewood's entrance was scummy. His initial reasoning for any reads seemed pretty bleh A not-terrible post from darthfoley. #371 (post about Mal) is also similar to what I am thinking. Maybe too similar? Dunno, I feel like I am agreeing with too many people this game already or vice versa, lol. 2. I get so fucking triggered anytime one of you fuckers uses anal/cursing/emotion to town read someone. It's literally the easiest thing to do over forum mafia. ASK LIGHTNINGSTRIKE THEN ASK ME AND RELS IF IT IS A TOWN TELL Ahahahahaha + Show Spoiler + On March 18 2017 00:31 Xatalos wrote: I don't like this post much. It basically feels like forced/fake aggro. Pushing a pool of players with any reason, no matter how (in)significant, just to push them. 1) The Damdred part is very weak. First of all, it's a bit too much to say that Eden's opening was obviously 100% NAI. In addition, even if it was 100% NAI, it's not a scummy thing to ask people for opinions on a sudden "big event". Their reaction could be possibly more significant than the event itself. Especially if there isn't much else to talk about yet. 2) On second thoughts, the Malongo part isn't that bad. Just not strong/convincing. 3) As for the points on me... I'm not sure how not decrypting his roleplaying posts or "not having an agenda" are scummy things to do. I would think the scum team would be much more likely to do either of those. I assumed the votes were troll votes since they were unreasoned and accompanied by Murloc sounds. (Rayn: I must have missed Koshi town reading you. Not sure if it was before my post though. In any case, an exception doesn't overrule the general sentiment.) -> At first I was half-convinced rayn was scum, but now I'm not sure again. I thought this post by Xatalos was really townie since his progression from "rayn's mafia" to "wait, not so sure" throughout the post seems genuine. This disfo/ Xat thing seems incredibly overblown. I hope we're finished with that now, lol. Anyway, I'm a bit conflicted at the moment. On the one hand, most players seem townie and are agreeing with each other, having similar thoughts, etc. I can see TW, DF, disformation, etc, being townies. On the other hand, it seems too easy for the low-posters to have the majority of the scummers. Stellar logic here, I know, but whatever. Dunno, maybe I am just paranoid. | ||
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On March 18 2017 02:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: Maybe Calix is mafia after all. Or Tumblewood. Idk. I find it quite irritating he got out of her scumread on disformation and then has nothing to say about anything in thread. Like there LITERALLY has to be mafia posting in the thread even in case of Rels + Onegu being 2/3 scum. I was catching up again as I said in my post? | ||
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I think that's way more likely to come from town unless Xatalos consciously chose to structure his post that way as mafia. | ||
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On March 18 2017 02:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes, but he called me possible mafia after that. I don't think that's relevant. I found that a really townie post. Not much more to say about it. I'm not expecting you to agree with my logic though. I just tend to pick up on individual posts. Going back to your earlier point, you're correct that I need to revise my reads. Having 3/4 of the scummers among Malongo/ Eden/ Rels/ Onegu is extremely unlikely which means I'm being too lenient with my town-reads. But I would still lynch among those four right now since none of them have town potential atm. | ||
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So I don't see how Damdred asking a dumb question alone makes him mafia. You've made your point but it lacks that "this is how it helps mafia" point for me to find it persuasive. And I don't see how Xatalos saying that is mafia by itself either. Being wrong isn't a scum tell unless it's done to push some kind of agenda and I don't see that. | ||
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Sure. ##vote Malongo | ||
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I think I get your point but I don't get how it makes him mafia and I'm not sure that I'm going to. To save you the bother of explaining yourself yet again, I will keep your posts in mind when I filter-dive later. | ||
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On March 18 2017 02:50 Calix wrote: So he asked a meaningless question which didn't advance the conversation then? I think I get your point but I don't get how it makes him mafia and I'm not sure that I'm going to. To save you the bother of explaining yourself yet again, I will keep your posts in mind when I filter-dive later. ^^this was about Damdred | ||
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On March 18 2017 02:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: I get what you're saying: Did you read this: What would you think about this? If i made a post like this what would you think? I would think that it's logically fallacious and worth investigating. I wouldn't necessarily think it was scum. How are you reading Damdred's responses to this topic overall, with that in mind? Can you see some coherent town narrative? Inconsistent explanations? Incredibly scummy, pls lynch? | ||
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On March 18 2017 02:55 Damdred wrote: At least 2 mafia in mal, onegu, rels, df, Eden. Everyone else has a reason I don't want to Lynch today. I kinda expect one mafia in my town reads but I hope not. Since DF has posted a fair amount, can you expand on your read here? | ||
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On March 18 2017 03:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am thinking this: Damdred asks a question where answers are: - disformation says bad town (wrong answer) - disformation says scum (wrong answer) - disformation says (NAI - wrong answer because "you sure have an opinion on that") Those are the only possible answers disformation can give. Now if every answer is wrong in the first place then Damdred should already have a conclusion or a lead on his alignment withouth the question. The only thing he can do with the answer is to call disformation out. Can you see why this is not a townie thought process? Later on he backs off. This is something that doesn't make him mafia but it makes sense as scum when me and Koshi are already calling him out of it. I don't see any substance in his other posting. I think I see where we're not clicking here a bit. You scum-hunt by looking for ways that people 'can't be town' while I tend to look for things that 'scum are more likely to do/ scum would only do'. So your third line (bolded) 'clicks' with me. Makes some sense from scum POV. Why wouldn't he follow up on that if his intentions were to accuse disformation though? He didn't really care about the early pressure on disformation and didn't vote for him even when Damdred was a leading wagon iirc. I also disagree with the last line. He's one of the more proactive people here imo. That doesn't necessarily make him town but it does make him a poor choice for a D1 lynch when we still have a fair few low-posters. So of your scum reads, Malongo is a better choice for a lynch. | ||
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On March 18 2017 03:18 Eden1892 wrote: I cut a couple posts in-between, but as far as I can tell, disformation's comment was about Damdred and not Xatalos. disformation is saying that he was unimpressed with Damdred's reasoning for voting Xatalos and not Xatalos's reaction to my opener. Yet for some reason the conversation plays out as though disformation were talking about Xatalos's reaction to me: ... Calix, why didn't you question disformation further once it became clear that there was a misunderstanding regarding what disformation was saying? Why did you cop out to a tone-based scumread that isn't actually alignment-indicative? Simple - because it wasn't clear. Until you made this post, it didn't even occur to me that disformation might have been talking about Damdred when he made that post. (I stopped giving a shit a while ago) But hey, at least you diagnosed the root cause of the misunderstanding. | ||
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On March 18 2017 03:58 Xatalos wrote: Well, it's also true that he hasn't really done anything. Just that his "complaint" post wasn't that bad like I thought before. Wasn't Rayn the person who first put forth that idea? I thought it was a decent-ish point as well. | ||
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On March 18 2017 04:01 Eden1892 wrote: I'm trying, and mostly there, but you people use too many words to communicate too many ideas and Safari browser makes keeping up basically impossible bc you can't jump to page reasonably. Hilarious that anybody thinks this group of gossips can get bogged down by any line of discussion lol. I'm not trying to bog down shit, I want answers. Why did you suddenly stop caring about your argument when you got the answer you needed and why did you start making these nebulous tone claims that you acknowledged yourself are possibly NAI as a reason to vote somebody? Fascinating but I see no reason to care about what you think since you're making things more complicated than they are and keep shoving leading questions down my throat. I've already said that disformation stuck out to me due to how he was acting and I voted. Then we argued again over his lack of doing shit. Then he started doing shit on his own and I unvoted. Simple. "that you acknowledged yourself are possibly NAI" You answer your own question with the word 'possibly'. I don't know whether it was NAI or not for sure so I engaged with disformation to find out. This is basic as fuck and I can't believe you thought this was a good thing to ask. | ||
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How the fuck am I supposed to respond to that?! I'm not you, thank the Lord, and there's no One True Way for town to play. Ta dah, I have countered your 'case' in five minutes. If you think I missed anything then pls bulletpoint because reading your rambling walls of pretentious crap is giving me a migraine. | ||
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On March 18 2017 04:56 disformation wrote: eden is slightly confusing me in a "the me of this morning would like/agree/post the same stuff" way. Hm? | ||
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On March 18 2017 04:57 Eden1892 wrote: I don't have a lot yet and I'm sure outside of Calix, none of it is interesting. Top town is Xatalos followed shortly by rayn and Koshi. Top scum is Calix. Damdred has said a lot without a lot jumping out at me one way or another. I don't recall having this much difficulty discerning any feeling about his alignment when he's one of the more active posters in the thread before. Not really sure what to make of it yet, and to be fair to him, my relative disconnectedness from this game compared to past ones on here is probably to blame. I think disformation is lock town if I'm right about Calix. Pretty sure Calix is scum and spewed disfo town. Loved this post by disfo as well: I don't get the Malongo wagon having so many votes. He's a giant blank right now and it's weird that a wagon on a straight null poster got so much traction so quick. Makes me think that there were multiple mafia driving the early discussion and managed to get attention centered on a townie with weak/no thread presence. The alternative is that Malongo is mafia and his team can't do anything to stop the town, in which case this game is easy and I'm not worried anyway. That's about all I got that I think matters right now. If you're already using pre-flip associations and getting tunnel vision re: me before anyone has even flipped then your reads are going to be so off it's not even funny. What do you actually think of Malongo himself? Why exactly he is null to you? | ||
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On March 18 2017 05:09 disformation wrote: just feels weird reading him post stuff very similar to what I was posting earlier today. deja vu like. not sure what to make of it. hes also ignoring other stuff you did like the interactions with rayn. def. liked his overall reads post more than that. Wouldn't that count as him mind-melding with you, thus a town-read in your eyes then? I think his case against me is fundamentally flawed since he assumes that townies have a Specific Way of playing as town but I don't think it's mafia-motivated. Way too much focus on the context and you can see how he thinks. Which means we have quite a problem on our hands re: too many townie-looking people. It's extremely unlikely, statistically speaking, that Rels/ Onegu are two of the mafia so I think we're dealing with a vet or two as mafia. | ||
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On March 18 2017 05:11 Eden1892 wrote: You forgot the parts where: - your reasoning was bunk - you got really pissy for no reason when I tried to understand where you were coming from. I hope I made that short enough for your attention span, let me know if I need to break it down further. And hey, if y'all are gonna post 400 comments a day and give me a migraine, you can suffer through some long-winded sentences every now and then. Seems fair. If you're so worried about little ole me voting for you, you can make a good case for Malongo being mafia. I don't actually get where that's coming from and I see you parked there, so maybe if you're town you can do us both a favor by showing me what I'm missing about Malongo and about you with a good case. If not, I can keep doing my thing here and that's fine by me. Your call. I'm not annoyed, that's my charm and wit showing. Swearing =/= anger. My main point on Malongo is that his main action so far (voting Rayn for NAI reasons - trolling) goes against his stated aim of trying to save Damdred and disformation. Why? Because Malongo's reasoning for voting for Rayn is extremely unlikely to persuade anyone to switch off DD/ disfo. He doesn't explain why the individual players are town either. It's like he's pretending to care and look cautious while not ACTUALLY trying to change the outcome. Make sense? And no, I'm not going to make a town case on myself. If you stop saying retarded shit like that then I might stop calling you an idiot and cooperate | ||
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On March 18 2017 05:19 disformation wrote: TBH I never 100% understood that mindmeld stuff. The thing is: if I still was scumreading you, there would be a case for that, but I think I was a bit omgus inflicted earlier today and liked your interactions with rayn for example. but yeah unless it is straight up rels/1eg/malongo, which would be fairly lulz, we kinda have a little problem on our hand. I think I might have to reconsider the validity of mind-melding after this game. I've had too many moments where people have agreed with me and vice versa already. Well since three people think my early interactions with you were problematic then the logical conclusion is that I fucked up there, probably with misunderstanding you re: what Eden pointed out. But that's my cross to bear. And you say it's a problem, but I prefer the term 'challenge'. Difficult game state, not being insta-town-read/ N1'd, playing with the pros...I am actually pretty hyped for this game. | ||
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On March 18 2017 05:35 disformation wrote: so some random thoughts about what/who I might have missed. not sure if ill completely sort it out today, but dunno some ideas what i could have been missing / want to reconsider tomorrow: a) rayn and koshi are right on damdred after all b) tw got cut too much slack c) its someone i am not considering at all atm A) Possible, will filter him soonish. I did defend him a lot earlier and then never really paid him mind afterwards, should look at what he's done lately. B) Have just looked over TW's filter. He isn't doing a lot except for giving town reads and admits to having no scum reads. That's not necessarily scummy though. After all, I am increasingly finding that everyone in my original scum pool looks townie so TW thinking the same way isn't AI. It might be notable that he seems pessimistic (vets are very hard to read, etc, not a productive attitude when a lot of the players are vets) and has yet to make a concerted effort to find mafia or really engage with people to get a feel for them. But he could also feel disheartened that nobody is obvious mafia - I could definitely relate there. Anyway, let me know what you think there. | ||
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I actually thought I was a scum-read but DF's latest post just has me as a "possibility" He's critical of Xatalos, TW, Malongo (his current vote), disformation (does say that he thinks disfo's D1s suck tbh). Also thinks there's some weird shit between Damdred/ Calix...although since he thinks I'm scummy, I don't understand why his first thought wasn't TvW or something. tl;dr: Possible middle-of-the-road scummer here who throws out suspicious without following it up in any meaningful way. | ||
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On March 18 2017 05:49 Calix wrote: DF also a possible mafia candidate. Mainly his pg 2 filter since there are a lot of criticisms of players but I'm not sure what his scum-reads are exactly. And a lot of one-liners and random questions which blend in with the rest of the chat. I actually thought I was a scum-read but DF's latest post just has me as a "possibility" He's critical of Xatalos, TW, Malongo (his current vote), disformation (does say that he thinks disfo's D1s suck tbh). Also thinks there's some weird shit between Damdred/ Calix...although since he thinks I'm scummy, I don't understand why his first thought wasn't TvW or something. tl;dr: Possible middle-of-the-road scummer here who throws out suspicions without following it up in any meaningful way. EBWOP I would like clarification from DF, just to make it explicit. | ||
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On March 18 2017 05:54 disformation wrote: mh, i like you noting that tw sounds pessimistic. some ppl think thats more likely to come from scum. i kinda like that tw is kinda stubborn about his TvT read. think would be more profitable for scum to make up some stuff about it being a scum vs town thing and then trying to ml both. unless you are scum with tw ofc. xD otherwise it is a bit meh. like you said very little content and scumhunting. would really like for him to explain his malongo town lean. tone is also slightly more town like. nice mix between not giving a damn and being fairly chill, like with his rayn read and the tvt thing. Has that "lol let's say it sounds like SvT and ML both" idea EVER worked in killing the two townies? Just wondering P: Dunno about his tone but then again, I have an easier time when I can actually talk to the person. Like with Rayn, his tone was really good. Eden's didn't feel manipulative either, more focused on accusing his scum-read and being 'witty' than selling anything, really. Anyway, I think we should not lynch TW today then. If he's not actively trying to sabotage the abundance of town-reads (like people initially thought earlier re: that town circle post) then he's asserting himself as someone who isn't disruptive, ergo less likely to be mafia. | ||
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On March 18 2017 06:02 darthfoley wrote: Nah i still have you in my scum pile, but I believe Malongo is a better lynch than you currently. My use of the word possibility was simply referencing lynch orders. I'm critical of Xatalos because I felt like he labored on and on about the same hashed up shit from early D1. I don't recall him really driving conversation or inquisiting people after that. I think disformation often says he doesn't have the best D1 play. I would agree with him this game, but playing poorly has never equaled mafia so no, I never really scum read him. He's in the town side of null category. I've explained my suspicions rather succinctly in my opinion, and what I think of players in the game. My overall list goes something like this: Town Eden rayn Koshi disformation Xata DeepBlue Onegu Rels Calix Damdred Malongo Mafia Something like that What makes you think Calix/ Damdred is SvS? + Show Spoiler + If this is what I think it is, I will actually get annoyed. What about Damdred makes him more scummy than moi, the person you spent more time pressuring in the early days? The rest of your points are adequately explained. | ||
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On March 18 2017 06:05 darthfoley wrote: And the obvious reason for mafia to list a bunch of town reads while not scumhunting is that they can claim PoE later in the day and defend it by saying the person wasn't in their town circle etc. I think it's actually quite a safe play because it allows some potential for buddying and it gives a pre-determined defense when their PoE flips green. Are you saying that I have not been scum-hunting or what? This is also amusing since part of your scum-read is meta-based, yet you say this. | ||
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On March 18 2017 06:10 darthfoley wrote: Idk i felt like you two treated each other too cordially early on. I think I have a decent understanding of how you would approach him if it were TvS with you being the scum, and it didn't play out like that. Tbf you two are right around the same level for me. Not slam dunks but i'm suspicious of you two. Without doing in depth filter diving, my impression is that you've been more active and you've been active in the right places about the right things. I haven't gotten that impression from Damdred. Maybe i'm being overly paranoid because my last mafia game on here was our scum triad, idk. We'll see as the game progresses Can you expand on that TvS comment? And yes, I am an overrated scum player. This is why I can't help but think that people who scum-read me are obtuse fuckers. But maybe I'm just not aware of what I look like to the average person, idk. | ||
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On March 18 2017 06:23 disformation wrote: oh. just randomly remembered something about mindmelds. there was a glorious game where town!sicklucker had a mindmeld with scum!rels. just sayin' ROFL Point taken. @Damdred, so you mean Blue, Koshi, Xat and then us two, yes? Pretty sure they were my original town base. Blue's filter is easy to remember off the top of my head. Good posts but doesn't talk a lot unless prompted + only really talked about you. I'd have to consider rayn/ DF's points about Xat wrt filter-diving him. No idea on Koshi. So possible? | ||
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On March 18 2017 07:15 Xatalos wrote: Eden's case isn't actually horrible. It's true that Calix jumped to scumreading disfo a bit quickly/strongly and stuck with it until it no longer had steam. The reason for dropping it wasn't the best either... "at least he's doing something now" after listing various other reasons to scumread him, which weren't really addressed? Or were they somewhere? I could be biased because Eden praised my townieness so greatly. I'll be around closer to the deadline, but probably not very much for the next 15-20 hours or so. Dunno if I did. Was in a hurry to reread the chat when I made that vote and didn't bother explaining it. Still don't tbh. What does the second line have to do with how much you liked Eden's case? | ||
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On March 18 2017 06:54 Damdred wrote: If we go with just that group to look into would have to be just deep and xata. Everyone else I think is pure town I still think both are town in more confident right now in xata but both of them do have a couple question marks. Like xata has some really well reasoned posts but sort of lacks at points in the scum hunting department and isn't as posty as I remember. Deep as well had some nice posts but was super focused on one and hasn't done much since. But has the whole first game here going for him. But I don't think his postings were outside scum range for anyone in the game Like I'm really sure you and koshi are always town here. 'isn't as posty as I remember' - I can't even imagine, lol. Blue has said that they have played for several years, not sure that this argument applies either way. I'm not sure how viable pressure on Blue is. It's not like anything he's done is that scummy. 24 hours left so if we try to stack votes and get him to open up, we run the risk of lynching him instead. Or maybe I'm being too pessimistic about activity. There's always Malongo who only TW seems to be town-reading and who has yet to appear. But that's no good either. We need some kind of 'back up' train in case Malongo pops in and makes some really townie posts. Our current problem is that there's no real consensus on who that should be yet. Thoughts? | ||
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On March 18 2017 08:00 Koshi wrote: Pff. I am going to bed. Alcohol seems to keep going up. Tomorrow big day for me. Wish me luck. Break a leg and don't die! Coffins are expensive | ||
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Anyway, this game seems weirdly EU-centric in terms of activity despite there being a bunch of Muricans. Also I did not like TW's latest posts. For the fact that he said that vets are too difficult to read (in response to them being town-read), his reasons for town-reading the 'non vets' are shitty. With regards to Eden, I don't see how talking about his claim or that question to disformation is AI. Meanwhile Malongo's posts look more like he's throwing out random points without explaining them which isn't the same thing as being 'fickle' (he hasn't changed his positions on anything afaik). I think I'm skeptical of TW since I have no idea what he is trying to achieve with his posts aside from being a limp sock. | ||
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On March 18 2017 19:49 Calix wrote: Got excited when I saw Malongo post but all he did was claim. Didn't like his comment about it 'feeling like there are TPRs in the game because of activity' - I don't understand how he reached this conclusion or why activity/ lack of it = TPRs (mainly because I have no idea of how much of the thread Malongo has actually read). Anyway, this game seems weirdly EU-centric in terms of activity despite there being a bunch of Muricans. Also I did not like TW's latest posts. For the fact that he said that vets are too difficult to read (in response to them being town-read), his reasons for town-reading the 'non vets' are shitty. With regards to Eden, I don't see how talking about his claim or that question to disformation is AI. Meanwhile Malongo's posts look more like he's throwing out random points without explaining them which isn't the same thing as being 'fickle' (he hasn't changed his positions on anything afaik). I think I'm skeptical of TW since I have no idea what he is trying to achieve with his posts aside from being a limp sock. Slight change to this. Just checked the vote thread and saw that TW actually did vote for DF. The case was already 'meh' to begin with but the progression is odd. DF corrected TW and then TW acknowledges this...but then he puts DF on the same level as the no-posters (why?) and didn't change his vote. For context, this is the only vote that TW has made all day. It's on a single-vote wagon, backed up by debunked reasoning which no sane person will ever follow. It is actually even worse than Malongo's vote since he didn't pretend that raynpelikoneet was a scum-read. Since the only point that TW made on DF was an apparent misunderstanding, him not changing his vote afterwards or explaining why DF still ranks so low on his reads doesn't add up and I would like clarification here. | ||
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On March 19 2017 00:01 Damdred wrote: Hi onegu have you read any of the game yet? Also just as an aside the votes are pretty spread out which sort of bothers me. Have all these one voters with no real care about pushing their cases. And nothing else. Mal is leading the lynch but most of the game doesn't care that much and really rayn who probably had the biggest voice in the thread (you such a good yeller sir) doesn't seem to care though granted he thinks both oof is are scum. Idk it seems super easy at this point just to lynch mal with no real opposition which could be a weak scum team I guess it one that has a town up for lynch . Third option is just sagging mal but I don't we it. I have tr on abasically the whole wagon though.. +1 The number of people with 'meh' or single votes is very high but I still think he's a better lynch than the others unless we decide to go full #yolo and lynch Rels or some shit. I'd rather take my chances with the inactive guy with a meh filter who people have actually talked about over being paranoid and potentially mislynching someone who is more townie when they'll make themselves more obvious later, if that makes sense. I am kinda hoping that Onegu will have some fresh insights, break us out of this "everyone is townie" slump we're in. | ||
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On March 19 2017 00:41 Damdred wrote: Like I have only problems with df on this wagon. 1) Comes into the thread and blasts calix early and never really retracts from that. But is voting with 2/3 of his scum reads on his other scum read without really questioning the validity of the wagon I the people on the wagon. 2) Has very little talking points on mal in his filter that would indicate a scum read. I'm fact it seems likely basis for the read is actually rayns read. (Just as an aside I kinda said the same things about mal right after he posted but df kinda ignores this and scum reads me but puts rayn super high in his town list. I know he scum reads me for cordial interactions with calix which isbadreasoning but meh). 3) In his filter calix is his biggest read but just sheep's rayn instead of trying to push his read. Like idk just kind of a weird filter and his vote on mal seems a bit... opportunistic at this point. 1. It was his most sustained push and most of it was shitty meta so not brilliant, no. He hasn't done anything like that as of late even though he has several scum-reads/ question marks in his reads list. 2. Don't think sheeping raynpelikoneet's reasoning is notable. I think his logic for Damdred/ Calix is bad. Pretty sure he's making an assumption about how I would read you just because I said "lol I always scum-read Damdred" But yeah, when you put it that way, I can see what you mean with the odd focus. | ||
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On March 19 2017 00:41 Xatalos wrote: rayn isn't even on his wagon, but he's pushed Mal nonetheless, and with very weak reasons IMO (which is more typical of his scumplay). Still not sure about disfo, and not completely sure about Calix either. Mainly it's because there hasn't been any meaningful opposition, but just scattered votes all around. That rarely leads to a correct lunch. Yeah, about that. On March 18 2017 07:15 Xatalos wrote: Eden's case isn't actually horrible. It's true that Calix jumped to scumreading disfo a bit quickly/strongly and stuck with it until it no longer had steam. The reason for dropping it wasn't the best either... "at least he's doing something now" after listing various other reasons to scumread him, which weren't really addressed? Or were they somewhere? I could be biased because Eden praised my townieness so greatly. I'll be around closer to the deadline, but probably not very much for the next 15-20 hours or so. I'm confused as to why you think it's suspect for me to have pushed disformation 'a bit quickly/ strongly and stuck with it' when you agreed with all of my points and spent more time talking about it than I did? My point here being that since you acted in a similar way, it doesn't make sense for you to then agree with Eden when he calls out the same behaviour in me. And I still don't get how Eden calling you top town influences your response to his case. In general, I think Eden has not been talked about as much as I was expecting him to be. @Damdred, can you expand on your Eden read? | ||
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On March 19 2017 01:02 Damdred wrote: Yeah, a lot of what Eden did content wise was a rehash that made him look more active,while the answers were in thread already. The time was more accusatory rather than inquisitive and his case felt more like throw everything I can and we what sticks people run on. Then throws a vote down without really a ton I interaction a lot of the other reads are easily escapable from not really firm. And hasn't done much since, and doesn't really seem to care about pushing to case even right after he made it. Sure, Eden's posts didn't consider my later interactions with disformation or anything else I've done but that's not necessarily AI if he just found my early play scummy. I don't think Eden 'not doing much since there' means anything. He clearly put a sizable amount of effort into the posts he did make (outside of the bullshit claim stuff). In fact, all these 'well people haven't done much' posts don't mean a great deal right now. It's D1. If someone was amazing on D1 and then tanked overnight then using this sort of logic would make more sense but right now? Nah. On March 19 2017 01:04 Xatalos wrote: Well, it's not like I think you're sure scum like he implied or anything. Just that his reasoning kind of made sense to me. You did jump to scumread him very quickly, and a bit too strongly considering the reasoning (tone) maybe... and kind of left the wagon to roll until it died? And abandoned the wagon just like that even though your other points weren't really addressed, just the confusion part that I was mostly suspicious of? Dunno. I can see the scum motivation in that. But then again, you've been pretty active and contributing very, so I don't have any motivation to pursue the matter. I have explained that already. I found disformation stuck out compared to everyone else because of his tone and voted him based on that. Given that it got shit going, I have no regrets there I was actually AFK while all of that shit over disformation was going down yesterday but you wouldn't have known that. I said on several occasions that I would reconsider disformation if he started contributing on his own terms, which he did, so I unvoted when I got back. No point in hounding him much more at that point since it would just distract him if he is town, you know? | ||
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On March 19 2017 01:27 Xatalos wrote: Hm yeah, I guess so. Still it seemed a bit fast how you dropped it even though you had added a couple of other reasons to scumread him during that and your scumread seemed to be getting stronger until it suddenly disappeared? Dunno. I'm not lunching you at this point regardless I maintain that it only seems that way since I didn't bother to explain my reasoning in full when I unvoted P: And I don't particularly care if you want me lynched right now or not. I'd just rather clear up shit now - while it's still relatively quiet and chill - as opposed to repeating this conversation later in the game. So unless you have any other questions, I'll be ending this chit-chat. | ||
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On March 19 2017 02:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: If onegu keeps playing like this we lynch the shit out of him. +1 Good way of getting him to either spew himself town or eat rope. | ||
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Then I guess we'll be lynching you then. Because guess what? I had a hard enough time reading you when I was mafia and now I'm not, I'm not leaving you to dick around. Not with this game state. As for your Blue read, I would like to know more here. Please, don't hold back | ||
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On March 19 2017 02:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: He's a good player and he can figure out townies for reasons that actually make people town. I didn't even need his explanation on the Koshi read i just instantly knew he has one and that he is town. Have you played with Blue before? O.o | ||
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On March 19 2017 02:56 disformation wrote: hmmmm. i'm cool with rayn's read on tw. tw being suspicious as hell of one of the few ppl to have a tr on him, also kinda makes him more town imo. Agreed on the last point especially. Dunno what to make of Onegu right now. He's made a strong stance but I'm not convinced. I can maybe see a point for Blue being overly self-aware if I squint through a shot glass but that's not scummy by itself. An incidental tell to support a larger case at best. | ||
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On March 19 2017 03:08 disformation wrote: dunno. it is an interesting find and a very onegu thing to pick that up/point that out. just help me too much with figuring onegs alignment out. xD As I've only played with Onegu once before, can you explain what you mean by 'a very Onegu thing'? lol | ||
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On March 19 2017 03:32 Xatalos wrote: Please explain your Damdred case better then. I went on to be more critical of your Malongo case later on. I can find that post for you if you want.... Didn't he already explain his Damdred logic like, ten times when he was interacting with me earlier? I'd look at that. I'd rather you explain YOUR Rayn scum-read better, actually. | ||
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On March 19 2017 03:36 Xatalos wrote: I'm not confident that he's scum, but usually when he's adamant about pushing weak cases he's scum. That's what triggered my lingering suspicion after his big case post. If you're not confident then maybe explain your thought process to the rest of the class (aka, using evidence from this game) about how he could be mafia THIS GAME...preferably with minimal meta references if possible. If you struggle with that then reconsider your case. You're welcome for this great advice | ||
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On March 19 2017 03:41 Calix wrote: Eden, why do you keep talking about a meta-read on a strong town-read of yours instead of engaging with your biggest scum-read in the thread? O.o As an addition to this, why are you voting for Damdred and why not engage with him? (I know you said earlier that you didn't get an easy town read on him but that's not the same thing as a scum read) | ||
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It's becoming the disformation misunderstanding of this chat, AKA, nothing new is going to come of it. Nobody new will find the question logic persuasive or find Rayn scummy for pursuing it. | ||
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On March 19 2017 03:53 Xatalos wrote: What else is Damdred even being pushed for? Dunno but this current discussion is sure unproductive. For Damdred, the best thing that he can do is to scum-hunt normally (which I think he's been doing tbh). As for Rayn, harping on about a post where you essentially accuse someone of scum-slipping is unproductive after a certain point IMO. Since you think they slipped, they have no chance of persuading you otherwise and it just frustrates the accused player, regardless of alignment. And it won't persuade anyone new, as said. So moving onto a different topic/ part of Damdred's posting/ whatever is a great idea for everyone involved! | ||
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On March 19 2017 04:12 Xatalos wrote: Hm? I've probably missed/forgot something since I was reading on my phone in fast sessions all day. Didn't you just recently call him scummy though? At least some hours ago. Yeah I did but then Rayn made this town case and Tweedledumb responded with some paranoia on Rayn (the only person who really town-reads him) which looked townie to me. Pretty sure disformation picked up on it too. As for your point about the stale wagon, I would be inclined to agree but none of today's wagons have 'picked up' really. Disformation's took a while to get going while Damdred's has been sitting with 2-3 votes all day. I don't think it means a lot. If Malongo flips town then it becomes a lot more interesting though. But I don't see any reason in his posts to think that, he's been talked about a lot and he hasn't done anything. He's the superior lynch for today by miles. | ||
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On March 19 2017 04:13 darthfoley wrote: Anyone else feel like Calix is completely hands-off today, letting the winds of the lynch wagons take her wherever they end up going? Because I do! lol wtf, DF. I'm voting for the person I think is the best lynch today. He is still the leading train by two votes. What exactly am I meant to be 'doing' here that I am not already doing? | ||
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On March 19 2017 04:20 darthfoley wrote: I just feel like you're acting like a mediator rather than trying to play the game. Strikes me as lazier than I would expect from you. I have my reasons for voting for Malongo but i'm still interacting with various people in the game in confrontational ways. Feels like you're coasting. Although tbf that could be lazy town or lazy mafia Maybe you should change your 'expectations' then because it's clearly not doing you any favours with reading me, rofl. For a less flippant answer, I want Malongo flipped so that I can start re-evaluating with actual info instead of second-guessing myself. | ||
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On March 19 2017 04:20 Xatalos wrote: Hmmm.... In the case of rayn/Tumble scum it would make sense though, to distance from rayn without losing/risking anything...? But if we assume rayn is town, then it's probably not very sensible for Tumble to accuse rayn here.. Unless you have some incredibly airtight evidence for a pre-flip association between raynpelikoneet and Tweedledumb, I don't care to consider this scenario. | ||
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On March 19 2017 04:27 darthfoley wrote: Your red bolding indicates a scum read of me? If I thought it was scummy, I would have said so, you moron-a-thon. Do you actually have anything substantial to 'pressure' me with or are you just going to read too much into the colour that I used to highlight something? -_- | ||
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Which is a bit annoying since the usual heuristic - that nobody is trying to divert the lynch - is less applicable than it would otherwise be. | ||
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If he's scum then I would probably look at the AFK bunch. Possible that scum bussed or did nothing but we'll have to see. If he's town then I'm more likely to look at the people who were on solo trains. But I'd filter Damdred first since the assumption there would be that the two leading wagons = town. | ||
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This is part of our secret and incredibly subtle plot to incorporate you into our "town circle" so that we can manipulate you into having reads which you already have, then force you to focus on lurkers for three days until one of them tilts off the face of the earth and results in MYLO on steroids by Day 3 #scumbrag | ||
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Saying that we're being nice to each other =/= case. It's pretty clear I am behaving differently from any game I've played...on here. | ||
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On March 19 2017 06:28 darthfoley wrote: I don't think you've been scum hunting well enough or aggressively enough and a bit too much OMGUS. But you've made a few town points so it's not as strong as it was. I'm also starting to waffle on Damdred a bit but I thought his play early between Xata and dis was odd and pointless and I couldn't really remember much that he did outside of that. I'd like to give you two townie points for sticking around at deadline except we did the same thing last scum game so that's kinda cheap. I really dislike all the AFK stuff today because this EoD absolutely benefits mafia 1000% if Malongo is town That looks like you're fear-reading me a little bit. Well, maybe not that, but you have these expectations for my town play even though you've only seen me play as town once and it's premature. + Show Spoiler + And I did say last game that I wanted to change my meta I've never understood why sticking around at deadline is considered townie. That just depends on availability. I can see why people fucking off might look bad but I don't think it counts for the reverse. If the AFKing continues then we'll have a massive problem on our hands regardless... | ||
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On March 19 2017 06:38 Xatalos wrote: Yeah. In the first place the thing was pretty NAI. No way it made Damdred 100% scum. But rayn just continued to push that one point... Without really adding anything new/important or giving satisfactory explanations. And apparently both Damdred and Malongo were fine even though Damdred was much more scummier to him (why..?). Not gonna lie, I kicked around the idea that we were dealing with a scum!rayn who was distancing from scum!Malongo while pushing a town wagon (Damdred) which would explain why he kept pushing Damdred on this one point so much. But I don't think it holds up. | ||
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And to be frank, I'd rather pressure Rayn if Malongo flips town than yolo-lynch Rayn and deal with a crappy inactive slot in a sea of crappy inactive slots. You know, because that will be more entertaining. | ||
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From my experience, they lead to a domino chain of unnecessary claims and drama. And a lot of unnecessary talk on whether the claims are real or not, yadda yadda yadda. | ||
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On March 19 2017 06:55 Damdred wrote: Just gut feeling by tumble I having a really strange eod here. Sorta pushing off mal while saying he will be ok with lynching him but having him high in his town list while saying he's a plynch now. Then want I to make the vote me v rayn. Makes no sense. Show weird eod Anyway... Tweedledumb, pls explain yourself here, thx. | ||
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On March 19 2017 07:35 disformation wrote: so I'll probably look more into the votes tomorrow (reasoning/timing). lets see if I can find something. outside of that I think looking into eden/tw might be a good thing to do. rayn vs damdy can maybe also be a thing. What makes you want to look into Eden/ group him with Tweedledumb? The main thing that bugged me about his re-entry was his throwaway vote on Damdred that he didn't explain and ignored my question about it. Didn't say why he thought Damdred was scummier than someone he null-read either. | ||
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Damdred (3) - raynpelikoneet, disformation (0) - Raynpelikoneet (2) - Malongo, Tumblewood, Calix (0) - Onegu (0) - darthfoley (1) - Malongo (6) - darthfoley, Koshi, disformation, Calix, Damdred, Xatalos Tumblewood (0) - Koshi (0) - DeepBlueSea (1) - Onegu Rels (1) - Rels Looking at this, I suspect most of the scum are among the lazy, apathetic voters. Rels, most obvious example since he prod-dodged the entire day. Onegu, just popped in with one scum-read and fucked off again. Eden, horrible read on me -> unexplained vote on Damdred for no apparent reason. I'm not sure on why Koshi voted for Malongo exactly, not clear from his filter. Not lazy, just vague. I'm not actually sure if this vote count is accurate as I thought Tweedledumb voted for Malongo but I haven't double-checked there yet. | ||
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On March 19 2017 07:40 Tumblewood wrote: lynch probable but afk town on a bad wagon (rock) | me | lynch iffy but better town on a shenanigan (hard place) and I kept changing my mind and eventually I kept my vote in the hard place Right. Would you kindly go into more detail on your Raynpelikoneet scum-read then? Would like to know more about this conflict of yours. | ||
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On March 19 2017 07:58 Tumblewood wrote: rayn more or less spawned a wagon on malongo that picked up a lot of steam despite rayn himself not being on it and there being no convincing case. I mean, the guy had 10 posts to work with, none of which were egregiously bad. vote logic points to rayn and two others on the wagon (I suspect koshi/damdred but it is no sure thing). rayn was obviously waaaay overconfident on his scumreads. more so than I believe he would be as town. BUT the wagon on him would inevitably be a shenanny in an afk thread, and he was by far a more active and potentially useful (if town) player than malongo. losing him as town would fuck us over way more. [in retrospect, the wagon would have had to be composed of people who I trust, so I overblew that concern.] this is why the choice was difficult the end Your point about the wagon gaining a majority early on is more valid now that we know Malongo was town. Uncontested for a good chunk of the day, basically. Why Koshi and Damdred in particular? I can also relate to the last paragraph about potentially losing a more useful town player by CFDing though. I was going to ask why you didn't vote for Damdred but I imagine you would say something similar in response. | ||
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I still need to filter-dive Damdred. raynpelikoneet too. I have looked at Koshi's filter and downgraded him to null. His filter is not as good as I thought it was - needs more insightful comments - and he has not done much as of late. As for Eden...
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I'm a bit biased because I know he's not the most charismatic fellow in the room and has a tendency of being lynch-bait. Therefore I don't feel like crucifying him for today. He's had a bunch of townie-sounding posts already and he consistently does this when he's being pressured. | ||
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But I'm also not sure where all the scum-reads are coming from. Like, what is the overarching scum motivation with his posts? If those people could make better cases that aren't "lol underwhelming" or "teh metas" then I'd appreciate it, thx. Anyway, what I noticed:
Not seeing anything damning here. He said it would be more interesting if Malongo is town but his reads haven't changed post-lynch at all (just the reasons) and sometimes his level of confidence in a read fluctuates without explanation but that is about it so far. Since I didn't find anything scummy (but also nothing amazingly townie), he is a town lean for now. | ||
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On March 20 2017 01:12 Koshi wrote: I am pretty happy with where I am. Maybe rayn is mafia. That will be fun. Please elaborate, good sir  | ||
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On March 20 2017 01:38 Damdred wrote: Actually tumble read significantly changed tbh, he was null then nose dived into the total scum category. And I honestly don't know what would be amazingly townie to you Calix lol, I think you want a godly messenger to come down and just annoint me at some point in some game lol. But seriously I think you could make a case that everyone in the game has bad spots in their dilters. And both of those posts you quoted about dis was meant to be more about leaning town and town reading him for his stubbornness etc. Didn't you have Tweedledumb as 'maybe town' at one point? Your second line sounds off, can't quite pinpoint why. Maybe it's because I've been solidly town-reading you for most of the game so you being annoyed that I concluded that you were less townie than being the top townie makes zero sense. Especially since the minor things I noted that could come from mafia don't add up to a case, just an assessment. Double especially when this is the most I have ever town-read you in any game, lol. | ||
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On March 20 2017 01:51 Damdred wrote: Yeah I did have him as maybe town, good catch. But I don't think you read my joke/sarcasm right q.q "good catch" lol, it's like you're complimenting me for reading your filter properly P: I'm an obtuse fuck that's immune to sarcasm  Anyway, how's that filter-diving going? Who are you reviewing and what have you found? | ||
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On March 20 2017 01:58 Damdred wrote: And honestly I am a bit annoyed at not being more town read. I had a great catch on tumble around eod which is very much scum indicative imo and his explanations still don't do it justice. Eden seems to be scum to from the way he went about the vote, whatvi said earlier and that post during nightbphase. Unflipped I know but still.should count for more than just a lean, quet annoying tbh I thought his conflict/ explanation made sense - why didn't you think so? I'd rather hear how you, personally, thought that Eden post was bad. On March 20 2017 02:02 Damdred wrote: Ryan might be scum but it wouldn't be because of his tunneling me. He does that almost every game up to a point. His smart thing is probably a heuristic he uses a lot but I still feel like I said things he agreed with meh. If he is scum I couldsee it because he refused interaction and ignored me. So idk I kinda am up in the air with the third Can you bring up a list of examples so I can see where you're coming from better? I am getting more than a bit annoyed because most of the people I don't really town-read/ have a higher % of being mafia are not fucking playing: Rels, signed up a week ago yet gives everyone the middle finger by not playing for at least D1-N1. Onegu, phoning it in as always even when it's extremely unhelpful to do so. Eden, keeps bitching about his connection. Koshi, has decided to peace out. Give me a break. If I am Vigilante then I am 100% shooting one of these four. | ||
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On March 20 2017 02:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well Onegu voted for mafia. ![[image loading]](https://media.tenor.co/images/4c3280635fa25dd13140df259eb0028a/raw) | ||
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I'm not going to appreciate the next 48 hours being filled with that. Get a better reason that doesn't break the rules, thanks. | ||
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On March 20 2017 02:22 Damdred wrote: Yeah, His post was nothing but excuses and complaining. His reaction to the lynch especially domain who wash there does not generally come from town, just as I caught df do his reaction to the lynch when he as scum (damn me for backing off). He had no reason to complain about the lynch since afk made everything not murky and if he was actually reading the game hebwoukd of known why we llynchd mal. His reasoning for voting mewas even worse essslecially if he is legit going to be afk. I basically puts me at the point scum could hammer me over mal if any is on mal. It justbisnt a thought process that I think would come from town Eden who would look at the lynch and pick who he thinks is scum and explain it and not fuck off with some convoluted bs. Examples about smart things? Or example of him tunneling me lots? Bolded part is the best part. As for your 'reasoning for voting' paragraph, I think that's really bad if Malongo/ you is TvT because he essentially says that he was willing to risk lynching someone ten times more active than Malongo just to prove a point even though he null-reads both of you. That doesn't look good since Malongo was town so Eden would have probably suspected him if you had been lynched and flipped town. But maybe I am just speculating too much there. I was going to say 'examples of points where you two have agreed without him acknowledging it' but on second thoughts, I could probably find out just by looking over your filter again so meh. | ||
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On March 20 2017 02:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: stfu i don't need to do anything you tell me to. I care about being right and not what you can or cannot understand. If you're 'right' but fail to convince anyone then you're playing worse than someone who is just wrong so have fun with that | ||
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On March 20 2017 02:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: And i am having fun with that, because people cannot be convinced with any sort of logic anymore in this game so i don't really see what else should i be happy about when playing mafia anymore. If that's logic then a suicidal drug addict is the epitome of happiness. | ||
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On March 20 2017 03:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: Cslix how fo you know FBS is from MS? I didn't until you said that you knew him. | ||
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On March 20 2017 03:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: Now someone must have told you i am playing a game on MS. Who was it? You literally posted on the forums that you play on MS and wanted to play with Regfan or something like that. If you're trying to accuse me of having extra info from being in a scum chat with Blue, you're not going to get very far. | ||
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On March 20 2017 03:46 ritoky wrote: people with good posts: damdred rayn calix people i don't feel anything much about: xata koshi onegu rels people with bad posts: eden darthfoley disfo tumble I'm going to break out of my intentional lurking to ask for those disformation posts. He hasn't been talked about much as of late. | ||
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I'm not sure I follow since those posts seem to square up with your current reads of Eden/ TW being scummy. | ||
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I'd add that you are not doing a lot despite being around in general. | ||
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On March 20 2017 04:03 Onegu wrote: Ritoky and DBS same person. Rayn is also scum. DBS because of reasons I game already and Ritoky has done nothing that has changed my mind. Rayn feels off to me. Like his defense of DBS seemed off. Meh. not sure about this one though. You might not have seen this but Rayn now scum-reads DBS/ ritoky (N1 development). Would recommend looking at that. | ||
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On March 20 2017 04:10 darthfoley wrote: Where do you think the scummers lie at this point? Part of me really thinks Rels is one of them and he's just fucked off to avoid suspicion early Excellent question because I don't know. I think Eden is scummier than not but when I try and look for other scum-reads, I come up with nothing. I flip back and forth and have a million reasons to think people are town. The fact that no lynch seems satisfying is a red flag to me but since that would imply that the vets/ AFKers are scum, I don't know what to do about that -.- Like you could just lynch AFK people but if we're in the scenario of multiple scum vets then that'll fuck us over like nothing else. I am actually expecting this night kill to be informative early on for once. | ||
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On March 20 2017 04:20 Xatalos wrote: Well, from my point of view rayn is just pushing townies for weak reasons and with huge, inappropriate force. Malongo was town, I'm town, and Damdred is at least more likely town than rayn - and certainly not scum for the reasons rayn proposed. He's not even really listening or changing his views. He pretty much ignored Damdred, ignored me several times (although at least he responded to me at times) and Malongo was more of an "lynch the AFKer". It fits the view that he's scum and pushing whatever may stick to mislynch, not so well with an "active and helpful town mindset". It doesn't matters how many townies someone pushes. Townies can be very wrong. Townies can scum-read three townies for days on end. It's more how they do it, really. The part where he totally ignores facts that don't fit his narrative is more concerning but I don't think that means he's really 'trying to ML you as scum' because he would have to know that people would pick up on him doing that and thus think he's less credible and persuasive. | ||
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On March 20 2017 04:32 Xatalos wrote: He's gotten away with it several times already though. I basically debunked his Malongo case, and he actually pretty much gave up on 50% of his case, and stopped arguing about the rest, but it didn't affect his read in the slightest (even though both of his reasons were weak to begin with). Then I showed him how Damdred's question at the start could easily come from town, but he just repeated and repeated his argument that it makes Damdred sure scum without any real thought process. Now he puts Tumble as town and me as scum based on a totally incorrect narrative of how the EOD went down. And basically accuses me of being scum for doing pretty much the same thing as he himself did (accepting a slightly lower-priority lynch happening on D1 - Malongo for both of us). I don't know how accurate your portrayal of events is so I plan to review that once there's a bit of distance/ time to reflect on it a bit. You two argue a lot so it's hard to remember the details after a while. Since his Damdred case is flawed, I agree with you on that point. I do think that Tweedledumb is town though unless you thought that paranoia post was distancing or something. Dunno, looked really good on his part IMO. You'll probably say "oh but rayn keeps defending him, they're scum buddies" but that's a bit of a simplistic argument and nowhere near strong enough to make a pre-flip association. Not saying it's impossible but scummers don't tend to link themselves together THAT obviously. | ||
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On March 20 2017 04:48 Xatalos wrote: Maybe it'll do good to distance myself from this mess a bit. At the moment I have a significantly stronger scumlean on rayn than before N1 started though. Every time rayn has scumread me for stupid reasons like that EOD thing, he's been scum so far.. I guess we've fought our fair share as town vs town too, but then it's usually been because I made some sort of huge blunder, not because he's trying to fling random small points against me. That's only happened with scum rayn. Note also how he's scumread me pretty much all game, only with shifting (weak) reasons. Well, AFK for a while now... If I happen to die, keep a close eye on rayn. You should probably lay off the meta reads. Correct me if I am wrong but you two haven't played together since...2014? 2015? Your meta tells are probably outdated if I'm right. I'm starting to think that the townie-looking people who aren't really DOING anything are more likely to be mafia. disformation. Can anyone tell me what he is doing? Because I can't remember a single thing he's done outside of the early game. His VCA posts are a more boring version of my own take on the votes. It didn't feel like his analysis was very insightful. Koshi. Again, nice filter but hasn't done a lot. Not so sure on this one, could just be busy for 92 hours like he said. ritoky. Lots of debate-orientated points in his posts to DF which are great theoretically but don't mean anything for his alignment. Has the Eden post, however. Rels/ Onegu. I think Rels is more likely to be scum here, just because I don't spot any incongruencies with Onegu's current posting. Eden does not actually fit into this heuristic. He has those forceful posts on me going for him. Will have to see his response to the current events though. | ||
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On March 20 2017 05:01 disformation wrote: i guess that means you disagree with my point on tumble? There was a point? Reading your "well maybe he has an alignment" post made me so demotivated that I'm not even sure you believe it yourself. And if you don't believe it then why should I? As you note, there is plenty of doubt about Tweedledumb's alignment around EOD. | ||
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Also he seems like the easy scum-read for most people right now and it's giving me deja-vu vibes a la Malongo. | ||
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On March 20 2017 05:06 disformation wrote: yeah. fine. if you ppl dont read my posts at all i just can stop posting them. the point that his "paranoia" can very well be mafia being paranoid of looking bad of what is soon to be a lynched town. We would barely notice, scumformation I don't see why scum!Tweedledumb would have even bothered posting what he did at EOD. Makes no sense to come in, fumble around between wagons and basically do nothing but look extremely and overtly suspicious for NO gain. | ||
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On March 20 2017 05:14 disformation wrote: why would town!tw post that then? thats my problems, as described in the earlier post. doesnt make a lot of sense as either alignment. so it goes both ways aaand is a bit of a too scummy to be scum argument again. i also admit that it is not full lockdown slam dunk scum, but i think it has a decent chance to come from scum. so a scum lean. Because he was genuinely conflicted over what to do at EOD, therefore fumbling around, hopping on and off wagons without any regard for how that would look because townies in that situation act first and think later? | ||
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 Anyway, have I made myself clear? I feel dirty from defending someone for so long, ugh. | ||
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On March 20 2017 05:28 Xatalos wrote: If you die, I'll promise to let Tumble be for a while (Of course not counting major new developments) Well I'd prefer that you did that because you actually think my arguments are good, not just because you're giving me the equivalent of a pity fuck. I don't think he's a good lynch because I think the thread is way too clean right now. That immediately tells me that there has to be at least one veteran who is good at making himself look like town. The majority of the people who fit this profile are scum-reading Tweedledumb (who does not fit this profile whatsoever). Therefore I feel that Tweedledumb is not going to result in a scum flip. I'm sick of telling myself "oh this game is easy, it's probably Rels/ Onegu/ TW/ whatever easy target is order of the day" when that's most likely not the case. | ||
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On March 20 2017 05:40 Damdred wrote: Tumble did not start pulling the confused not sure where he wanted to go until he started getting called out and questioned about why he wanted to lynch his townread. Then he said he didn't want to lynch rayn, but the vote should be damdred v rayn. This sequence is distinctly different from someone who justbisnt sure what he wants to do. Pretty sure he said that he didn't want to see Rayn lynched because the potential loss (if Rayn was town) was greater than if Malongo was town. | ||
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On March 20 2017 05:44 Damdred wrote: That is deffinately not the point I we obviously making Then kindly explain it better. I don't get your "he said the vote should be DDD vs Rayn" since he didn't say that, he just said that he thought you could be mafia with Rayn. Am I wrong to assume you're arguing that? And he said on several occasions that Rayn could be town and expressed doubt about both wagons so that supports the confused hypothesis. This answer is kinda crappy so we should probably start over from square one -.- | ||
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On March 20 2017 05:50 Damdred wrote: Ok I'll say it simply, Tumble only started to look like confused town when he was questioned about his wanting to lynch his townread mal. Before that he was perfectly fine with everything. Okay, I'll timeline it. So TW posts his reads at #626 He pops in later with #820, says he would like to lynch someone worse but isn't crazy about Malongo You call him out for #626 with #830 TW makes another post, #832, where he criticises the Malongo wagon because of rayn's apparent overconfidence in it Then he responds to #830 to say that policy lynches are never bad but he thinks the wagon is sketchy So while I see where you are coming from wrt lack of confusion, Damdred, the fact that he had literally just popped into the thread is a mitigating factor in your argument and he had already expressed doubt before he responded to you. If he had confused to post in a coherent, calm fashion then I'd be more inclined to think it's a tell. | ||
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On March 20 2017 06:05 disformation wrote: I think the difference is that you are saying that the didnt see damdred calling him out until he made the second post on the wagon. Time stamps show that there were only 1-2 minutes (21:36-21:38) between Damdred calling him out and Tweedledumb making his second post. | ||
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On March 20 2017 06:21 Xatalos wrote: Notable also that rayn's suspect list stayed the through the whole D1 (me/Damdred/Malongo). Even now it's mostly the same, after Malongo flipped town. This is actually a good point. And you didn't even need meta for that | ||
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Screw it, post anyway. I was 100% not expecting that kill...which furthers my suspicions that something is off with this game. I would bet that ritoky had better reads than average if a replacement was shot N1. | ||
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Anyway, disformation is a good place to look. His filter is boring as shit. He posts to do nothing, then continues to do nothing, followed up by a big heaping of NOTHING. I don't give a fuck if he 'looks townie' because he can 100% pull that off as mafia. | ||
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On March 20 2017 07:03 Xatalos wrote: I wouldn't be against having rayn vs Eden wagons today. Wouldn't even surprise me if they're both scum. I'm not super-convinced here but two wagons is always a good idea so I'll help with this endeavour. | ||
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On March 20 2017 07:06 Damdred wrote: Who is scum calix? Three of Eden, disformation, Onegu, Rels and as of late, rayn. You and Koshi are also possible but not a priority by any means and Koshi's latest posts were decent. Kinda POE since I think I have decent reasons for town-reading everyone else. | ||
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On March 20 2017 07:12 Damdred wrote: So for instance tumble is above koshi and me? I don't think I understand how you are reading this game. And it seems you were worried about the game being super easy and going for lynch bait people earlier. You have two lynch bait by your definition in your list atm. And if you aren't super convinced about either rayn or eitojy wagon why are they even in your top four instead of with koshi and i. You just seem mega passive atm and more wanting to argue people town instead of finding scum. Calix your bugging me atm... The only reason I spent so much time arguing about town!Tumble was because people were still not getting it. And I think my case for him being town was quite good. I did point out flaws in your theory which you never responded to, after all. I don't care if I 'look passive' because I prefer this way of playing to my old style and don't want to be some Town Leader. Less stressful and I don't have to put a shit-load of effort in as town and be super-obviously innocent just to be called mafia at the end of it regardless. | ||
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On March 20 2017 07:20 Damdred wrote: But you haven't scum hunted almost at all lately and you keep hinting that you think scum is in the top players and lynch bait your scared of. (Besides rels) But none of them are in your posts and you don't seem to want to question then stm Yes, that's because it's a recent theory, barely a few hours old, hardly any of the players in question have been around and I haven't gotten around to filter-diving the players in question to investigate. Because of that, I am going along with Xatalos' plan in the meanwhile. | ||
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On March 20 2017 07:26 Damdred wrote: I disagree, I think rayn might of spewed tw town early (maybe) with how tr based on bad reasoning. And even his tr now on tw doesn't feel like one on a partner necessarily Question. Why criticise me for town-reading/ defending TW (using his posts) and then go on to argue that TW is more likely town...using pre-flip associations? That's even LESS helpful because we don't know what rayn's alignment is. | ||
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But I'll be around for a bit if you want to ask me stuff. | ||
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I don't care if you think pre-flip associations are the shit because that wasn't the point. | ||
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On March 20 2017 07:53 Damdred wrote: I never said it was bad that you think tw is town. I usually go down fighting someone is town so I understand that point of view. I was about to say "if that's the case then why did you criticise me for spending time arguing that people are town" but then I realised that you didn't specifically mention TW. I also understand that I can and more often than not be wrong. But that doesn't mean I shouldn't argue my position whichbi have. And 'i disagree with your evidence that he is town as I think it is an easy thing to fake. However the way he approached lynching rayn, and how rayn tr him (if he is scum) leads me to believe they cannot be scum together. This to came from post analysis and critical reading rather than pure soeculation. Since you included this annoying catch-all, I don't see how I'm meant to respond -_- I'll just settle for the fact that you agree that lynching TW today is not the best move but meh. | ||
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On March 20 2017 08:09 Calix wrote: rayn, why did you claim so early on in the day when Eden is still a viable option and you were nowhere near guaranteed to die? | ||
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Tell me what disformation has actually done lately. All of his posts since N1 are extremely boring and you could take them all out without missing anything since there is no notable contribution to the discussion. Even his VCA posts - something he prides himself on - are generic and didn't say anything interesting. By all means, flag up a post since N1 that is extremely townie or useful. I would like to see it. In fact, I'm going to vote for him. Again. ##vote disformation | ||
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On March 20 2017 01:58 Damdred wrote: And honestly I am a bit annoyed at not being more town read. I had a great catch on tumble around eod which is very much scum indicative imo and his explanations still don't do it justice. Eden seems to be scum to from the way he went about the vote, whatvi said earlier and that post during nightbphase. Unflipped I know but still.should count for more than just a lean, quet annoying tbh @rayn | ||
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Looking for widely-town-read scummer? Check! Looking for someone who is coasting and saying basically nothing? Check! Looking for someone who is rarely discussed and who nobody seems to give a shit about? We have a winner! | ||
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So unless anyone has a stellar argument for scumdred then it's unlikely that scum would have given a fuck. | ||
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He took the words out of my mouth with that town circle since that's basically what I've been operating with since N1 | ||
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On March 20 2017 08:49 darthfoley wrote: I've come around to the idea that you're probably town, but I also don't want to look like a fool post game so can you explain where the town read on me and Xata comes from? You'll be disappointed because it's nothing specific. It's just that you two are always trying to push your ideas of a townie agenda whenever you two post in the thread, you two try to keep the discussion rolling and I don't see any overarching scum motivations behind the things that you are doing. This is extremely vague since I haven't filter-dived you two and don't plan on it for the foreseeable future. It's just an overall impression that is impervious to minor flaws in your postings. | ||
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I retract my paranoia for now as an Eden/ disformation/ Rels (or Onegu, but Rels more likely) scum-team is looking increasingly likely. None of them are very influential and it feels like it's the start of some epic town steamroll. Or maybe I'm just thinking that so that I don't have to put in more effort. I'll see 'when' any of them turn up.  | ||
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On March 20 2017 16:39 darthfoley wrote: Hope I wake up to 4 new pages of activity. It's more fun that way Good joke. Where the hell did Eden/ Rels go? lol On March 20 2017 15:51 Xatalos wrote: Hmm... thinking further about rayn's claim... I'm starting to get more suspicious. Let's consider the possibilities. 1) VT - no way in hell. He'd be strongly playing against his win condition, baiting a counter-claim. 2) JK - plausible, but statistically quite unlikely (around 5%). More importantly, if this is the case, there is also a Roleblocker. This means rayn just ruined his crucial role forever from a little pressure. Is this townie play? 3) Mafia - quite plausible. As scum, he would know the setup. If there is no true JK, he can claim being roleblocked and push his agenda freely until LYLO. If there is a counter-claim, well, he's baited out the JK. But I'd expect him to claim later in the day in that case, now that plan is a bit too premature. All in all.. I'd put his chances of being scum higher than town, probably, considering the motivations and statistics in each case.. hm Yes but the fact is that rayn will be outed as scum if he lives for long enough or if nobody else claims TPR down the line. I don't see the problem for now if we just let him do whatever | ||
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On March 20 2017 17:40 disformation wrote: No. You are lock scum to me. You pushed me most of D1 and then did nothing. N1 you only argue around a bit, but basically do nothing. PPL call you out on doing nothing you push me again. So I'm only 'lock scum' after I push you again? K Tell me what YOU'VE done this game. Go on, I'll wait. I can't wait to see how you can accuse me of 'basically doing nothing' when your filter is 90% defending, going along with thread sentiment and fluff posts. The irony is extremely high right now. | ||
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On March 20 2017 17:45 disformation wrote: isnt telling you what ive done this game even more defending? and going along with the thread sentiment is extremely nai for me, as anyone who ever played with you can tell very easily. LOL, YOU CAN'T EVEN TELL US WHAT YOU'VE ACHIEVED. And you have what, 8? 9? pages of filter at this point. Holy shit, do I need to summarise it for you? Because it won't be pretty, mate. Ooh, NAI. That's kinda my point. You have not done anything 'townie' this game, just things which don't 'look' scummy on the surface. But under that, there's nothing. You're so forgettable that it's not even funny. | ||
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Anyone who actually knows my meta would realise I do that every single game because that's how I play. It means absolutely nothing for my alignment as I have reasons to do it as town and mafia. #selfmeta | ||
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On March 20 2017 17:56 disformation wrote: lol what the fuck do you expect me to say? I tried to figure out ppl alignments and talk to ppl in thread? and then get "lol your posts are boring" or ppl who didnt even read them? or that i had to spend a fuckton of time d1 explaining a throwaway post i made early on? I'd expect you to at least know what impact you've had on the game or what original contributions you've made and if you can't do that then you're mafia and can die. And yes, your posts are shamefully dull. It's my tried and tested heuristic. Townies are interesting and proactive. Mafia are bland and passive. You are the textbook example of the second. It's like HTS in Dark Tournament (if we're going to cross-reference players )You didn't 'have to' spend a load of time talking about it. You made that choice...at the expense of anything else Nice deflecting of responsibility for your own actions when you could have just told Xatalos and co to fuck right off and then blow them away with ACTUAL scum-hunting. | ||
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On March 20 2017 17:57 disformation wrote: if it turns out to be koshi/eden/calix imma be fairly pissed. See, this doesn't make any sense. That means 2/3 of the mafia are actually playing the game, for starters. And why would you be pissed that the 'mafia' are trying to 'mislynch' you? lol And since when was Koshi scum? Please show your working. | ||
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On March 20 2017 18:08 disformation wrote: Welcome to town!disformation. Thanks for describing my town meta and say that is scum. You could also have attempted a meta read on me, since i was scum together with hats in dark tournament. and thats not how i work @ xata. in the same way that i keep arguing with you instead of doing work. Oh give me a break with your meta references. I don't give a shit about meta analysis when your play this game is exactly what mafia in this situation would do. Telling me "oh it's my town meta" instead of actually showing me that you're town via your actions is incredibly mafia, actually. | ||
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You've never been mislynched before, yes? So if you're town, you'll probably do something that will make this abundantly obvious and then you won't get mislynched. Sound fair? | ||
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On March 20 2017 21:07 AMG wrote: If you've described something/someone as "weird" in this game, which several of you have, remove that shitty word from your vocabulary and actually explain WHAT about them is unusual. Pet peeve. Also shitty mafia buzzword because they're not creative enough to explain a feeling beyond "weird". Does anyone strike you as weird? For real though, you haven't found anything scummy in 20+ pages? I also second Koshi's request. You'd get a lot more done that way. | ||
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On March 20 2017 21:14 Damdred wrote: Hey bros, I still think disf is town sadly even if his posts were boring before at points. And hi amg What makes you think that? | ||
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On March 20 2017 21:23 Damdred wrote: Attitude, tone, somewhat caring about the Lynch d1. When under pressure going after a somewhat suicidal target in calix and going completely against thread sentiment with that. He also acted in a decent way to earn and tumble posts. Even though his posts have been kinda meh he has been extremely active, which is a weaker point tbh borderline non point here. I think he's the product of people looking for a super active mafia when mafia probably just didn't care eod1(conjecture.). Your only valid point here is that he immediately started gunning for me for shitty reasons and didn't really back down there. I can see some town motive there but I'd rather not give him ideas. The other stuff is NAI for him imo. Who do you think the third mafia is again? Because if it's not disformation then that's when I'm less certain. | ||
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On March 20 2017 21:35 Xatalos wrote: That's the problem.... everyone else has some reason to be town pretty much, leaving just Eden/disfo/AMG with high chances of being scum. And AMG hasn't really done anything yet so it's a big null. Humour me here. Let's say we lynch Eden, for example, and get a town flip. What would you do next? | ||
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I wasn't aware that you'd ever LOST interest in Rayn. Why would a town!Eden -> rayn is mafia fake-claiming? | ||
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On March 03 2017 19:52 beentheredonethat wrote:
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On March 20 2017 22:04 Koshi wrote: I know. But still odd that you go to town over mafia. Did you also not have doubts after seeing that post? I'd expect scum to just go along with the wagons. Only way that doesn't make sense for him is if he is scum with both of them. Which would work with my reads but it's a bit presumptuous to assume I have nailed all three scum by D2 without further information. | ||
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On March 20 2017 22:13 Xatalos wrote: That makes zero sense. VT would never fakeclaim here, especially if widely scumread. It would likely expose the blues and heavily damage town. It's official. You are the new disformation of this chat. Here is your prize! ![[image loading]](http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/992/401/e37.png) | ||
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On March 20 2017 22:17 Xatalos wrote: For the record: I don't believe the maker of the claim is necessarily blue. ??? | ||
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On March 20 2017 22:19 Koshi wrote: Yes. I said so.. It gave me a chill on my spine. Onegu/TW? Do you have any reason to think Onegu is mafia from what he's posted? | ||
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It's a massive waste of time on someone who is extremely likely town even though you think someone else claimed blue ??? You're not making any sense and it's just a bunch of crap. As for rayn, I'd still like the explanation for why those posts = mafia disformation. | ||
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On March 20 2017 22:29 Xatalos wrote: I guess I should let it slide for today already. It gets harder to resist every time rayn appears in the thread though. Legit question. When was the last time that you took your own initiative and scum-hunted? Yes, this question makes me a hypocrite but I don't care. Put a sock in it about how rayn's mafia in these implausible scenarios which are based on NOTHING and start talking about actual people, God. | ||
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On March 20 2017 22:32 Xatalos wrote: rayn would get offended if he's not even an actual person I carefully considered your suggestion that clogging up the chat with speculative claim wankery counts as 'scum-hunting' and then laughed and chucked it in the shredder. Do something else please instead of being glib about your current anti-town behaviour | ||
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On March 20 2017 22:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: It depends of if he is talking about the night kill or the pre-emptive daypost. If it's the former he is always mafia because he thought ritoky's case was super good and Eden is scummy so there should be no "wow why did mafia shoot ritoky????", never. I'm pretty sure he was talking about the kill because someone saying "wait what, didn't see that one coming O.o" about the resolution period while ignoring the kill doesn't make much sense. But I don't think it makes him 100% mafia since there were a lot of people, myself included, who thought ritoky's post was good and that Eden was scummy and were still surprised that ritoky died. | ||
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On March 20 2017 22:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: Calix, i want your opinion on this : Assume the following scenarios: 1) rayn = mafia, Eden = mafia 2) rayn = mafia, Eden = town Why does rayn kill ritoky? Why does rayn claim JK? Not the best person to ask since I don't like NKA that much and I'm not good at it but: 1. As part of some weird, TL-tier bussing strategy where you swoop in and take the cred for pushing ritoky's scum-read? 2. Framing? I don't consider these reasons to be particularly strong since I've never seen anyone kill a player to frame someone on this site. And I don't see why you, specifically, would kill ritoky since you scum-read him, he town-read you and mafia aren't usually fans of killing their scum-reads and reducing support for them in the thread. It doesn't necessarily 'clear' you by NKA standards alone since there are multiple mafia members left but I do not see why you would have chosen to kill ritoky. | ||
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On March 20 2017 23:09 Koshi wrote: If Damdred and Xatalos are mafia this game I failed horrible but I don't believe it. They are just lock towns for me. So I can still be mafia? I'm flattered, if not surprised | ||
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On March 20 2017 23:24 disformation wrote: bestest post i ever made. working on derdmad, the ethereal oak got that started before I saw the current ongoings, so will finish that before reading The only question it poses is, disformation, why are you such a dork? Also my internet is shit because I'm in the middle of a massive thunderstorm. | ||
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On March 20 2017 23:38 AMG wrote: He parks his vote on mal for being "suspect". Never elaborated on what that even meant. Does not even attempt to engage Mal in any questioning or conversation. Makes a case on why Eden might be better lynch, vote stays on mal, says he does not feel comfortable being on the same wagon as DR, yet never moved his vote off. Talks about how little resistance there is to mals lunch, does not get off it. Let's not kill this guy today. He is providing fresh points that do not suck and do not look like he's painting people as scum. This is good for town discussion. Even if he is mafia, his current actions are pro-town and he should be kept around for that reason. | ||
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On March 20 2017 23:54 Xatalos wrote: Hmm... you just finished accusing me of disrupting the flow too much? Much like you did with Skynx? I mean, you've agreed with a lot of stuff this game so I'd like to know. I also don't get why you're literally apologising for voting for someone else or why disformation's RP and being a nerd makes him town. | ||
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On March 21 2017 00:07 Xatalos wrote: Still not sure about disfo, but he's clearly trying to do things, and not in a way that directly makes himself look better (which would be the main scum motivation). Can't remember the Skynx reference anymore. In general I haven't played almost at all for the last two years or so? I'd say I'm most proactive as town when I'm the most active poster / "thread leader" regardless of alignment. When the thread is already progressing fine, I become more passive (see the PYP game - I mostly much followed thread sentiment with town rayn/Marv/Palmar leading the discussion). If things are going badly, I often un-lazy myself and push more aggressively. As scum... I'm pretty survival-focused, I think. Often even willing to bus to gain cred. And avoid attention as much as can be done. Take that as you will. That makes more sense re: disformation. And that's a yes then | ||
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On March 21 2017 01:45 Xatalos wrote: Tumble is bit of WTF as well. Feels more genuine and spontaneous with his WTFness though. With disfo it's more of a "crafted" WTFness... Tumble just feels like he says whatever he thought a second ago. The sudden RP wasn't a tip-off as to something being up? P: I mean, I'd like more elaboration here since you thought scumformation was townie at least partly for his weird RP a while back. What changed? | ||
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On March 21 2017 01:58 Xatalos wrote: Not sure I understand your question. My read on disfo didn't really change significantly after reading his filter. I just compared him to Tumble and Tumble's WTF antics felt more natural, so I'd put him a bit above disfo in towny rankings. Oh, I misunderstood you then. Not gonna lie, I largely have the reads that I do because everyone else looks ten times townier and I don't see any flaws in the current town reads that I have. This is partly why I'm being incredibly lazy because I don't see how half the players in the thread can be mafia this game and the other half of the game aren't prolific posters. Well, I remember thinking that DF could maybe possibly be mafia but I forget why. So I might filter him later just to be super-duper-double sure  But aside from that, I'm bored, don't feel like constantly arguing with people who I don't really scum-read 'just to be sure' and I probably won't do anything for a while unless my main suspects talk. So yeah, AFK time for now. | ||
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So as it stands, my vote is me being a hipster/ avoiding mod-kill because Eden is getting lynched anyway and I don't scum-read anyone harder so I don't care to stop that. As for DF, haven't read him yet. But I might do that in an hour or so, a bit busy atm. | ||
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On March 21 2017 04:52 Xatalos wrote: Maybe. There isn't anything super scummy about you. Just the general careful/hedging feel of many posts and POE. Seems like a common refrain today from most people, eh? On March 21 2017 04:57 disformation wrote: getting tired, so lazy mode until bed. sue me. =p Oh we will. My lawyer will be in touch. | ||
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Mate, if you thought that was a hedge, just look at his posts in the scum game he had with me. I remember it drove me nuts P: | ||
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@AMG, your town read on Tweedledumb is based on a quote by Eden. Eden being consistently AFK means we kinds of have to lynch him (potential mod kill + lack of consensus on other scum reads + less than 12 hours left = bad move that could result in WCS two townies dead). I have yet to see a decent case for lynching anyone else today, honestly. | ||
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On March 21 2017 17:28 disformation wrote: figures. no pc at work atm. hate playing from phone. basically i dont like how tw likes my d1, likes my d2. reads koshi, votes me based of (presumeably) koshi saying my n1 is boring. which completely ignores at least my d2. which he admits by saying "was boring". apart from the fact that i have 0 idea why he was randomly voting koshi in the first. Why are you playing so incredibly reactive? Your OMGUS has been unrivalled this game. | ||
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Trying to filter dive on phone is so annoying. Read AMG. Basically a massive hipster. Black sheep. Has new points for chat. Expresses paranoia over wagons. However I don't see a real/sustained effort to move the wagon away from Eden (which I read as scummy). Not even voting. Tone slightly off on Damdred interactions like he's talking down to Damdred. Don't know why he dislikes Xatalos (is he sheepish Rayn's reasoning?). That's all I can remember. | ||
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- His Calix/ DD theory didn't make a lick of sense. Just because I scum read him one time as mafia doesn't mean I'll do that every time we're TvS. - Didn't like his DFvDD talk since he did avoid the main question and flipped it back onto DD - Lots and lots of suspicion being thrown around. Extra points for being a sarcastic fucker while doing so - Doesn't dig into posts as much as he could do. - Constant references to AFK people for no real reason. Koshi said this first, pretty sure - That giant Koshi post had enough defensiveness to smother a city. More flipping it back onto Koshi. Usually this would be townie but it doesn't feel that way from a skim for some reason. - And what I am trying to get at there is that he's weirdly defiant and aggressive. Dunno if town or scum making some kind of play. Concluding null for now until I can pull up quotes and compare and tally up what DF has really done so far. Also I think that's enough productivity for me | ||
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Possibly tone. But that is kind of lame. Especially when I have only played with him once before. He's been under focused too. Dork here asked why that was mafia earlier when I accused him and it's because Dork/ Onegu are easy targets for mafia if they are town yet this is not really happening? Not so applicable to Dork now as he has three votes. | ||
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On March 22 2017 00:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why did you think i am mafia for his fucking shit-tier case? Saying "you made a good point" =/= "I think rayn is mafia" Please read and stop clogging up the fucking chat. I can't wait for you to get shanked N2 so I don't have to waste my time skimming over pages and pages and PAGES of pointless bickering -_- | ||
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On March 22 2017 00:19 Koshi wrote: Eeuhm. At least rayn is shitfighting against his scumread who is not being lynched at all by town. So it is completely warranted. FYI you and your buddy UN are way worse. You fill pages for nothing. Pls don't act so high and mighty We're not buddies. He's a fucking creep, of course I don't like him. I don't know whether Xatalos is 100% town because while there are good points against him, he's a lot different from when I was scum with him. | ||
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On March 22 2017 00:23 Koshi wrote: I don't understand this comment. You see 3 people (rayn, AGM, Koshi) starting to want to vote Xatalos. And you come in with that shit. Why? Because it's pissing me off. | ||
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On March 22 2017 00:27 Koshi wrote: Are the points rayn makes not applicable to scum Xatalos? Why? He seems more stubborn and isn't hedging the shit out of everything he says. Like maybe I am biased because I knew he was mafia then but I am pretty sure his typing style is different this game. Meaning town. rayn keeps saying he isn't like his town games but that's not the same as saying they're like his scum games. This is extremely meta-based for a town read. I don't know if rayn made this point but because of that, his agreeability and going with whatever pinged me so that was why I was a bit suspicious of Xatalos, when I argued with him, but eh. | ||
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Literally have been incredibly townie the entire game and you scum-read me for the dumbest shit that doesn't show mafia agenda in the slightest. Bad bad bad bad bad. | ||
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Boo hoo hoo your scum read is shit. Keep crying but it is never going to result in my lynch in any world. Ignored. | ||
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On March 22 2017 00:16 Koshi wrote: Shows guilt Not sure if I like this read on Foley. Too generic. Should actually check if his reads really line up with those of darth. So much bad in this sentence. 1) Soft defense on Eden for no reason. 2) And who says "I considered scumreading Calix due to this case, it doesn't matter if the case is wrong"? He doesn't say it like that. But he acknowledges the fact it could very well be wrong. 3) So twice he hides behind Eden case to scumread Calix.... Feels like what he did to me and rayn. When confronted by Calix he is very apologetic. While he should try to figure out if the case is either correct or false.Xatalos, why feul the Eden case and incriminate Calix but then don't do anything yourself when Calix confronts you? This? I do not know how I missed it the first time -.- I agree that point 1 is weird because him being a top town of Eden's should not affect his liking the case. That stood out to me too but I am biased because it was a case against me. I do not think point 2 is meaningful. I also agree on point 3 that he is hiding behind me. He town read Tweedledumb because I really believed Tweedledumb is town. Which was weird and I did not like it. And obviously I agree on the last part as I tried talking on that already. So yes, I see your thought process and it is decent as a case. And I will try to filter Xatalos with this in mind. I still think he's town for meta. But maybe I am giving him too much slack by doing that. So I will try to ignore that. I am trying to fix my computer so if I succeed then I will read his filter then. | ||
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Anyway, DF has upgraded dramatically in my eyes. That's because when I was catching up, I had almost the exact same thoughts as he did. On March 22 2017 02:04 darthfoley wrote: Btw I still think Eden is the lynch today. I voted for disformation for CW and discussion purposes but i'm more comfortable with Eden dying than Xatalos, especially because I don't think there's been a slam dunk case for Eden's townieness yet now the winds seem to be shifting off of him even though he's done absolutely nothing. Yea there may be question marks about Xata or whatever, but if Eden is scum and his scum mates get the obvious lynch off of him without him having posted, I will eat my own ass in frustration after this game. On March 22 2017 02:08 darthfoley wrote: This is why I am uncomfortable lynching Xata for the time being. He seems to be the only one seriously considering THIS specifical scenario in which rayn can't be CC'd. Is it likely? Not really, but the fact that he's arguing it is townie IMO. Like why throw this much shade towards a blue, if you're scum!Xata?????? What is the end goal Even when he's becoming the counter-wagon, he's still harping on about rayn. I feel like scum would have stopped trying to fight with the uncounterclaimed TPR. You might go "oh he's shitting up the thread" but I don't get that vibe since he kept on at it even after he started getting flak for it. And even does it after admitting that it's a dumb idea. Since all he has accomplished by doing so is looking horrible/ drawing a tonne of attention from the UNCOUNTERCLAIMED TPR WHO IS NEVER GETTING LYNCHED TODAY/ inflating the thread, it seems like a suicidal move for scum. Also I didn't have this thought while catching up but it's still a decent post IMO. + Show Spoiler + On March 22 2017 02:18 darthfoley wrote: No, I think it's quite clear ritoky's kill gives us very little information, especially at the time I made the post. It leaves all the strong vocal town in the game, for the paranoia factor, it kills the kinda wildcard player. Which is E X A C T L Y why everyone in the thread at the time was like lolwtf when the ritoky kill happened. We'll obviously see more when more flips happen. This whole day has kind of gone in waves against various people. First, disformation, then me kinda, then Xatalos. It almost feels to me like scum are trying to mud sling, see what sticks, somehow helping Eden survive one more day. Even one day extra of scum!Eden surviving could be important later in the game. The fact that he has checked out of this game also feels indicative of scum to me. I just don't know in what world we let Eden slide out of being lynched based off of one AMG "i'm paranoid post." Well now i'm paranoid that we're talking ourselves out of an obvious lynch Anyway this. ##vote Eden1892 | ||
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On March 22 2017 02:53 Xatalos wrote: This is a pretty weak conclusion after having all D2 to figure things out :/ Looking at his filter, he seemed to have progressed from scum to "liking Koshi's points" to scum again based on this: On March 21 2017 23:28 AMG wrote: Post 369 Just feels.... off. He thinks you're showing forced/fake agression, calls all your cases unconvincing and weak, and finishes it off with "At first I was half-convinced rayn was scum, but now I'm not sure again. If someone I was "half-convinced" was scum started pulling that crap in my eyes, id probably find myself more convinced they're scum. Your thoughts? | ||
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Have you seen how a Xatalos/ Calix scum team actually plays? Hint: It's not hardcore town-reading each other for the entire game because neither of us are that ballsy. #WIFOM | ||
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On March 22 2017 03:28 Xatalos wrote: Calix was also pretty fast to lose hope from what I remember. Here she seems to persevering through anything instead. Unless the scumteam is something crazy like Calix/Damdred/Koshi (lol), I don't see how she would be so motivated. If I'm right to any extent, the scumteam is already screwed soon. This is true but to be fair, you're probably not going to see me concede ever again...just because having two concedes on my scum record speaks incredibly poorly of my play and I have a bit more pride than that | ||
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On March 22 2017 04:05 Tumblewood wrote: rayn and xata I get that you wanna shit on each other but can u please tone it down I think it's karmic justice for all the times NU and I have flamed each other. I can now relate to the observers ;-; | ||
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You didn't care so much that you responded to an obvious joke to tell me you didn't care | ||
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On March 22 2017 04:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: Xatalos. If you are town then tell me and we try to murder calix for her bs read. Look at it. I am not mafia. Do fucking smth if youre town. Your sudden aversion to lynching Eden...even though you said that "if Eden is mafia then Calix is always mafia" is extremely odd. Did you ever explain why you started town-reading Eden? | ||
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All I did was ask you a question. Being blindly stubborn isn't going to help your cause. | ||
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Your point? And if you say "you contradicted yourself" then I'm going to laugh. | ||
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lol wtf So you just thought leaving two quotes with no explanation and letting people read what they want into it was fine and dandy? And you conveniently do this when rayn has tunnel-visioned me, thus giving him ammunition to keep tunneling me for shitty reasons? Yeah no, I don't buy that. | ||
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On March 22 2017 04:40 disformation wrote: i dont care if you buy anything or not. i do what i want to. My point about you trying to fuel the flames of rayn's tunneling still applies, 'defiance' or not. You were quite clearly intending those quotes to portray me in a scummy light. | ||
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On March 22 2017 04:43 disformation wrote: why do i have the feeling it wont matter what i say to this? Why do I have the feeling that you're bullshitting right now? Like, you're trying to tell me that you literally just popped in the thread JUST to tell everyone that I contradicted myself? As if that actually means anything. Especially when you said earlier that my use of meta was suspicious because I said I don't like using meta. So yeah, I think you're lying | ||
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What I want to say is... You said earlier that my use of meta was suspicious because I dislike meta. You then post two quotes of me contradicting myself about meta. You are now trying to say that you WEREN'T intending that as a scum point against me. ??? | ||
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On March 22 2017 04:48 disformation wrote: does my post say "lol scum"? sry i didnt post a at the endSee my earlier point about stirring the pot, you sarcastic fuck you. | ||
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On March 22 2017 04:54 disformation wrote: dunno. aight lets do something else: can you explain why xata is town without meta? also: Did you go filter him yet? (i know his fucking filter is yuge, but like skim it) do you think my points on eden -> xata are better than koshis xata -> eden? as in: Yes, I've already explained on multiple occasions why Xatalos is town WITHOUT using meta. If you want me to quote then I can but I really cannot be fucked. And you could probably find them when you look at me I've only really used meta as of late since he is, you know, a wagon and shit and having previous experience with him as a scum team mate is relevant.And no, I didn't filter him in the end because when I caught up with the thread, I figured his reaction was townie and didn't see the point. I don't know what points you refer to. Do you mean 'Eden spewed Xat town' thing? If so, the answer is no. It's a bit weird because the points against Xatalos make sense...but I don't think he's mafia anyway. I don't know how to describe it. 'Gut feeling' or maybe meta is influencing me more than I think it is or whatever, idk. (also I don't like the sudden push away from Eden and onto Xatalos, as DF noted) | ||
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On March 22 2017 05:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: Since you and Calix have pointed it out how i townread Eden then you and Calix can fucking show me where i say so? Okay, let me put it this way. If you don't town-read Eden, then I'll make the WILD assumption that you scum-read him. Given your current reads, this means you think the scum-team is Eden/ Calix/ Xatalos. 2/3 of your scum-reads are the leading wagons. Have I made any mistakes here? If I have not, I don't get why you're yelling so hard to lynch Xatalos when you think Eden is mafia. Or why you suddenly give a shit now when 2/3 of your scum-reads were the leading wagons yesterday and you didn't give a shit there. | ||
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On March 22 2017 05:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: because i want to lynch xatalos. i couldn't give any fucks which one of malongo or damdred was lynched. if you have noticed anything my take on this game has notably changed after Adam joined. I want to lynch Xatalos. Then i want to lynch you. You are both mafia, fuck you and try me. You could have said "I don't have a good answer to your question" instead of "lol I want to lynch Xatalos first". It would have been less embarrassing for you. And I don't fancy fucking you when I might catch something | ||
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As said before, this isn't MS and your weird posting isn't going to do anything. | ||
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On March 22 2017 05:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: so you can go back to your fucking retarded MS or whatever if you want to but never call me some fucking scrub who cant play mafia, because you will never win. Sure thing, scrub. | ||
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On March 22 2017 05:57 Tumblewood wrote: obv town: calix amg rayn probable town: df koshi ??? onegu eden ... xata damdred disfo Question. If Xatalos is that low down, then why not vote for him when he's more likely to be lynched? disformation is clearly not dying today is my point. And reasoning for Damdred? (have only skimmed your filter so may have missed this) | ||
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On March 22 2017 06:27 Xatalos wrote: Well if rayn is telling the truth, there should be a Cop since there was no Vig shot. That means the game is practically won. If the Cop has any idea what he's doing. If rayn is lying, then who knows. At least he'll be caught eventually. So should the Cop claim tomorrow if they have two decent checks then? | ||
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On March 22 2017 06:31 Xatalos wrote: At least if he's a suspect and has good checks then probably. That would help a lot. If he's townread and the checks aren't that helpful, then probably not. In any case I don't think the right play is to claim right as day starts. Better wait until some things happen first and scum moves are in the open to crush them. I'm just worried that Cop gets shot without making their check clear if they are really townie. But I guess I'll leave it up to them and assume they're not stupid P: | ||
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But I kinda doubt it. | ||
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On March 22 2017 07:05 Xatalos wrote: By the way, in that case, which of my pushers do you think were scum? This is something that requires me to look back. Remind me to give a shit about that build-up on you tomorrow. From votes, Tweedledumb just sitting on disformation when he could have plausibly voted for Xatalos is quite interesting. Adam looks 'obviously terrible' if you get my drift since he defended Eden a lot. However, that doesn't necessarily mean he's mafia as the 'paranoid townie' theory holds. Koshi's read progression on you may warrant further investigation. Nobody else's votes stand out to me right now. | ||
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It's entirely possible that the scum thought "eh, Eden's a lost cause, let's just vote and cut our losses" and that the Xatalos wagon is pure, actually. | ||
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- Lots and lots of wankery over how scummy I am. - Asking disformation about why he 'took his Doctor claim at face value' which didn't really go anyway - The 'disfo is totes town because mafia Calix spewed him that' post - A wishy-washy 'read' on Damdred Damdred has said a lot without a lot jumping out at me one way or another. I don't recall having this much difficulty discerning any feeling about his alignment when he's one of the more active posters in the thread before. Not really sure what to make of it yet, and to be fair to him, my relative disconnectedness from this game compared to past ones on here is probably to blame. As for Damdred, I didn't say that I don't think he's mafia, just that he didn't make an impression one way or another. I'm still not really prepared to say that he isn't, either. Just seems like he's said a lot of words and made a lot of posts, but very little has made a strong impression either way. I'll go and reread his filter and try to develop a more crystallized opinion of him for you though, since that's your wagon for today and I trust your motivations. - An absurd amount of time spent on explaining why rayn is town because of meta That's about it, really. | ||
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Mafia usually aren't in the business of copying each other's reads/ reasoning that blatantly. | ||
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Someone point out if there are any holes in this theory of mine. | ||
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On March 22 2017 20:43 Koshi wrote: It comes down to: Onegu is cancer. Darthfoley has a good D2 filter. He stopped dirt shoveling. Had maybe 2 posts in which he was too sure Eden was mafia. Also was maybe dirt shoveling in the first post. AMG is not solving the game and is putting paranoia in the thread. How do those DF quotes show mafia motivations precisely? I do not see a gap between his read and his read confidence in those posts. | ||
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On March 22 2017 21:20 Xatalos wrote: Would really like an explanation from him. It's an interesting idea though. Maybe he was hoping to be cleared by Cop and got over-excited and misunderstood because of that? It's the scummiest thing he's done since his focus was on 'confirming' himself and not on the actual events going on in the thread or on finding mafia (since his ritoky/ rayn theory was debunked big-time and all he did was 'sheep' his town-reads onto Eden). On March 22 2017 21:19 Xatalos wrote: AMG didn't hard deflect away from Eden, but close enough. Enough to say that in hindsight his D2 play was probably the most scum-favoring. I mean he did kind of try to get the lynch anywhere else if possible, but didn't hard push on his own. Latched onto my wagon very easily though. AMG defending Eden so much isn't necessarily scum-indicative but the fact that he's yet to do any real scum-hunting in the 40-odd hours he's been in the game is concerning. | ||
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On March 23 2017 06:20 disformation wrote: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/cpylIt1.gif) lurking intensifies. | ||
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Mafia always gets their arses nerfed. They need all the help they can get LOL. | ||
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On April 03 2017 06:14 disformation wrote: yeah we were like "huh, why are they hating our actions this much" though rayn did us a number like d4? so maybe should have shot him over calix after all. I don't think it would have made a massive difference. I would have slayed y'all harder than Buffy | ||
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On April 03 2017 06:21 disformation wrote: was acutally sad that i just couldnt omgus at you next day phase xD Guess you'll have to postpone that until we're TvS again, scumformation. Nice playing with you, lovie KoshiPerson was signed in when posted 03-17-2017 05:27 AM ET (US) Also try to bite back every time Calix bites, don't just defend. Defend and attack. If you can't shift focus to somewhere else. Also I fucking knew that something was up when Koshi didn't say this right away in the thread re: you. I remember bringing it up like three times before he said anything. I need to listen to my gut reads more often. But I won't sweat it. I think my reads this game were pretty sick anyway. Not often that people are scared of my reads these days | ||
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On April 03 2017 06:40 AMG wrote: Haaa you guys seriously want to play with me again after that game! I subbed in, called both scum townies, bumbled around for 2 cycles, got lampooned by the scum, then shot. This game was a rollercoaster for me, highs and lows Hey now, a variety in accuracy is the spice of mafia. Or something. If you think people hate playing with those who have bad reads, look no further than Koshi and I. | ||
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On April 03 2017 06:50 Xatalos wrote: Lol wat??? :D KoshiPerson was signed in when posted 03-31-2017 07:24 AM ET (US) Yeah but for some reason we thought it was also more likely Calix was blue over rayn. Not sure why. I think it was POE from what I read in the scum chat. They had it narrowed down to DF/ AMG/ Calix and since I'm so amazing, they shot me because I was onto them, because I was a town leader AND because they thought I could be the Cop. I'm totally not smug | ||
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On April 03 2017 06:58 Damdred wrote: We really should of stuck with that especially after Eden calls him shit for it then hard defense him. Day 1 was amazing, lol. Imagine if scumformation had actually been lynched over that. | ||
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On April 03 2017 07:04 disformation wrote: pfffff i am not that easy to lynch =p I can second that. Despite doing absolutely nothing, you managed to be the last man standing and STILL had people town-reading you/ doubting that you were mafia. A survivor you are. <3 | ||
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